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[StartingoverVet]

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Hey SOV... to show there are no hard feelings and so us old grumpy guys can have a show of solidarity, I made you this avatar. It's similar to mine, but I thought it made it that much cooler.

You need to ditch that creepy avatar anyway.
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The more people who call my avatar creepy, the more attached to it I grow.

As for the mug, mine is an improvement....Handle on the left while you read the message is more appropriate.

 

[wildcatj]

The more people who call my avatar creepy, the more attached to it I grow.

As for the mug, mine is an improvement....Handle on the left while you read the message is more appropriate.

I personally quite like the creepy avatar. It's fitting

 

[Flim Flam Man]

The more people who call my avatar creepy, the more attached to it I grow.

As for the mug, mine is an improvement....Handle on the left while you read the message is more appropriate.

This one is preferable to the crazy dog with the syringe he had for GB.

 

[wolfspeaker]

please stop doing this in my game thread. this is the kind of behavior that I don't like.

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But it's ok for devyn to. I see.
Fine.
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[dyachei]

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But it's ok for devyn to. I see.
Fine.
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You have no idea what I've talked to devyn about, so don't assume. I'm just asking you to stop derailing my game thread with this. It's not a personal attack. Don't take it personally.

 

[shortnsweet]

"I see " said the blind man, as he picked up his hammer and saw.

 

[nohika]

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Booooooooo. Hipsters.

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[shortnsweet]

I personally quite like the creepy avatar. It's fitting

Do The Creep:

[YOUTUBE]tLPZmPaHme0[/YOUTUBE]

 

[kbrow47]

Traveling today, likely to by MIA for some of the day. Will try to check in during my plane change and all that.

 

[dyachei]

Night is closed. Results are going to be pending for a bit

 

[dyachei]

READ YOUR PMS FIRST!!!

It was a busy night. One player was enveloped in a ray of light. That player was given some potion and skipped off on their way. An angel was seen losing their wings.

allie's body was found mauled. Probably by some sort of creature.

wldlfstdnt's body was found with a knife in her chest.

A previous player has rejoined you. Please welcome back LIS!

Official Roster

One
1. allie - villager
2. TRH
3. Alors
4. swings
5. Dwin

Two
1.SnS
2.NStarz
3. nohika - villager
4. DVMD

Three (Men's club)
1.FFM
2.SOV
3. FS
4. The LIS
5. wildcatj

Four
1. abber
2. kbrown47
3. Hedgie - villager
4. Jamr0ckin - Villager

Five
1. tuckervet
2. WS - Villager
3. Wld - villager
4. 3Dogs3Cats

16 players remain.

Lynch Deadline is 8 PM EST

READ ALL MOD PMs BEFORE ANY OTHER PMs

 

[StartingoverVet]

lynch LIS

annoying pest.

 

[Dwindlin]

So, weirdness happened. Full disclosure. I WAS able to seer abilities and direct their use for a single night. That is how I knew SOV was "The Killer" and why he couldn't use his ability N2 (I choose not to kill anyone). N2 I discovered allie's ability (bad news that we lost her btw). N3 I looked into TRH and was told she is a villager with no ability. N4 I looked into swings and my results this morning were "New WW role. You are now a vanilla villager."

So, yeah. Not sure what to make of that.

Anyways lynch LIS.


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[abbercadaver]

Ehh...with all this role switching...are we sure we want to lynch LIS right off the bat?

 

[allieh8607]

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Saw that one coming a mile away 🙁

Go villagers!
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[Dwindlin]

Ehh...with all this role switching...are we sure we want to lynch LIS right off the bat?

Did someone else change roles?


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[wldlfstdnt]

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What?! Dang
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[StartingoverVet]

So, weirdness happened. Full disclosure. I WAS able to seer abilities and direct their use for a single night. That is how I knew SOV was "The Killer" and why he couldn't use his ability N2 (I choose not to kill anyone). N2 I discovered allie's ability (bad news that we lost her btw). N3 I looked into TRH and was told she is a villager with no ability. N4 I looked into swings and my results this morning were "New WW role. You are now a vanilla villager."

