Wayne State University part 02

[tybalt]

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HF is a great hospital to be at. I would recommend trying to do everything there, if they are going to make you do things that way. The best overall hospitals (not in order) are HF, beaumont, and oakwood (maybe not OB). They treat their students well and the people want to teach students. There are good rotations at other places, but few hospitals have rotations that are all consistently good. Of course this is just my opinion based on what I have found from rotating here and talking to friends...

Agreed.

 

[oldjeeps]

HF is a great hospital to be at. I would recommend trying to do everything there, if they are going to make you do things that way. The best overall hospitals (not in order) are HF, beaumont, and oakwood (maybe not OB). They treat their students well and the people want to teach students. There are good rotations at other places, but few hospitals have rotations that are all consistently good. Of course this is just my opinion based on what I have found from rotating there and talking to friends...

For most rotations I have heard positive things about HFH - and have been happy with most of the rotations that I have done there (total of 4 rotations during MS3 and MS4).
That being said (and recognizing the variability based on team/attending/etc) I was less than happy with my OB/GYN rotation and continuity clinic at HFH.
Depending on geography, I have also heard positive things about most of the rotations at st. john's (but the folks I heard them from may have been a bit biased) - my rotations there were also mostly positive experiences.

However, I would still suggest fighting WSU's drive to go to a "clinical campus model".
Speaking of the "clinical campus model", as much as I hated some aspect of peds at CHM I would highly recommend that you do peds downtown. I have been underwhelmed by what I see passing for peds experience at the other sites I have rotated through.

 

[fun8stuff]

For most rotations I have heard positive things about HFH - and have been happy with most of the rotations that I have done there (total of 4 rotations during MS3 and MS4).
That being said (and recognizing the variability based on team/attending/etc) I was less than happy with my OB/GYN rotation and continuity clinic at HFH.
Depending on geography, I have also heard positive things about most of the rotations at st. john's (but the folks I heard them from may have been a bit biased) - my rotations there were also mostly positive experiences.

However, I would still suggest fighting WSU's drive to go to a "clinical campus model".
Speaking of the "clinical campus model", as much as I hated some aspect of peds at CHM I would highly recommend that you do peds downtown. I have been underwhelmed by what I see passing for peds experience at the other sites I have rotated through.

congrats on EM at some place other than detroit, but still in MI.
i generally agree with what has been said... including henry ford, beau, oakwood, and st. john being nice hospitals and i was also less than happy with continuity clinic at HF. i would agree that you should fight this clinical campus based model.

 

[tybalt]

It’s fun. You’ll see.
duty calls...
days until 4th year

By the way, Fun8, when are you going to make a countdown of days until match day 2009? Scurry.

 

[deowolf04]

By the way, Fun8, when are you going to make a countdown of days until match day 2009? Scurry.

Despite it being the easiest year of med school, you will be plenty busy 4th year so you won't even be thinking about a Match Day countdown this early. In addition to your rotations, you have to apply, go on all those interviews, do you rank list, and THEN you can think about Match Day. I didn't even consider doing a countdown until March 1. Trust me; it's better if you don't focus too much of your attention on it because it will just seem to go by slower.

 

[fun8stuff]

Despite it being the easiest year of med school, you will be plenty busy 4th year so you won't even be thinking about a Match Day countdown this early. In addition to your rotations, you have to apply, go on all those interviews, do you rank list, and THEN you can think about Match Day. I didn't even consider doing a countdown until March 1. Trust me; it's better if you don't focus too much of your attention on it because it will just seem to go by slower.

while i agree with this 100%, i have been counting down the end of med school since nov 2005 (first year).

http://www.geocities.com/fun4stuff/countdown.html

It may be a couple days off, as I kind of based it on the day in june that the class of 2004 graduated.

i know you are suppose to enjoy the journey, rather than the focusing on the destination, but i have bee counting down the end from the very beginning and still can't wait.

