Wayne State University part 01

[fun8stuff]

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Ahh, many of you were duped by the school once again. You see, my permanent address is in Oakland County. So, what will I do... stroll into one of their health department branches at my leisure, without an appointment. Pick a number. Get a FREE TB test. Return 3 days later, and presto I'm done. No getting up at 8am and paying $5.

what does oakland county have to do w/ it? do only people that live in this county get a free TB test?

 

[ddmo]

Some of the things they only do for free if you go to "your" county health department. Wayne County would do the same thing if that was the county of your permanent residence.

 

[Flobber]

Clin Med... now THERE is a test I can get behind. BTW, what was the answer to the question about immigrants not seeking health care? I said that it was false that they don't necessarily understand chest pain. Seemed a little too stereotypical to be true.

 

[LGW]

I will be starting WSU this fall 🙂 and I was wondering (since you guys are there) if you can fill me in on the curriculum and how the information is presented to you? For example, some schools use PBL, some do organ/system-based where they learn EVERYTHING on that organ/system. I know that Wayne is pretty much lecture-based but I was just curious how they tie everything together, AND also what is the MS1's exposure to patients?
thanks

 

[Shangal]

flobber that's what I put too, how about what makes you culturally competent?

 

[dancinjenn]

I will be starting WSU this fall 🙂 and I was wondering (since you guys are there) if you can fill me in on the curriculum and how the information is presented to you? For example, some schools use PBL, some do organ/system-based where they learn EVERYTHING on that organ/system. I know that Wayne is pretty much lecture-based but I was just curious how they tie everything together, AND also what is the MS1's exposure to patients?
thanks

We basically have the lecture format, and within classes...it depends: Anatomy is done in 4 units upper limb, head & neck, trunk, and lower limb
Histo & Physio follow an organ system approach mostly
Biochem - who the hell understands it anyway -
Nutrition and Genetics are pretty short so there really isn't any big organizational picture.
Neuro - The first test is basically spinal cord, brain stem, cranial nerves and all of their connections. The second test covers cerebellum, cerebrum, thalamus and assoc. structures, and all their connections.

Exposure to patients is fairly limited. You are required to do four 1/2 days working with a family medicine doc doing history's and BP.

 

[dancinjenn]

Clin Med... now THERE is a test I can get behind. BTW, what was the answer to the question about immigrants not seeking health care? I said that it was false that they don't necessarily understand chest pain. Seemed a little too stereotypical to be true.

Yeah, that is what I put too. What about those questions that were the "least true?" Not really difficult just funky wording.

 

[oldjeeps]

Yeah, that is what I put too. What about those questions that were the "least true?" Not really difficult just funky wording.

Agreed!

How about some of Spurlock's questions; where did she dream up some of that – let alone expect us to remember some of that nitpicky BS from her notes.

 

[Flobber]

Ah well, its over. I don't know if I have the energy to go to lab tomorrow and listen to taste and smell pathways for 3 hours...

 

[Flobber]

flobber that's what I put too, how about what makes you culturally competent?

Don't remember that question...

 

[Finally M3]

Does anyone know why the fee is going up so high? And what the hell does this fee go to pay for anyway? We already pay so much in tuition. I'd really like to know what the hell my money is going towards...

If it's anything like my year, you are paying for the proliferation of all the student groups as well as the various upgrades to the MD labs, printing costs for notes, etc. etc.

Honestly though, med students are cash cows to the University, especially during 3rd & 4th year. The only costs the school has to cover once we start clinical rotations is for administering shelf exams as well as correspondance (stamps) for our evaluations. The individual hospitals cover our liability costs because they ultimately want to recruit us to their hospitals when we graduate. It costs Wayne NOTHING for us to rotate at the various hospitals.

Just ramblings of another cynic...back from the bar. I love the porch of Memphis Smoke. Makes me sad that I am missing another glorious weekend because of call... 👎

 

[katrinadams9]

Is anyone going to sell their PDA back for the $300? I'm seriously considering it, since they're going to be out of date by the time we need them in years 3 and 4 anyway.

I'm just wondering what you all think...

 

[Flobber]

Is anyone going to sell their PDA back for the $300? I'm seriously considering it, since they're going to be out of date by the time we need them in years 3 and 4 anyway.

I'm just wondering what you all think...

I didn't delete the email immediately upon receiving, so that's serious for me. If I knew exactly what we would be doing next year with Clin Med, I'd dump it in a sec... as it is, I think I'm too much of a coward.

