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staffpro said:
how many people on here also applied to waterloo?

I didn't. I hope i don't regret that decision.
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I am sure many applied to both U of T and Waterloo. But there are also people who solely applied of U of T, and the same is true for Waterloo. I hope the small pool of applicants combind with people applying to multiple Pharmacy schools will make it easier for all of us to get in!
 
I applied to both as well. Waterloo's results come out on the 15th of June, less than 5 weeks away!!! When do U of T's come out again?
 
butoias said:
I applied to both as well. Waterloo's results come out on the 15th of June, less than 5 weeks away!!! When do U of T's come out again?
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Waterloo: June 15
UofT : June 24

Hopefully both schools will deliver the news on the promised dates 😉
 
I just wanted to wish everyone the best of luck on their may interviews (myself included 😛), hopefully all of us will come out smiling 😀 lol
 
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looks like ill have to pull the weight and get **** faced for all of you guys haha. good luck everyone
 
Good luck to Pharmacist1, Reason, and all you guys with May interviews!! 😀

Mine is on Sunday, I think I'm just going to go in there well-rested, fresh, and with a smile on my face. I've come to the conclusion that there's no sense in preparing for it: if you've got it, you've got it!
 
masterfunk said:
Yeah preparing doesn't make a significant* difference anyway. http://www.mja.com.au/public/issues/189_05_010908/gri10324_fm.html

For the interview, what is a complete checklist of what I need to bring?

I have:
MMI Candidate Confirmation
Confidentiality Agreement
2 Pieces of ID (one photo ID)
Consent Letter

Am I missing anything?
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I don't believe you need the consent letter or the confidentiality agreement; you just need the IDs and the mmi invitation which states your session. The other stuff, I believe, they will give to you to sign when you get there.
 
Good luck to all of you who have your interviews during this weekend 😀 Don't be nervous because the interview process is actually kinda fun, so make sure you enjoy your time at UofT !!!
 
I'm going to have my MMI today (sat) at 9am. I've been reading through the forums and I really appreciate the encouraging words and tips from some of you SDNers! It's made me feel a little better about the interview tomorrow 🙂

But still keep a little bit of necessary stress, if you go in all relaxed and thinking it'll be a fun ol' time, you're more likely to stress out during the interviews... (i'm speaking from experience, did an MMI for another program).

All the best to everyone who has interviews this weekend!
 
Can anyone explain what the deal is with the PharmD program changes? I didn't really understand what they meant by it when they were explaining it.

Thanks =)
 
butoias said:
Can anyone explain what the deal is with the PharmD program changes? I didn't really understand what they meant by it when they were explaining it.

Thanks =)
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In a nutshell, they want to be more on par with the US schools which have made the transition to PharmD years ago. In order to do this, they need to met certain criteria with regards to the curriculum, so this is why they are changing the curriculum. Now, they shifted all the "general" science courses (e.g. orgo, biochem, stats, etc) to pre-pharm years which leaves more room for actual core pharmacy courses in the pharmacy program, also this allows for more time spent on "experimental" training.


If you wanna learn more about this transition and the purpose of it, I strongly recommend you read UofT's proposal for transition of PharmD... I posted the link below.

www.governingcouncil.utoronto.ca/AssetFactory.aspx?did=5194



p.s. how did you guys, who had the interview today, find the experience?
 
helloeveryone said:
In a nutshell, they want to be more on par with the US schools which have made the transition to PharmD years ago. In order to do this, they need to met certain criteria with regards to the curriculum, so this is why they are changing the curriculum. Now, they shifted all the "general" science courses (e.g. orgo, biochem, stats, etc) to pre-pharm years which leaves more room for actual core pharmacy courses in the pharmacy program, also this allows for more time spent on "experimental" training.


