VMCAS Questions and Rants c/o 2024

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For other people scrolling by, you can just modify their link to say 2020 instead of 2019 and it will take you to the right portal. Searching "veterinary" is also the only way I got the program to show up as well.

Figured it out! - Their Apply Now button took me to winter 2019 and spring 2020 GradCAS application site.. not the fall 2020.... lol, I had to find a different link for fall 2020 gradCAS
 
So I recently accepted a position at a vet-related internship. However, it doesn't begin immediately (in a month or two). Is there a way to mention it/take credit for it on VMCAS? It might be a little late for that, but it would be really awesome to be able add it to my hours!
 
So I recently accepted a position at a vet-related internship. However, it doesn't begin immediately (in a month or two). Is there a way to mention it/take credit for it on VMCAS? It might be a little late for that, but it would be really awesome to be able add it to my hours!

You can keep adding in new experiences. I think you could add it now and put the start date in or wait until you start to add it. I'm not entirely sure when VMCAS no longer allows applicants to add new experiences in, but I think it is for a while as they let you add in grade updates for "In Progress"/"Planned" classes into at least January of the next year (maybe later, but I'm not entirely sure...).
 
So I recently accepted a position at a vet-related internship. However, it doesn't begin immediately (in a month or two). Is there a way to mention it/take credit for it on VMCAS? It might be a little late for that, but it would be really awesome to be able add it to my hours!
You can keep adding in new experiences. I think you could add it now and put the start date in or wait until you start to add it. I'm not entirely sure when VMCAS no longer allows applicants to add new experiences in, but I think it is for a while as they let you add in grade updates for "In Progress"/"Planned" classes into at least January of the next year (maybe later, but I'm not entirely sure...).
You unfortunately cannot add future hours or experiences to your application, only ones that have already started. If it’s added and something happens where you don’t end up doing that experience, you’ve now just essentially lied on your application.
When I applied I was able to still add an experience mid October and then shortly after it was closed for additions. Since it’s after the deadline your schools may not except it regardless, if they’ve already downloaded your application. But you could contact each school once the experience starts and see if they would let you add the experience to your application.
 
You unfortunately cannot add future hours or experiences to your application, only ones that have already started. If it’s added and something happens where you don’t end up doing that experience, you’ve now just essentially lied on your application.
When I applied I was able to still add an experience mid October and then shortly after it was closed for additions. Since it’s after the deadline your schools may not except it regardless, if they’ve already downloaded your application. But you could contact each school once the experience starts and see if they would let you add the experience to your application.

What if we are starting but it is a set time length commitment? Should we still just add what we have done as we go then email them about it?
 
What if we are starting but it is a set time length commitment? Should we still just add what we have done as we go then email them about it?
If you have already started the experience you can add it to vmcas as a current experience and just put in the description when the experience ends. But only put the hours at how many you’ve completed when you add it and don’t add future hours that you’re supposed to get for that experience. Doesn’t hurt to email the schools and let them know that you added an experience so they can redownload your app.
 
Yes, they require 2. They just have you put the evaluators emails in and they send them a link to it similar to how VMCAS does it. I spoke to my evaluators to make sure they got the emails and they did. Something that’s also interesting about this application is that they only really look at your pre-reqs. They only had me enter my pre-req grades on the transcript entry section instead of my entire transcript.
Hating myself for not catching this a few hours ago and entering every.single.class I ever took at all the institutions I attended. At least they're only actually going to look at the pre-reqs. :arghh:
 
Hating myself for not catching this a few hours ago and entering every.single.class I ever took at all the institutions I attended. At least they're only actually going to look at the pre-reqs. :arghh:

Oh no yeah I almost missed it too and read it over a bunch of times just to be sure because I couldn’t believe it. I also checked their website and it says “Grades in other courses will not be considered for admissions purposes.”
 
Verified! Officially 8 business days after submission. Now we wait! Unfortunately looks like I miscalculated my science GPA and am under the recommended minimum for UF. Stinks to have essentially wasted the money (even if I did stand a very unlikely chance of getting in anyway...) :-(
 
So who all is going to apply to the University of Arizona's College of Veterinary Medicine that is awaiting accreditation from AVMA?
 