 

[medschooldrone]

I got the email, I don't get their angle. The e800 sell for $320 on Ebay w/ buy it now... which is usually overpriced, so the $300 offered seems to be a very fair price....... 😡 now only if I wasn't suckered in to buying it new for $600 with a case. 😡

 

[dancinjenn]

I bought a HP Ipaq for $350 including case so I don't have you guys' issues...good luck in selling them...I am just wondering if anyone knows how much we are going to need them in 3rd and 4th year. So if you all sell them now how much are you willing to shell out to get another PDA in another year and change?

 

[Flobber]

I bought a HP Ipaq for $350 including case so I don't have you guys' issues...good luck in selling them...I am just wondering if anyone knows how much we are going to need them in 3rd and 4th year. So if you all sell them now how much are you willing to shell out to get another PDA in another year and change?

Damn you and your logic.

 

[PBMaxx]

Hey all, I have a weird situation. Last week I received a financial aid award letter from the Fin Aid Office, but I haven't been accepted off the Alternate List yet?? Is this weird? Should I be getting my hopes up? Or is the Fin Aid Office just that organized??

Thnx,

PBM

 

[Shah_Patel_PT]

Must be just organizing info...in case they accept you in the last few weeks prior to start of semester. Dont get your hopes up, and keep your options open.

 

[oldjeeps]

Hey all, I have a weird situation. Last week I received a financial aid award letter from the Fin Aid Office, but I haven't been accepted off the Alternate List yet?? Is this weird? Should I be getting my hopes up? Or is the Fin Aid Office just that organized??

Thnx,

PBM

I have a hard time believing that Fin Aid is that organized. There would probably be no harm done by calling admissions to "check on the status of your application".

 

[PBMaxx]

Yep. False alarm. I am in the University's system for filing a FAFSA, but I am not in the Med School's system as I have not been accepted, so I got defaulted to the undergrad Fin Aid Office. The kicker is the opening line of the letter was "Welcome to the Wayne State University!" Whatta tease!!!

Well, hopefully I'll be reading that soon enough.

Thnx,

PBM

 

[Shangal]

does anyone know how our clin med class is going to be graded. is our z-score based just on our two exams or is it the two exams with our osci grade?

 

[oldjeeps]

Yep. False alarm. I am in the University's system for filing a FAFSA, but I am not in the Med School's system as I have not been accepted, so I got defaulted to the undergrad Fin Aid Office. The kicker is the opening line of the letter was "Welcome to the Wayne State University!" Whatta tease!!!

Well, hopefully I'll be reading that soon enough.

Thnx,

PBM

Sorry to hear that. Better luck to you as the summer progresses and the alternate list continues to move.

 

[katrinadams9]

does anyone know how our clin med class is going to be graded. is our z-score based just on our two exams or is it the two exams with our osci grade?

I'm not sure how the osce is graded, but our overall z-score for clin med would be based on both exams, the osce, and somehow our attendance and small group ratings are averaged in (b/c you can't honor if you missed a lecture or small group session)... hope that helps!

What was the average for the exam? I haven't looked at the scores yet...

 

[oldjeeps]

does anyone know how our clin med class is going to be graded. is our z-score based just on our two exams or is it the two exams with our osci grade?

I think it is exams + osce + lecture attendence + small group = final grade

I am just wondering how the OSCE is graded. Does anyone know?

 

[oldjeeps]

What was the average for the exam? I haven't looked at the scores yet...

87.84% with a SD of ~4 😱


Does anyone know if we can get Neuro and Genetics grades without coming into scott hall over the summer?

 

[Shangal]

thanks,
I wonder how thats going to work out. I can't wait till this is over with, 10 days to go, the countdown begins

 

[fun8stuff]

Hey I was wondering if you guys could quick tell me how much I should be looking to spend on rent per month and how I would go about proving income (financial aid?)? Do I just show them financial aid papers?

Thanks!

 

[AStudent]

This thread is getting FAR to low, bump.

I'm spending 700-800 but that's for a single. To prove income just file your taxes with your W2 and then submit a copy of the 1040 with your aid, it's what I did.

Then log into pipeline, go to student tab, click financial aid, and go to town.


Edit: Where did that board of governors scholarship come from? I SWEAR that wasn't there before? 😕

Hey I was wondering if you guys could quick tell me how much I should be looking to spend on rent per month and how I would go about proving income (financial aid?)? Do I just show them financial aid papers?

Thanks!

 

[katrinadams9]

87.84% with a SD of ~4 😱


Does anyone know if we can get Neuro and Genetics grades without coming into scott hall over the summer?

