Why are so many premeds stupid?

[masterMood]

lol my thread has been turned into a poll

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[Bluntman]

lol my thread has been turned into a poll

lol...this thread is great, man! It's got more plot twists than a soap opera!

 

[Saluki]

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Yes: QofQuimica, mchou, Bluntman, notdeadyet, Anastasis, MediMama23, OctoDoc, Saluki

No:

 

[masterMood]

If you can't beat them, join them

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No:

 

[Flopotomist]

Oh look! A bandwagon! I don't even know what we are talking about, but I will totally agree with Q.


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No:


(hmm.. maybe I should scroll up and see what we are talking about)

 

[Hercules022]

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No:

QofQuimica is right, he'd have never risked his grade for such a dumb reason. Also looked at his post history..... it seems he's a frosh transfering to UMich. Looks like SDN can look forward to many years of trolling to come from this guy!
Gotta do something on a Friday night, right?

 

[Bluntman]

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Yes: QofQuimica, mchou, Bluntman, notdeadyet, Anastasis, MediMama23, OctoDoc, Saluki, Hercules022

No:

QofQuimica is right, he'd have never risked his grade for such a dumb reason. Also looked at his post history..... it seems he's a frosh transfering to UMich. Looks like SDN can look forward to many years of trolling to come from this guy!
Gotta do something on a Friday night, right?

yup...a Canadian Freshman. Doesn't get much better than that!

(I don't hate canadians, but I gotta have more cowbell err fuel for this fire!)

 

[Anastasis]

Ok, poll time. Who here thinks TheOpsonizer is a troll? Reply and add yourself.

Yes: QofQuimica, mchou, Bluntman, notdeadyet, Anastasis, MediMama23, OctoDoc, Saluki, Hercules022

No:

QofQuimica is right, he'd have never risked his grade for such a dumb reason. Also looked at his post history..... it seems he's a frosh transfering to UMich. Looks like SDN can look forward to many years of trolling to come from this guy!
Gotta do something on a Friday night, right?

What are you talking about? On friday nights he's enrolled at a CC in Basic Math just just to "keep the curve honest"

 

[Med Addict]

Yes: QofQuimica, mchou, Bluntman, notdeadyet, Anastasis, MediMama23, OctoDoc, Saluki, masterMood, Flopotomist, Med Addict
No:

 

[QofQuimica]

lol my thread has been turned into a poll

You didn't know that SDN was wiki, huh?

BTW, I am going to have to co-opt your poop hot dog thread too. Or at least spin a new one off from it: Would you eat a palmetto bug to ace the MCAT? Personally, I would probably have done it. I mean, I eat shrimp with no problem, so I can only assume that if the roach were boiled, chilled, and smothered in cocktail sauce, it would probably be a'ight.

 

[browniegirl86]

You didn't know that SDN was wiki, huh?

BTW, I am going to have to co-opt your poop hot dog thread too. Or at least spin a new one off from it: Would you eat a palmetto bug to ace the MCAT? Personally, I would probably have done it. I mean, I eat shrimp with no problem, so I can only assume that if the roach were boiled, chilled, and smothered in cocktail sauce, it would probably be a'ight.

That made me vomit a little.

 

[Kuba]

Yes: QofQuimica, mchou, Bluntman, notdeadyet, Anastasis, MediMama23, OctoDoc, Saluki, masterMood, Flopotomist, Med Addict, DrKuba
No:

 

[QofQuimica]

That made me vomit a little.

Luckily for you, you don't have to worry about acing the MCAT.

 

[browniegirl86]

Luckily for you, you don't have to worry about acing the MCAT.

Hahaha thank goodness that roach thing wasn't around 2 years ago!

 

[OctoDoc]

...if the roach were boiled, chilled, and smothered in cocktail sauce, it would probably be a'ight.

With the MCAT on the line, you know it's going to be like sushi, i.e. Palmetto tartare.

I'd have done it. I'm sure I've eaten just as gross things in my sleep. And just what was that crunchy thing in my pudding?

 

[QofQuimica]

With the MCAT on the line, you know it's going to be like sushi, i.e. Palmetto tartare.

I'd have done it. I'm sure I've eaten just as gross things in my sleep. And just what was that crunchy thing in my pudding?

 

[rtmcad2319]

I am also a girl and a catholic conservative so I guess my opinion really doesn't matter. So far my grades have been excellent and I have had the opportunity to take advantage of certain situations but I chose not to. I just have strong morals and I love the satisfaction that comes when I study my butt off to learn something and do great on an exam. That's just me. I want to know I can do it on my own and I am very competitive. I'm sure she still appreciated your gesture. You shouldn't let it get to you. It is her life.

is that you in your avatar?