 

[tybalt]

while i agree with this 100%, i have been counting down the end of med school since nov 2005 (first year).

http://www.geocities.com/fun4stuff/countdown.html

It may be a couple days off, as I kind of based it on the day in june that the class of 2004 graduated.

i know you are suppose to enjoy the journey, rather than the focusing on the destination, but i have bee counting down the end from the very beginning and still can't wait.

Awesome 🙂

 

[katrinadams9]

Despite it being the easiest year of med school, you will be plenty busy 4th year so you won't even be thinking about a Match Day countdown this early. In addition to your rotations, you have to apply, go on all those interviews, do you rank list, and THEN you can think about Match Day. I didn't even consider doing a countdown until March 1. Trust me; it's better if you don't focus too much of your attention on it because it will just seem to go by slower.

I started counting down the minute I hit submit on my rank list.

 

[fun8stuff]

so how bad is this surgery oral exam??? i have everything from, "everyone honors the oral" to "they started asking me questions regarding cases that weren't on the list"

edit: oh and the other thing, can you get an S+ in surgery or is it just F/S/H? Multiple people have said "they think you can get an S+", but in the syllabus it states that surgery doesnt give S+....

 

[mendel121]

so how bad is this surgery oral exam??? i have everything from, "everyone honors the oral" to "they started asking me questions regarding cases that weren't on the list"

edit: oh and the other thing, can you get an S+ in surgery or is it just F/S/H? Multiple people have said "they think you can get an S+", but in the syllabus it states that surgery doesnt give S+....

OK - not everyone honors the oral, the content is really dependent on the person giving you the exam, but I didn't hear anyone say that they got tested on anything other than what is in the guide.

The grading scheme in the syllabus does not represent reality. My grade doesn't match the scheme, I think that there is some subjectivity to the process. Also, yes S+ is possible I know someone who honored the shelf, honored the oral, but didn't honor clinically and that person got S+

 

[tybalt]

OK - not everyone honors the oral, the content is really dependent on the person giving you the exam, but I didn't hear anyone say that they got tested on anything other than what is in the guide.

The grading scheme in the syllabus does not represent reality. My grade doesn't match the scheme, I think that there is some subjectivity to the process. Also, yes S+ is possible I know someone who honored the shelf, honored the oral, but didn't honor clinically and that person got S+

I agree with that it very much depends on your tester. A lot of my friends said they pretty much had their hand held through the exam. My grader was much less "helpful". He did not offer any "what about this?" or any "are you sure?". He asked me the scenario, I started talking, and if I stopped that was the end. I expected it to be more like a conversation than it was based on what other people said. Boo.

When I had surgery, I heard people say "everyone passes the oral", not "everyone honors" so that's new to me.

To Honor, I believe you have to honor all 3 things, to get an S+, you have to honor 2 and I think 1 of which must be the shelf. Any less than that and I believe you get an S.

 

[fun8stuff]

I agree with that it very much depends on your tester. A lot of my friends said they pretty much had their hand held through the exam. My grader was much less "helpful". He did not offer any "what about this?" or any "are you sure?". He asked me the scenario, I started talking, and if I stopped that was the end. I expected it to be more like a conversation than it was based on what other people said. Boo.

When I had surgery, I heard people say "everyone passes the oral", not "everyone honors" so that's new to me.

To Honor, I believe you have to honor all 3 things, to get an S+, you have to honor 2 and I think 1 of which must be the shelf. Any less than that and I believe you get an S.

thanks for the replies.... i hope i get a nice examiner!

"We're going to go to Home Depot. Maybe Bed, Bath, and Beyond, I don't know, I don't know if we'll have enough time. "
-what is this from? this sounds like something my wife would have said to me when we were getting ready to make our wedding registry.... (she was way more excited about it than me)

 

[NERDY]

thanks for the replies.... i hope i get a nice examiner!

