Vaccine mandates

[T-burglar]

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Lmao yea the problem in this country is we are transferring too much wealth from the meritous rich to the filthy poor .

America only had its anomalously prosperous period with its strong middle class directly resultant from Socialist new deal policies

 

[aafisahar]

Lmao, is this the new schtick from the idiotic “muh freedums” crowd? Comparing vaccine mandates to the Holocaust? Gtfo you troll.

Vivisecting twins and getting a life saving shot for free that's FDA approved are exactly the same.

 

[deleted126335]

The notion that everyone in America who’s rich and successful got that way based purely on merit is a right-wing pipe dream that has never been true and never will be.

That's the dream. Was somewhat more attainable in the past. It's never been true anywhere. It's less untrue in the USA.

 

[vector2]

That's the dream. Was somewhat more attainable in the past. It's never been true anywhere. It's less untrue in the USA.

It's more untrue in the US than almost anywhere else in the first world.

 

[gasdoc77]

Party like it’s 1999. Stop working. Spend and consume as much as possible. Eat badly, drink heavily, lots of sex and drugs. Duh.

Maybe most of America is wiser to this than we give credit.

 

[aneftp]

As a side question about the 100 employees. A company like envision has side companies for almost every individual practice. So does envision even have 100 employees ? Every contract at their hospitals have different llc or whatever for that specific location

so the 100 employee threshold can be circumvented with the vaccine mandate

 

[deleted126335]

It's more untrue in the US than almost anywhere else in the first world.

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Don't disagree that social mobility in the USA has been declining for decades and that this is the source of the lion's share of ills in this country. But, for about 100 years, immigrating to the USA was much of the world's dream. We used to be the country club with a billion person waiting list to get in. To deny that is simply inaccurate.

 

[vector2]

Don't disagree that social mobility in the USA has been declining for decades and that this is the source of the lion's share of ills in this country. But, for about 100 years, immigrating to the USA was much of the world's dream. We used to be the country club with a billion person waiting list to get in. To deny that is simply inaccurate.

Yep, we used to be. Unfortunately, nowadays most mentions of the American Dream are in Heritage Foundation propaganda brochures about the importance of repealing the estate tax.

 

[Status Sciaticus]

The taxes need to be raised just to pay for current entitlements and programs. Responsible government would be taking in enough money to pay for those promises already made to its citizens. By creating more social programs and entitlements the decline of the USA becomes almost inevitable as the cycle of debt, spending and more public assistance leads to inflation with the decline in the purchasing power of the US Dollar.

While you may not pay the price for this massive socialism your children will.

Dont have children. Problem Solved.
If you already have children, you fcuked up.

 

[NITRAS]

Dont have children. Problem Solved.
If you already have children, you fcuked up.

You might look at China for what happens when people don’t have kids. These big Social programs need big tax bases of workers to support the non-workers.

 

[vector2]

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Like other Republican governors around the country, Tate Reeves of Mississippi reacted angrily to the coronavirus vaccine mandates President Biden imposed on private businesses. Declaring the move “terrifying,” he wrote on Twitter: “This is still America, and we still believe in freedom from tyrants.”

There is a deep inconsistency in that argument. Mississippi has some of the strictest vaccine mandates in the nation, which have not drawn opposition from most of its elected officials. Not only does it require children to be vaccinated against measles, mumps and seven other diseases to attend school, but it goes a step further than most states by barring parents from claiming “religious, philosophical or conscientious” exemptions."

G.O.P. Seethes at Biden Mandate, Even in States Requiring Other Vaccines (Published 2021)

Resistance to vaccine mandates, once a fringe position, has entered the Republican mainstream. But the governors fighting President Biden’s Covid-19 requirements impose mandates of their own.

www.nytimes.com

Where were all the trolls invoking Mengele when MS implemented a MMR mandate?

 

[deleted126335]

"
Like other Republican governors around the country, Tate Reeves of Mississippi reacted angrily to the coronavirus vaccine mandates President Biden imposed on private businesses. Declaring the move “terrifying,” he wrote on Twitter: “This is still America, and we still believe in freedom from tyrants.”

