Wayne State Waitlist

[Jon Davis]

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If this is the case, then I don't know what to think because they clearly explained on interview day that they have 6 offer dates and they accept 1/6 of the class on each offer date. This contradicts what you heard about "overaccepting". So, either they lied to everyone who interviewed, or they are lying to us now. In either case, that is very unprofessional.

I agree. I would assume that the policy written on the paper has much more weight than what some secretaries tell you on the phone. They have to honor the system they described in the interview packet at all times. Unless they changed their game plan and really didn't notify the bulk of applicants which is shady in my opinion. (They have our emails!!!)

As far as the secretaries saying that the class is "full", it will always be full. Thats all they can say. Think about it, they are swapping one accepted guy for another making the class "full" at all times.

 

[PriorityMed]

So essentially the whole "overacceptance" philosophy should be disregarded? I agree that the school should follow what they have written in several different locations, i.e. interview materials and the webpage. It just seems very unsettling that "all of a sudden" Wayne decided to overaccept this year. I believe that they overaccept from a standpoint of taking people they know clearly won't go to Wayne, and then hope to get more from the waitlist. I am still apprehensive at believing that Wayne's adcom selected such a deadnuts estimate of how many kids to accept to the point that right now they've only had 5 withdrawals over their acceptable limit.... Thanks for the update Jon.

 

[kuli]

So essentially the whole "overacceptance" philosophy should be disregarded? I agree that the school should follow what they have written in several different locations, i.e. interview materials and the webpage. It just seems very unsettling that "all of a sudden" Wayne decided to overaccept this year. I believe that they overaccept from a standpoint of taking people they know clearly won't go to Wayne, and then hope to get more from the waitlist. I am still apprehensive at believing that Wayne's adcom selected such a deadnuts estimate of how many kids to accept to the point that right now they've only had 5 withdrawals over their acceptable limit.... Thanks for the update Jon.

I personally believe that if Wayne wanted to or indeed did accept more than the class size, they wouldn't tell us, no matter if they put it in writing or not. They surely do not seem to care if we have been told different things throughout the application cycle. I also think that it seems weird that they are telling us they have so few withdraws when we know just from our common knowledge that more people have withdrawn than that. I completely agree with a previous post in that I think they are very inconsiderate and rude and have been unhelpful in every way during this period. I can't understand why they can't give a general, but definitive answer about anything. Anyway, at this point I am not expecting too much from them 🙁

 

[.edu-MD]

I think you all may be taking the 1/6 of the class concept too literally. As it was explained to me by the admissions office staff, Wayne, like many other schools, overaccepts. Based on withdrawal histories from previous years, they apparently calculate the number of acceptances they should hand out each year (which is greater than the number of spots available). What follows is that they would offer ~1/6 of these acceptances (NOT class spots) each offer date.
For example, if based on the past several years, ~25% of their accepted students decline, then they would accept ~400 to fill a class of 300 (since they're expecting 25% of the 400, i.e. 100, to decline). Now they probably wouldn't cut it this close but you get the idea.

Note that the numbers I used above are purely made up for ease of calculations!

 

[PriorityMed]

So is everyone that got accepted as gung ho about Wayne State as we are then? How come there is usually so much more waitlist movement? Did these people get the hint that Wayne's great? Sorry I'm obsessing, it just sucks being on a waitlist...

 

[mtDNA]

So is everyone that got accepted as gung ho about Wayne State as we are then? How come there is usually so much more waitlist movement? Did these people get the hint that Wayne's great? Sorry I'm obsessing, it just sucks being on a waitlist...

Well, if anything I would think that people would be less gung ho about wayne this year than in previous years due to the DMC situation. I have heard some residency programs with DMC were already cut. Honestly, the only reason I care about Wayne so much is because it is my last chance at an MD acceptance this year. I would take UMich over wayne in a heartbeat, but I don't have that option.