"We're going to go to Home Depot. Maybe Bed, Bath, and Beyond, I don't know, I don't know if we'll have enough time. "
-what is this from? this sounds like something my wife would have said to me when we were getting ready to make our wedding registry.... (she was way more excited about it than me)

_Old School_

 

[cutesuperjo]

I agree with that it very much depends on your tester. A lot of my friends said they pretty much had their hand held through the exam. My grader was much less "helpful". He did not offer any "what about this?" or any "are you sure?". He asked me the scenario, I started talking, and if I stopped that was the end. I expected it to be more like a conversation than it was based on what other people said. Boo.

When I had surgery, I heard people say "everyone passes the oral", not "everyone honors" so that's new to me.

To Honor, I believe you have to honor all 3 things, to get an S+, you have to honor 2 and I think 1 of which must be the shelf. Any less than that and I believe you get an S.

FYI, I honored clinically and honored the exam, but only passed the oral exam and still received Honors...

 

[tybalt]

_Old School_

You get one vagina for the rest of your life. Real smart Frank. Way to work it through.

 

[fun8stuff]

You get one vagina for the rest of your life. Real smart Frank. Way to work it through.

lol, funny movie,


yay, only 1 more 3rd year clerkship to go!

 

[fun8stuff]

woodchipper really likes wood

 

[woodchipper666]

I'm going to slice you up!

 

[fun8stuff]

I'm going to slice you up!

i called you out of 5 years of hiding! the devil's woodchipper!

 

[tybalt]

i called you out of 5 years of hiding! the devil's woodchipper!

uuhhhh... Woodchipper Massacre?

How much flesh would a woodchipper chip if a woodchipper could chip flesh?

 

[katrinadams9]

I agree with that it very much depends on your tester. A lot of my friends said they pretty much had their hand held through the exam. My grader was much less "helpful". He did not offer any "what about this?" or any "are you sure?". He asked me the scenario, I started talking, and if I stopped that was the end. I expected it to be more like a conversation than it was based on what other people said. Boo.

When I had surgery, I heard people say "everyone passes the oral", not "everyone honors" so that's new to me.

To Honor, I believe you have to honor all 3 things, to get an S+, you have to honor 2 and I think 1 of which must be the shelf. Any less than that and I believe you get an S.

Unless they changed this from last year, this is not true. I honored the shelf and clinicals, but not the oral and still earned an H.

 

[fun8stuff]

Unless they changed this from last year, this is not true. I honored the shelf and clinicals, but not the oral and still earned an H.

yeah, the syllabus on the website says you can only H/S/F, but the syllabus they handed out says that you can H/S+/S/F. If get outstanding on the oral and clinicals and mean+x on the exam (where x = 0.5 standard deviation) you honor. If you have only 1 other outstanding category and you score mean+1std on the shelf then you get s+.

oh yeah, have you guys seen this?
http://kevin.vox.com/library/post/post.html

 

[mendel121]

yeah, the syllabus on the website says you can only H/S/F, but the syllabus they handed out says that you can H/S+/S/F. If get outstanding on the oral and clinicals and mean+x on the exam (where x = 0.5 standard deviation) you honor. If you have only 1 other outstanding category and you score mean+1std on the shelf then you get s+.

oh yeah, have you guys seen this?
http://kevin.vox.com/library/post/post.html

This isn't reality either, lots of people honored the shelf, and got clinical honors, and an S on the orals and then honored the course.

 

[srs1234]

Thanks for all the opinions on HFH


So since Surgery is on topic....What do you guys think is the best place to do this? At this point, I am mostly bent on doing a surgical subspecialty, so I really want a good experience. However, since I will be doing surgery before medicine (so I can do an elective in a surgx subspecialty) I would like a place where I can learn a ton and be able to do well on the shelf. I also heard that Beaumont allows a month in a speciality during their surgery rotation...anyone know if this is true? I have heard mixed reviews on DRH, what do you guys think? Any info on St.Johns? I heard Oakwood was pretty cushy so I will probably avoid that one. HFH i can't do, since I didn't do the clinical campus deal.