There is a deep inconsistency in that argument. Mississippi has some of the strictest vaccine mandates in the nation, which have not drawn opposition from most of its elected officials. Not only does it require children to be vaccinated against measles, mumps and seven other diseases to attend school, but it goes a step further than most states by barring parents from claiming “religious, philosophical or conscientious” exemptions."

G.O.P. Seethes at Biden Mandate, Even in States Requiring Other Vaccines (Published 2021)

Resistance to vaccine mandates, once a fringe position, has entered the Republican mainstream. But the governors fighting President Biden’s Covid-19 requirements impose mandates of their own.

www.nytimes.com

Where were all the trolls invoking Mengele when MS implemented a MMR mandate?

 

[Status Sciaticus]

You might look at China for what happens when people don’t have kids. These big Social programs need big tax bases of workers to support the non-workers.

right, but the key difference is that the one child policy wasnt just about wealth consolidation, but also overpopulation and prevention of further poverty or vertical mobilization downwards. Here, what I am arguing is that if you dont want your children to pay some bill, then dont have kids. Obviously it was meant to be a joke, but looking at it in a practical sense, borrowing money for tangible benefits such as infrastructure and manufacturing/service development will be yielding revenues that were not previously there, thus leading to more tax collection with which to pay off both a piece of the debt, as well as the accruing interest.

 

[pgg]

this is nothing more than sending a message.
with places already having a hard time staffing, if you force everyone in healthcare to get the vaccine, you will see an even more difficult time staffing hospitals.

Meh

If you take every unvaccinated healthcare worker in America right now, for every one who's a Trumpcult TikTok'er drawing a line in the sand and saying they're willing to get fired, there are 50 who'll grumble, but get vaccinated to avoid becoming homeless. Let the vocal ones be martyrs if they want.

Hospital staffing will improve in short order, as fewer and fewer staff will have to miss work because of infection or exposure.

The mandate for healthcare workers should've happened about 20 seconds after FDA approved the Pfizer vaccine.

 

[vector2]

Hospital Pauses Baby Deliveries as Workers Quit Over Vaccines

Lewis County Health System in upstate New York announced Friday that it will pause maternity and delivery services this month after some employees quit rather than get a COVID-19 vaccine.

www.medscape.com

 

[sevoflurane]

Hospital Pauses Baby Deliveries as Workers Quit Over Vaccines

Lewis County Health System in upstate New York announced Friday that it will pause maternity and delivery services this month after some employees quit rather than get a COVID-19 vaccine.

www.medscape.com

So dumb.
Can’t believe peoples unwillingness to get the vaccine.
And holy crap…. Just spent the better part of the week at Disney/Universal studios and probably 5%~10% of people were wearing masks at those parks including the obese, O2 dependent, etc. Talk about a continual super spreader event.

Made my way to St. Thomas today and nearly everyone is wearing masks here. It’s like we have pockets of dumb throughout the country.

 

[ocopa]

Meh

If you take every unvaccinated healthcare worker in America right now, for every one who's a Trumpcult TikTok'er drawing a line in the sand and saying they're willing to get fired, there are 50 who'll grumble, but get vaccinated to avoid becoming homeless. Let the vocal ones be martyrs if they want.

Stadiums full of Trumpcult TikTok'er expressing their displeasure in the Biden presidency and his Vaccine mandate?

College students chant 'F--- Joe Biden' at football games

College football fans have started chanting "F--- Joe Biden!" in the stands during games, and Saturday marked the second weekend of taunts directed toward the president.

www.foxnews.com

Donald Trump Jr. predicted that the trend will continue. He said the Biden presidency has "gotten so bad that the media can't run cover for him anymore."

Biden getting trolled by, Trumpcult TikTok'er, kids at an event this weekend.

Even if this vaccine mandate miraculously survives the legal challenges, does Biden still have the political capital to enforce the vaccine mandate?

 

[MirrorTodd]

Stadiums full of Trumpcult TikTok'er expressing their displeasure in the Biden presidency and his Vaccine mandate?

