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Say what you want about other aspects of NYU that you dislike, but I think its unfair to single them out for high tuition. Yes, their tuition is very high, but it is actually on par with most other private schools like BU, Tufts, USC, UoP, Penn, Columbia, etc. I could go on.

The reason COA seems so high is because when they list it on their website they severely overestimate living expenses. They put $35,000 for room and board and $5000 a year for personal expenses. No student needs 35k a year for rent and food and 5k a year for discretionary spending. No, not even in NYC.

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I think if they had class size of 100 or so, they wouldn't get ripped on as much.
 
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No student needs 35k a year for rent and food and 5k a year for discretionary spending. No, not even in NYC.

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You sure about that? 35k a year for rent will get you a small piece of bathroom. So students actually need more depending where they'll live in the city. IOW, dont go to NYU. Not worth it.
 
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Say what you want about other aspects of NYU that you dislike, but I think its unfair to single them out for high tuition. Yes, their tuition is very high, but it is actually on par with most other private schools like BU, Tufts, USC, UoP, Penn, Columbia, etc. I could go on.

The reason COA seems so high is because when they list it on their website they severely overestimate living expenses. They put $35,000 for room and board and $5000 a year for personal expenses. No student needs 35k a year for rent and food and 5k a year for discretionary spending. No, not even in NYC.

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how much they payin you :bored:
 
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It's cause their class size is almost 400 students a year
I think if they had class size of 100 or so, they wouldn't get ripped on as much.
true but from what I heard from my friend who goes there, thats only really relevant in lectures and when taking exams. For preclinical they split you up into small groups of like 20-30 and assign each group a faculty member. doesnt sound too bad
 
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You sure about that? 35k a year for rent will get you a small piece of bathroom. So students actually need more depending where they'll live in the city. IOW, dont go to NYU. Not worth it.
Yeah Im sure about it. 35k is room and board. If we set aside 5000 of that for food, 30,000 / 12 is $2500 a month for rent. Thats a lot for a student unless you need to live on billionaires row and have a view of central park lol.

In east village which is gonna be a 5 min walk to the school, without roommates you can get a small shoebox type studio for about or under $1500, and with some roommates you can get a decent sized apartment with your own private bedroom for $1300-1600

I dont go to NYU btw, but Im familiar with the cost of housing in the city
 
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I actually laughed out loud when I read this. NYU does NOT need defending.

and neither do other crazy expensive schools. They are a SCAM and are contributing to the demise of this profession and indentured servitude of young dentists.

I just was talking with a young specialist yesterday who is 37 years old, been out of residency 5 years and has 700k in loans. He is leasing a nice ish car, has a studio apartment and even with throwing almost everything he has got at the loans its still a huge struggle. It is very difficult to understand as a pre-dent, but you are financially screwing yourself for LIFE. It is not a decision to take lightly. whether it is NYU or USC or BU or Penn, anything 400k+ is absolutely ridiculous imo.
 
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Are you a predent or an actual dental student?
 
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I actually laughed out loud when I read this. NYU does NOT need defending.

and neither do other crazy expensive schools. They are a SCAM and are contributing to the demise of this profession and indentured servitude of young dentists.

I just was talking with a young specialist yesterday who is 37 years old, been out of residency 5 years and has 700k in loans. He is leasing a nice ish car, has a studio apartment and even with throwing almost everything he has got at the loans its still a huge struggle. It is very difficult to understand as a pre-dent, but you are financially screwing yourself for LIFE. It is not a decision to take lightly. whether it is NYU or USC or BU or Penn, anything 400k+ is absolutely ridiculous imo.
Im not necessarily disagreeing with anything you said. I just think its interesting how NYU particularly is sensationalized on this forum. People like that student loan planner guy make a post, deceptively saying it costs "$700k" to attend (it doesnt), and impressionable pre dents read that and start crapping on NYU and in the same breath applying to other schools which are essentially just as expensive.
 