Nope. And you'll want to get a printout from Ms. Conors too, because apparently we won't be able to get a full printout of year one once we start year two. They just consolidate all our scores into one big z-score... Supposedly they post these overall z-scores somewhere in Scott hall so you can see where you are in relation to the rest of the class. Oh, the horror! 😱

 

[oldjeeps]

Nope. And you'll want to get a printout from Ms. Conors too, because apparently we won't be able to get a full printout of year one once we start year two.

Great, I really didn't want to have to see scott hall over the summer. Guess that I'll have to modify those plans.

They just consolidate all our scores into one big z-score... Supposedly they post these overall z-scores somewhere in Scott hall so you can see where you are in relation to the rest of the class. Oh, the horror! 😱

Not looking forward to seeing that. I am starting to think that WSU-SOM is out to see how depressed they can make me.

 

[Flobber]

Great, I really didn't want to have to see scott hall over the summer. Guess that I'll have to modify those plans.



Not looking forward to seeing that. I am starting to think that WSU-SOM is out to see how depressed they can make me.

As far as I can tell, it really, really, REALLY doesn't matter how you do in your first year, or second for that matter. If you pass everything and get through it unscathed, you still have every opportunity to do whatever you want. That being said, I have absolutely no desire to morph my thought of being "right around average" into the reality of being in the bottom 30% of the class.

As for those printouts... do they give you any information that's not in the class summary sheets that are posted at the end of every course? And, to get one, do you just waltz into her office and ask or do you have to make an appointment?

 

[CeLo]

You don't really need to make an appointment, it takes 2 seconds for Conners to print your grades. If she's never met you before, she may want to talk a bit to get to know you. I think she'll be out of the office until the 17th or so.

 

[katrinadams9]

Was everyone as nervous about the OSCE as I was? I was shaking and sweating bullets... but it went suprisingly well considering how nervous I was. I'm still kicking myself for not having asked about the smoking/drinking/drugs. But I heard everyone forgot at least one question.

Any comments?

 

[Flobber]

Was everyone as nervous about the OSCE as I was? I was shaking and sweating bullets... but it went suprisingly well considering how nervous I was. I'm still kicking myself for not having asked about the smoking/drinking/drugs. But I heard everyone forgot at least one question.

Any comments?

At one point I looked down and noticed that my knee was bobbing up and down so bad that it was impairing my ability to write on the clipboard. That sucked...

 

[ddmo]

As far as I can tell, it really, really, REALLY doesn't matter how you do in your first year, or second for that matter. If you pass everything and get through it unscathed, you still have every opportunity to do whatever you want.

The validity of your statement completely depends on the specialty and location of your residency. Ortho in Boston, you couldn't be more wrong. Emergency at the DMC, you're right, doesn't mean much. The main importance of the first two years is if you are trying to get AOA, other than that there isn't much difference between a 415 and 585. The boards rule all.

As for the OSCE, I forgot to ask about drug allergies...DOH! Good think I don't wield a perscription pad, could've killed her. 🙄

 

[Dr.Evil1]

Was everyone as nervous about the OSCE as I was? I was shaking and sweating bullets... but it went suprisingly well considering how nervous I was. I'm still kicking myself for not having asked about the smoking/drinking/drugs. But I heard everyone forgot at least one question.

Any comments?

Hey guys...4th year checking in here.

That OSCE is almost exactly like the Step 2 CS. I was amazed at how similar the 2 exams were. Good luck during 4th year.

 

[Flobber]

The validity of your statement completely depends on the specialty and location of your residency. Ortho in Boston, you couldn't be more wrong. Emergency at the DMC, you're right, doesn't mean much. The main importance of the first two years is if you are trying to get AOA, other than that there isn't much difference between a 415 and 585. The boards rule all.

As for the OSCE, I forgot to ask about drug allergies...DOH! Good think I don't wield a perscription pad, could've killed her. 🙄

There's nothing I enjoy more during exam weeks then to have someone tell me that I "couldn't be more wrong" about something. Anyways, my opinion is derived mostly from friends who are looking into residencies right now and are a little better versed in what makes a competitive applicant than me.

 

[dancinjenn]

At one point I looked down and noticed that my knee was bobbing up and down so bad that it was impairing my ability to write on the clipboard. That sucked...

ha ha. I had to keep reminding myself not to play with my hair, which is what I do when I'm nervous. It really wasn't to bad. I was more worried with how to write down the info for the SOAP than for the actual interview part. I ended up missing occupation 🙁 because I ran out of time...but oh well.