 

[OwnageMobile]

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No:


I almost feel sorry for the guy.

Hey Q, the first and only time I heard "palmetto bug" was when I was in South Carolina. Is this of any significance? You from around there?

 

[austinap]

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No:


I'd definately eat the bug to ace my MCATs. No questions asked, I'm not even exactly sure what they are, but I can imagine horrible thing and I'd eat every one of them in order to ace that test. Hell, it'd only taste bad for a few minutes.

 

[OctoDoc]

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No:


I'd definately eat the bug to ace my MCATs. No questions asked, I'm not even exactly sure what they are, but I can imagine horrible thing and I'd eat every one of them in order to ace that test. Hell, it'd only taste bad for a few minutes.

Palmetto bug, a.k.a. German cockroach. Big sucker that flies. I don't think taste will be the problem. Crunch crunch, wiggle wiggle.

http://www.blufftontoday.com/images/palmettobug.jpg

http://roachcontrol.com/aroach.jpg

 

[OctoDoc]

From http://hardware.silicon.com/pdas/0,39024643,39124887,00.htm


Man eats 13 cockroaches to win iPod

You can love them too much...

Published: Monday 11 October 2004

Apple's iPods are this year's gadget of choice for techies and consumers alike - and some people are so desperate to get their hands on the music players they're prepared to eat cockroaches.

A contest staged in New York offered locals a chance to win an iPod by eating the most insects with their hands tied behind their back. The winner managed to eat one more bug than his closest rival, according to local paper The Journal News, swallowing 13 of the oven-cooked creepy crawlies.

While winner Shai Pariente reportedly enjoyed the polishing off the pests - telling the paper: "They were good... I'd eat them again" - and got to pocket several hundred dollars' worth of iPod into the bargain, the third place contestant wasn't so lucky. After necking two of the creatures, she withdrew from the contest in order to vomit.

The contest was organised to promote the IMAX film A Rainforest Adventure: Bugs! in 3D.

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Mmm, Mmm, good!

 

[LJDHC05]

Ok, poll time. Who here thinks TheOpsonizer is a troll? Reply and add yourself.

Yes: QofQuimica, mchou, Bluntman, notdeadyet, Anastasis, MediMama23, OctoDoc, Saluki, masterMood, Flopotomist, Med Addict, DrKuba, OwnageMobile, Austinap,
No:
He's a Douche bag: LJDHC05


As mentioned earlier he's not a troll, he's a douche and since they're one in the same I guess I just took the liberty of adding my own category

 

[austinap]

Palmetto bug, a.k.a. German cockroach. Big sucker that flies. I don't think taste will be the problem. Crunch crunch, wiggle wiggle.

http://www.blufftontoday.com/images/palmettobug.jpg

http://roachcontrol.com/aroach.jpg

Aww, just those things? No problem, you've just gotta make sure you chew it a bit before you swollow.

 

[ocean09]

I don't feel obliged to defend this, but getting old exams is wrong when not everyone can get them.

But more importantly, few things give me as much pleasure as smokin' the jokers who get the hookups with old exams. This is just my sadistic side talking.

If you are also a fan of academia as a means for retribution read the following story:

Last week was my physio final. The class was given the option of not taking the exam and taking the mean of 2 other exams as a final grade. Having aced those exams, I should have not even taken the exam. But I did. Why you may ask? Simply to blow up the curve for the rest of the stack.

So, for the minority of peeps here who think it's a bit unfair for others to get old exams, don't worry, I notched one on the score tab for us.

:

honestly, i think you are being selfish.

 

[frany584]

I think old tests are great as a study tool if available to every student. But in many cases students rely too heavily on old exams and try memorizing them instead of using them as a guide, which ends up harming their grade instead of helping it. I do like when professors provide old exams because it allows me to get an idea of their testing style. However, old tests aren't always reliable regarding material covered because I have had professors specifically state that they focus on different concepts each semester so old tests wouldn't be helpful, and also things change if they use a new textbook. Or I've had professors just keep all exams.

Also, to QofQuimica's post about eating a bug to ace the MCAT....I DEFINITELY WOULD!!!!

