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1ive2die said:
Well there is still the big question of whether the faculty will allow the students to be admitted. Even losing 10 students is a loss of nearly 3 quarters of a million dollars in tuition revenue by the university. Doubt they'll just let that happen.

Oh and just another note. If 10 people get in from the current year there will be 230 spots left, not 240.
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If they did that, it would be unethical and likely against the rules. There are many extenuating circumstances that might require someone to be held back a year, and with the new curriculum it is policy that you'd have to reapply unless its medical. I know the person who is in charge of admissions, she is on sabbatical but she implied it was possible.

Don't worry about it. I'm no longer going to comment on it because it is an unnecessary rumor. This is a public forum and I don't want to start rumors that may trouble the faculty or stress anyone out for no real reason.
 
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What do you guys think the PCAT cutoffs will be this year?:scared:
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PharMarley said:
What do you guys think the PCAT cutoffs will be this year?:scared:
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Most likely to increase by a lot. I called the admission office and they told me that the applicant pool for this cycle was ~600. So yeah...you know...
 
doublebond said:
Most likely to increase by a lot. I called the admission office and they told me that the applicant pool for this cycle was ~600. So yeah...you know...
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I heard that last year the cutoff were 50 comp, 50 chem, 20 Bio, 20 VA, 20 RC, and 3, 2.5. I also heard it was the same the year before. So what makes you think that the cuttoffs will increase drastically. If anything the 20's might increase to 25 and become 3/3. But that just me speculating.
 
doublebond said:
Most likely to increase by a lot. I called the admission office and they told me that the applicant pool for this cycle was ~600. So yeah...you know...
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O RLY?!?! I thought U of T doesn't release that information.
 
doublebond said:
Most likely to increase by a lot. I called the admission office and they told me that the applicant pool for this cycle was ~600. So yeah...you know...
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What was the applicant pool last year? Wasn't it larger? 600 doesn't seem that large if you consider that 240 of those 600 will be admitted and also considering the fact that it's possible some applicants don't have all the required pre-reqs and minimum PCAT scores.

edit: I just checked out the 2010 thread, the applicant pool was 1000 and for 2009 it was 1600, so there's no reason to think that the PCAT cutoffs would increase.

Also, the PCAT may be a predictor of your success in pharmacy school but the interview would seemingly predict this better. Think about it, what's the point in setting the cutoffs so low initially. I'm just speculating but it doesn't seem like they want the people at the very top, able to score high on the PCAT otherwise they would set composite scores to like 70...

Anyways, I don't think they will increase the minimums, but all we can do is speculate and hope for the best!
 
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mochaswirl said:
What was the applicant pool last year? Wasn't it larger? 600 doesn't seem that large if you consider that 240 of those 600 will be admitted and also considering the fact that it's possible some applicants don't have all the required pre-reqs and minimum PCAT scores.

edit: I just checked out the 2010 thread, the applicant pool was 1000 and for 2009 it was 1600, so there's no reason to think that the PCAT cutoffs would increase.

Also, the PCAT may be a predictor of your success in pharmacy school but the interview would seemingly predict this better. Think about it, what's the point in setting the cutoffs so low initially. I'm just speculating but it doesn't seem like they want the people at the very top, able to score high on the PCAT otherwise they would set composite scores to like 70...

Anyways, I don't think they will increase the minimums, but all we can do is speculate and hope for the best!
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Well, if U of T continues to interview 500 applicants like they did last year, I don't think the pcat cut off will change much, with that being said, I speculate there being 2 pcat cut offs, the lower ones which are used in interview selections (the one they reveal to applicants) and another one which they consider afterwords along with GPA and interview scores

Does anyone know when they release the PCAT cut offs for the interviews?
 
Once the interview notifications go out in March, they usually release the cutoffs in the notes section of the online app. Before then, your guess is as good as any. PharMarley's correct about last year's cutoffs and they're pretty low considering the applicant pool, so there's no reason to speculate that there will be an increase this cycle.
-WOOHOO first post! P=
 
lets say the applicant pool really is only 600, then wouldn't interviewing 500 people seem less likely?
 
40% chance of getting in approx... considering a certain percentage of applications will have uncompetitive GPAs + PCAT scores... a 50% shot at getting in approx. for a solid application...

Sounds like good odds to me lol... when talking of a high calibre school.
 
Guys keep dreaming. I got confirmation that the faculty doesn't release application statistics until after the application cycle so the 600 number is likely speculation or completely fabricated.
 