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Lol no not even a student there. Just playing devils advocate. It seems like people on this site just say whatever they hear others say without putting much critical thought into it
Lol. Not much critical thinking? Thinking about how your future will be affected by being shackled to 500k debt is certainly something to be concerned about. NYU does take a lot of heat on this site and rightfully so. To be fair USC gets talked about equally as much. Even without living expenses you’re gonna be paying 100k a year. With a conservative living expenses you’re looking at about 120k per academic year which is still absurd.
 
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Im not necessarily disagreeing with anything you said. I just think its interesting how NYU particularly is sensationalized on this forum. People like that student loan planner guy make a post, deceptively saying it costs "$700k" to attend (it doesnt), and impressionable pre dents read that and start crapping on NYU and in the same breath applying to other schools which are essentially just as expensive.
There's some truth to this.. I am a ND resident and a lot of state schools as well as private are well over 400k.. Midwestern is also notoriously expensive but also sort of average when you don't have a state school to compare it too
 
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I was accepted this cycle. Got into a cheaper school which I'll be attending but before I was accepted here, I got accepted to NYU (and other privates) and I did my own research. I realized that while yes, it is extremely expensive and not a financial decision to take lightly, theres nothing especially bad about NYU that can't be applied to a lot of other private schools. BUs tuition and fees are almost exactly the same btw, but theyre never hated on this much on here. Same with Tufts.
 
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Im not necessarily disagreeing with anything you said. I just think its interesting how NYU particularly is sensationalized on this forum. People like that student loan planner guy make a post, deceptively saying it costs "$700k" to attend (it doesnt), and impressionable pre dents read that and start crapping on NYU and in the same breath applying to other schools which are essentially just as expensive.
It's not 700K, but it's quite close after accrued interest is added. Especially since a lot of people will have to take out loans to cover many of the expenses. I mean its hard to find people who have 490K+ laying around for school
 
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It's not 700K, but it's quite close after accrued interest is added. Especially since a lot of people will have to take out loans to cover many of the expenses. I mean its hard to find people who have 490K+ laying around for school
Sure and thats a lot of money to borrow, I agree. My point is as close to 700k as it may be, its not anything considerably worse than a lot of other private schools which fly under the radar of "financially literate" sdn posters
 
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NYU is so focused on because of its sheer size, like it was said earlier, if they had class around 100 or less there might be less outcry. I mean we're talking about a school that gives med students full rides but pulls in well over 100 million dollars on tuition from its dental students over 4 years, seems a bit much.
 
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Sure and thats a lot of money to borrow, I agree. My point is as close to 700k as it may be, its not anything considerably worse than a lot of other private schools which fly under the radar of "financially literate" sdn posters
I definitely agree that there are many other programs that are unreasonably expensive (USC, Penn, even Columbia tbh). That's just the sad reality of being a pre-dent now, I'm lucky that my state schools are some of the cheapest in the country, but many people have to go to these private schools in state that are twice or maybe even three times more expensive than they should really be.
 
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I definitely agree that there are many other programs that are unreasonably expensive (USC, Penn, even Columbia tbh). That's just the sad reality of being a pre-dent now, I'm lucky that my state schools are some of the cheapest in the country, but many people have to go to these private schools in state that are twice or maybe even three times more expensive than they should really be.
Couldnt agree more. Even in state public school tuition is pretty ridiculous, but obviously it looks good to us compared to what other schools cost. Just the sad state of things. Especially sad for people who dont have a state school and dont get in somewhere that grants IS after a year
 
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30,000 / 12 is $2500 a month for rent. Thats a lot for a student unless you need to live on billionaires row and have a view of central park lol.

:lol:$2500 a lot? not in the city it isn't. If you live or have lived in the city you know better. Definitely not "alot" in NYC standards. And living like billionaires in front of central park with 2500? On the stoop you mean? :lol:
 
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:lol:$2500 a lot? not in the city it isn't. If you live or have lived in the city you know better. Definitely not "alot" in NYC standards. And living like billionaires in front of central park with 2500? On the stoop you mean? :lol:
Its a lot for a student. Obviously the billionaires row thing was an exaggeration lmao. I challenge you to go ask NYU students, undergrad or grad, how much they pay for rent. It wont be near 2500. My best friend is an investment banker at BAML and even with his salary he pays 1500 for a decent 3 bedroom apartment downtown by NYU, that he shares with 2 others
 
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As a student of NYU, I do admit that there are a lot of stupid things wrong with NYU, but it does get unproportional amount of heat.

