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LetItSnow said:
Mostly, though, it was your poisoning of the well against me with the snarky "ftfy" quote of swings (or whoever), who reasonably said they wanted to wait to hear what I had to say. Changing that to wanting to hear me "lie" is what makes me suspicious. There was no reason for that, unless it was just meant to be funny. When I see things like that that don't make sense, it elevates you on my radar.
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It was me...and yes...it raised flags for me as well.
 
LetItSnow said:
Correct.

I'm currently going on the theory that former wolves are all now villagers. I think that's by far the most *likely* scenario. But it's definitely possible that any of us were re-rolled into wolves. And I think SOV's list makes absolutely no sense since he left himself, FFM, and Dwin off it.
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Yes...and he has chosen to ignore both you and I pointing that out.
 
shortnsweet said:
And why couldn't Dwin, FFM, or you be a wolf now??
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FFM is the one who told me about being a converted wolf and outing the other wolves.... so I doubt he is.

Dwin came on and before we knew about the role switching said he was now a vanilla villager. He didn't have to disclose that if he was a wolf. And it was the same language I got in my PM as well.

I am assuming all roles ==> vanilla villager.
Wolves became either vanilla villager or roles.

Therefore 1/2 the vanillas ==> wolves.

That is my logic.

I don't know who the 4th person with a role is, but based on Dwin's and FFM's comments, and my message I think it is pretty logical to assume..

As for the FTFY thing, that was a joke... and I have never seen ANYONE use FTFY except to make a humorous correction of someone else's post. But maybe that is just me.

Again, I was still in the LIS coming back as a wolf frame of mind at that time, so why wouldn't he lie.
 
Am I reading the results right that of everyone who was previously dead; I'm the only one that was brought back and all the people who stayed dead were plain-jane villagers?

Sorta implies Dy wanted to keep the roles active in the game. Which makes me guess that there are still four wolves and that the wolf 'seer' role is back. Otherwise, why resurrect me versus any of them?
 
Yeah, since it was already outed I was a sneaky wolf, but my role was also changed last night as well.

FFM was who we converted on Night 3, I was wanting to convert someone with a role and took a guess as to who might have one. 😀

Anyway, not a wolf now. I also think I shall Lynch SOV, simply because I don't think we can say that everyone who had a role is now just a villager or everyone who was just a villager now has a role... doubt the mods would do that. Also, I think outing all of the players on thread who had been wolves before was probably not the best idea, considering that there is a great chance that all of us are now villagers... just puts huge targets on our backs.
 
Just read LIS' longer earlier comment.
I just think he is biased to always suspect me...

But I think we have a 50/50 shot of getting a wolf off my list because I don't think it was all RNG.

You can lynch me and I can veto it, but I think that really wastes a great opportunity to get a wolf.

I will hopefully check back before lynch.
 
DVMDream said:
Also, I think outing all of the players on thread who had been wolves before was probably not the best idea, considering that there is a great chance that all of us are now villagers... just puts huge targets on our backs.
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Yeah. I've been debating pointing that out, too. I'm not sure if it was a good move, a dumb move, or a wolfy move. I can kinda see it all three ways. Would have probably been better to not mention it and let us sorta vouch for each other as/if we came up for lynching.
 
LetItSnow said:
Am I reading the results right that of everyone who was previously dead; I'm the only one that was brought back and all the people who stayed dead were plain-jane villagers?

Sorta implies Dy wanted to keep the roles active in the game. Which makes me guess that there are still four wolves and that the wolf 'seer' role is back. Otherwise, why resurrect me versus any of them?
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Yeah, FFM was told that he became our new "wolf seer" when we converted him, so I think there is still a wolf seer out there.
 
StartingoverVet said:
Just read LIS' longer earlier comment.
I just think he is biased to always suspect me...
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I'm suspicious of you because you made a suspicious comment. And since I'm not the only one that saw it that way, I think your "biased to always suspect me" comment is obviously off-base.