1ive2die said:
Guys keep dreaming. I got confirmation that the faculty doesn't release application statistics until after the application cycle so the 600 number is likely speculation or completely fabricated.
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it's true that we won't know the real number after the cycle, BUT don't forget that some current pharmacy students might have some connections with the admin... enough said!
 
byork said:
About the PCAT cutoffs: it's a bell curve so I doubt it will move much. Just because the application pool is shrinking doesn't mean the distribution changes. If less people have requirements, they're likely only picking off from both ends of the curve.



I only know of 2 and I've asked around, but 10 seems reasonable.

It comes down to money. They can't guarantee that a track-in program will cost the same amount of money as the current curriculum. Who wants to spend 30k per year to enter a track in program in 4th and 5th year? That's $45k more, not even considering an extra year of living in an expensive city like Toronto. Also, you might not be able to secure a spot in the program or the PharmD can be granted too late for them to make a program. (Remember the PharmD can be granted retroactively for the new curriculum, so you have 4+ year window versus the 2ish years if you're hoping for a chance at the new degree now.)

Also, if you graduate with a BscPhm in the current program you'd need to take a 2 year bridging program at (at least) $30k per year and if you include opportunity cost and living costs, it will really cost $200k more.

If you reapply, you still have to spend one extra year of living costs and opportunity cost, but tuition is guaranteed to be reasonable and you'll definitely get a spot. It's not idiotic. It's called hedging your bets and considering there is a good chance the PharmD will be granted, it is a good investment when you consider the alternatives.

Yeah, the degree designation doesn't matter depending on what you want to do legally. But a higher credential always means something, especially if it has the title "doctor" in it.

Also, some of the stuff in the first year curriculum is repeated. But most if it isn't and a lot of the repeated stuff is online coursework, so it's not a big deal.

And I'm pretty sure they can't discriminate applicants based on whether they were previously accepted or are currently enrolled in the program. I don't think they would do that. It is really unfair for new applicants and current students but you gotta do what you gotta do.
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ChemReactionXXX said:
New curriculum cost = $22k*4 = 88k = PhmD

Old curriculum cost = $14*3 + $22*2 = 86k = PhmD

By comparing old curriculum is still cost less than new curriculum .
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Wait the new curriculum costs 22k per year as in students entering in 2011 will have to pay 22k tuition? This is the first I'm hearing about this.

On an unrelated note, I heard the entire first year pharmacy class got booked for academic misconduct. What's the deal? The pharmacy faculty is going after EVERYONE for academic misconduct now?
 
ChemReactionXXX said:
New curriculum cost = $22k*4 = 88k = PhmD

Old curriculum cost = $14*3 + $22*2 = 86k = PhmD

By comparing old curriculum is still cost less than new curriculum .
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How come you have 22k listed for last 2 yrs in the old curriculum? On their website, it states that for 2010-2011 it was 14k for all the four years!
 
1ive2die said:
Wait the new curriculum costs 22k per year as in students entering in 2011 will have to pay 22k tuition? This is the first I'm hearing about this.

On an unrelated note, I heard the entire first year pharmacy class got booked for academic misconduct. What's the deal? The pharmacy faculty is going after EVERYONE for academic misconduct now?
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1ive2die said:
Wait the new curriculum costs 22k per year as in students entering in 2011 will have to pay 22k tuition? This is the first I'm hearing about this.

On an unrelated note, I heard the entire first year pharmacy class got booked for academic misconduct. What's the deal? The pharmacy faculty is going after EVERYONE for academic misconduct now?
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that's unfortunate!
 
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I heard that everyone did cheat on the online assignment for stats. And it wasn't just for one assignment
 
ChemReactionXXX said:
New curriculum is the merger of Post-bac PhmD and BscPhm so

New curriculum cost = (post-bac PhmD + BscPhm)/2 = (30k + 14k)/2 = 22k

Nothing to worry, just some confusing about Phm122 team work.
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Hey, what are your sources for that calculation? It doesn't seem right. Did you hear it from the admin?

There's no way the new curriculum costs that much more. Especially if the pharmd is approved next year and its still considered bscphm in sept. It wouldn't be legal.

By the way, what's your name?
 
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I doubt anyone, even current pharmacy students, know what the true size of the applicant pool is. Your guess is as good as mine.
 
ChemReactionXXX said:
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Wow, it seems like the faculty is making a huge deal out of this... if such a large number of students did something wrong, then doesn't that mean that there must've been some kind of miscommunications on behalf of the prof?
I highly doubt that almost everyone in pharmacy would do something outrageously unethical!
 