For one thing, NYU getting heat for having a large class size makes no sense to me. You have proportional amount of patients, and you're all split up into group practices of roughly 30 students with enough faculty, teaching assistants, and mentors available. The student environment itself is incredibly helpful. There's only about 2.5 dental schools in NYC (NYU, Columbia, and the very distant Touro). Even with nearly 400 students, they will still do close to 400 procedures by graduation (sans-covid) as they are nearly in the middle of the city at 23rd street. I posted up my cousin's progress while he was in the middle of his D4 year a few years ago and IMO it's more thank a lot of schools get by the time they graduate. He got to do over 300 procedures in 1.5 years still with 5 months left to his schooling. This is with 400 students a year. Fact is, even with the # of students, NYU is a good school clinically that emphasizes a lot on general dentistry, and that doesn't get talked about at all. Once Covid is over and everything goes back to normal, I know I will get a good clinical experience at NYU due to all the patients that go here (300k patients a year).

Secondly, tuition IS high, but people do tend to exaggerate. I made a post that disproved the 700k by studentloanplanner to which everyone disagreed with because 500k-600k was still a lot. While I agree that 600k is a lot, but 500k is not as much more expensive than other schools as you guys think since most schools are already over 400k. I also had said that 600k is not worth moving to NYC to attend this college, but some people are wealthy and some live in the city, so tuition is a non issue. I also want to reply to the person in this thread that says 35k is not enough for NYC... This is false, as I have lived in NYC for over 20 years. 35k is more than enough to live decently in the city. I reckon if you want the convenience of being 5-10 mins from the school and eat take out nearly every single day, then 35k will do just about that. If you are willing to commute from the outer boroughs and cook/meal prep, it will run you less, maybe around 20k-25k, and if you're living at home with parents, 5k is enough a year on food and metrocard. I did my research on costs before picking my dental school and found that NYU would not cost me 700k. For me, it'd be under 500k by graduation including interest, while other state schools I got into costed me about 400-420k including interest and private schools like LECOM or BU costing 450k-600k (Some would be even more than NYU since I'd have to move). I have said that if you are coming here from somewhere else, you're going to pay somewhere close to $620k and I don't recommend that but for anyone living in NYC, it can be done at a huge discount in comparison. That said, the rising tuition is problematic, but this is a problem with all dental schools not just NYU and while I do agree that NYU tuition is high, I also agree with OP that NYU gets more hate even though other privates cost just about nearly as much.

As to what NYU should actually get heat for, it is the administration. Nearly everything you read about the administration is true regarding NYU. I will forever be biased against NYU due to all the terrible administrative decisions they have made since I am here, and it really isn't that long. From rising tuition during covid to not refunding certain things to taking away our break, etc. I swear, someone from the administration is having all these meetings with student government to listen to their concerns and then do exactly the opposite of what students AND faculty want. This is the main reason why people should be turned away from NYU.
 
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@SkinnyT So which part of my argument are you downvoting? The price or the amount of patients that NYU students get? I don't mind discussing it and why you think I am wrong.
 
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Sure and thats a lot of money to borrow, I agree. My point is as close to 700k as it may be, its not anything considerably worse than a lot of other private schools which fly under the radar of "financially literate" sdn posters
bruh 700k debt... I wouldn't be able to sleep at night
 
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For one thing, NYU getting heat for having a large class size makes no sense to me. You have proportional amount of patients, and you're all split up into group practices of roughly 30 students with enough faculty, teaching assistants, and mentors available. The student environment itself is incredibly helpful. There's only about 2.5 dental schools in NYC (NYU, Columbia, and the very distant Touro).
The class size isn’t because of the actual number of students, but bc they have that many students and still charge that much. Other schools that charge that much have what, 70-150 students in a class?
 