If you wanna learn more about this transition and the purpose of it, I strongly recommend you read UofT's proposal for transition of PharmD... I posted the link below.

www.governingcouncil.utoronto.ca/AssetFactory.aspx?did=5194



p.s. how did you guys, who had the interview today, find the experience?
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Thanks a lot =)

I was also wondering (for those who have an idea or opinion):
1) Do the extra 20-30 applicants who get an offer (260-270 for 240 spots) get "conditional offers", because what if, hypothetically, no one rejects their offer?
2) Do you guys think that high PCAT scores of 80s and 90s will matter now that we are (almost😛) passed the interview stage? Or will admissions look only at interview and GPA for all applicants with above minimum PCAT scores
3) I've read some previous posts and some people say that admissions set a minimum MMI score that must have in order to not get rejected; is this score a COMBINED score of the 10 stations, or an INDIVIDUAL score (for ex, min score of 3/10 at EACH station)

PS: Good luck to those with Sunday interviews, we're almost done!!!!
 
butoias said:
Thanks a lot =)

I was also wondering (for those who have an idea or opinion):
1) Do the extra 20-30 applicants who get an offer (260-270 for 240 spots) get "conditional offers", because what if, hypothetically, no one rejects their offer?
2) Do you guys think that high PCAT scores of 80s and 90s will matter now that we are (almost😛) passed the interview stage? Or will admissions look only at interview and GPA for all applicants with above minimum PCAT scores
3) I've read some previous posts and some people say that admissions set a minimum MMI score that must have in order to not get rejected; is this score a COMBINED score of the 10 stations, or an INDIVIDUAL score (for ex, min score of 3/10 at EACH station)

PS: Good luck to those with Sunday interviews, we're almost done!!!!
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It's most likely a combination of all three with a greater emphasis on the interview, not the GPA. The reason i say this is there were a few people last year that got in with a low gpa, ok pcat so most likely their interview was amazing.
 
helloeveryone said:
p.s. how did you guys, who had the interview today, find the experience?
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I just finished mine a couple of hours ago; I really liked the idea of having first year students in there 😀 As for the interview itself, I have no idea how it went, some questions were really ambiguous; I think i did good on about 6 stations but then again I'm not sure how they are marking it. I just hope I did good enough to get in because I've been really sick with the stomach flu since friday and I was very close to just canceling my interview today!
EIther way, good luck to those applicants having their interview tomorrow and for the rest of us, we just gotta wait for June 24 🙂
 
I had my UofT MMI yesterday and I really enjoyed it 🙂 The UofT Pharm students did such a great job at welcoming all of us and the MMI process was really organized. We have all worked so hard to get this far...we maintained our GPAs, wrote the PCAT and I really hope that the MMI was a rewarding experience for each and everyone of you!

I certainly have to admit that the final decision date is too too far away and I wonder how we'll make time fly. I know it's hard not to think about the "final decision" because our career depends on it...but I would suggest you all to relax and enjoy the sunshine before it lasts 😀
 
Hey guys,

An update for me, 🙁. I just finished my U of T MMI, and I thought it went terrible. lol. I know that I tanked at least 3 of the stations. Good luck to the rest of you, you guys deserve it.

The positive points? The building was beautiful, the pharmacy students were very accommodating as were the staff. I have a feeling that I'm just not good at being put on the spot. And I know that as a pharmacist, you should be. That is why I feel so horrible because I can't imagine doing anything else but pharmacy.
 
PhArMaCiSt1 said:
I just finished mine a couple of hours ago; I really liked the idea of having first year students in there 😀 As for the interview itself, I have no idea how it went, some questions were really ambiguous; I think i did good on about 6 stations but then again I'm not sure how they are marking it. I just hope I did good enough to get in because I've been really sick with the stomach flu since friday and I was very close to just canceling my interview today!
EIther way, good luck to those applicants having their interview tomorrow and for the rest of us, we just gotta wait for June 24 🙂
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I'm sure you did really well 😉 And it's kinda ironic because I had the EXACT same problem as you, I had a really bad stomach flu and I did end up in hospital just before my interview.

p.s. how did the interview process this year compared to last year's interview (as I recall you had an interview last year too, right?) ?

lulz said:
Hey guys,

An update for me, 🙁. I just finished my U of T MMI, and I thought it went terrible. lol. I know that I tanked at least 3 of the stations. Good luck to the rest of you, you guys deserve it.

The positive points? The building was beautiful, the pharmacy students were very accommodating as were the staff. I have a feeling that I'm just not good at being put on the spot. And I know that as a pharmacist, you should be. That is why I feel so horrible because I can't imagine doing anything else but pharmacy.
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Sorry to hear that, but you never know maybe you did much better than you think you did 😉 Never lose determination and hope...

BTW, did they talk about the PharmD transition at all? Are they still waiting for "government's approval?"
 
Had mine today!