 

[bagonnia]

I am pretty sure it is 1/6 of the class. That was made very clear by the number 50. Did anyone else notice there was actually 7 acceptance dates? I wonder what that has to do with this.

Good luck.

 

[Jon Davis]

I think you all may be taking the 1/6 of the class concept too literally. As it was explained to me by the admissions office staff, Wayne, like many other schools, overaccepts. Based on withdrawal histories from previous years, they apparently calculate the number of acceptances they should hand out each year (which is greater than the number of spots available). What follows is that they would offer ~1/6 of these acceptances (NOT class spots) each offer date.
For example, if based on the past several years, ~25% of their accepted students decline, then they would accept ~400 to fill a class of 300 (since they're expecting 25% of the 400, i.e. 100, to decline). Now they probably wouldn't cut it this close but you get the idea.

Note that the numbers I used above are purely made up for ease of calculations!

Understood. Thanks for the clarification.

I'm hoping this year is not that different from other years for the waitlist. Movement should be going on now. I was told by several students that there is a lot of waitlist movement each year, mainly in June. If any of you have any movement information, please share.

 

[Jon Davis]

I am pretty sure it is 1/6 of the class. That was made very clear by the number 50. Did anyone else notice there was actually 7 acceptance dates? I wonder what that has to do with this.

Good luck.

I believe the first one was for Early Decision Acceptances back in September.

 

[elhalish]

The assumption that they give out 1/7th of the exact class size(290) at each offer date is wrong. They give out 1/7th of a decided number of offers needed to END UP with a class of 290. When the class size was 260, they gave out between 350-450 spots. I Know this from a committee member that has been with Wayne for over 30 years.

Someone call today to try to find out more info. I have called so many times, I think they are starting to recognize my voice.

 

[.edu-MD]

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[oldjeeps]

Someone call today to try to find out more info. I have called so many times, I think they are starting to recognize my voice.

Just how often are y'all calling?

Back when I was in your shoes (for multiple summers), I was advised that if I was calling the admissions office more often than once per week then I was calling too often.

 

[oldjeeps]

the DMC situation.

WSU orthopedics training program Oakwood bound

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060606/BUSINESS06/606060383

 

[ijcMD]

I think this has the potential to be a positive for the school, if they can do what they seem to be trying to do. And that is strengthen the already existing relationships with the numerous other health systems in the area. I see Henry Ford as the big one. While there's already some research collaboration between HF and WSU that I'm aware of, I'm sure both would love to foster this even more. It would be a huge asset for WSU when it comes time to submit for the NIH CTSA grants in a few years. If Wayne is serious about being a part of NIH's roadmap, I believe the school needs to add a formal partnership with HF. And likewise for HF with Wayne.

I just don't see the contract situation with the DMC affecting med students. There are plenty of rotation sites in other health systems the school can use. There is just too much interdependency for a big split.

I also agree. The more connections WSU has with the HF Health System, the better for WSU. The main reason for this is that HF and Umich are the two most nationally recognized health systems currently operating in the state of Michigan. On a side note, did you know that Henry Ford was founded from the same principles and ideas that Mayo Clinic was as well.

In regards to the waitlist, I spoke to an admissions officer yesterday and I was informed that they will be releasing spots to the waitlist in packets of five students each week, every other week, or as spots become available. They released five spots last week, but no word on if all those applicants accepted, she said.

 

[thes_hunter]

Just how often are y'all calling?

Back when I was in your shoes (for multiple summers), I was advised that if I was calling the admissions office more often than once per week then I was calling too often.

I called last summer and asked if there was anything I could do to show my interest and I was told distainfully that If I hadn't gotten in yet, nothing that I would do would matter.

I have been a little afraid of calling them on the phone again. 😳

 

[thes_hunter]

Ok, Sorry about the double post, but I decided I would suck it up and try calling again myself, since I haven't called this year.


I was told they offered 5 people off the waitlist due to the lack of withdrawals. They didn't expect to have too many more withdrawals. And that in about a week or so they would start formally rejecting people on 'the bottom part' of the waitlist.