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The class size isn’t because of the actual number of students, but bc they have that many students and still charge that much. Other schools that charge that much have what, 70-150 students in a class?
While that's a good and fair point on the ethicality of the administration and what they charge, that's not a good reason not to go to NYU for a student.
 
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While that's a good and fair point on the ethicality of the administration and what they charge, that's not a good reason not to go to NYU for a student.
Oh 100%, but we're talking about why the school gets heat, not why we wouldn't go there. Personally, I wouldn't go there bc its simply too expensive in my case.
 
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Oh 100%, but we're talking about why the school gets heat, not why we wouldn't go there. Personally, I wouldn't go there bc its simply too expensive in my case.
True, but sometimes people misunderstand this point and say things like "400 students? Good luck getting patients or chairs" which paint a bad picture of the clinical experience.
 
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True, but sometimes people misunderstand this point and say things like "400 students? Good luck getting patients or chairs" which paint a bad picture of the clinical experience.
Yeah I see where you're coming from, I read your post on the other thread where you broke down your cousin's numbers. Certainly get a lot of exposure at NYU, so that shouldn't be understated when talking about its pros and cons
 
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@SkinnyT So which part of my argument are you downvoting? The price or the amount of patients that NYU students get? I don't mind discussing it and why you think I am wrong.
Not worth discussing how expensive NYC living is. It is expensive, period. No I don't think $2500 gets you anything "really nice" or decent unless your way out in the outskirts, boondocks where there isn't really anything 'Really nice". I also lived in NY. But hey its your opinion, to each their own. :)
 
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Not worth discussing how expensive NYC living is. It is expensive, period. No I don't think $2500 gets you anything "really nice" or decent unless your way out in the outskirts, boondocks where there isn't really anything 'Really nice". I also lived in NY. But hey its your opinion, to each their own. :)
I can agree with this. NYC is expensive, but I'm just saying that it doesn't have to be 35k a year expensive. Pretty sure most students can manage with 27k or less if they're responsible and frugal. The extravagant students will be 35k+ easy, but for me, I live at home in queens with the fam which is a 40 minute commute, and I save about 100k, and more if I count interest, in comparison to OOS students. If I didn't already live in NYC, I would not even consider NYU. Living here leveled the playing field for me compared to other schools, as other schools I got into were almost as expensive after interest, like BU was gonna cost me 600k due to having to actually pay living expenses.
 
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I can agree with this. NYC is expensive, but I'm just saying that it doesn't have to be 35k a year expensive. Pretty sure most students can manage with 27k or less if they're responsible and frugal. The extravagant students will be 35k+ easy, but for me, I live at home in queens with the fam which is a 40 minute commute, and I save about 100k, and more if I count interest, in comparison to OOS students. If I didn't already live in NYC, I would not even consider NYU. Living here leveled the playing field for me compared to other schools, as other schools I got into were almost as expensive after interest, like BU was gonna cost me 600k due to having to actually pay living expenses.

Yes I see what your are saying, I deff agree :thumbup:
 
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You're right about NYU's price being on par with a lot of other expensive schools.

But I think because they accept so many more students than those other similarly priced schools, you have a lot more pre-dents inquiring about NYU or if NYU is worth it.

And then due to this need of financially educating way more people about NYU in particular, the online community has naturally given NYU the expensive school 'mascot' role, because it is talked about the most.
 
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It has the highest tuition (not including anything except for pure tuition) of all the schools you listed...
You should look up their pure tuition because it actually doesn't.

USC:
Tuition$101,145

BU Tuition is only 3k lower at 83k per year, Columbia is the same as NYU at 85k.
 

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You should look up their pure tuition because it actually doesn't.

USC:
Tuition$101,145

BU Tuition is only 3k lower at 83k per year, Columbia is the same as NYU at 85k.

You are correct, my mistake for USC. However, I will note USC gets bagged on here very heavily too as an overpriced school. Check the first few pages of this forum, there are multiple threads. It has also received national press (Wall Street Journal) about its students' dental debt, and NYU hasn't (despite NYU accepting/graduating 2.5x the amount of students as USC).