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I don't really believe in censorship but I deleted this because the poster requested nicely.
 
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1ive2die said:
Isn't this an internal matter. Should you really be posting this information on a public forum? I don't think the faculty would be too pleased with such an action.
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well, i agree... but on the bright side, us pharm-students-to-be can take note and learn to be more careful next year in pharm 😉
 
AIIIIII. guys its almost end of January. Still got another month before those interview decisions!
 
Hey, I would appreciate it if everyone deleted the e-mail and the quoted e-mail.

Thanks.
 
iicecream said:
AIIIIII. guys its almost end of January. Still got another month before those interview decisions!
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That seems so far away!! I wish we could know about the interviews from now. I hate how we have to wait longer till end of june to find out about the final descisions; I would much rather get a conditional offer than wait that long; its too stressful! 🙁
 
byork said:
Hey, I would appreciate it if everyone deleted the e-mail and the quoted e-mail.

Thanks.
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I guess I can erase my own quotation... just out of respect for privacy of those in pharmacy, my own friend included.
 
helloeveryone said:
I guess I can erase my own quotation... just out of respect for privacy of those in pharmacy, my own friend included.
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Talk about airing out dry laundry!!!:laugh:👍

Ánd im pretty sure I'm willing to pay 22k for PharmD. If you dont want to pay whatever the tuition fees might be, please withdraw your application. At least our odds will increase. Thnx
 
byork said:
Hey, what are your sources for that calculation? It doesn't seem right. Did you hear it from the admin?

There's no way the new curriculum costs that much more. Especially if the pharmd is approved next year and its still considered bscphm in sept. It wouldn't be legal.

By the way, what's your name?
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ChemReactionXXX said:
I did copy and paste because I would like to clear up the air for Phm122.
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By the way I heard the faculty spies on students. Like they have microphones all around PB and they can go as far as going into student Utoronto e-mail accounts and retrieving e-mails. Is this true?
 
byork said:
Hey, what are your sources for that calculation? It doesn't seem right. Did you hear it from the admin?

There's no way the new curriculum costs that much more. Especially if the pharmd is approved next year and its still considered bscphm in sept. It wouldn't be legal.
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PharMarley said:
Talk about airing out dry laundry!!!:laugh:👍

Ánd im pretty sure I'm willing to pay 22k for PharmD. If you dont want to pay whatever the tuition fees might be, please withdraw your application. At least our odds will increase. Thnx
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From where did you get the idea that i'm not willing to pay the 22k??? 😕 I've never said that anywhere.
 
ChemReactionXXX said:
Wait and see.

Be patient Mr.York
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No but why do you think that's the numbers, did someone tell that to you?

Plus, you should delete your e-mail because it's bad for U of T pharmacy's rep (including next year's...).
 
In the future, please do not release matters specifically labelled as confidential on a public forum.
 
More. Dirty. Laundry.

First year pharm student here. Let me just say this to all the potential applicants: before any of you decide to go to UofT pharmacy, seriously consider waterloo, or for that matter any school that isnt UofT. Leslie Dan is just horrible, demoralizing and not the place you want to be.

I seriously regret coming to toronto. the faculty has been absolutely horrible to the first years, I havent learned anything substansive, we're constantly reminded that we arent going to get jobs when we graduate, and with this whole cheating fiasco that's been going on, I feel like whats the point of being here. The students and friends i've made are the only positive part about 1st year experience. The faculty is hell bent on burning any and every bridge they have with us first years.

I've spent 14k already, (not to mention another 12K on living expenses) and if my parents wouldnt have a heart attack if i dropped out, i'd leave right now. No one in our class is happy with the way the administration is handling anything (forcing us to sign a paper saying we cheated- WTF!), and theres even some students threatening to drop out over the matter. Its ****ing chaos. Our options are basically admit to cheating or youre ****ed. Nice, eh.

Maybe they'll get their collective **** together next year. Probably not though. Good luck to all I guess.
 
mase127 said:
More. Dirty. Laundry.

First year pharm student here. Let me just say this to all the potential applicants: before any of you decide to go to UofT pharmacy, seriously consider waterloo, or for that matter any school that isnt UofT. Leslie Dan is just horrible, demoralizing and not the place you want to be.

I seriously regret coming to toronto. the faculty has been absolutely horrible to the first years, I havent learned anything substansive, we're constantly reminded that we arent going to get jobs when we graduate, and with this whole cheating fiasco that's been going on, I feel like whats the point of being here. The students and friends i've made are the only positive part about 1st year experience. The faculty is hell bent on burning any and every bridge they have with us first years.