So, yeah. Not sure what to make of that.

Anyways lynch LIS.


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I also lost my role last night. I am also just a vanilla villager.
I wonder if roles all moved around last night.

And also to let you know... the whole "list from the mods" and "mod-justice" part of my role was bunk. I just said that because I thought y'all would be less likely to lynch me as a villager if you thought it was mod-directed. I did try to kill people with lame participation though as I think there is a distinct advantage to FORCING people to strategize actively - not just show up and vote once or day, etc. We are much more likely to find wolves when they have to say stuff. Wolves have been flying under the radar in lots of games lately. Not necessarily not voting, just not participating much.

 

[abbercadaver]

Did someone else change roles?


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*high pitched* Guiltyyyyy!

 

[shortnsweet]

Lynch swings.

Sticking to my vote from yesterday unless anyone else has any ideas.

 

[shortnsweet]

Ehh...with all this role switching...are we sure we want to lynch LIS right off the bat?

I'd like to hear him speak first.

 

[StartingoverVet]

I'd like to hear him lie first.

ftfy

 

[shortnsweet]

ftfy

Has a wolf ever come back from the dead still a wolf in a WW game?

I'm really just asking out of curiosity because I can't remember.

 

[shortnsweet]

Has a wolf ever come back from the dead still a wolf in a WW game?

I'm really just asking out of curiosity because I can't remember.

Let me rephrase...

Has a wolf ever come back from the dead period? It seems fishy...but perhaps just a distraction? I dunno

 

[LetItSnow]

ftfy

You're being a fool. I'm back and I'm a vanilla villager.

Obviously roles were shuffled - even you lost yours. I was the wolf seer, btw. Now I'm a vanilla villager.

But hey, have your own little misguided vendetta if you want.

Ironic that you're saying I'm lying. I didn't lie about my role the last game OR this game. Whereas you frequently lie about your role and have ern done it already in this game.

I think SOV went from mayor to wolf. It makes no sense to have evidence of role swapping and then come out voting against me like that.

***lynch SOV***

 

[LetItSnow]

Oh. And Dwin seems to be telling the truth because that's nearly exactly what my PM said.

 

[LetItSnow]

Let me rephrase...

Has a wolf ever come back from the dead period? It seems fishy...but perhaps just a distraction? I dunno

SOV came back as a dog who couldn't do anything but bark, I think?

But no, I don't really ever remember it. I think Dyachei rerolled some/all the roles.

The only way to really test it would be to lynch one of my old wolfy comrades to make sure they are now villagers. But that seems unnecessary. No way would Dy just let me come back, spill their new, and end the game.

Oh. There were 4 wolves to start the game, btw. With a successful conversion the night after I was lynched. So I think we have four wolves right now.

 

[LetItSnow]

No way would Dy just let me come back, spill their new, and end the game.

Spill their names. Typing in my phone.

 

[StartingoverVet]

Has a wolf ever come back from the dead still a wolf in a WW game?

I'm really just asking out of curiosity because I can't remember.

Yes. At least in my most recent game...

 

[StartingoverVet]

Ok... I have just been told by someone that they were a converted wolf and are now no longer a wolf.

So I am willing to believe that all the wolves have new identities...

unlynch LIS

This is a messed up game. 🙄

 

[shortnsweet]

You're being a fool. I'm back and I'm a vanilla villager.

Obviously roles were shuffled - even you lost yours. I was the wolf seer, btw. Now I'm a vanilla villager.

But hey, have your own little misguided vendetta if you want.

Ironic that you're saying I'm lying. I didn't lie about my role the last game OR this game. Whereas you frequently lie about your role and have ern done it already in this game.

I think SOV went from mayor to wolf. It makes no sense to have evidence of role swapping and then come out voting against me like that.

***lynch SOV***

So...if you are villager...I am assuming the whole wolf pack must have changed, otherwise you would know who to go after?

 

[dyachei]

 

[StartingoverVet]

The original wolves were: DMVD, abbers, LIS and alors

FFM who was our villager seer was converted and is now a vanilla villager.