 

[Sarg's kid]

I used to go to an ENT (ear nose throat) who was a total dick, but he was smart as hell. He new what he was talking about, and that made the whole dick-ish thing completely forgiveable. I've also had docs who were nice and sugary, but who couldn't find the south-pointing @$$ on a northbound mule with a compass. (read: not very bright)

If she is doing bad in her pre-reqs, maybe that's God's way of telling her to take the DAT (j/k pre dents.) Lots more people want to be doctors than should, and sucky grades help to redirect some of them to fields with which they are more compatible.

Personally, I think using old tests is a marvelous crutch, most of the time. I used them in Ochem and Genetics (my teacher was old and his tests were disjointed and crazy), but for most classes it's just easier to learn the material well. I say crutch, because I've seen premeds become so fixated on old tests and sneaky study techniques that they couldn't study without them. If they couldn't use their graphing calculator on the test or have access to the question bank, then they couldn't do well.

Some profs suck test wise, and it's good to get a heads up on their whacked out testing angles. Otherwise, I would rely on actually learning stuff. It all has a tendency to come back and haunt you on, oh say, the MCAT. And anything that is medically related will also probably come back to bite you in Medical School.

 

[Rzarecta]

Wow this topic has made 8 pages? Here I go adding to that...

 

[Sarg's kid]

Ok, poll time. Who here thinks TheOpsonizer is a troll? Reply and add yourself.

Yes: QofQuimica, mchou, Bluntman, notdeadyet, Anastasis, MediMama23, OctoDoc, Saluki, masterMood, Flopotomist, Med Addict, DrKuba, OwnageMobile, Austinap,Sarg's Kid
No:

That was unbelievable. It's called KARMA you jerk. Someone will get his come-uppins. Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but I see boils or VD in opsonizers future.

 

[browniegirl86]

Aww, just those things? No problem, you've just gotta make sure you chew it a bit before you swollow.

Sorry, I have a roach phobia. I think they are vile, disgusting creatures. *shudder*

My Thai green curry dinner almost just gave an encore.

 

[masterMood]

Wow this topic has made 8 pages? Here I go adding to that...

i guess i'm just that special

 

[chanx314]

theopsonizer or whatever the hell the name is, all I can say is wow, I didn't ever think people like you existed...although we all take a slight pleasure in seeing something bad happen to people we don't like, you take it to a ridiculous extreme with your acing the final to beat the curve for everyone else...you really strike me as the guy milton from the movie, Office Space, you know the squirrelly looking guy with the stapler who burns the office down. except i think you might end up as some sort of serial killer who kills people who pisses him off, all in the name of holding people accountable "in the stack...i'm pretty sure you'll spend the rest of your life pissed off at the world because of all the guys with the "hookups"

As far as the cheating thing...if the chick doesn't want to use old exams...her prerogative, no one else's, I personally think she's an idiot...but whatever...med school admissions would be tougher without people like her...cheating is one of those things like pornography or garbage that you can't really define but you know it when you see it...and old exams are just not cheating...ever...the tests should change if there's even a hint of someone having an old exam that could give an unfair advantage just because it's almost impossible to catch someone who has an old exam, it's not like plagiarizing an essay

 

[xylem29]

Your friend must be in 1st year because there's no other excuse for her not wanting to use old tests/labs/exams...that is absolutely stupid. Other than old labs (which do help out a lot) - past tests and exams are usually either sold as packages by course unions, put together by the course coordinators (such as MAT135 at U of T) and sold at the university bookstore, or put up online and the professor usually TELLS students to use them.

It's nice to be able to study and work hard BUT - university is a bit more than that - you have know how to play their game if you want to get high grades - studying hard but not knowing what kinds of and, how they will ask questions on tests/exams can really make a difference between a 70 and a 90.

Most pre-meds aren't stupid either

 

[masterMood]

Your friend must be in 1st year because there's no other excuse for her not wanting to use old tests/labs/exams...that is absolutely stupid. Other than old labs (which do help out a lot) - past tests and exams are usually either sold as packages by course unions, put together by the course coordinators (such as MAT135 at U of T) and sold at the university bookstore, or put up online and the professor usually TELLS students to use them.

It's nice to be able to study and work hard BUT - university is a bit more than that - you have know how to play their game if you want to get high grades - studying hard but not knowing what kinds of and, how they will ask questions on tests/exams can really make a difference between a 70 and a 90.