Also, I clearly acknowledged you might still be a villager when I explained why I think you are the correct person for us to lynch right now. I do not agree with your assertion that we have a 50/50 chance of getting a wolf from your list.
 
StartingoverVet said:
If you mean, I was not here to respond the minute you pointed that out, then yes I ignored it... but contrary to popular opinion I do have a life outside of WW occasionally.
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Aren't you the one who always says we aren't allowed to have lives outside of WW? 😛
 
DVMDream said:
Yeah, since it was already outed I was a sneaky wolf, but my role was also changed last night as well.

FFM was who we converted on Night 3, I was wanting to convert someone with a role and took a guess as to who might have one. 😀

Anyway, not a wolf now. I also think I shall Lynch SOV, simply because I don't think we can say that everyone who had a role is now just a villager or everyone who was just a villager now has a role... doubt the mods would do that. Also, I think outing all of the players on thread who had been wolves before was probably not the best idea, considering that there is a great chance that all of us are now villagers... just puts huge targets on our backs.
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Apologies. I used that info to prove credibility. I wasn't thinking SOV was going to post it on the thread.
 
DVMDream said:
👍

Yeah, I figured that is what you were doing. SOV should have thought better than to post it.
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I don't see why? If you are all plain villagers as I thought, you wouldn't be targets of wolves. And if that info gives us a 50% chance of getting wolves, it is certainly worth it.

Not sure why your panties are in a bunch. So we know who the wolves were. So what? Why would that make you a target.
 
My previous posts notwithstanding, I have thought some more about this re-shuffle, and I am not sure my idea makes sense from a game mechanic point of view. Seems to easy to figure out.

I am guess everyone was re-RNGed....

So a wolf could be a wolf again or a plain villager or a role.

I am guessing it is all completely random.

I am going to assume it is day 1 all over again. No one is above suspicion, no one is cleared.

I will stick with my lynch vote, as it is as good as any other (and I would still like to see if my discredited idea might have any truth to it as along as I am going RNG).
 
StartingoverVet said:
I don't see why? If you are all plain villagers as I thought, you wouldn't be targets of wolves. And if that info gives us a 50% chance of getting wolves, it is certainly worth it.

Not sure why your panties are in a bunch. So we know who the wolves were. So what? Why would that make you a target.
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Are you serious with this?? 😕

Think about it... if we are under the assumption that all prior wolves are now villagers... what purpose would there be for the current wolves to keep us alive? They would have a hard time throwing suspicion onto us. Seriously... basic WW strategy here, I know you know this.
 
DVMDream said:
Are you serious with this?? 😕

Think about it... if we are under the assumption that all prior wolves are now villagers... what purpose would there be for the current wolves to keep us alive? They would have a hard time throwing suspicion onto us. Seriously... basic WW strategy here, I know you know this.
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I was saying that all old wolves and roles were villagers.. That is EIGHT people. Hardly makes you a target.

And it narrows down the list of potential wolves to 8 people, with 4 wolves.
THAT is basic math. You can't get any better than that. It is why in the endgame everyone gives out their roles... because you can narrow down the suspects.

50/50 is about as good as it gets.
I know you know THAT!*
 
StartingoverVet said:
I don't see why? If you are all plain villagers as I thought, you wouldn't be targets of wolves. And if that info gives us a 50% chance of getting wolves, it is certainly worth it.

Not sure why your panties are in a bunch. So we know who the wolves were. So what? Why would that make you a target.
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The classic argument, as you're aware, has always been that wolves lean toward killing the known/cleared/assumed villagers because there's less chance those people will get lynched. That leaves the unknown/uncleared/unvouched villagers for lynching.

I dunno. I've never been hugely compelled by that argument, but that's the one people always float. But you know already know that. 😕

Since shortnsweet said she can confirm your assumption is wrong, your reasoning doesn't give us a 50% chance of catching wolves, because it means your list is not reliable.