College students chant 'F--- Joe Biden' at football games

College football fans have started chanting "F--- Joe Biden!" in the stands during games, and Saturday marked the second weekend of taunts directed toward the president.

www.foxnews.com

Donald Trump Jr. predicted that the trend will continue. He said the Biden presidency has "gotten so bad that the media can't run cover for him anymore."

Biden getting trolled by, Trumpcult TikTok'er, kids at an event this weekend.

Even if this vaccine mandate miraculously survives the legal challenges, does Biden still have the political capital to enforce the vaccine mandate?

You ever heard of a little something called confirmation bias?

 

[Leon'sMom]

Happening Now: New Yorkers Chant "F**k Joe Biden" as They March on Brooklyn Bridge Against Mandatory Vaccines (VIDEO)

Must be all those Trumpcult Tik Tok'er liberal NYC Democrats that are chanting now. 🙄

 

[RadOncDoc21]

Happening Now: New Yorkers Chant "F**k Joe Biden" as They March on Brooklyn Bridge Against Mandatory Vaccines (VIDEO)

Must be all those Trumpcult Tik Tok'er liberal NYC Democrats that are chanting now. 🙄

You’re right, conservatives can’t travel anywhere.

 

[vector2]

Oh my sweet lord, fifty people on the Brooklyn bridge, ten 5th graders, and a stadium full of halfwit SEC freshmen who just crushed a case of Natty Light…..are in open revolt against Joe Biden. He’s done for. That’s a wrap. Pack it up, guys.

 

[deleted87051]

Stadiums full of Trumpcult TikTok'er expressing their displeasure in the Biden presidency and his Vaccine mandate?

College students chant 'F--- Joe Biden' at football games

College football fans have started chanting "F--- Joe Biden!" in the stands during games, and Saturday marked the second weekend of taunts directed toward the president.

www.foxnews.com

Donald Trump Jr. predicted that the trend will continue. He said the Biden presidency has "gotten so bad that the media can't run cover for him anymore."

Biden getting trolled by, Trumpcult TikTok'er, kids at an event this weekend.

Even if this vaccine mandate miraculously survives the legal challenges, does Biden still have the political capital to enforce the vaccine mandate?

Biden graced those kids with a picture because they are kids and he was in Shanksville to memorialize the 20th anniversary of 9/11. Trump would not have posed with them if they were wearing Biden/Harris gear. Classy move by Biden. I can’t say the same for the parents of those kids. MAGA hats at a 9/11 memorial? GTFO

 

[FutureInternist]

All evidence points to the fact that you don’t understand the other side’s arguments, or the complexity of the issue as a whole, because you constantly throw out stereotypes implying that every liberal wants to take away jobs from a qualified white man to give them to a less qualified POC or a woman.

Sshhhhh…. Don’t tell them our plan 😏

 

[coffeebythelake]

Biden graced those kids with a picture because they are kids and he was in Shanksville to memorialize the 20th anniversary of 9/11. Trump would not have posed with them if they were wearing Biden/Harris gear. Classy move by Biden. I can’t say the same for the parents of those kids. MAGA hats at a 9/11 memorial? GTFO

Honestly it's shameful the parents of these kids dressing them up in MAGA and using them as political tools. Brainwashed

 

[Fart Daddy Smooth]

Vaccine mandates would be a great way to rid hospitals of the willfully ignorant. I'm so tired of seeing medical professionals spreading misinformation and vaccine hesitancy.

Same thing w the police. Forgive me for stereotyping, but I assume there is significant overlap between anti-vaxxer cops and those cops who abuse their power. Purge these radical elements from our society

 

[Leon'sMom]

 

[deleted87051]

She is a professor of philosophy and she believes that the COVID vaccine is “an experimental medical procedure”?

 

[deleted87051]

Vaccine mandates would be a great way to rid hospitals of the willfully ignorant. I'm so tired of seeing medical professionals spreading misinformation and vaccine hesitancy.