Most pre-meds aren't stupid either

about 30,000 applicants,about 14,000-15,000 get in each year. its roughly 50/50, and if assuming that one is stupid if one does not get in (not necessarily the case, but the majority are?), and assuming that most people don't get in, we could possibly conclude that most pre-meds are stupid

 

[xylem29]

about 30,000 applicants,about 14,000-15,000 get in each year. its roughly 50/50, and if assuming that one is stupid if one does not get in (not necessarily the case, but the majority are?), and assuming that most people don't get in, we could possibly conclude that most pre-meds are stupid

Well, by your estimated numbers quoted above, isn't it more like half of premeds are stupid instead of "most"? And I wouldn't call those who don't get in stupid - I would call your friend stupid though and anyone else who does not use old tests. When your friend is taking a humanities class and the professor gives the exam questions in advance, does she not use those either?...that, ie. not using old tests, my friend, is true stupidity...not getting into med school is not quite as stupid as that!

 

[masterMood]

if its over 50 percent, then it's a majority. I can give recent examples too heh heh.

 

[noonday]

I would call your friend stupid though and anyone else who does not use old tests. When your friend is taking a humanities class and the professor gives the exam questions in advance, does she not use those either?...that, ie. not using old tests, my friend, is true stupidity...not getting into med school is not quite as stupid as that!

hmm.

so, integrity = stupid it seems.

this brings back bad memories of being a non-premed in classes with premeds. where honor codes only applied if you could get caught, and sabotaging another student's chem experiment when they went to get more glassware was considered just another strategic move since there was no explicit rule against it.

if the prof gives you the tests to use as reference, that's cool, and it's dumb not to use them. to go and get another person's tests from a past year without the urging of the prof, that's cheating. plain and simple. you are expected to do your own work in college unless explicitly told otherwise. and that includes not using any resource not freely available to everyone else in the class. it's simply fairness. you are expected to learn the material to know the material, not just be out for a grade. if you use an outside aid, you have to have that aid made available to everyone to be honest and fair and not cheating. just like in elementary school, when you'd bring a snack, you'd have to bring enough to share to be fair. having an internal moral code about all this seems the heart of integrity.

and no, i'm not conservative AT ALL. nor am i at all religious. i just think some things are clearly right, and some are clearly wrong. and cheating is clearly wrong. and this falls into the category of cheating.

call me dumb if you want, but i'd rather lose with integrity than win by cheating.

 

[e_phn]

if its over 50 percent, then it's a majority. I can give recent examples too heh heh.

a record. eh?

 

[e_phn]

if its over 50 percent, then it's a majority. I can give recent examples too heh heh.

a record. eh?

here i am supporting you, mastermood.

 

[masterMood]

hmm.

so, integrity = stupid it seems.

this brings back bad memories of being a non-premed in classes with premeds. where honor codes only applied if you could get caught, and sabotaging another student's chem experiment when they went to get more glassware was considered just another strategic move since there was no explicit rule against it.

if the prof gives you the tests to use as reference, that's cool, and it's dumb not to use them. to go and get another person's tests from a past year without the urging of the prof, that's cheating. plain and simple. you are expected to do your own work in college unless explicitly told otherwise. and that includes not using any resource not freely available to everyone else in the class. it's simply fairness. you are expected to learn the material to know the material, not just be out for a grade. if you use an outside aid, you have to have that aid made available to everyone to be honest and fair and not cheating. just like in elementary school, when you'd bring a snack, you'd have to bring enough to share to be fair. having an internal moral code about all this seems the heart of integrity.

and no, i'm not conservative AT ALL. nor am i at all religious. i just think some things are clearly right, and some are clearly wrong. and cheating is clearly wrong. and this falls into the category of cheating.

call me dumb if you want, but i'd rather lose with integrity than win by cheating.

i would've kicked my elementary school teacher in the nutsack if he ever told me to share my snack with the other kids. If they're too lazy to get their future-fatasses up in the morning to make their own snack, then they don't deserve a snack!

p.s.
i was too short to kick my teacher in the nuts, so i would've probably punched him in the nuts, just to clarify if anyone was confused and/or bewildered at the thought

 

[Auron]

I agree with the OP on several points:

1. Pre-meds are naive idiots, not only about studying, but also about their outlook on medicine (too many issues that will irritate me if I mention them.)

2. There is nothing wrong with using old exams ESPECIALLY because it helps you hone in on what the prof is trying to teach you and what his/her take home message is.

3. If this girl wants to "do it on her own" why doesn't she just do all the research on her own: population studies, lab results, etc., and not use text books THAT is doing it on her own.

4. I am semi-conservative but I have a real problem with holier-than-thous all over the world in the sense that their attitudes cancel out their "good deeds."