Anyway, thanks to all that can help. (sorry for only posting questions asking for advice)

 

[mendel121]

Thanks for all the opinions on HFH


So since Surgery is on topic....What do you guys think is the best place to do this? At this point, I am mostly bent on doing a surgical subspecialty, so I really want a good experience. However, since I will be doing surgery before medicine (so I can do an elective in a surgx subspecialty) I would like a place where I can learn a ton and be able to do well on the shelf. I also heard that Beaumont allows a month in a speciality during their surgery rotation...anyone know if this is true? I have heard mixed reviews on DRH, what do you guys think? Any info on St.Johns? I heard Oakwood was pretty cushy so I will probably avoid that one. HFH i can't do, since I didn't do the clinical campus deal.

Anyway, thanks to all that can help. (sorry for only posting questions asking for advice)

OK first, if you haven't locked in your choices yet, consider doing medicine first. You can do many of the surgical subspecialties without surgery first - check out the elective descriptions (I did medicine first - Group 1 and did a neurosurg elective, I know others that did ENT).

From what I've heard, St. John is the best place for surgery especially if you want to do a subspecialty - you'll get to rotate through some of these there (I hadn't heard that about Beaumont but that could be true). Doing surgery at DRH/Harper gives you a good feel for what a general surgery residency would be like, but you'll really only have time to see general surg and not any subspecialties. My DRH month wasn't bad hours-wise and I had fun there, but I liked trauma, you just don't see the OR too much there. In my harper month, I worked 110 hours in three of four weeks, and was in the OR constantly. It gives one a feel for what residency will be like, I just don't know how much value it has for an M3 (I don't think that I'd want to step in the ring with the Mike Tyson of 20 years ago just to see what a real heavy weight fight would be like - know what I mean?).

 

[srs1234]

Thanks for the advice.

NSG is the elective I want to do also. Did you do it at Harper with Dr. G.? How was it? I would rather have medicine before surgx, but I am nervous about 2 things: 1. will I be lost in the NSG rotation? and 2. I am afraid Wayne will pull the ole' "we neglected to tell you until you locked in your choices but last year we let students do that, this year we are changing the policy." Anyway, Thanks a ton for the advice...it is much appreciated!

oh, what about medicine rotation....this is a big toss up for me. St. John is the closest to where I live; has anyone heard good/bad things about it?

Thanks 👍

 

[mendel121]

Thanks for the advice.

NSG is the elective I want to do also. Did you do it at Harper with Dr. G.? How was it? I would rather have medicine before surgx, but I am nervous about 2 things: 1. will I be lost in the NSG rotation? and 2. I am afraid Wayne will pull the ole' "we neglected to tell you until you locked in your choices but last year we let students do that, this year we are changing the policy." Anyway, Thanks a ton for the advice...it is much appreciated!

oh, what about medicine rotation....this is a big toss up for me. St. John is the closest to where I live; has anyone heard good/bad things about it?

Thanks 👍

Yep, I did the Harper one - I felt a little lost for a few days, but they knew that I hadn't had surgery yet, so it wasn't a big deal, the residents and attendings are all very nice and willing to help and teach. I think that the lack of a surgery pre-req is up to Dr. G., not the school, so you should be OK (however you've been at Wayne for 2 years, so you know, there are no guarantees). Just one heads up - you can only do three surgery/surgery subspecialty electives, including the third year one. I didn't know that and it sorta sucks, but just keep it in mind.

I don't have much to say about medicine, I did mine and Oakwood and loved it. The only thing I will say, is to make sure you mix in some time away from the DMC.

 

[oldjeeps]

oh, what about medicine rotation....this is a big toss up for me. St. John is the closest to where I live; has anyone heard good/bad things about it?

While it's not the same as hearing anything good about medicine at St. John... I haven't heard anything bad about doing it there... actually haven't heard anything about doing medicine there.

 

[fun8stuff]

While it's not the same as hearing anything good about medicine at St. John... I haven't heard anything bad about doing it there... actually haven't heard anything about doing medicine there.

free food. that is all i have heard.

 

[deowolf04]

Hello everyone. This will be my final post on this forum.