Same thing w the police. Forgive me for stereotyping, but I assume there is significant overlap between anti-vaxxer cops and those cops who abuse their power. Purge these radical elements from our society

The LAPD has about a 50% vaccination rate in a county that has a 70+% overall vaccination rate. It’s bizarre how low the vaccination rate is among police. In contrast, I don’t know of a single anesthesiologist who isn’t vaccinated. Most of us have had boosters already. It’s a strange world.

 

[IMGASMD]

The LAPD has about a 50% vaccination rate in a county that has a 70+% overall vaccination rate. It’s bizarre how low the vaccination rate is among police. In contrast, I don’t know of a single anesthesiologist who isn’t vaccinated. Most of us have had boosters already. It’s a strange world.

Darwin hard at work.

 

[coffeebythelake]

She is a professor of philosophy and she believes that the COVID vaccine is “an experimental medical procedure”?

Former professor

 

[vector2]

The march of cynical hypocrites begins...

 

[IMGASMD]

The march of cynical hypocrites begins...

NPR, yes the leftist propaganda machine had a segment this morning. France went from the lowest vaccine rate in Europe to over 85% eligible adults. Only a few thousand people quit their jobs, because of mandate.

To earn money or not to earn money, that is the question.

 

[deleted87051]

The march of cynical hypocrites begins...

Meanwhile in Idaho….

Idaho declares statewide hospital resource crisis amid Covid surge

State officials made the announcement Thursday, which will permit medical facilities to ration health care and triage patients.

www.nbcnews.com

“Prior to the pandemic, experts said borders between states in the region were blurry when it came to patient care. While many of the states are known for their beautiful scenery and wide open terrains, the access to critical medical care can be difficult for the small rural towns that pepper its landscape. The easiest access to medical treatment might be across a border, rather than within a state's boundaries.

Those state boundaries, however, have become a bit starker as hospitals struggle to keep beds open for patients within their own state.
Health leaders in Washington state said that they are attempting to help their neighbors states, but they are keeping a close eye on their own bed space.
“We’ve had to initiate patient placement committees with physicians at our various hospitals to really assess and prioritize — in conversation with these facilities that are wanting to transfer — to really identify who’s at the most risk for higher level of care and what can be managed where they’re at and what cannot be managed where they’re at,” said Peg Currie, the chief operating officer at Providence Health Care in Spokane, Washington, which is a 40-minute drive from Coeur d’Alene and Kootenai Health.
It’s become an ethical challenge, as Washington has been aggressive in its Covid safety measures while Idaho’s state leaders have done little to address the latest surge.”



Prior to the pandemic, experts said borders between states in the region were blurry when it came to patient care. While many of the states are known for their beautiful scenery and wide open terrains, the access to critical medical care can be difficult for the small rural towns that pepper its landscape. The easiest access to medical treatment might be across a border, rather than within a state's boundaries.

Those state boundaries, however, have become a bit starker as hospitals struggle to keep beds open for patients within their own state.
Health leaders in Washington state said that they are attempting to help their neighbors states, but they are keeping a close eye on their own bed space.
“We’ve had to initiate patient placement committees with physicians at our various hospitals to really assess and prioritize — in conversation with these facilities that are wanting to transfer — to really identify who’s at the most risk for higher level of care and what can be managed where they’re at and what cannot be managed where they’re at,” said Peg Currie, the chief operating officer at Providence Health Care in Spokane, Washington, which is a 40-minute drive from Coeur d’Alene and Kootenai Health.
It’s become an ethical challenge, as Washington has been aggressive in its Covid safety measures while Idaho’s state leaders have done little to address the latest surge.

 

[vector2]

Meanwhile in Idaho….

Idaho declares statewide hospital resource crisis amid Covid surge

State officials made the announcement Thursday, which will permit medical facilities to ration health care and triage patients.

www.nbcnews.com

Looks like they selected the best and brightest to lead them

"
NEWS

Idaho governor and lieutenant feud over vaccinations​

By David Aaro, Fox News
September 1, 2021 | 1:05pm

In this May 19, 2021, file photo, Idaho Lt. Gov. Janice McGeachin speaks at a rally on the Statehouse steps in Boise, Idaho. Republican Idaho Lt. Gov. McGeachin says state lawmakers and Republican Gov. Brad Little are failing citizens by not taking action to prevent employers from requiring employees get the COVID-19 vaccine.AP


Idaho’s feuding governor and lieutenant governor are at it again.