Wasn't as bad as I expected, but that being said I don't think I did well.

I was really nervous before and during my first interview I could feel my face going red cause I was nervous. And after that I pretty much lost all nerves and just did it. Time goes surprisingly fast.

It wasn't a horrible as I expected, parts were even fun.

Everyone was really nice.
 
I'd like to add my points here, everyone. I've finished my interview a couple of hours ago. Even though when I got used to it I didn't go as nervous as the beginning, this whole process was NOT fun. It involved a whole bunch of mental work, like an exam. I had to be constantly thinking about the issues concerned and had to continuously come up with points in order to keep my answers going. It was a whole lot of mental drain! I'd need a good rest before my brain could function again.
 
What matters is that we all tried our best! And remember, most people are not able to answer questions to the best of their ability when put on the spot. None of us are perfect - we are all humans and its okay to make mistakes. If you had trouble on particular stations, then other people must have had trouble there too so don't worry...just take a deep breath and hope for the best! 🙂 👍
 
It's weird, it seems like people who had their interviews this weekend had a poorer experience compared to those of us who did it in March. But guys, don't stress it too much, just think about the fact that it's ALL FINISHED 🙂

Anyways, I sincerely hope that all you guys did great, and it's now time to enjoy the summer 😉
 
Yeah, it was sooo awkward when I finished before the 7 min mark. I talked about the weather in 2 of the stations LOL.
 
Hey all,

I felt that the MMI scenarios were pretty good, all but one station which I thought was really RANDOM.

I was worried about the awkward pauses, so I think I rambled a bit and made sure that didn't happen LOL.

The whole experience wasn't as bad as I thought! and there's no way of really preparing for it, just maybe in how you structure your answers.

and the wait begins...
 
Okay this is totally jumping the gun cause more likely than not I won't even have to worry about it.

But say I do get in, I'm from out of province and would wanna live on rez, is there gonna be anything available my the end of june?

Cause there wouldn't be for my school.
 
Thought I'll contribute to this thread:
Just had my MMI today at 2pm. Wasn't bad at all, rather enjoyed it 😀 Hopefully, others did well and now we wait 😛 Hopefully, I'm able to get my marks in on time though XD
 
working to pass the time...not looking forward for June 24 cuz I got raped by MMI again 🙁
 
chances of first-hand admission: 270 / 470 = 57.4%

chances of admission + waiting list: 270 + 100 / 470 = 78.7%

chances of rejection: 100 / 470 = 21.3%

considering those stats and compared with previous years, I think the prospects are not bad. But, you never know.
 
Fly to the Sky said:
chances of first-hand admission: 270 / 470 = 57.4%

chances of admission + waiting list: 270 + 100 / 470 = 78.7%

chances of rejection: 100 / 470 = 21.3%

considering those stats and compared with previous years, I think the prospects are not bad. But, you never know.
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Chances of getting in are higher than last year, that's for sure 👍

KingOfDoctors said:
working to pass the time...not looking forward for June 24 cuz I got raped by MMI again 🙁
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That doesn't sound great. I second finding out what happened!

staffpro said:
so what you people doing to pass the time?
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Between work, other duties and SCII, I'm sure I can occupy my time 😛

1ive2die said:
Just to keep you guys laughing while you're waiting I found this funny video on youtube. I think all us pre-pharms will enjoy it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_WgTqfLnf4
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Thanks for video 🙂
 
helloeveryone said:
I'm sure you did really well 😉 And it's kinda ironic because I had the EXACT same problem as you, I had a really bad stomach flu and I did end up in hospital just before my interview.

p.s. how did the interview process this year compared to last year's interview (as I recall you had an interview last year too, right?) ?
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I really hope I did better than I thought because I was really sick and when I'm sick my brain just can't function. At least I have an excuse for screwing up the mmi's this year 😛 As for the interview process, it was pretty much the same as last year except the lady that gave the orientation was different and the interviewers and other people there to guide you through it were friendlier. Also, having first year pharm students in the lobby was new too.
I asked the pharm students about pharmD and they said they are still waiting for gov't approval and when it does go through, our degree will automatically be changed to a pharmD 😀
 
Fly to the Sky said:
chances of first-hand admission: 270 / 470 = 57.4%

chances of admission + waiting list: 270 + 100 / 470 = 78.7%

chances of rejection: 100 / 470 = 21.3%

considering those stats and compared with previous years, I think the prospects are not bad. But, you never know.
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I believe they gave out 480 interviews so the chance of admission is a bit less. Also, you have to keep in mind that only 20 people or less on the waiting list are granted admission so unless you are in at the top of the list, your chances will be very low. Overall, despite the smaller applicant pool this year, I believe the chances of admission remain the same because they still gave out 480 interviews and I believe it makes up a huge chunk when giving out offers.
 