 

[LGW]

As FIRST year's, what were your upfront cost (books, supplies, dues, fees etc...) BEFORE financial aid?

 

[fun8stuff]

As FIRST year's, what were your upfront cost (books, supplies, dues, fees etc...) BEFORE financial aid?

I asked a question about this a couple pages back, so you may want to check their too...

So what is the OSCE that you all are talking about?

 

[Flobber]

I asked a question about this a couple pages back, so you may want to check their too...

So what is the OSCE that you all are talking about?

Observed Structured Clinical Exam. You go into a room and interview an actor playing a patient with a faculty member watching you and furiously scribbling. Its fun.

 

[oldjeeps]

I asked a question about this a couple pages back, so you may want to check their too...

So what is the OSCE that you all are talking about?

OSCE = An interview/examination of a “standardized patient” (read paid actor) to see how well we relate to real live patients.

As the fourth year pointed out, it is essentially WSU’s attempt to get us ready for the USMLE step 2 CS (clinical skills).

As for the OSCE, there are so many parts of that interview that I never got to – lack of time and forgot. I think that is the fastest that 15 minutes has gone by in a long time.

 

[ddmo]

There's nothing I enjoy more during exam weeks then to have someone tell me that I "couldn't be more wrong" about something. Anyways, my opinion is derived mostly from friends who are looking into residencies right now and are a little better versed in what makes a competitive applicant than me.

My point is that the importance of the first two years is completely dependent on what field you want to go into, that's all.

 

[fun8stuff]

OSCE = An interview/examination of a “standardized patient” (read paid actor) to see how well we relate to real live patients.

As the fourth year pointed out, it is essentially WSU’s attempt to get us ready for the USMLE step 2 CS (clinical skills).

As for the OSCE, there are so many parts of that interview that I never got to – lack of time and forgot. I think that is the fastest that 15 minutes has gone by in a long time.

So I'm guessing there isn't a penalty for not getting to everything or what?

 

[oldjeeps]

So I'm guessing there isn't a penalty for not getting to everything or what?

Since they never told us what they were scoring us on, nobody knows. Or does someone out there have some information that I don’t?

 

[Flobber]

Since they never told us what they were scoring us on, nobody knows. Or does someone out there have some information that I don’t?

All I know is that I hope there isn't a "nervous" penalty, or I'm S.O.L.

 

[dancinjenn]

I know that they have a pretty extensive checklist (because I kept hearing the observer checking things off as I went) but I'm not sure on how many majors you can miss before they take points off. Stellini said that if you can do cc, hpi, pmh, and some social then you should pass no problem.

 

[LGW]

If I remember correcly, I shelled out $700 for the student support fees, $45 for disability insurance, $2500 for catastrophic insurance, and a few other nominal fees... oh and $400 for the damn parking permit too.

The catastrophic insurance we were required to buy if we weren't covered under a different health plan. This year they're supposed to be coming up with some better health plan for the students, but if you're already covered you don't need to worry about it.

So did everyone have to fork over over $3700 PRIOR to getting their FA checks?
Is there cheaper catastrophic health insurance out there?

 

[oldjeeps]

So did everyone have to fork over over $3700 PRIOR to getting their FA checks?
Is there cheaper catastrophic health insurance out there?

Yes, those fees hit you at registration and as has already been stated you have to be registered before WSU gets your FA$. Then there is the time it takes WSU to get your FA check to you.
The other thing is that Fin Aid managed to arrange things so that the student support fee (now $1050) is now incorportated into the rest of the tuition bill (read don't need that check at registration).

I am sure that there is cheaper health insurance out there. I would suggest that you start doing your research/shopping on that topic. There were some rumors about a "required health insurance plan" that the dean of SA killed with an e-mail - but it remains to be seen if such a thing might happen in the future. Either way, if you are fortunate enough to still be on a family member's (spouse, parents, etc) health insurance it is a non-issue.

 

[CeLo]

If you filled out a FAFSA and have all your required financial aid forms in to the office, they will give you a waiver at registration to wave your omnibus and student support fee. All you have to do is go to the Fin Aid office the day of registration and have them give you the waiver. That's about $1500 right there, and they will just deduct it when your financial aid comes in. You still need to pay the disability insurance (~$48) and for parking (~$500) if you want to park in the structure. And you have to buy their insurance if you don't have any, don't know how much that costs. People in Fin Aid Office= 😍 . People in Registration and Records=