Why's ortho dying?
Because of the creation of stuff like invisalign. Now about ever GP can take a few CE's and now do fast braces for their patients as opposed to referring them out as often as they used to be before this. Helps GP's pockets, hurts Ortho. Of course, not all problems can be fixed with stuff like invisalign, so more complex cases do still get referred out.
4 years after dental school is about the same or less than many medical specialties, so no it's not long at all. The worst part about dentistryis the cost of schools but if you have scholarships or a cheap school, it can be just as cheap. For OMFS, t&t is still killing it as far as I know (from reading online and talking to OMFS residents/grads). Averages for ADA is 460k but is a pretty small sample size. If you have a good partnership or private practice (most OMFS do this instead of working at a hospital for the $), you can probably do equal to this or better. This is b/c the specialty take home % is higher than general dentistry (e.g. 40-50%). So, for example, a OMFS who is doing decently can theoretically have 5-6 wisdom tooth extraction cases in a day. If we assume 1-2k per case and taking home 40-50% of that, you can see how the numbers would become kind of crazy. Dentists on dental town working at corps have seen omfs have 10-20 cases in 1 day on extremely busy days. Also the lifestyle is unbelievably good contrary to popular belief. Many private practice OMFS (and all the ones in my hometown anyway) work like 4 days a week 9-5.
OMFS only takes a long time if you want to do the 6 year route to be a real doctor which is a huge waste of money imo, otherwise it's 4 years.
A total waste of time seeing as the 4 year option exists. So thats 4 years of D school and then 4 years of med school just to have pretty much the same outcome as someone that did 4 years of d school and 6 year med school for OMFS. Yes, overall still end up having an amazing life just one is 2 years less. lol
You mean 4 years of residency but yes. Who knows what the future of medicine and dentistry will look like in 5-10 years, but as of now OMFS is pretty gravy. The people perpetuating the whole "OMFS = surgeon so their hours suck" lie make it less competitive too. And despite the fact that rank matters, crushing the CBSE (which isn't that hard by omfs standards) can offset that a bit.
Yeah figured. Meanwhile, wisdom teeth are a cash cow. I just can't see GPs doing anesthesia required for those cases, but wouldn't be surprised...
Some can I think, but the complicated cases (impacted 3rds I believe) are avoided. And complications. And I'm sure well off people would choose an oral surgeon over a general dentist for implants.
He wants an MD for his own reasons. Someone with only finances in mind would never do that. They call it the 1 million dollar decision bc that's the amount you're likely to lose.
Omfs and peds is stipend just like medicine so they're still great. This is another reason Ortho is bad now. For profit residencies not only make you pay, but they artificially Saturday the market with people that didn't have the stats to match normally. If derm had done that it would be terrible now too I assume, but luckily they care about their people. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I understand derm is well reimbursed because they bottleneck their supply like crazy, not because it takes any more intelligence or skill to do over other specialties correct?
Easily. They start at like 120-130 I'm sure after three to four years (where MD are in residency) they can likely do 170+ with more speed and skills that they learned in that timr. Some corporates advertise 200+ but I wouldn't want to do that.
Got it that's just what I read online. Like why you need a 250+ to be competitive is bc few spots which translates into lower supply. But yea I definitely know despite their low hours it's no cakewalk. I understand they also can have surgical procedures?
I think that may be calculated using 40 hr as full time work week. Not sure though.
Some people seem to have a gigantic chip on their shoulder to go that far. Just be happy with what you’re doing and stop trying to justify it with some Voodoo mathematics that mean exactly zero for individual healthcare practitioner.JAMA Internal Medicine - October 25, 2010 - Physician Wages Across Specialties
"The primary care wage gap was likely conservative owing to exclusion of radiologists, anesthesiologists, and pathologists."
I can see why SDNers are so into EM.
This old thread came up with these numbers.
I'm sure your local oral surgeon is ecstatic every time he/she has to fix your "super" GPs mistakes.