I am reminded of a short Islamic story:

There is a saint knelt down in prayer. When a sinner approaches the premise, he is envious of the good man and is afraid to kneel in prayer next to him because his shadow might cast darkness on the saint. The saint in turn rebukes the sinner and is too proud to offer him a seat. At that moment God erases both men's deeds so they are now equal: the saint punished for his pride and the sinner rewarded for his humbleness.

So its fine to use old tests from students who have taken the class? What if the professor doesn't change the exams every year, and can students get in trouble for this?

I'm just surprised at the responses here...

 

[jr doctor in sd]

I was completely against this until last quarter. My friend found that in his physics class (which was graded on just 5-6 quizzes and a final), ALL his old exams were online. Turns out the prof. rotates every 5 years and used the IDENTICAL wording of the Qs from 2002 and my friend had every copy. So every night before my MATH quiz, id study my ass off while he'd memorize his quiz answers. Next day we'd exchange thoughts of how we did and id pull an 80 or something and hed be yelling how "yup exact same quiz! 6/6 again!". He literally got an A in that class in an unfair manner...and i think if its all based on a curve and some people have access to it, you'd be dumb not to try an use past exams. I agree that its sketchy that people do this and hope that teachers recycle Qs, but as people have said - if they do it, the people that used old ones win - and the others lose.

 

[Auron]

I was completely against this until last quarter. My friend found that in his physics class (which was graded on just 5-6 quizzes and a final), ALL his old exams were online. Turns out the prof. rotates every 5 years and used the IDENTICAL wording of the Qs from 2002 and my friend had every copy. So every night before my MATH quiz, id study my ass off while he'd memorize his quiz answers. Next day we'd exchange thoughts of how we did and id pull an 80 or something and hed be yelling how "yup exact same quiz! 6/6 again!". He literally got an A in that class in an unfair manner...and i think if its all based on a curve and some people have access to it, you'd be dumb not to try an use past exams. I agree that its sketchy that people do this and hope that teachers recycle Qs, but as people have said - if they do it, the people that used old ones win - and the others lose.

your friend didn't feel guilty at all doing this? crazy.

 

[HickMD]

So my friend is your "noble" pre-med or whatever you may call it. And she is doing so bad in all her pre-reqs even though she studies her ass off. The big difference why the kids do well in these classes is whether or not you have old tests/old quizzes/old hws etc, and I offered them to her, and she's like no thanks I want to do this on my own effort. Wtf? Are you ******ed? It isn't cheating or anything, it's being smart about the professor's laziness, and using it to your advantage. There's nothing wrong about that. Now that I think about it, she pisses me off because she's one of those do-good, I am right everyone else is wrong, superconservative catholic girls (but not that there's anything wrong with that ).


This is the kind of piss poor attitude that gives pre-meds a bad name. Who wants a physician who takes short cuts. This girl deserves credit for being the type of person who we should want as a physician; however, her chances of getting into med school are a bit hindered by those who cheat (yes, its a form of cheating if the professor does not openly post the old tests and quizzes). Med schools are trying to weed out the cheating kind, that is why they fill their classes with "conservative" type people and BYU and Notre Dame have insane acceptance rates.

 

[jr doctor in sd]

your friend didn't feel guilty at all doing this? crazy.

My friend is some weird hard aeronautical engineering major - everyone in his hard physics classes study like CRAZY and the curve is usually set pretty high (smartest kids at my school basically...after the pre-meds haha). I think he more so justified it by saying the professor is stupid by having his old quizzes up and using them again verbatim. the worst part - answers were identical and he could even just study those but he had to show work so he actually had to "learn" some of the problems. It made me want to go from never using old ones to trying my best to find them everytime haha just an easy way out i guess i dont know

 

[maestro1625]

So its fine to use old tests from students who have taken the class? What if the professor doesn't change the exams every year, and can students get in trouble for this?

I'm just surprised at the responses here...

do you just hang out in the search function all day or what?

 

[emttim]

I don't feel obliged to defend this, but getting old exams is wrong when not everyone can get them.

But more importantly, few things give me as much pleasure as smokin' the jokers who get the hookups with old exams. This is just my sadistic side talking.

If you are also a fan of academia as a means for retribution read the following story:

Last week was my physio final. The class was given the option of not taking the exam and taking the mean of 2 other exams as a final grade. Having aced those exams, I should have not even taken the exam. But I did. Why you may ask? Simply to blow up the curve for the rest of the stack.

So, for the minority of peeps here who think it's a bit unfair for others to get old exams, don't worry, I notched one on the score tab for us.

You're my hero, hahaha.