Just a thought-wait to apply until it opens on VMCAS Jan 2020 per their website-you'd save money and time especially by then you would have a better idea of where you stand with the majority of schools ie interviews or rejections, some even acceptances. Also you wouldn't have to refill everything out. They aren't accepting their first class until fall 2020 like all the other schools. I'd just wait until more info is available. Plus I would personally want more info on how they plan to evaluate applicants before potentially throwing away more money. I do urge anyone who is thinking of applying to U of A if they get AVMA COE support to seriously evaluate yourself and if you think you'll be able to handle the year round schedule. It's a huge commitment and time suck just on the regular 4 year system. Don't apply just because you think it'll be easier to get in or applying just to get in somewhere to be a vet-burn out and mental health is real. Vet school is hard. Set yourself up for success from the beginning.

TLDR: think long and hard about your choices because its a lot of time, energy, money, effort, and mental drain. Don't apply somewhere just because you think it'll be easier to get in.
 
These are really good points. I’ve finally had a chance to go through their new website and as someone who has been attending all of their info sessions, I’d also like to point out that they haven’t been transparent about cost. I’m actually extremely disappointed that they’re going for $45k/year for in-state residents when it isn’t accredited all while touting how cost-effective it will be. No summer jobs and a distributive model that means a lot of commuting will be difficult in my opinion. I never followed how other schools came to fruition—- is it expected for them to charge that much for the inaugural class when it’s such a gamble??

Just a thought-wait to apply until it opens on VMCAS Jan 2020 per their website-you'd save money and time especially by then you would have a better idea of where you stand with the majority of schools ie interviews or rejections, some even acceptances. Also you wouldn't have to refill everything out. They aren't accepting their first class until fall 2020 like all the other schools. I'd just wait until more info is available. Plus I would personally want more info on how they plan to evaluate applicants before potentially throwing away more money. I do urge anyone who is thinking of applying to U of A if they get AVMA COE support to seriously evaluate yourself and if you think you'll be able to handle the year round schedule. It's a huge commitment and time suck just on the regular 4 year system. Don't apply just because you think it'll be easier to get in or applying just to get in somewhere to be a vet-burn out and mental health is real. Vet school is hard. Set yourself up for success from the beginning.

TLDR: think long and hard about your choices because its a lot of time, energy, money, effort, and mental drain. Don't apply somewhere just because you think it'll be easier to get in.
 
These are really good points. I’ve finally had a chance to go through their new website and as someone who has been attending all of their info sessions, I’d also like to point out that they haven’t been transparent about cost. I’m actually extremely disappointed that they’re going for $45k/year for in-state residents when it isn’t accredited all while touting how cost-effective it will be. No summer jobs and a distributive model that means a lot of commuting will be difficult in my opinion. I never followed how other schools came to fruition—- is it expected for them to charge that much for the inaugural class when it’s such a gamble??

Vet schools are really freaking expensive to run. But yeah they claim three years, but honestly with that price, they aren’t saving you money...plus with a distributive model there’s a lot of extra travel costs. Vet school is already at a sprint, I can’t imagine shaving a whole year off.
 
These are really good points. I’ve finally had a chance to go through their new website and as someone who has been attending all of their info sessions, I’d also like to point out that they haven’t been transparent about cost. I’m actually extremely disappointed that they’re going for $45k/year for in-state residents when it isn’t accredited all while touting how cost-effective it will be. No summer jobs and a distributive model that means a lot of commuting will be difficult in my opinion. I never followed how other schools came to fruition—- is it expected for them to charge that much for the inaugural class when it’s such a gamble??
That's really not that bad. Since it's only 3 years, total tuition will be $135,000, which is pretty middle of the pack as far as IS tuitions go. As an AZ resident, it looks like there are only 5 schools it would be cheaper for you to attend out of state. I actually think that makes the cost pretty good, especially considering that prior to U of A, the only option for staying in state was attending Midwestern, which is literally the most expensive vet school.

ETA: I also don't think it's a gamble necessarily. My understanding - and someone please correct me if I'm wrong - is that, with a letter of reasonable assurance, even if they ultimately don't get full accreditation, the students attending at the time are treated as if they did. I absolutely would not attend if they don't get that letter though.
 
