VA to remove anesthesiologists

[deleted171991]

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It worked out so well for those 68 GoFundMe'ers in Michigan ...

No one is immune to market forces. Not even unified hero-worshipped media "savvy" nurses.

Hence the new expression to use, when firing militant CRNAs: "Go fund yourself!" 😛

 

[BLADEMDA]

Of all the things you could have picked, you picked law school to use as a counter-example?

LOL.

Graduate from a non top-20 med school and you're still a fully licensed MD and can get a job just about anywhere. Graduate from a non top-20 law school and...good luck finding a job that doesn't involve being a paralegal.

So which is the better choice Harvard Law or Harvard Med School? I'll even give you a Neurosurgery or Derm residency post Harvard med.

 

[Planktonmd]

Hence the new expression to use, when firing militant CRNAs: "Go fund yourself!" 😛

 

[pgg]

So which is the better choice Harvard Law or Harvard Med School? I'll even give you a Neurosurgery or Derm residency post Harvard med.

As usual your advice is "be brilliant" ... 🙂

The top 0.1% who go to Harvard Law and finish near the top could've gone anywhere and done anything in any field.

Medicine on average is BY FAR the superior career choice for the bottom 90% in terms of income and job security.

 

[amLOLdipine]

So which is the better choice Harvard Law or Harvard Med School? I'll even give you a Neurosurgery or Derm residency post Harvard med.

For someone that brilliant... I'd say drop out of college and start a company like Facebook instead 😉

 

[deleted50478]

For someone that brilliant... I'd say drop out of college and start a company like Facebook instead 😉

How brilliant do you need to be to rip off Myspace?

 

[GravelRider]

As usual your advice is "be brilliant" ... 🙂

The top 0.1% who go to Harvard Law and finish near the top could've gone anywhere and done anything in any field.

Medicine on average is BY FAR the superior career choice for the bottom 90% in terms of income and job security.

Is that still the case when you take into consideration cost of medical school attendance, interest on over 300k loans, opportunity cost during med school and residency, and declining physician reimbursement? There are also non-economic factors such as increasing physician burnout and dissatisfaction rates. I would argue that unless you are in the super elite who can go to Harvard Law (or start your own Silicon Valley company), you are better off getting a good bachelor's degree and get a well-paying job, such as an actuary or accountant and live a modest life. A decent MBA might even be a better investment than an MD.

I don't think medical school is "by far" the superior choice for us slightly above average Joes anymore. I used to say only go into medicine because you love it, but all of the "fun" is being sucked out by the government and corporatization.

 

[aneftp]

For someone that brilliant... I'd say drop out of college and start a company like Facebook instead 😉

Most people at "startups" have access/connection to big money investors (or friends of investors).

It's rare to have some Joe blow from middle town USA have access to private equity investors to front them the money to grow.

Zuckerberg came from affluent family to began with. So did his friends from Harvard. They can take big chances since mommy and daddy at support them

Same with say Washington redskins owner Daniel synder. His daddy was some president of the bank. Danny boy blew like a big investment in another venture but his daddy still got him another venture which he eventually succeeded in "synder communications" which made him a billionaire.

 

[pgg]

Is that still the case when you take into consideration cost of medical school attendance, interest on over 300k loans, opportunity cost during med school and residency, and declining physician reimbursement? There are also non-economic factors such as increasing physician burnout and dissatisfaction rates. I would argue that unless you are in the super elite who can go to Harvard Law (or start your own Silicon Valley company), you are better off getting a good bachelor's degree and get a well-paying job, such as an actuary or accountant and live a modest life. A decent MBA might even be a better investment than an MD.

I don't think medical school is "by far" the superior choice for us slightly above average Joes anymore. I used to say only go into medicine because you love it, but all of the "fun" is being sucked out by the government and corporatization.

What I wrote is that medicine is by far the superior choice compared to law school. Law school is a debt and un/under-employment disaster for all but the top tier.

I don't disagree that a bachelor's degree and a nice job is a good path. I think I'd have been happy as an engineer, maybe, though certainly not as prosperous as I am now ... medicine has worked out well for me, even in my gov't job.

 

[Twiggidy]

So which is the better choice Harvard Law or Harvard Med School? I'll even give you a Neurosurgery or Derm residency post Harvard med.

Give me that Harvard Law degree anyway. I'll trade my current MD for the Harvard Degree and take a markup on my loans for the Harvard Law degree. The work "Harvard" opens SO many doors. I try not to go too political on here, but a big reason our current president is where he (and his wife) are is because of that Harvard degree. Heck, even Rivers Cuomo put Weezer on hold to get a Harvard degree (doesn't mean too much in his field but still)

Harvard Law vs Harvard Med : Bit of a wash, but I'll take the law degree
Harvard Med vs Most other Meds: I'll likely take the cheapest option
Harvard Law vs Most other Meds: Harvard...I could be president, or attorney general, or a bunch of other things that non Harvard grads have nearly zero chance of getting
Most Law vs Most Med: go for stability. go to med school. try not let your classmates who didn't get into med school sue you

Edit: To answer BLADE's question
I'll take the post Harvard derm residency even if it means staving off my classmates Hunger Games style

 

[nimbus]

I know more burnt out lawyers than burnt out doctors.

If you enjoy your daily work life and your coworkers, it is a gift. Better than winning the lotto.

 

[Planktonmd]

If you think the world of medicine is full of sharks trying to feed on the small fish, try to imagine the world of lawyers!
I mean the whole scheme of fake partnerships and abused junior associates was invented by lawyers!

 

[Twiggidy]

I know more burnt out lawyers than burnt out doctors.

If you enjoy your daily work life and your coworkers, it is a gift. Better than winning the lotto.

This is 1000% true. A good job with good hours (probably no call), good coworkers, and good pay will keep most people completely satisfied. Most of us are on here venting likely because there is some aspect of our current work that we can't stand and we need a place for perspective or a place for release.. Thank goodness for the Private forum.

 

[Twiggidy]

If you think the world of medicine is full of sharks trying to feed on the small fish, try to imagine the world of lawyers!
I mean the whole scheme of fake partnerships and abused junior associates was invented by lawyers!

Also true....although I do ask myself whether I want to sit in an office all night (likely drinking but maybe not) reading over legal documents or in a hospital (sober...you better be) answering labor calls or waiting for the next surgical mess. I honestly don't know the answer to that question. Both have positives (the scotch) and negatives (the labor calls/the scotch hangover) lol