Today marks the last day of my last rotation as a med student. It's time to retire the short white coat; I have yet to decide if "retire" consists of keeping it in the back of a closet or just burning it. God only knows what is growing on it by now despite regular cleanings, so I may decide on the latter.

I have enjoyed my time on this forum as a place to give and receive advice, to just vent on how things are going with no administrators looking over our shoulders, and to keep in touch in general. And so I have a few final things to say to members of each class:

To my fellow 4th years: We made it!!! See you at the festivities in June.
To the 3rd years: Remember that 4th year is all about getting into residency (Take step 2 CK seriously, please, for your own sake), but do try to make the most of your low-stress electives. I hope to see a few of you in K-zoo on your interview trail this winter.
To the 1st and 2nd years: Believe me, life does get better once you leave Scott Hall, even though it may not seem that way during some of your 3rd year rotations. Just make sure to pass step 1 the first time.

To all, good luck and farewell.

DW

 

[fun8stuff]

Hello everyone. This will be my final post on this forum.

Today marks the last day of my last rotation as a med student. It's time to retire the short white coat; I have yet to decide if "retire" consists of keeping it in the back of a closet or just burning it. God only knows what is growing on it by now despite regular cleanings, so I may decide on the latter.

I have enjoyed my time on this forum as a place to give and receive advice, to just vent on how things are going with no administrators looking over our shoulders, and to keep in touch in general. And so I have a few final things to say to members of each class:

To my fellow 4th years: We made it!!! See you at the festivities in June.
To the 3rd years: Remember that 4th year is all about getting into residency (Take step 2 CK seriously, please, for your own sake), but do try to make the most of your low-stress electives. I hope to see a few of you in K-zoo on your interview trail this winter.
To the 1st and 2nd years: Believe me, life does get better once you leave Scott Hall, even though it may not seem that way during some of your 3rd year rotations. Just make sure to pass step 1 the first time.

To all, good luck and farewell.

DW

ok, nice "knowing" you and thanks for the advice over the last few years. good luck with the rest of your career.

 

[oldjeeps]

I hear that the MS2s only have one exam to go.

Congrats on making it through second year and best of luck to y'all as you hit your strides studying for step 1.

For my fellow MS4s, only 23 days until graduation😀... but who's counting.

 

[fun8stuff]

I hear that the MS2s only have one exam to go.

Congrats on making it through second year and best of luck to y'all as you hit your strides studying for step 1.

For my fellow MS4s, only 23 days until graduation😀... but who's counting.

well then i have ~388 days left

 

[dancinjenn]

well that i have ~388 days left

HA! I have a counter on my home computer that is counting down the days as well... however I have an alternative purpose as well. It is also the count down to when I won't have to live w/ my in-laws any more!!!!


p.s. Happy Mother's Day to my fellow mom's!

 

[Tandoori Jones]

I was hoping someone could give me some insight on this. I'm a Canadian citizen and have been accepted at Wayne State. Being Canadian there are certain conveniences I can see for myself if I live in Windsor and go to school. But, at the same time I can totally see how there could be some problems with that as well. So does anyone have an idea of whether living in Windsor and attending Wayne State is a good idea or even at all feasable or would one just simply be better off taking the foreigner route and hopping the border to detroit?

Thanks

 

[coffeebythelake]

I was hoping someone could give me some insight on this. I'm a Canadian citizen and have been accepted at Wayne State. Being Canadian there are certain conveniences I can see for myself if I live in Windsor and go to school. But, at the same time I can totally see how there could be some problems with that as well. So does anyone have an idea of whether living in Windsor and attending Wayne State is a good idea or even at all feasable or would one just simply be better off taking the foreigner route and hopping the border to detroit?

Thanks

Don't live in Windsor. Save yourself the inconvenience of crossing the border every day. There are plenty of cheap apartments and safe neighborhoods near the medical school.