I still don't understand why you'd make the assumption you did. I can't think of any reason for it unless you were trying to create a mindset where people subconsciously viewed everyone with a previous role as 'cleared'. Just doesn't make sense to me. *shrug*
 
StartingoverVet said:
I don't see why? If you are all plain villagers as I thought, you wouldn't be targets of wolves.

Why would that make you a target.
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Oh, just the whole, we could convert every 3rd night thing. If all wolves were new, no one would have known the originals.

Now they know who is hypothetically "cleared" via all this logic out on the thread. = conversion target!
 
StartingoverVet said:
My previous posts notwithstanding, I have thought some more about this re-shuffle, and I am not sure my idea makes sense from a game mechanic point of view. Seems to easy to figure out.

I am guess everyone was re-RNGed....

So a wolf could be a wolf again or a plain villager or a role.

I am guessing it is all completely random.

I am going to assume it is day 1 all over again. No one is above suspicion, no one is cleared.

I will stick with my lynch vote, as it is as good as any other (and I would still like to see if my discredited idea might have any truth to it as along as I am going RNG).
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Yeah. This makes me stick with my vote, too. Because it seems like you came out swinging trying to establish a mindset where previous villagers with roles were above suspicion... now that that's been repudiated by shortnsweet, you're trying to reframe something where *nobody* is above suspicion, which would be the next best thing for the wolves.

I really, really think we have to both lynch and investigate SOV right now.
 
StartingoverVet said:
I was saying that all old wolves and roles were villagers.. That is EIGHT people. Hardly makes you a target.

And it narrows down the list of potential wolves to 8 people, with 4 wolves.
THAT is basic math. You can't get any better than that. It is why in the endgame everyone gives out their roles... because you can narrow down the suspects.

50/50 is about as good as it gets.
I know you know THAT!*
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Except that people have flat out told you that your "list" and assumption and guess about roles/wolves now just being vanilla villagers is wrong... so your "list" is garbage.
 
LetItSnow said:
The classic argument, as you're aware, has always been that wolves lean toward killing the known/cleared/assumed villagers because there's less chance those people will get lynched. That leaves the unknown/uncleared/unvouched villagers for lynching.

I dunno. I've never been hugely compelled by that argument, but that's the one people always float. But you know already know that. 😕

Since shortnsweet said she can confirm your assumption is wrong, your reasoning doesn't give us a 50% chance of catching wolves, because it means your list is not reliable.

I still don't understand why you'd make the assumption you did. I can't think of any reason for it unless you were trying to create a mindset where people subconsciously viewed everyone with a previous role as 'cleared'. Just doesn't make sense to me. *shrug*
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You used my real name! 😍
 
LetItSnow said:
The classic argument, as you're aware, has always been that wolves lean toward killing the known/cleared/assumed villagers because there's less chance those people will get lynched. That leaves the unknown/uncleared/unvouched villagers for lynching.

I dunno. I've never been hugely compelled by that argument, but that's the one people always float. But you know already know that. 😕

Since shortnsweet said she can confirm your assumption is wrong, your reasoning doesn't give us a 50% chance of catching wolves, because it means your list is not reliable.

I still don't understand why you'd make the assumption you did. I can't think of any reason for it unless you were trying to create a mindset where people subconsciously viewed everyone with a previous role as 'cleared'. Just doesn't make sense to me. *shrug*
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My original reasoning was all old vanilla villagers got a role or were a wolf.
But then I got info that I was wrong.

Based on what I know and see on the remaining roles I thought they must all be villagers, but that may not be right, and that is why I changed.

I am not sure where SnS said that my original reasoning is wrong, but if I still thought I was right, I wouldn't believe her anyway, that is what a wolf would have said..

But it is irrelevant.

At this point, I believe whatever the role was before, it is now RNG... so DVMD could still be a wolf.... and her trying to get me lynched is just a ploy to keep the heat off the wolves... because you and her always try to get me lynched.