Here's two, there's more:

UoP comes out to ~$2k more a year "total" than NYU, but shaving an entire year off of dental school (and getting into workforce/training a year earlier) is a very unique benefit that makes it hard to give an apples to apples comparison with the other expensive private schools.
 
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You are correct, my mistake for USC. However, I will note USC gets bagged on here very heavily too as an overpriced school. Check the first few pages of this forum, there are multiple threads. It has also received national press (Wall Street Journal) about its students' dental debt, and NYU hasn't (despite NYU accepting/graduating 2.5x the amount of students as USC).

Here's two, there's more:

UoP comes out to ~$2k more a year "total" than NYU, but shaving an entire year off of dental school (and getting into workforce/training a year earlier) is a very unique benefit that makes it hard to give an apples to apples comparison with the other expensive private schools.
I agree, I just wanted to point out that it actually wasn't the highest, and even at it's price point, it was quite close to other some other private schools.
 
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35k for living expenses in NYC is not inflated. Source : I'm from NYC.
I've lived in NYC and I can tell you it is. The 35k figure is just for rent and food, and they accounted an extra 5k for personal expenses. 40k a year for a student is a lot, whether in NYC or not
 
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I disagree with the idea that you can rip a school that costs around 700k too much. It gets singled out because NYU paints a really good example of an insanely expensive school. It's a great way to illustrate the issues with the costs of dental education. It's the poster child of insane dental debt. Same with USC. It is also universally accepted on here that all private schools cost way too much. Nobody sweeps that under the rug.
 
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I disagree with the idea that you can rip a school that costs around 700k too much. It gets singled out because NYU paints a really good example of an insanely expensive school. It's a great way to illustrate the issues with the costs of dental education. It's the poster child of insane dental debt. Same with USC. It is also universally accepted on here that all private schools cost way too much. Nobody sweeps that under the rug.
I disagree with the assertion that it costs around 700k. Living within reasonable means would put the entire COA at around 480,000 pre interest and 540,000 post interest compounding for 4 years. Is that a huge amount of money? yes. But the 700k figure is grossly exaggerated.

Taking out full allowed amount of loans, which imo is totally unnecessary would put you at 630k post interest. Much closer to 700k but still not close enough to round up.
 

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I disagree with the assertion that it costs around 700k. Living within reasonable means would put the entire COA at around 480,000 pre interest and 540,000 post interest compounding for 4 years. Is that a huge amount of money? yes. But the 700k figure is grossly exaggerated.

Taking out full allowed amount of loans, which imo is totally unnecessary would put you at 630k post interest. Much closer to 700k but still not close enough to round up.
This debate has been hashed out before and is largely irrelevant because you're committing financial suicide either way, but regardless my point stands. NYU and USC are tools for illustrating insane dental school debt. Nobody is pretending they're the only schools that are unreasonably expensive.
 
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I disagree with the assertion that it costs around 700k. Living within reasonable means would put the entire COA at around 480,000 pre interest and 540,000 post interest compounding for 4 years. Is that a huge amount of money? yes. But the 700k figure is grossly exaggerated.

Taking out full allowed amount of loans, which imo is totally unnecessary would put you at 630k post interest. Much closer to 700k but still not close enough to round up.
You aren't taking into account how long it takes someone to pay that amount of money off (all while interest is accruing). In their interview session Columbia disclosed that it takes their students a median of 16 years to pay off the loans. Add interest at 4 or 5% for 10 years (only) and you are at 700k.
 
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Im not necessarily disagreeing with anything you said. I just think its interesting how NYU particularly is sensationalized on this forum. People like that student loan planner guy make a post, deceptively saying it costs "$700k" to attend (it doesnt), and impressionable pre dents read that and start crapping on NYU and in the same breath applying to other schools which are essentially just as expensive.
dear impressionable pre-dents reading this do not apply to ANY school costing 400k+...whether in LA, NYC, Boston, Philly or hell anywhere.

They will ALL screw you over for decades.

540 may be less than 700...but it is still an INSANE amount of debt
 
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so with all being said, stay away from NYU if possible :dead:
 
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