Yay for Canadians. We're taking over ^^

 

[Tandoori Jones]

I know that there have been changes to the clerkship structure at Wayne State, and was wondering if one would be able to do electives in Canada at all. Would that even be a possiblity? Just wanted to know because ive read around that if I want to consider a canadian residency down the line electives in canada would be valuable.

Thanks

 

[tybalt]

I know that there have been changes to the clerkship structure at Wayne State, and was wondering if one would be able to do electives in Canada at all. Would that even be a possiblity? Just wanted to know because ive read around that if I want to consider a canadian residency down the line electives in canada would be valuable.

Thanks

I imagine it would be best to call student affairs and ask them directly (or hopefully a student who has done a rotation like this will answer), but I am sure a canadian elective would be very possible. Students do international electives in their 4th year all the time and they do them in much farther off lands. It will just take some planning on your part beginning a year or more before you want to do the elective.

"Canadians are always dreaming up a lotta ways to ruin our lives. The metric system, for the love of God! Celsius! Neil Young!" -- Canadian Bacon

 

[oldjeeps]

I know that there have been changes to the clerkship structure at Wayne State, and was wondering if one would be able to do electives in Canada at all. Would that even be a possiblity? Just wanted to know because ive read around that if I want to consider a canadian residency down the line electives in canada would be valuable.

Thanks

Purely speculation on my part (and we never know what changes WSU will make in the future), but I see no reason why it would not be possible to do one rotation – during fourth year – in Canada.
Of course, it would probably count as the one international elective that WSU-SOM allows you. And would probably require all of the annoying WSU-SOM paperwork that goes along with an international elective – which IMHO is a bunch of BS.
Also, I know of at least one person in my class that matched to a program in Canada and I don’t think he did a rotation over there. My guess is that if you are a Canadian, then doing a rotation there may help but it is not necessary. Sort of like any of the "audition rotations", they can either help you or really hurt you, but certainly aren’t necessary unless you are after one of the super competitive residencies at a super competitive program.

Now I’ll leave it for all of the Canadians to chime in.

 

[tybalt]

I have the CCC exam on wednesday... What did you guys think of the exam? I have to say it's hard to really care about it since grades are either S or Fail for CCC.

 

[boobaunutz]

quick q, what cellphone carriers work well at the school/hospital/area?
i'm on t-mobile; my contract expires soon. the price is right but now that t-mobile got rid of catherine zeta-jones i have less attraction their efficient, german ways.
thanks.

 

[tybalt]

quick q, what cellphone carriers work well at the school/hospital/area?
i'm on t-mobile; my contract expires soon. the price is right but now that t-mobile got rid of catherine zeta-jones i have less attraction their efficient, german ways.
thanks.

I have sprint and it seems to work pretty well though I don't know if it's the best. I can't always get a good signal inside the MD labs, but it works well if I go out to a hallway. Haven't had any problems in the hospitals (except, of course, if I am deep inside a building built in an era when buildings were apparently meant to double as bomb shelters... Peds On call room, I'm lookin' at you!).

 

[fun8stuff]

quick q, what cellphone carriers work well at the school/hospital/area?
i'm on t-mobile; my contract expires soon. the price is right but now that t-mobile got rid of catherine zeta-jones i have less attraction their efficient, german ways.
thanks.

verizon works well for me

 

[ksav]

verizon works well for me

my friends and i have joked a lot about this this year... the few of us who have verizon would be texting during class, however, my roommate who has att wouldn't get her texts/messages until leaving school.

i think that the iphone gets better reception in school (somehow), but even then there have been many a times that those with att/sprint/t-mobile have been left wanting when in comes to reception inside scott hall.

what it comes down to though is how much you're actually going to spend in scott hall. if you're going to stream everything, get whatever plan you want with whatever provider. but if you're planning on going to class and potentially studying at school, i would definitely recommend verizon over all other providers.

 

[dancinjenn]

I have the CCC exam on wednesday... What did you guys think of the exam? I have to say it's hard to really care about it since grades are either S or Fail for CCC.

Just do the practice q's....hint-hint... I'm sure you already know this but it should be said again that this is one of the easiest tests of med school.