 

[shortnsweet]

So...if you are villager...I am assuming the whole wolf pack must have changed, otherwise you would know who to go after?

Nvm...you old men post too fast

 

[StartingoverVet]

I think all the people with roles before are now vanilla villagers and all the people who were vanilla villagers now have roles and/or are wolves.

Which is which is the question.

 

[StartingoverVet]

You're being a fool. I'm back and I'm a vanilla villager.

Obviously roles were shuffled - even you lost yours. I was the wolf seer, btw. Now I'm a vanilla villager.

But hey, have your own little misguided vendetta if you want.

Ironic that you're saying I'm lying. I didn't lie about my role the last game OR this game. Whereas you frequently lie about your role and have ern done it already in this game.

I think SOV went from mayor to wolf. It makes no sense to have evidence of role swapping and then come out voting against me like that.

***lynch SOV***

If you look back, I voted to lynch you as soon as the results were posted...
that was before I knew about everyone role switching.

Not sure why the vitriol against me. Lynching a wolf brought back to life seemed obvious at the time. Now it is not so obvious.

 

[tuckervet]

You're being a fool. I'm back and I'm a vanilla villager.

Obviously roles were shuffled - even you lost yours. I was the wolf seer, btw. Now I'm a vanilla villager.

But hey, have your own little misguided vendetta if you want.

Ironic that you're saying I'm lying. I didn't lie about my role the last game OR this game. Whereas you frequently lie about your role and have ern done it already in this game.

I think SOV went from mayor to wolf. It makes no sense to have evidence of role swapping and then come out voting against me like that.

***lynch SOV***

For the above reasons, and due to my recent distrust of politicians (aka rojo), lynch SOV

 

[StartingoverVet]

There were 4 wolves and I know of 3 roles...
Seer (FFM)
Killer (SOV)
Role Stealer (Dwin)

There was also a healer.

So I assume that is 8 roles total.

That means the wolves are among this list if I am right:
2. TRH
4. swings
1.SnS
2.NStarz
3. FS
5. wildcatj
2. kbrown47
1. tuckervet
4. 3Dogs3Cats

One of those 9 people must have had a role before.

 

[StartingoverVet]

pretty much 50/50 in getting a wolf from the list.

Lynch wildcatj

 

[dyachei]

 

[StartingoverVet]

For the above reasons, and due to my recent distrust of politicians (aka rojo), lynch SOV

read my explanation above. LIS is accusing me of lynching him knowing about role swapping, but I did not know that when I cast my vote.

I have since unlynched him... so your vote makes no sense.

unlynch wildcatj
lynch tuckervet

for just looking for a reason to lynch me that doesn't make sense.

 

[NStarz]

The original wolves were: DMVD, abbers, LIS and alors

FFM who was our villager seer was converted and is now a vanilla villager.

Can we assume this means none of these guys are wolves now? Or is that too easy?

 

[shortnsweet]

There were 4 wolves and I know of 3 roles...
Seer (FFM)
Killer (SOV)
Role Stealer (Dwin)

There was also a healer.

So I assume that is 8 roles total.

That means the wolves are among this list if I am right:
2. TRH
4. swings
1.SnS
2.NStarz
3. FS
5. wildcatj
2. kbrown47
1. tuckervet
4. 3Dogs3Cats

One of those 9 people must have had a role before.

And why couldn't Dwin, FFM, or you be a wolf now??

 

[LetItSnow]

Can we assume this means none of these guys are wolves now? Or is that too easy?

I think we have to assume that all four originals plus the convert are not wolves.

It's not necessarily true - Dyachei might have literally completely re-rolled things so that everyone (including me) had an equal chance of being a 'new' wolf, but I'm leaning against that (purely guessing).

 

[Flim Flam Man]

I think SOV is close, but wrong about the part where former vanilla villagers now have roles, and those that had roles are now vanilla villagers.

Pretty sure there will be at least one person out there who was a vanilla villager, and still is.

I think all the roles were RNG'ed, except possibly the ones from dead players (wolf seer may be gone, but they could have brought that back, explaining the LIS resurrection).

