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MEP will forward your application to Ochsner when it is complete. This can be pretty rapid (a couple of days) as long as you aren't missing any part of your application. If you are eligible for an interview then Ochsner Clinical School will contact you with information regarding the process. This also is typically fairly quick depending upon how many applications they are going through. Decisions are made by the University of Queensland 6-8 weeks after the entire application packet is sent to UQ. The earliest decisions for the 2017 cohort are expected in April.
Which lectures were these? I attended and watched lectures when I couldn't go, so far I haven't seen any repeated lectures. Unless you referred to the Research info sessions - they're really trying to push research here - I never went to those except the one at orientation.Just to highlight the ridiculousness. We had the same lecture (same professor, slides, and sentences verbatum) THREE TIMES in two weeks. I... don't understand, and neither does anyone else. They lecture us on being professional and not wasting people's time and yet they just killed 6 hours of ours
Which lectures were these? I attended and watched lectures when I couldn't go, so far I haven't seen any repeated lectures. Unless you referred to the Research info sessions - they're really trying to push research here - I never went to those except the one at orientation.
I find UQ teaching quality awesome (9 out of 10 profs are fantastic lecturers). But the material covered is cursory. So expect to go through various resources to find what works best for you in the first few weeks here. I have found what works for me, sort of, and this is the 3rd week. Expect to study for the USMLE on your own because the materials covered by UQ are not enough to pass the USMLE. Again, IDK why so many people complained about teaching at UQ because I find that teaching quality is great! Professors are very enthusiastic and knowledgeable.
UQ is indeed disorganized as many people have said. And that is administrative stuff, eg, class schedules aren't updated until the day before. It's because the class is 540 (about 30-40 will drop out after 1st year) but it's not an excuse IMO. Other than that, everything is great if you are an independent learner. Life in Australia can be hard because of high cost of living and hot weather, and being so far away from home, but it's minor complaints of mine.
One major complaint about UQ: Cost of attendance is AWFUL. Honestly it shouldn't cost half as much...
What? Who made you pay for a student ID? It costs nothing.I agree, I really like our professors. I think a few of them are new though. Our ethics teacher is. If you haven't watched the online lecture from last week, you'll see why people were complaining last year. It's painful. I had to put it on 1.5x and have a beer every 20 minutes or so.
It's really not that difficult to make a program to schedule us. It's really not. For half of one student's tuition they can hire a Silicon Valley bro-grammer and get it done. And if they don't want to spend the time and resources, then they should decrease class size until they are adept. There are really no excuses for their level of ineptitude. I had to walk across campus to multiple sites just to pay them cash for a student ID. It's like they threw darts at a map to place administrative services.
Anyway, I've stopped going to lectures and will start doing only what works for me, since their structure definitely doesn't.
There is a rumor that Ochsner second years are suing the school about tuition discrepancies.
It is not MMI. The interview consists of you and two faculty at the same time. They have 5 questions based on the domains you are given in advance. You have 6 minutes to answer each question but are not required to take the full time. They basically want as many examples of your life as possible to answer each question. It was a fairly simple and straightforward interview. Nothing to stress too much over.Hi, for those that have interviewed I was told the question style is similar to MMI. Is this true? You get 6 minutes to answer each question. Also, how would you prepare for the interview?
No. The cut-offs are strict.Does anyone know of people being accepted below the GPA or MCAT cut off?
Yup, the research "class" is exactly what I'm talking about. It was in Orientation. It was in the special Ochsner presentation during Orientation, where they drill into you exactly how much debt you've taken on (like we didn't already know) along with a lecture about how UQ may press the "work/life balance" but we don't get to pretend to have that luxury, so get on our USMLE ASAP. And then they sprung it on us again last week during the "you don't have lecture but, wait a minute... i guess you do, i have no idea why your schedule doesn't reflect that -- oops. Stay seated." session.
My roomie was talking about it in his CBL and his tutor picked up on the conversation and seemed concerned. Either they were purposefully wasting our time, or she seriously didn't remember pushing it on us twice already.