Just FYI.

 

[sailingdoc]

WSU orthopedics training program Oakwood bound

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060606/BUSINESS06/606060383

FYI, if you read the article Dr. Robert Mentzer Jr., the new dean for the School of Medicine said "While the school permanently lost the 24 residents in the early years of the orthopedics program..." WTF is he talking about? Those students they permanently 'lost' comprised over 75% of the program. They were tossed out onto the streets and forced to solicit positions at other residency programs across the country. Imagine working you a** off for however many years to find out that your program just evaporated and you have to move...somewhere!!!

This type of poor management of the breakdown between Wayne and the DMC will hurt the school if it continues to be (mis)handled in this fashion.

 

[MissCutie]

Ok, Sorry about the double post, but I decided I would suck it up and try calling again myself, since I haven't called this year.


I was told they offered 5 people off the waitlist due to the lack of withdrawals. They didn't expect to have too many more withdrawals. And that in about a week or so they would start formally rejecting people on 'the bottom part' of the waitlist.

Just FYI.

i called today too. i was told about the same thing. the only added information i got from the phone call is that they expect to offer around 15-20 more spots over the summer. it's not particularly encouraging since wayne state usually offers 50-75 spots, but i guess it's better than nothing. this situation really sucks. im on msu's waitlist too, so i hope that situation is a little bit better. i doubt it though. 🙁

 

[HamburgerHelper]

i called today too. i was told about the same thing. the only added information i got from the phone call is that they expect to offer around 15-20 more spots over the summer. it's not particularly encouraging since wayne state usually offers 50-75 spots, but i guess it's better than nothing. this situation really sucks. im on msu's waitlist too, so i hope that situation is a little bit better. i doubt it though. 🙁

Blah. I guess I'll be reapplying then. Why did they change their method this year? Not fair ;[

 

[PriorityMed]

Ok,
I called the admissions office and asked specifically if it was ok to reapply if my application was under consideration. I was told that this was fine. Has anyone heard or experienced differently?

 

[bagonnia]

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[PriorityMed]

At least MSU and Wayne State are the top two threads on sdn right now, that's kinda nice... But anyways, does anyone know if it's alright to reapply with an application still under consideration?

 

[kuli]

At least MSU and Wayne State are the top two threads on sdn right now, that's kinda nice... But anyways, does anyone know if it's alright to reapply with an application still under consideration?

Yes, it is. Too bad that is all I know right now 🙁

 

[ganish]

Hey all,

Just wanted to say good luck. I have not gotten in either but I think we all could use the support of each other.

lf

 

[sailingdoc]

Hey all,

Just wanted to say good luck. I have not gotten in either but I think we all could use the support of each other.

lf

Howabout a Group Hug Everybody?...WTF!

 

[thes_hunter]

Howabout a Group Hug Everybody?...WTF!

Hey right now, I could use a group hug.




Good luck everyone with this, other schools, or what ever your plan B's might be.

 

[sailingdoc]

At least MSU and Wayne State are the top two threads on sdn right now, that's kinda nice... But anyways, does anyone know if it's alright to reapply with an application still under consideration?

Here's my rant about reapplying while still being considered...which is something we are all facing. Foremost, I think it shows a strong commitment to the goal. The one thing that the adcoms need to realize is: yeah my stock may be rather low this go 'round but I am only becoming a better applicant having gone through this sh*tty experience. So here's their opportunity to snag me, because I am not going to wait around for them to decide while putting myself at a disadvantage for next year...WTF!

p.s. Sorry about the WTF frequency, but I am rather new at this shorthand. And I am quickly beginning to figure how often I would use it in the 'real world' if I didn't bow to such proprieties...perhaps I'd even go to work naked?

 

[UMP]

would anyone mind posting their MCAT/GPA/sciGPA so I can see what kind of people they are waitlisting? Wayne State looks like where my best chance is of acceptance for 2007 and I'm wondering how competetive they're getting...