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Just a thought-wait to apply until it opens on VMCAS Jan 2020 per their website-you'd save money and time especially by then you would have a better idea of where you stand with the majority of schools ie interviews or rejections, some even acceptances. Also you wouldn't have to refill everything out. They aren't accepting their first class until fall 2020 like all the other schools. I'd just wait until more info is available. Plus I would personally want more info on how they plan to evaluate applicants before potentially throwing away more money. I do urge anyone who is thinking of applying to U of A if they get AVMA COE support to seriously evaluate yourself and if you think you'll be able to handle the year round schedule. It's a huge commitment and time suck just on the regular 4 year system. Don't apply just because you think it'll be easier to get in or applying just to get in somewhere to be a vet-burn out and mental health is real. Vet school is hard. Set yourself up for success from the beginning.

TLDR: think long and hard about your choices because its a lot of time, energy, money, effort, and mental drain. Don't apply somewhere just because you think it'll be easier to get in.
Just curious where you're seeing that they are accepting applications through VMCAS in January? According to what I've found in their FAQ section, they are not accepting applications through VMCAS for this cycle.
 
Just curious where you're seeing that they are accepting applications through VMCAS in January? According to what I've found in their FAQ section, they are not accepting applications through VMCAS for this cycle.

I personally saw it on GradCAS but I don’t know if anyone saw it elsewhere.
 
Just curious where you're seeing that they are accepting applications through VMCAS in January? According to what I've found in their FAQ section, they are not accepting applications through VMCAS for this cycle.
It was there... they've updated their website even more from when I looked about 3 weeks ago I think which is good if someone is considering applying. It shows their breakdown of how people are going to be evaluated and they have timelines in place etc. Always use them as your best resource moving forward unsure if AZ will quit wiche funding after this next class or will wait until U of A gets their full accreditation and that's something to consider as an AZ resident.
 
That’s very true, as far as AZ resident options. I just feel it’s a bit disingenuous to throw up average student debt statistics, say they are breaking the cycle by not building an expensive teaching hospital, and then charge the same? I dunno. I understand it’s costly and they have been marketing this whole time, but maybe don't use that as your big selling point.

Yes, that’s how I understand the letter of reasonable insurance, too. I mean gamble as in its a brand-new program with inevitable problems and it will take 3 years to see how their students do on the NAVLE.

This most recent push for a UA vet med school has been going on since I was in high school. I used to be super excited but now that it seems real, I find myself side-eyeing everything lol.

That's really not that bad. Since it's only 3 years, total tuition will be $135,000, which is pretty middle of the pack as far as IS tuitions go. As an AZ resident, it looks like there are only 5 schools it would be cheaper for you to attend out of state. I actually think that makes the cost pretty good, especially considering that prior to U of A, the only option for staying in state was attending Midwestern, which is literally the most expensive vet school.

ETA: I also don't think it's a gamble necessarily. My understanding - and someone please correct me if I'm wrong - is that, with a letter of reasonable assurance, even if they ultimately don't get full accreditation, the students attending at the time are treated as if they did. I absolutely would not attend if they don't get that letter though.
 
That's really not that bad. Since it's only 3 years, total tuition will be $135,000, which is pretty middle of the pack as far as IS tuitions go. As an AZ resident, it looks like there are only 5 schools it would be cheaper for you to attend out of state. I actually think that makes the cost pretty good, especially considering that prior to U of A, the only option for staying in state was attending Midwestern, which is literally the most expensive vet school.

ETA: I also don't think it's a gamble necessarily. My understanding - and someone please correct me if I'm wrong - is that, with a letter of reasonable assurance, even if they ultimately don't get full accreditation, the students attending at the time are treated as if they did. I absolutely would not attend if they don't get that letter though.
The gamble is more do they prepare you well enough to pass NAVLE. My issue with LMU is that their pass rate stank. You don't want to put in all that time, effort, and money to not be able to practice, or even to have to take that test more than once since it is expensive and mentally exhausting. Not to mention, being a guinea pig for learning how to structure those classes and getting a good learning outcome will be frustrating I have no doubt.
 
moving forward unsure if AZ will quit wiche funding after this next class or will wait until U of A gets their full accreditation and that's something to consider as an AZ resident.