 

[tuckervet]

read my explanation above. LIS is accusing me of lynching him knowing about role swapping, but I did not know that when I cast my vote.

I have since unlynched him... so your vote makes no sense.

unlynch wildcatj
lynch tuckervet

for just looking for a reason to lynch me that doesn't make sense.

my lynch vote for you was posted 1 minute after you explained yourself, so I didn't see it while I was typing. I also voted to lynch you the first day, so nothing has really changed there. Will likely waffle if any new info comes out today...

Can we assume this means none of these guys are wolves now? Or is that too easy?

from my limited WW experience, I'd say assume nothing and nothing is straightforward or easy when it comes to WW.

 

[LetItSnow]

I think we ought to lynch SOV, and here is why.

Fact: At least some roles were re-rolled (but we don't know that all of them were, so he may still be The Killer, or he may be a wolf, or he may be a wolf who is The Killer).

Likely true: All the original+convert wolves are now villagers.

Possibility: SOV is a wolf.

Possibility: SOV retains his ability to kill at night.

Fact: We have to lynch somebody.

Fact: We have absolutely no clue who to lynch because of the new roles as of today.

So from where I'm sitting, we lynch SOV. He should use his veto to stay alive. Our new seer investigates him overnight. Then we proceed from there and lynch him again if he's a wolf or move on if he's not.

If he retained his ability to kill, he'd be devastating as a wolf, so I'd rather figure that out sooner rather than later. He automatically gets one night before he can be lynched, so I'd rather start the process now.

There were 4 wolves and I know of 3 roles...
Seer (FFM)
Killer (SOV)
Role Stealer (Dwin)

There was also a healer.

So I assume that is 8 roles total.

That means the wolves are among this list if I am right:
2. TRH
4. swings
1.SnS
2.NStarz
3. FS
5. wildcatj
2. kbrown47
1. tuckervet
4. 3Dogs3Cats

One of those 9 people must have had a role before.

I don't understand why you left you, Dwin, and FFM off the list of possible wolves. In my mind, the only people cleared at this exact moment are me and my former fellow wolves.

 

[shortnsweet]

I don't understand why you left you, Dwin, and FFM off the list of possible wolves. In my mind, the only people cleared at this exact moment are me and my former fellow wolves.

Except that if the roles were RNGed, no one is really cleared.

 

[LetItSnow]

Not sure why the vitriol against me. Lynching a wolf brought back to life seemed obvious at the time. Now it is not so obvious.

Because it wasn't even obvious then. The only way a wolf is likely to come back as a playing, talking, strategizing wolf is if they suddenly had some way to avoid being lynched. Otherwise it's kinda a strange mechanic since obviously everyone would just shrug and lynch them again. So I don't think it was "obvious." I mean, you didn't even wait to hear what I had to say, which makes me think you were hoping to get a quick plurality and lynch a villager before anyone thought it through. Very high level of plausible deniability... you'd just say "I just assumed he'd still be a wolf!" and let it look like an honest mistake.

Mostly, though, it was your poisoning of the well against me with the snarky "ftfy" quote of swings (or whoever), who reasonably said they wanted to wait to hear what I had to say. Changing that to wanting to hear me "lie" is what makes me suspicious. There was no reason for that, unless it was just meant to be funny. When I see things like that that don't make sense, it elevates you on my radar.

Just analyzing your posts (and everyone else's). That's all I have to go on.

And, I think it makes sense even if I wasn't suspicious of you, for reasons I outlined in my other post. I think it's unlikely that you're the entire combination of Mayor+Wolf+Killer, but the risk of that possibility is way too high to ignore. More likely you're just Mayor+(Wolf|Villager), but since I have nobody else to vote for, why ignore the chance that you're not?

 

[LetItSnow]

Except that if the roles were RNGed, no one is really cleared.

Correct.

I'm currently going on the theory that former wolves are all now villagers. I think that's by far the most *likely* scenario. But it's definitely possible that any of us were re-rolled into wolves. And I think SOV's list makes absolutely no sense since he left himself, FFM, and Dwin off it.