I'm glad they want us to do research, they just don't have any financial incentives to do it. The MPH is $27k... where do they expect us to procure that?
Does anyone know of people being accepted below the GPA or MCAT cut off?
my packet was sent out 2.25.16 and I believe they said they were going to get back to me in May.....
I have a 3.46 Undergrad GPA/3.5 Graduate GPA/502(2nd attempt)/Teaching Anatomy Certification(completing and factored into graduate GPA)/Plenty of EC's and Service
does anyone know if that would be any good for them over there
Where do the Ochsner students usually take the Step 1 test, in New Orleans or in Australia? Which month of the 2nd year do they finish the Australian phase, and when do they move to Ochsner?most recent Step I statistics - from Ochsner admin:
"Approximately, 37% of the third-year class did not sit the USMLE. The average score dropped to 224 from 225. The pass rate was 91%. "
depending on the individuals.Where do the Ochsner students usually take the Step 1 test, in New Orleans or in Australia? Which month of the 2nd year do they finish the Australian phase, and when do they move to Ochsner?
I am just taking it at home before I move down to New Orleans.Where do the Ochsner students usually take the Step 1 test, in New Orleans or in Australia? Which month of the 2nd year do they finish the Australian phase, and when do they move to Ochsner?
Historically, first decisions aren't made until the end of April. I interviewed in January and was told I'd hear back by May.Has anyone heard back as to a decision yet? I interviewed on March 11th I believe there was one group who interviewed earlier, in the Jan pool but I wasn't sure if anyone from March has gotten a decision on their application yet?
Thanks! Lots of things to do during that time. They may also have to electives at the same time?depending on the individuals.
the pre-clinical phase ends in November.
rotations start in January
Historically, first decisions aren't made until the end of April. I interviewed in January and was told I'd hear back by May.
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Electives are between Y1 and Y2.Thanks! Lots of things to do during that time. They may also have to electives at the same time?
Thanks!Electives are between Y1 and Y2.
Sigh.... It's called both. And yes it is mandatory but they are still called an elective. That is what everyone refers to them as in my cohort. You can elect where you want to go or if you want to do research or not.It is not electives. It is mandatory 8-week full time observership in the summer.
Sigh.... It's called both. And yes it is mandatory but they are still called an elective. That is what everyone refers to them as in my cohort. You can elect where you want to go or if you want to do research or not.
Yeah... This is a hassle as that winter is residency interview time. I hope they'll change it soon.Then you go back to Australia in your fourth year to do an 8 week rotation?
You can actually do two if you want. A few students this year are doing double rotations in Australia since they are already down here. Most people elect to do the surgical rotation in Australia since the hours are far less ****ty than doing it at Ochsner.Then you go back to Australia in your fourth year to do an 8 week rotation?
i've heard they're trying to change that so students will no longer have to do rotation in AU... is that right?You can actually do two if you want. A few students this year are doing double rotations in Australia since they are already down here. Most people elect to do the surgical rotation in Australia since the hours are far less ****ty than doing it at Ochsner.
Winter (I guess it is in Australia, but not in the US)? You do it during the beginning/middle of your fourth year. In fact, I just met with a 4th year mentor that is doing it right now - she is halfway through. There are a number of them currently down here.Yeah... This is a hassle as that winter is residency interview time. I hope they'll change it soon.
Yeah, I don't think that is changing. OMSA put together a proposal that since we do 8 weeks between Y1 and Y2, that should cover the requirement. The AMC is arguing that because the elective is between Y1 and Y2, students lack real clinical perspective since their knowledge base is far worse than it is during fourth year where you are developing clinical skills instead of focusing on science. The AMC also requires 16 weeks, which is why we do 8 weeks between Y1/Y2 and then at least 8 weeks in Y4. From the AMCs perspective it makes sense why they still want one during the 4th year, but it sucks for us.i've heard they're trying to change that so students will no longer have to do rotation in AU... is that right?
wait, it is 8 weeks in Y4, not 4 weeks?Yeah, I don't think that is changing. OMSA put together a proposal that since we do 8 weeks between Y1 and Y2, that should cover the requirement. The AMC is arguing that because the elective is between Y1 and Y2, students lack real clinical perspective since their knowledge base is far worse than it is during fourth year where you are developing clinical skills instead of focusing on science. The AMC also requires 16 weeks, which is why we do 8 weeks between Y1/Y2 and then at least 8 weeks in Y4. From the AMCs perspective it makes sense why they still want one during the 4th year, but it sucks for us.