I will say it now. 100%, swear on my IGs... I am not a wolf.

Look elsewhere.

I wouldn't have been talking up such a big (and it seems wrong now) storm if I were.
 
DVMDream said:
Except that people have flat out told you that your "list" and assumption and guess about roles/wolves now just being vanilla villagers is wrong... so your "list" is garbage.
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Maybe.. maybe not..

Besides I have already backed off that.

You are as likely a wolf as anyone else... so don't worry , you have a target on your back from the villagers, and it is because you are as likely a wolf as anyone.

I am definitely not willing to buy the "all wolves are villagers" argument. And I don't think anyone else is. Way too convenient.
 
StartingoverVet said:
Maybe.. maybe not..

Besides I have already backed off that.

You are as likely a wolf as anyone else... so don't worry , you have a target on your back from the villagers, and it is because you are as likely a wolf as anyone.

I am definitely not willing to buy the "all wolves are villagers" argument. And I don't think anyone else is. Way too convenient.
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I see, now we are going to turn this around on the previous wolves.. good idea... tell me how that works out.

I got the same damn PM that everyone else got... my role changed just like everyone else. Don't like it, too bad. Seer can investigate me, I have nothing to hide. I am now a villager. But you coming out guns blazing against the previous wolves is not sitting well in my mind. I have no idea what PM's FFM, abbers, alors or LIS received, nor am I willing to say that they are 100% clear, but in my mind, they are probably a bit more clear than anyone else.
 
DVMDream said:
Don't like it, too bad. Seer can investigate me, I have nothing to hide. I am now a villager. But you coming out guns blazing against the previous wolves is not sitting well in my mind. I have no idea what PM's FFM, abbers, alors or LIS received, nor am I willing to say that they are 100% clear, but in my mind, they are probably a bit more clear than anyone else.
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👍

Exactly my feelings on it.
 
DVMDream said:
I see, now we are going to turn this around on the previous wolves.. good idea... tell me how that works out.

I got the same damn PM that everyone else got... my role changed just like everyone else. Don't like it, too bad. Seer can investigate me, I have nothing to hide. I am now a villager. But you coming out guns blazing against the previous wolves is not sitting well in my mind. I have no idea what PM's FFM, abbers, alors or LIS received, nor am I willing to say that they are 100% clear, but in my mind, they are probably a bit more clear than anyone else.
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I also go the vanilla villager PM. At girt I didn't check the thread so I thought I was the only one that changed and asked the mods if the other wolves knew I had changed. Then I checked the thread and saw this madness. From my perspective I would think none of the previous wolves are wolves. This is based on some of the conditions the mods had given us. Also it seems like they are completely shaking up the game. Also only converting part of the wolves would give a disadvantage of the converts knowing too much.
 
LetItSnow said:
Wait. What conditions? We had conditions?
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Oh. Disregard that. I presume you're talking about not being allowed to use a google doc for discussion/tracking/etc.

Huh. Yeah. I'm not sure why Dyachei put that restriction in there, even with this mechanic in mind. I mean, she could have just as easily said: you're a vanilla villager now, you may no longer access the wolves' spreadsheet.

What am I missing?
 
AlorsOnDanse said:
I also go the vanilla villager PM. At girt I didn't check the thread so I thought I was the only one that changed and asked the mods if the other wolves knew I had changed. Then I checked the thread and saw this madness. From my perspective I would think none of the previous wolves are wolves. This is based on some of the conditions the mods had given us. Also it seems like they are completely shaking up the game. Also only converting part of the wolves would give a disadvantage of the converts knowing too much.
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Yup, when I got the PM I asked... so I am not a wolf then?? And they said yes and then I was like.... so, are the other wolves still wolves... and they laughed at me... I doubt anyone is, because I could have just said, "Hey guys, my role changed last night, I was a wolf but now I am not... here are the wolves, lynch them, villagers win, the end."
 