I've spent 14k already, (not to mention another 12K on living expenses) and if my parents wouldnt have a heart attack if i dropped out, i'd leave right now. No one in our class is happy with the way the administration is handling anything (forcing us to sign a paper saying we cheated- WTF!), and theres even some students threatening to drop out over the matter. Its ****ing chaos. Our options are basically admit to cheating or youre ****ed. Nice, eh.

Maybe they'll get their collective **** together next year. Probably not though. Good luck to all I guess.
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I think next time you need to vent you should call your friends, parents, or a priest. A public forum is not the ideal place. I dont understand how the school accepts students like you who jump off the deep end when one thing goes wrong. Do you know how to handle adversity? You will face worest scenarios in the work place than a simple cheating fiasco. I gues you must have had good grades, an outstanding PCAT, and somehow fooled the interviewers that you are capable of being a professional. If you know anything about statistics you would be considered an outlier. Hence I wont take your advice into consideration while choosing which school I want to attend. Neither should anybody else.

PS. Grow Up👍
 
mase127 said:
More. Dirty. Laundry.

First year pharm student here. Let me just say this to all the potential applicants: before any of you decide to go to UofT pharmacy, seriously consider waterloo, or for that matter any school that isnt UofT. Leslie Dan is just horrible, demoralizing and not the place you want to be.

I seriously regret coming to toronto. the faculty has been absolutely horrible to the first years, I havent learned anything substansive, we're constantly reminded that we arent going to get jobs when we graduate, and with this whole cheating fiasco that's been going on, I feel like whats the point of being here. The students and friends i've made are the only positive part about 1st year experience. The faculty is hell bent on burning any and every bridge they have with us first years.

I've spent 14k already, (not to mention another 12K on living expenses) and if my parents wouldnt have a heart attack if i dropped out, i'd leave right now. No one in our class is happy with the way the administration is handling anything (forcing us to sign a paper saying we cheated- WTF!), and theres even some students threatening to drop out over the matter. Its ****ing chaos. Our options are basically admit to cheating or youre ****ed. Nice, eh.

Maybe they'll get their collective **** together next year. Probably not though. Good luck to all I guess.
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How hard do you guys think it will be to get hired in Toronto/GTA as a pharmacist in 5-6 years or so? (for new grads)

Only asking cause I live in the GTA and this is the Toronto/GTA pre pharm place 🙂
 
PharMarley said:
I think next time you need to vent you should call your friends, parents, or a priest. A public forum is not the ideal place. I dont understand how the school accepts students like you who jump off the deep end when one thing goes wrong. Do you know how to handle adversity? You will face worest scenarios in the work place than a simple cheating fiasco. I gues you must have had good grades, an outstanding PCAT, and somehow fooled the interviewers that you are capable of being a professional. If you know anything about statistics you would be considered an outlier. Hence I wont take your advice into consideration while choosing which school I want to attend. Neither should anybody else.

PS. Grow Up👍
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Please don`t make haste and innapropriate judgements of someone over the internet. I am also a 1st year pharmacy student and I know the poster in person to be a really nice guy.
I can`t say much about this specific matter because it is confidential, but I can say a good number of the students are upset and frustrated with the facutly right now. I feel too that certain members of the faculty and U of T`s administration have been unreasonable. I never had to deal with some of the nonesense I`ve experience here in undergrad.
Personally, I would not choose a school where it has a large number of discontent student as it is the case here at U of T pharmacy right now.
 
druggeek said:
How hard do you guys think it will be to get hired in Toronto/GTA as a pharmacist in 5-6 years or so? (for new grads)

Only asking cause I live in the GTA and this is the Toronto/GTA pre pharm place 🙂
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Hard. It is common knowledge that GTA is saturated with pharmacists. I don`t mean to sound insulting but I think it would be best if you come back to the forum in couple of years when you are actually are applying to pharmacy as this is a U of T pharm 2015 thread. While its great that you are showing interest in the profession, you have at least two years to decide if you are really interested in pharmacy.
 
By the way guys, lets not forget this forum is a pre-pharmacy forum...

If any of the current pharmacy students want to talk (or vent) about their program, why don't you guys use the pharmacy student forums?

I personally don't think we should discuss any other pharmacy related issues (regarding current students), and I can assure you that this will NOT, in any way, steer my focus away from my pharmacy application.

From now on, lets just focus on pharmacy application process, pcat cut offs, interviews, etc.

Cheers and good luck everyone 👍
 
The last round of pcat for this year's entry finished yesterday! I wonder how everyone did?
 
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