I don't think it's fair to assess someone's non-cognitive abilities based on a few minutes of talking about a random topic. Considering your assessment of academic ability is based on multiple years of university and the PCAT, it really doesn't make sense.

Almost all other universities take many things into consideration besides grades and UofT should too.

I think the MMI is a valuable tool, but you're basically spinning a roulette wheel if its the sole assessment of your non-cognitive abilities.

(PS, i think they should admit me because of my years of pharmacy experience...)
 
Hey guys, I just had a question with regards to transcripts...

I went to my school today (Western) to order the transcripts... they told me that they need to wait for grades to be finalized by the faculty which can take up to July... but UofT's deadline is June 10 for transcripts 😱😱😱

So does anyone have/had the same problem? Any words of advise?
 
Fly to the Sky said:
chances of first-hand admission: 270 / 470 = 57.4%

chances of admission + waiting list: 270 + 100 / 470 = 78.7%

chances of rejection: 100 / 470 = 21.3%

considering those stats and compared with previous years, I think the prospects are not bad. But, you never know.
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More like...
Chances of admission:240/470=51.1% (assuming they only interviewed 470)
odds of waitlist: 30/470= 6.4% (I'm assuming they wont waitlist more than 30)
Thus 57.5% odds of waitlist+admission.
Which is still a coin flip for our future. And if you are an OOP (which I am) the odds go down drastically 😡👎 . But I hope we all get good news :xf:!!
 
helloeveryone said:
Hey guys, I just had a question with regards to transcripts...

I went to my school today (Western) to order the transcripts... they told me that they need to wait for grades to be finalized by the faculty which can take up to July... but UofT's deadline is June 10 for transcripts 😱😱😱

So does anyone have/had the same problem? Any words of advise?
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I doubt that it will take that long, i think last year it took up to the end of May. However saying that, if it isn't finalized by then I think that you have to inform them in writing that you have trouble obtaining your transcript which is what I'm going to do xD
 
Fightorflight said:
I don't think it's fair to assess someone's non-cognitive abilities based on a few minutes of talking about a random topic. Considering your assessment of academic ability is based on multiple years of university and the PCAT, it really doesn't make sense.

Almost all other universities take many things into consideration besides grades and UofT should too.

I think the MMI is a valuable tool, but you're basically spinning a roulette wheel if its the sole assessment of your non-cognitive abilities.

(PS, i think they should admit me because of my years of pharmacy experience...)
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Agreed...One guy I met during interview suggested that UofT should just like put each candidate in a pharmacy setting for about half a day and observe their behavior instead of asking bs questions that we will NEVER encounter

...sigh 2 years of pharmacy experiences useless during interview...very frustrating
 
Well I don't really think for the MMI they asses exactly what your opinions on a particular scenario are. I think what they're looking for is just HOW you look at complex situations and how you would approach those situations to get a feel for the type of person you are. And also, how comfortable you are being put on the spot (because as a pharmacist you can be asked a whole range of questions) and how well you communicate those answers =)

But I agree that they should also take into consideration extracurriculars, volunteer work etc.
 
KingOfDoctors said:
Agreed...One guy I met during interview suggested that UofT should just like put each candidate in a pharmacy setting for about half a day and observe their behavior instead of asking bs questions that we will NEVER encounter

...sigh 2 years of pharmacy experiences useless during interview...very frustrating
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I'm going to express my opinion which you may not agree with.

I think the MMI is great, it assesses your "soft skills" in 10 different settings (stations).

Pharmacy as of right now is a changing field. We do not know if the setting you see right now at your local pharmacy will be the setting 10 years from now. Thus MMI gives you a nice rounded picture of a person. And 7 minutes is MORE than enough if you are logical, concise, and don't go off on tangents. If you can get a good, interesting, logical point/opinion across in that amount of time you are golden. After all, how long is the average pharmacist/patient interaction these days??