As coronavirus cases spike in the state, Gov. Brad Little’s office disclosed Tuesday that he was mobilizing the National Guard again and adding hundreds of new medical personnel for state hospitals.

And with hospitals strained due to unvaccinated patients, he called for more Idahoans “to receive the safe and effective COVID-19 vaccine,” according to a statement from his office.

But Lt. Gov. Janice McGeachin, a fellow Republican who is running to unseat Little for the state’s 2022 GOP gubernatorial nomination, called the governor’s support for vaccinations “shameful.”

“It was shameful for Brad to suggest today that Idahoans must make a specific medical choice in order to show love for their neighbors,” McGeachin tweeted. “You can love your neighbor and still make medical decisions that are right for you. I trust YOU to make your own health choices.”

In July, Saint Alphonsus Health System and St. Luke’s Health System — two of the largest medical care providers in Idaho — announced a vaccine requirement ahead of the busy cold and flu season and as coronavirus variants spread in parts of the US.

After the decision, McGeachin urged Idaho’s hospitals and health care companies to drop their vaccine mandate “so that we may have a chance to sit down together, discuss these issues associated with the mandate and the infringement on personal health care decisions in greater detail,” she said.

“The issue at hand is a matter of individual liberty and freedom,” McGeachin said, according to the Idaho Statesman. “Those who have made the personal medical choice not to take this vaccine deserve to have their decisions respected.”

 

[zizzer]

NPR, yes the leftist propaganda machine

Sure, they can tend to have a bit of liberal bias with their coverage, but I'm curious to see who you would recommend instead. I'm not arguing, but generally curious. I generally tune in to NPR (recognizing bias when it's there) because it's still miles ahead of sources like Fox News and CNN regarding professionalism and bias.

 

[Guillemot]

Sure, they can tend to have a bit of liberal bias with their coverage, but I'm curious to see who you would recommend instead. I'm not arguing, but generally curious. I generally tune in to NPR (recognizing bias when it's there) because it's still miles ahead of sources like Fox News and CNN regarding professionalism and bias.

PBS Newshour is relatively neutral and high quality. Its the best US news TV broadcast IMO.

I cant say how it compares to NPR as I don't listen to NPR.

 

[yappy]

Vaccinations for your health is different than the government making vaccine mandates. For those who are pro-mandate, is there a point at which you would say the government has gone too far? What are your limiting principals on personal autonomy VS government compulsion?

Edited for clarity

 

[deleted87051]

Vaccinations for your health is a different question than the government making mandates. For those who are pro-mandate, is there a point at which you would say the government has gone too far? What are your limiting principals on personal autonomy VS government compulsion?

The government already mandates airbags, seatbelts, brake lights, helmets, and other vaccines. I’ve seen a terrible airbag injury. When are MAGAs gonna make airbags political? In my opinion, the COVID vaccine is no different.

 

[vector2]

Vaccinations for your health is a different question than the government making mandates. For those who are pro-mandate, is there a point at which you would say the government has gone too far? What are your limiting principals on personal autonomy VS government compulsion?

I personally don't like the idea of federal government vaccine mandates, but an ignorant populace and two dozen lunatic GOP governors have made the situation untenable. We are so far through the looking glass that the trust the general public had for science and the craze at which people sought the polio vaccine....those things might as well have happened in an alternate reality.


Also,

 

[D P356]

Pre-vaccine: Hospital/ICUs sadly full of non-vaccinated patients.
post vaccine: Hospital/ICUs mostly full of non-vaccinated patients.
People can still get and spread covid being vaccinated and masked. Quarantines only protect the unvaccinated, most of whom have made their own choice on the matter.

Vaccine has risks, so does covid.

I’m of the mindset that if/when presented with risks/benefits/alternatives, make an informed decision.