Current gripe: On my surgery evals. One comment from a senior(a pgy7 w/ a critical care year and a year in research) that said(mostly quote): I was the best student he had had all year, solid OR skills, self-directed learner who always asked advanced questions.(Fill in 5-6 more lines of good stuff) Dedicated student who will make a good surgeon.

😀 I think I deserve a smiley for that one.

From the other senior (a pgy4) on the other month: Student needs to focus more on work/study while at the hospital and not on outside concerns. Needs to learn to read about subject matter and answer own questions.

And on and on it went. I can't remember all of the other horrid things she put but it filled up about 10 lines on the eval sheet. WTF 😡 Notice the red text...she told me to my face at one piont that she understood why I was not interested in surgery because I had a family and that was okay. During another conversation she also told me that she didn't want to get married or have kids EVER because it would take away from her career. I knew she was a little hardcore, but now IMO stone-cold-b*tch who is intimidated by those of us who can accomplish things in the medical world and still go home and gestate.

For those of you who know me, y'all know that I'm a "want-to-do-surgery-chic" who does not think that her "MOM" status is a detriment to said goal. Way cool senior of the good-evals even told me at one point that he genuinely thought that those students/residents who had spouses and families kept said people more grounded, and that they had a better vision of why they were doing all of this, and that they were less likely to get burnt out.

Ok - rant over....but I may have to rant again in the future...🙄

 

[fun8stuff]

Just do the practice q's....hint-hint... I'm sure you already know this but it should be said again that this is one of the easiest tests of med school.

Current gripe: On my surgery evals. One comment from a senior(a pgy7 w/ a critical care year and a year in research) that said(mostly quote): I was the best student he had had all year, solid OR skills, self-directed learner who always asked advanced questions.(Fill in 5-6 more lines of good stuff) Dedicated student who will make a good surgeon.

😀 I think I deserve a smiley for that one.

From the other senior (a pgy4) on the other month: Student needs to focus more on work/study while at the hospital and not on outside concerns. Needs to learn to read about subject matter and answer own questions.

And on and on it went. I can't remember all of the other horrid things she put but it filled up about 10 lines on the eval sheet. WTF 😡 Notice the red text...she told me to my face at one piont that she understood why I was not interested in surgery because I had a family and that was okay. During another conversation she also told me that she didn't want to get married or have kids EVER because it would take away from her career. I knew she was a little hardcore, but now IMO stone-cold-b*tch who is intimidated by those of us who can accomplish things in the medical world and still go home and gestate.

For those of you who know me, y'all know that I'm a "want-to-do-surgery-chic" who does not think that her "MOM" status is a detriment to said goal. Way cool senior of the good-evals even told me at one point that he genuinely thought that those students/residents who had spouses and families kept said people more grounded, and that they had a better vision of why they were doing all of this, and that they were less likely to get burnt out.

Ok - rant over....but I may have to rant again in the future...🙄

There are some real malignant personalities out there, more prevalent in certain areas of medicine than others. You have to try not to take these comments to heart and realize that their opinion means nothing. Contrary to what some may believe, there is more to life than medicine. It's ironic in some ways because med schools do their best at recruiting well-rounded applicants and then many of the people in the field expect you to drop these things the minute you start med school 🙄

 

[boobaunutz]

get whatever

thanks errrryone.

 

[fun8stuff]

anyone know some "good" 4th year rotations to take in December....???

 

[oldjeeps]

anyone know some "good" 4th year rotations to take in December....???

Depends on what you mean by "good".
1. something that you can get multiple days off for interviews
2. something that you are going to learn something
3. something that will let you take time off for the holidays
4. etc


I did an ICU month at St. John's. No complaints about it, they were very accommodating for time off for the holidays and interviews (but most of my interviews were in Nov. and Jan.)

 

[tybalt]

anyone know some "good" 4th year rotations to take in December....???

I wish we could take fun undergrad-type classes for electives, like golf or cooking. That would rock my world.

I'm baking brownies right now. They will be awesome.