 

[mtDNA]

would anyone mind posting their MCAT/GPA/sciGPA so I can see what kind of people they are waitlisting? Wayne State looks like where my best chance is of acceptance for 2007 and I'm wondering how competetive they're getting...

MCAT: 33Q
GPA: 4.0
SciGPA: 4.0

 

[Firstattempt]

would anyone mind posting their MCAT/GPA/sciGPA so I can see what kind of people they are waitlisting? Wayne State looks like where my best chance is of acceptance for 2007 and I'm wondering how competetive they're getting...

This is my first post, but I am tired of hearing about GPA. It is not all about GPA. Not even close. Most schools are looking for the best well rounded student. Look outside the box to enhance you application. Wayne is a great outside the box school. It takes far more work to do this than get a 4.0 in a class.

 

[kuli]

This is my first post, but I am tired of hearing about GPA. It is not all about GPA. Not even close. Most schools are looking for the best well rounded student. Look outside the box to enhance you application. Wayne is a great outside the box school. It takes far more work to do this than get a 4.0 in a class.

I slightly disagree. Although I think medical schools really like well-rounded students, GPA is still really important to many schools. Furthermore, I have great ECs, ranging from great research experience and a publication to clinical exposure and volunteering and I am waitlisted at Wayne. I also know a few people who have gotten into Wayne that haven't had great ECs, but did well in school. So, don't discount the numbers too quickly.

 

[Firstattempt]

I slightly disagree. Although I think medical schools really like well-rounded students, GPA is still really important to many schools. Furthermore, I have great ECs, ranging from great research experience and a publication to clinical exposure and volunteering and I am waitlisted at Wayne. I also know a few people who have gotten into Wayne that haven't had great ECs, but did well in school. So, don't discount the numbers too quickly.

Grades get you in the door, but then they want to know who are you?
What are you bring to the University?

 

[PriorityMed]

Here's my rant about reapplying while still being considered...which is something we are all facing. Foremost, I think it shows a strong commitment to the goal. The one thing that the adcoms need to realize is: yeah my stock may be rather low this go 'round but I am only becoming a better applicant having gone through this sh*tty experience. So here's their opportunity to snag me, because I am not going to wait around for them to decide while putting myself at a disadvantage for next year...WTF!

p.s. Sorry about the WTF frequency, but I am rather new at this shorthand. And I am quickly beginning to figure how often I would use it in the 'real world' if I didn't bow to such proprieties...perhaps I'd even go to work naked?

If my primary goal is to be a doctor, and secondary goal is to be a doctor educated at Wayne State, then wouldn't reapplying early be the right decision? In my case, my senior year was spent getting excellent grades and graduating with the highest gpa in my major, as well as other clinically relevant endeavours and some significant volunteering. I think waiting until July or August puts me at a distinct disadvantage in the whole process.

 

[PriorityMed]

Every time I think about being on the waitlist at Wayne and MSU I feel like getting a boombox and an ABBA CD and going to the respective admissions offices and playing "take a chance on me" over and over and over, and I would if I thought it would help. Is anyone else reapplying before waiting to hear about the waitlist? I think I might just do that, and not designate wayne state as one of my schools until I know for sure.

 

[Jon Davis]

I'm willing to hold on till the end of June and beginning of July. Waiting is so tough.

 

[kuli]

Every time I think about being on the waitlist at Wayne and MSU I feel like getting a boombox and an ABBA CD and going to the respective admissions offices and playing "take a chance on me" over and over and over, and I would if I thought it would help. Is anyone else reapplying before waiting to hear about the waitlist? I think I might just do that, and not designate wayne state as one of my schools until I know for sure.

I am going to reapply soon, including Wayne. I think that it would only show them determination for medicine and an earnest interest in their school. I also think that waiting past very early July can be very detrimental. The only thing holding me back is the cost of applying.

 

[georgeomally]

I am going to reapply soon, including Wayne. I think that it would only show them determination for medicine and an earnest interest in their school. I also think that waiting past very early July can be very detrimental. The only thing holding me back is the cost of applying.