Also, another reason I think MMI is great is because, the person at the station in 7 minutes can see if you have some kind of passion. When someone speaks of something logically, with reason, with an argumentative flow as well as a nice flare of true compassion it really shows.

I don't think placing people in a pharmacist setting for half a day is a good idea at all because... enless you have worked at a pharmacy you wouldn't know what to do at all. And even if you have, whats to say you've been doing your job properly (as a tech your not giving advice or anything like that anyway).

What i'm trying to say is pharmacy needs different people. The reason there is a negative stigma associated with pharmacist is that they are simply pill dispensers. And some pharmacists are, i know my local one is, hands you your **** and off you go. No willingness to even establish any kind of patient trust/connection.

If people like that continue to be admitted, this profession is dead.

That is why I think MMI is fair, efficient, and certainly a 1000x EASIER than a 45min-1hr interview with 2-3 people which I have done for a major bank and it was stressful, hard, and your on the spot for 45min-1hr.

anyways, i rest my case, good luck to all.
 
the presenter told us at the presentation before the interview that the mmi's were weighed 20% last year...i wonder if thats true because the 1T4's feel that the interviews were weighed the most.
 
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I wanted to note that I never said the MMI was a poor tool. I actually prefer it to the traditional interview. I just said I think it makes sense to factor in other things as well. I think that somebody who has many years of pharmacy experience has a better understanding of the profession than somebody who has no idea what a pharmacist even does! Yes, UofT admits people like that, and that's scary!

I spent a lot of time focusing on my pharmacy related extra-curriculars and it's just dumb that UofT doesn't factor them into my admission. I did it for myself anyway, even though it probably even affected my grades, because I wanted to have a true understanding of the profession before applying.
 
staffpro said:
I'm going to express my opinion which you may not agree with.

I think the MMI is great, it assesses your "soft skills" in 10 different settings (stations).

Pharmacy as of right now is a changing field. We do not know if the setting you see right now at your local pharmacy will be the setting 10 years from now. Thus MMI gives you a nice rounded picture of a person. And 7 minutes is MORE than enough if you are logical, concise, and don't go off on tangents. If you can get a good, interesting, logical point/opinion across in that amount of time you are golden. After all, how long is the average pharmacist/patient interaction these days??

Also, another reason I think MMI is great is because, the person at the station in 7 minutes can see if you have some kind of passion. When someone speaks of something logically, with reason, with an argumentative flow as well as a nice flare of true compassion it really shows.

I don't think placing people in a pharmacist setting for half a day is a good idea at all because... enless you have worked at a pharmacy you wouldn't know what to do at all. And even if you have, whats to say you've been doing your job properly (as a tech your not giving advice or anything like that anyway).

What i'm trying to say is pharmacy needs different people. The reason there is a negative stigma associated with pharmacist is that they are simply pill dispensers. And some pharmacists are, i know my local one is, hands you your **** and off you go. No willingness to even establish any kind of patient trust/connection.

If people like that continue to be admitted, this profession is dead.

That is why I think MMI is fair, efficient, and certainly a 1000x EASIER than a 45min-1hr interview with 2-3 people which I have done for a major bank and it was stressful, hard, and your on the spot for 45min-1hr.

anyways, i rest my case, good luck to all.
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:laugh: I can see how you liked MMI now👍
 
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PharMarley said:
More like...
Chances of admission:240/470=51.1% (assuming they only interviewed 470)
odds of waitlist: 30/470= 6.4% (I'm assuming they wont waitlist more than 30)
Thus 57.5% odds of waitlist+admission.
Which is still a coin flip for our future. And if you are an OOP (which I am) the odds go down drastically 😡👎 . But I hope we all get good news :xf:!!
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What are UofT's oop limitations?

One of the 1st year students in the lobby told someone that he didn't think there was any but he wasn't completely sure.
 
I agree, not factoring extracurriculars outright is not that fair as I have done several unpaid research projects. However, like any other interview, it's always a good idea to mention these when talking about yourself.
 
iicecream said:
the presenter told us at the presentation before the interview that the mmi's were weighed 20% last year...i wonder if thats true because the 1T4's feel that the interviews were weighed the most.
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yea there's no way it was 20, i'd say closer to 40 based on last year, complete guess on my part, enless they changed it this year??
 
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