Vaccinated travel nurses might become a highly sought after commodity here soon.

 

[DoctwoB]

Pre-vaccine: Hospital/ICUs sadly full of non-vaccinated patients.
post vaccine: Hospital/ICUs mostly full of non-vaccinated patients.
People can still get and spread covid being vaccinated and masked. Quarantines only protect the unvaccinated, most of whom have made their own choice on the matter.

Vaccine has risks, so does covid.

I’m of the mindset that if/when presented with risks/benefits/alternatives, make an informed decision.

Vaccinated travel nurses might become a highly sought after commodity here soon.

"Vaccine has risks, so does covid" is a great example of a true statement that is nonetheless highly misleading. Its the equivalent of saying "Playing russian roulette has risks, but so does walking down the street." Accurate, but the risks are off by multiple orders of magnitude to the point where the risk of one is insignificant in comparison to the other.

 

[MirrorTodd]

Vaccinations for your health is different than the government making vaccine mandates. For those who are pro-mandate, is there a point at which you would say the government has gone too far? What are your limiting principals on personal autonomy VS government compulsion?

Edited for clarity

My limiting principles went out the window the day the TSA was formed.

 

[zizzer]

The government already mandates airbags, seatbelts, brake lights, helmets, and other vaccines. I’ve seen a terrible airbag injury. When are MAGAs gonna make airbags political? In my opinion, the COVID vaccine is no different.

There's even more ground for vaccines because it not getting vaccinated leads to others' harm. I'd rather see it left up to the private sector to make requirements, but we'll see how it goes.

 

[Mman]

The notion that everyone in America who’s rich and successful got that way based purely on merit is a right-wing pipe dream that has never been true and never will be.

As Warren Buffett puts it, I won the "ovarian lottery" when I was born. I mean not the 100th percentile, but pretty close. Being born in the US in the 70s put me ahead of most people ever born in the history of the species. Having parents that cared about my education put me even further ahead. I had literally no input it that, but fortune smiled on me.

Furthermore I have Forrest Gump'd my way through life. Don't get me wrong, I am very smart and very hard working (I am pretty sure I am the smartest person in any room I walk into, but that might be hubris). But the random series of events that lead me to a top 10 medical school, a top 10 residency, and a 99.99th percentile job were not entirely my doing.

 

[IMGASMD]

Sure, they can tend to have a bit of liberal bias with their coverage, but I'm curious to see who you would recommend instead. I'm not arguing, but generally curious. I generally tune in to NPR (recognizing bias when it's there) because it's still miles ahead of sources like Fox News and CNN regarding professionalism and bias.

I apologize for my attempt at shutting down the right leaning members before they light me on fire.

I listen to npr to work. I find most of their stuff pretty interesting.

 

[Ezekiel2517]

“There is a cult of ignorance in the United States. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that ‘my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge’”

-Isaac Asimov

 

[deleted87051]

There's even more ground for vaccines because it not getting vaccinated leads to others' harm. I'd rather see it left up to the private sector to make requirements, but we'll see how it goes.

That’s why I threw brake lights in there.

 

[vector2]

Great read:

The Long History of Vaccine Mandates in America

The Covid-19 pandemic has revived a debate over public health and individual liberty that goes back to colonial times.

www.google.com

 

[D P356]

"Vaccine has risks, so does covid" is a great example of a true statement that is nonetheless highly misleading. Its the equivalent of saying "Playing russian roulette has risks, but so does walking down the street." Accurate, but the risks are off by multiple orders of magnitude to the point where the risk of one is insignificant in comparison to the other.

I agree with you. Which is why I mention the risk/benefits/alternatives of vaccine. my point was that both do have their associated risks. My goal was not to equate the risks.

Presently as we have seen the benefit far outweighs the risk for getting vaccine.

 

[deleted87051]

Pre-vaccine: Hospital/ICUs sadly full of non-vaccinated patients.
post vaccine: Hospital/ICUs mostly full of non-vaccinated patients.

The sad unnecessary truth.

Who would have thought some places would be worse off now than before the vaccine rollout?