LetItSnow said:
Oh. Disregard that. I presume you're talking about not being allowed to use a google doc for discussion/tracking/etc.

Huh. Yeah. I'm not sure why Dyachei put that restriction in there, even with this mechanic in mind. I mean, she could have just as easily said: you're a vanilla villager now, you may no longer access the wolves' spreadsheet.

What am I missing?
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I think the mods just want us to start the and a new
 
LetItSnow said:
Oh. Disregard that. I presume you're talking about not being allowed to use a google doc for discussion/tracking/etc.

Huh. Yeah. I'm not sure why Dyachei put that restriction in there, even with this mechanic in mind. I mean, she could have just as easily said: you're a vanilla villager now, you may no longer access the wolves' spreadsheet.

What am I missing?
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Yeah, we probably still could have done a doc. Would have just had to delete it right now, but perhaps dyachei has something else in mind?? :shrug:

Anyway, wolves can convert every third night, there is a specific wolf who does this. There is also a wolf seer. And the silencing role, belongs to a wolf as well as that was my wolf ability prior. I am curious to see if this role change thing will happen again on Night 8... maybe an every 4th night thing? Or just a one time occurrence... could this have been someone's ability? or just them mods having some fun?
 
DVMDream said:
Yeah, we probably still could have done a doc. Would have just had to delete it right now, but perhaps dyachei has something else in mind?? :shrug:

Anyway, wolves can convert every third night, there is a specific wolf who does this. There is also a wolf seer. And the silencing role, belongs to a wolf as well as that was my wolf ability prior. I am curious to see if this role change thing will happen again on Night 8... maybe an every 4th night thing? Or just a one time occurrence... could this have been someone's ability? or just them mods having some fun?
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If its every 4th night then it's kinda weird that the wolves convert on the third. The ability only happens to help for one night. I'm guessing its the mods because they kept telling us we would find out very soon.
 
LetItSnow said:
Huh. Yeah. I'm not sure why Dyachei put that restriction in there, even with this mechanic in mind. I mean, she could have just as easily said: you're a vanilla villager now, you may no longer access the wolves' spreadsheet.
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You don't think people would be tempted? I do.

Back to your regularly scheduled confusion.
 
dyachei said:
You don't think people would be tempted? I do.

Back to your regularly scheduled confusion.
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I dunno, the wolf spreadsheet is usually created by one person who is a wolf. If that person is no longer a wolf, why would they look and how would the new wolves be able to access it without the previous player giving them the link and access to it? I would think the new wolves would just make their own spreadsheet.
 
dyachei said:
You don't think people would be tempted? I do.

Back to your regularly scheduled confusion.
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I figured that's why.

But who was it in a game long past who sent a PM to a player instead of a mod when they were a wolf? And the player continued playing and never jumped on the known wolf (until other evidence was presented)?

I think we have a pretty good honor system. 🙂
 
StartingoverVet said:
I think all the people with roles before are now vanilla villagers and all the people who were vanilla villagers now have roles and/or are wolves.

Which is which is the question.
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Except that I was vanilla villager before and still am. My role hasn't changed.
 
DVMDream said:
But you coming out guns blazing against the previous wolves is not sitting well in my mind. I have no idea what PM's FFM, abbers, alors or LIS received, nor am I willing to say that they are 100% clear, but in my mind, they are probably a bit more clear than anyone else.
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never came out guns blazing against at all.
First I thought you were all clear.
Now I think you all have an equal chance of being a wolf as anyone else.

I absolutely don't see any reason to think wolves are the only group that changed en masse. No reason why a wolf couldn't be a wolf again. There would be no advantage or disadvantage to the game for a repeat.

RNG is RNG. And any wolf who claims they aren't a villager is equally likely to be telling the truth or lying as anyone else if it is RNG.

It is pretty simple.
 
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