I’m worried about AZ quitting WICHE. I’ve applied for funding for the upcoming year, and I keep trying to rationalize to myself that if I were to get funding (and get into an OOS WICHE school) then I’d be grandfathered in for the rest of the four years, or that they won’t quit WICHE until AZ has a fully accredited public vet school.
 
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Does anyone know of interviews dates for western, midwestern, Uc Davis, and Washington? I've heard midwestern does rolling interviews but if anyone knows of any dates especially any in December so I can plan accordingly just in case. Thanks!
 
Does anyone know of interviews dates for western, midwestern, Uc Davis, and Washington? I've heard midwestern does rolling interviews but if anyone knows of any dates especially any in December so I can plan accordingly just in case. Thanks!
It should be on the websites for the schools 🙂 WSU lists potential interview dates on their website under important dates. When you would interview depends on if your residency.
 
The whole point of WICHE is to give students a more affordable opportunity and a better chance (smaller applicant pool) if their state schools do not have a certain program. They’ll definitely cut the vet portion once we have a public state vet med school.

Though, I would think the state would “grandfather in“ those who already were approved for funding. UC Davis quit participating in WICHE, but it did not affect those who were already WICHE students. Not the same situation, but hopefully a similar outcome.

I’d recommend calling the regents office and asking about their plans, but they are notoriously unhelpful.

I’m worried about AZ quitting WICHE. I’ve applied for funding for the upcoming year, and I keep trying to rationalize to myself that if I were to get funding (and get into an OOS WICHE school) then I’d be grandfathered in for the rest of the four years, or that they won’t quit WICHE until AZ has a fully accredited public vet school. I’m concerned though that they could cut off WICHE entirely even for those who got it already or that people who don’t get it for the first year then can’t apply while in vet school for later years.

I remember in high school being really excited by U of A opening a vet school and now it’s just giving me a headache haha. I’m disappointed at the cost because they were marketing themselves as trying to save AZ students from debt, but it’s a comparable cost. I’m also disappointed it’s only three years long, but I guess that’s a plus for some people. If we fast forward like 10 years and assume all went to plan with accreditation and AZ backed out of WICHE, if I was a vet applicant at the time I’d feel somewhat screwed over that I could no longer get WICHE funding to attend a more traditional program. But I suppose that’s the way the cookie crumbles.
 
I also don't think it's a gamble necessarily. My understanding - and someone please correct me if I'm wrong - is that, with a letter of reasonable assurance, even if they ultimately don't get full accreditation, the students attending at the time are treated as if they did. I absolutely would not attend if they don't get that letter though.

The problem (to me) is that they don't even have a letter of reasonable assurance. Their site visit was in April and the only people with any info on how that went are the COE and possibly Arizona.

It's a huge gamble to apply to this school that has no info to give out to applicants on whether or not they'll receive any level of accreditation. They're "confident". That means nothing. They were confident about their original model from 5 years ago and now they have a totally different curriculum set up compared to then. Their confidence means nothing without transparent info on why they are confident.
 
I’m worried about AZ quitting WICHE. I’ve applied for funding for the upcoming year, and I keep trying to rationalize to myself that if I were to get funding (and get into an OOS WICHE school) then I’d be grandfathered in for the rest of the four years, or that they won’t quit WICHE until AZ has a fully accredited public vet school. I’m concerned though that they could cut off WICHE entirely even for those who got it already or that people who don’t get it for the first year then can’t apply while in vet school for later years.