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question for everyone:
how would you compare UQ-O to Atlantic Bridge in Ireland?
Atlantic Bridge in Ireland:question for everyone:
how would you compare UQ-O to Atlantic Bridge in Ireland?
why do you say that when non-EU have almost no chance of staying in EU?Atlantic Bridge in Ireland:
- better for practicing in Europe in future
why do you say that when non-EU have almost no chance of staying in EU?
i probably won't go to Ireland. still it doesn't hurt to figure out everything.
i like UQ, but i don't deny that there are pros and cons.
90% match rate but 37% of a class of +/-100 put off Step 1 this year, that's about 40 students in a class not taking Step 1.
UQ essentially takes away 3/4 of summer break by that 8-week observership, leaving 2 weeks free. good luck studying for USMLE. that also means i don't get to see my partner for 2 years. Ireland is a lot closer geographically and allows minimum 2-month summer breaks. in worst case scenario, being able to practice in EU would be better than in AU.
UQ requires you to fly back to AU for ONE rotation in 4th year (for me it's 30+ hours flight one-way).
tuition is outrageously crazy ($64k USD/year tuition alone and increasing).
the Ochsner class is 120-something but aren't cohesive (some of them talked badly about others since the 1st week of class; some outright refuse to share resources/harddrive).
exams are not made by professors but by a "lead educators" team; that's why exam questions are unpredictable.
disappointed that we do not have mock/real patient contact until 2nd half of 2nd year... Ireland allows patient contact since first day; I've also heard that clinical training in Ireland is superb.
i did. but Sackler's location alone is a no-no for me: i don't like missiles flying over my head, army killing children just 1-2 hour drive from me, and missile sirens waking me up at nights.Have you considered Sackler?
i did. but Sackler's location alone is a no-no for me: i don't like rockets flying over my head, army killing children just 1-2 hour drive from me, or missile sirens waking me up at nights.
I feel like these are questions that should have been answered before decididing to go to UQ, not once you are already in the program.why do you say that when non-EU have almost no chance of staying in EU?
i probably won't go to Ireland. still it doesn't hurt to figure out everything.
i like UQ, but i don't deny that there are pros and cons.
90% match rate but 37% of a class of +/-100 put off Step 1 this year, that's about 40 students in a class not taking Step 1.
UQ essentially takes away 3/4 of summer break by that 8-week observership, leaving 2 weeks free. good luck studying for USMLE. that also means i don't get to see my partner for 2 years. Ireland is a lot closer geographically and allows minimum 2-month summer breaks. in worst case scenario, being able to practice in EU would be better than in AU.
UQ requires you to fly back to AU for ONE rotation in 4th year (for me it's 30+ hours flight one-way).
lectures are meh, must study a lot on your own.
tuition is outrageously crazy ($64k USD/year tuition alone and increasing).
the Ochsner class is 120-something but aren't cohesive (some of them talked badly about others since the 1st week of class; some outright refuse to share resources/harddrive).
exams are not made by professors but by a "lead educators" team; that's why exam questions are unpredictable.
disappointed that we do not have mock/real patient contact until 2nd half of 2nd year... Ireland allows patient contact since first day; I've also heard that clinical training in Ireland is superb.
you simply don't ask "how many people put off the USMLE", "how cooperative is the cohort?" or "who made the exams"...I feel like these are questions that should have been answered before decididing to go to UQ, not once you are already in the program.