I think I will wait until the 1st week of July or so. If what was said earlier (that they will start formally rejecting people off the waitlist soon), I would rather wait and see what happens. The wait is killing me 🙁

 

[HamburgerHelper]

I think I will wait until the 1st week of July or so. If what was said earlier (that they will start formally rejecting people off the waitlist soon), I would rather wait and see what happens. The wait is killing me 🙁

The wait is horrible for all of us I believe and Wayne's inability to be forthcoming with information makes it even worse.

 

[georgeomally]

The wait is horrible for all of us I believe and Wayne's inability to be forthcoming with information makes it even worse.

Did y'all read the email from Dawn Street? Looks like they are sick of all our questions..

 

[Optimusprime16]

Yes...and whose heartrate shot through the roof?

 

[georgeomally]

mine did...in fear that i was getting the boot off the list...

 

[mtDNA]

Unfortunately that email says it all: they said they do not expect to make anymore offers. All of you guys who are reapplying should go ahead and finish up your AMCAS in my opinion. I'm headin to MSUCOM this fall (well...make that summer; they start early). I just don't have it in me to do this a second time. Good luck to all of you guys.

 

[PriorityMed]

Unfortunately that email says it all: they said they do not expect to make anymore offers. All of you guys who are reapplying should go ahead and finish up your AMCAS in my opinion. I'm headin to MSUCOM this fall (well...make that summer; they start early). I just don't have it in me to do this a second time. Good luck to all of you guys.

I just submitted AMCAS and AACOMAS today, so it shouldn't take long for those to be processed. I still can't get over your numbers(gpa and mcat) and still not getting accepted. That just boggles my mind. I had the same mcat score with slightly lower gpa. I guess it goes to show that this whole process is a very humbling one and that continued perserverance is essential. Good luck at MSU COM, I heard it's great and I have a lot of friends going there next year.

 

[HamburgerHelper]

I will probably reapply the last week of June since I have been told most schools don't even d/l the information until early to mid-July.

So far, this has been so ridiculous and unfair. But, that's the way the system is and I don't think it's going to change. That email, though, erased all hope I had...

 

[etf]

actually, i'm kinda glad that they dashed all hope in june, instead of stringing me along until august thinking that i had a shot. closure is nice, although it hurts right now...

 

[PriorityMed]

Well, to me this is like a nice way of saying not this year. I guess we could have all been formally rejected, which would have depressed me even more I think. The fact that I almost made it makes it seem like there's a ray of hope for upcoming application cycles.

 

[HamburgerHelper]

actually, i'm kinda glad that they dashed all hope in june, instead of stringing me along until august thinking that i had a shot. closure is nice, although it hurts right now...

It still sucks, though.

 

[elhalish]

That e-mailed pissed me off. Even with all the statements they made, they still neglected to give us any REAL information. Its like they have some legal contract holding them from disclosing numbers or something. Some of us do still have a chance and we should be able to find out where on the list we are so we can better plan our future. It gets quite ridiculous with Wayne State sometimes.

 

[bagonnia]

That e-mailed pissed me off. Even with all the statements they made, they still neglected to give us any REAL information. Its like they have some legal contract holding them from disclosing numbers or something. Some of us do still have a chance and we should be able to find out where on the list we are so we can better plan our future. It gets quite ridiculous with Wayne State sometimes.

Do we resubmit the same activities that we had from before and just add new ones?

 

[Jon Davis]

This is an excerpt from the email.

"Dr. Norman will not be available to meet with anyone on the alternate list. You should do a self evaluation and determine what areas of your application might need to be strengthened and begin working on those areas if you have not already done so."

What garbage. How do I know what they are thinking about me? Maybe its something they see in others that I don't have. There's so many things people can do to improve their application and it's impossible to tell if it would help without some kind of advice or constructive criticism. I feel like I'm going to be wasting my time and money for another year of the same crap.

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