I remember in high school being really excited by U of A opening a vet school and now it’s just giving me a headache haha. I’m disappointed at the cost because they were marketing themselves as trying to save AZ students from debt, but it’s a comparable cost. I’m also disappointed it’s only three years long, but I guess that’s a plus for some people. If we fast forward like 10 years and assume all went to plan with accreditation and AZ backed out of WICHE, if I was a vet applicant at the time I’d feel somewhat screwed over that I could no longer get WICHE funding to attend a more traditional program. But I suppose that’s the way the cookie crumbles.
I would say it's safe to say that for anyone accepted to a wiche school for c/o 2024 that they would be guaranteed funding assuming they got wiche sponsorship. Because imo it would be unfair to yank funding to students when U of A doesnt have reasonable assurance before the vmcas deadline. Though I would definitely ask if an AZ resident once an official statement is made. Wiche is guaranteed persay for people already in vet school co 2023 and up. My friends wont lose their funding. However I would say starting with class of 2025 might be a different story depends how the state feels with the letter of reasonable assurance. I know years ago wsu offered U of A a similar program to how we are set up with UT but apparently were rejected. So meh. Itll be interesting to see how this all unfolds.
 
Just a thought-wait to apply until it opens on VMCAS Jan 2020 per their website-you'd save money and time especially by then you would have a better idea of where you stand with the majority of schools ie interviews or rejections, some even acceptances. Also you wouldn't have to refill everything out. They aren't accepting their first class until fall 2020 like all the other schools. I'd just wait until more info is available. Plus I would personally want more info on how they plan to evaluate applicants before potentially throwing away more money. I do urge anyone who is thinking of applying to U of A if they get AVMA COE support to seriously evaluate yourself and if you think you'll be able to handle the year round schedule. It's a huge commitment and time suck just on the regular 4 year system. Don't apply just because you think it'll be easier to get in or applying just to get in somewhere to be a vet-burn out and mental health is real. Vet school is hard. Set yourself up for success from the beginning.

TLDR: think long and hard about your choices because its a lot of time, energy, money, effort, and mental drain. Don't apply somewhere just because you think it'll be easier to get in.

If someone goes to a school that isn’t accredited, what’s the process of becoming a veterinarian like? After graduating I mean. I’ve always heard that you would have to jump through several hoops but I don’t actually know.
 
If someone goes to a school that isn’t accredited, what’s the process of becoming a veterinarian like? After graduating I mean. I’ve always heard that you would have to jump through several hoops but I don’t actually know.
I don't know the specific process @SkiOtter knows more about it? Take at least one additional exam that has a high fail rate and pay lots of money for it is basically what I know. Essentially- I would say it's not worth it to try and go that way unless you plan on practicing in a different country-then I would check their standards.
 
I don't know the specific process @SkiOtter knows more about it? Take at least one additional exam that has a high fail rate and pay lots of money for it is basically what I know. Essentially- I would say it's not worth it to try and go that way unless you plan on practicing in a different country-then I would check their standards.
I got no ****in clue 🤣 I go to an accredited school
 
I know years ago wsu offered U of A a similar program to how we are set up with UT but apparently were rejected

I wonder why. I'm personally more in support with these programs as a means to lower student veterinary debt than opening more schools.
 
If someone goes to a school that isn’t accredited, what’s the process of becoming a veterinarian like? After graduating I mean. I’ve always heard that you would have to jump through several hoops but I don’t actually know.

I worked for a vet that went to vet school in India (where she was born and raised). I’ve asked her about what was entailed in transferring her license to the US and she just shudders and doesn’t like to talk a whole lot about it. What she has told me is that the exam was ~$4000 (at least 10 years ago) and it was a multi-day exam. She said it was extremely stressful because if you failed one section you had to take it again. Many people don’t pass.

At the same clinic the head tech is from some South American country. He went to vet school and practiced as a vet there but openly says his education wasn’t great and he won’t bother taking the exam to practice here because he knows he will fail.

Edited to add: I believe the vet from India took the ECFVG ... which entails an English proficiency exam, a 225-question computer-based assessment of basic and clinical veterinary sciences knowledge, then a clinical proficiency exam. The clinical proficiency exam is a multi-day evaluation of clinical skills in large and small animal species, as well as laboratory and other diagnostic practices. The diagram on the AVMA website is a little confusing but it looks like you may have to take the NAVLE after all that??
 
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If someone goes to a school that isn’t accredited, what’s the process of becoming a veterinarian like? After graduating I mean. I’ve always heard that you would have to jump through several hoops but I don’t actually know.
If it’s a foreign school that’s not accredited, you take the PAVES or ECFVG (ECFVG accepted in all states. PAVES is not.) and the NAVLE (required of all vets in the US). But if you go to an unaccredited US school, meaning just a letter of reasonable assurance, then I believe you just have to take the NAVLE. From some research I was doing I don’t think there’s any way a school can open and matriculate students without a letter of reasonable assurance. You’ll need to take the NAVLE to become licensed, and you can’t take the NAVLE without taking the PAVES or ECFVG (if you go to an unaccredited school), and you can’t take those without going to a foreign school that would allow its graduates to become licensed in that country.
 
Going to vet school for three years year-round with no summer break?

Don't they do this at Ross? Like, there are breaks, but not long ones.

eta: pretty sure attrition rate at Ross is relatively high though
 
Just curious, has anyone that applied to Mississippi State and/or Auburn received any correspondence from them? I received an initial "glad you're interested in our program" email very early in the cycle, but have had complete radio silence ever since the deadline. Anyone else?
 
Just curious, has anyone that applied to Mississippi State and/or Auburn received any correspondence from them? I received an initial "glad you're interested in our program" email very early in the cycle, but have had complete radio silence ever since the deadline. Anyone else?

I haven’t heard anything from Auburn yet.
 
Just curious, has anyone that applied to Mississippi State and/or Auburn received any correspondence from them? I received an initial "glad you're interested in our program" email very early in the cycle, but have had complete radio silence ever since the deadline. Anyone else?
I haven’t heard anything from Auburn yet.
Most vet schools don't send out much in the way of correspondence, unfortunately. It's not unusual. If they don't have a portal or tracking system, it's unlikely you'll hear anything until interview invites and/or final decisions go out. If you're really concerned about the state or receipt of your application, you'd be best to contact the schools directly via email or phone.

ETA: I know it's hard, but there's no use stressing over it; it's out of your hands at this point. Relax and try to focus on other things until you hear something back. It's only been a couple of weeks since the VMCAS deadline, after all. 😉
 
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Does anyone know what to do if you dropped a class fall quarter? I literally just emailed all of them about something else so I want to see if anyone knows, even if it is just for a specific school. It isn't a prerequisite, and I dropped it due to a vet opportunity conflicting. I know Western requires you to inform them because they included it in their email. I have been scouring websites and cannot find information about this on the others, and I really don't want to mess up by not telling them but I also don't want to 1. Annoy them and 2. make myself look bad by having another light courseload if I don't even have to tell them anyways. Any information/resources/suggestions would be super helpful 🙂

Note: I did remove it from my application (after deadline) and clicked update so it would be sent to the schools.
 
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Midwestern sent me an interview invitation today!!! Wooo! Definitely not my top choice in schools but super excited just to hear something back. Anyone else freaking out during this weird time of waiting to hear back??? I am struggling to focus on my classes because its all I can think about!!
 
What do I do if i have been accepted to an internship that I want to add to my experiences but it doesn't start officially until November and I have submitted VMCAS already (obviously since its october)?? Any advice? or am i screwed until next year?
 
What do I do if i have been accepted to an internship that I want to add to my experiences but it doesn't start officially until November and I have submitted VMCAS already (obviously since its october)?? Any advice? or am i screwed until next year?
Once you start the experience you can email the schools you’re applying to and ask if they’ll add it to your application. Some will, some won’t.
 
What do I do if i have been accepted to an internship that I want to add to my experiences but it doesn't start officially until November and I have submitted VMCAS already (obviously since its october)?? Any advice? or am i screwed until next year?

I mean some schools will let you add things, but I wouldn’t stress about one internship that isn’t starting until interview decisions are mostly already made having a huge impact on your application.
 
This might be a dumb question but which schools recalculate your gpa and does not use the vmcas one? I know Iowa state 100% does, but which other schools?
 
This might be a dumb question but which schools recalculate your gpa and does not use the vmcas one? I know Iowa state 100% does, but which other schools?

Normal answer: you'd have to ask the schools.

Added: probably a lot of them since a lot of the schools have differing prereqs, science class lists, etc.
 
I feel like they say something like that every year. Don’t let it freak you out. Everything works out as it should🙂
Definitely don’t freak out! It depends from school to school. Mississippi State sent out their application stats last week. They had about 400 less applications this year.
 
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