will they find out?

[erbs8908]

---

Members do not see this ad.

im debating on whether or not i should transfer courses from a comm. college where i did quite bad. it was only two classes and im thinking of just retaking them at my school. will dental schools ever find out about those transcripts? they have yet to be transferred.

 

[psiyung]

im debating on whether or not i should transfer courses from a comm. college where i did quite bad. it was only two classes and im thinking of just retaking them at my school. will dental schools ever find out about those transcripts? they have yet to be transferred.

Don't transfer them and dont tell the school you're applying to that you attended the community college

 

[Veneto]

Unfortunatley they will find out whetther you transfer them or not. When you apply on AADSAS you enter EVERY class you ever took at EVERY college, and that gets you your AADSAS gpa, for example in my case I had a lower grade in a 100 level course that I re-took and the grade was replaced for the calcualted gpa from my school, but for AADSAS and on my application the grade was factored in and showed up on the transcript.

 

[luder98]

im debating on whether or not i should transfer courses from a comm. college where i did quite bad. it was only two classes and im thinking of just retaking them at my school. will dental schools ever find out about those transcripts? they have yet to be transferred.

what kind of question is this? 👎

 

[Veneto]

Don't transfer them and dont tell the school you're applying to that you attended the community college

I would not even think twice about doing this because if you do and the school finds out that you neglected to put down scores from classes your application could get tossed out, plus, simply stated you are lying. The AADSAS specifically states that you must put down every class from every school.

 

[erbs8908]

im not planning on telling AADSAS either. its as if it never happened.

 

[erbs8908]

I would not even think twice about doing this because if you do and the school finds out that you neglected to put down scores from classes your application could get tossed out, plus, simply stated you are lying. The AADSAS specifically states that you must put down every class from every school.

good point veneto

 

[erbs8908]

but how would they find out?

 

[psiyung]

you're not lying about it. It doesn't state that you have to LIST every class you have EVER taken, just those classes you are applying with. I personally know quite a few people who did this and were accepted to medical school, so it is indeed doable

 

[psiyung]

but how would they find out?

They can't find out. That is Privileged information

 

[luder98]

Shame on you and your friends. Start your professional lives by cheating. I f*cking hate these people. I'm sorry if you don't like my voice, but I f*cking hate cheating people.
I hope you hide your secret well. No matter when they find out, your life/career will be over.

 

[erbs8908]

Shame on you and your friends. Start your professional lives by cheating. I f*cking hate these people. I'm sorry if you don't like my voice, but I f*cking hate cheating people.
I hope you hide your secret well. No matter when they find out, your life/career will be over.

easy there tiger. it was just two courses and was taken during a rough time for me.

 

[Veneto]

you're not lying about it. It doesn't state that you have to LIST every class you have EVER taken, just those classes you are applying with. I personally know quite a few people who did this and were accepted to medical school, so it is indeed doable

Actually it does. It's in plain english in the instruction part of the AADSAS form under colleges attended. It even goes as far as to say that foreign institutions need to be included. As to whether they can really find out, they probably can not especially, the foreign institution, but if they did you wouldnt stand a chance for admissions. Unfortunatly there is no such thing as being able to pick and choose which classes you are applying with and which ones you dont want to apply with. Those who did do this maybe got away with it and went to medical school, and good for them, here in the dental school forum I bet alot of people would agree that you should just re-take the classes at your new school and do well in them and let any adcom know that it was in the past and you can do well in the class.

 

[psiyung]

Shame on you and your friends. Start your professional lives by cheating. I f*cking hate these people. I'm sorry if you don't like my voice, but I f*cking hate cheating people.
I hope you hide your secret well. No matter when they find out, your life/career will be over.

lol...easy there

I never did this, my friends did

And secondly, there is no shame in doing whatever you can to come out on top 👍

 

[psiyung]

Actually it does. It's in plain english in the instruction part of the AADSAS form under colleges attended. It even goes as far as to say that foreign institutions need to be included. As to whether they can really find out, they probably can not especially, the foreign institution, but if they did you wouldnt stand a chance for admissions. Unfortunatly there is no such thing as being able to pick and choose which classes you are applying with and which ones you dont want to apply with. Those who did do this maybe got away with it and went to medical school, and good for them, here in the dental school forum I bet alot of people would agree that you should just re-take the classes at your new school and do well in them and let any adcom know that it was in the past and you can do well in the class.

To be honest, I agree with this sentiment. If its just two classes, go ahead and tell them.

 

[Veneto]

easy there tiger. it was just two courses and was taken during a rough time for me.

Hey we all have rough times. We all have to find ways to get through them. I also believe that an adcom sees this and understands this. During an interview, if the topic even comes up, you can explain what happened and why and show the new better grades. It wouldnt be a big deal as long as you prove yourself throught the rest of your academic work. As for luder I totally can see his point and I understand that he would be ticked. He had the integrity to put down all his classes like alot of people did, when he could have cheated and not put down the bad ones.

 

[luder98]

lol...easy there

I never did this, my friends did

And secondly, there is no shame in doing whatever you can to come out on top 👍

That's what lawyers do. Doctors don't do that. Doctors have hearts.

 

[psiyung]

That's what lawyers do. Doctors don't do that. Doctors have hearts.

What kind of Eutopian enigma have you waken up from? Tell that to the ****ed up dentist that over-charges his/her patients and gives them unneccessary treatment(s).

Dude, get over yourself for one second and open your eyes to the real world.

 

[luder98]

What kind of Eutopian enigma have you waken up from? Tell that to the ****ed up dentist that over-charges his/her patients and gives them unneccessary treatment(s).

Dude, get over yourself for one second and open your eyes to the real world.

I feel sorry for you for you look at the bottom of the doctoral society and learn.
Those who look for excuses for their action will never go far. Do something that comes out from your heart.

 

[DREDAY]

I agree 100% with luder. How much satisfaction can one possibly have from getting into dental school by "cheating" their way in. If you get in, you are not getting in because of your merits, but becuase you have painted a fake image of yourself. Meaning the school never really wanted you to go there nor for you to be a dentist. You merely got in because you deceived the school into believing you are something your not. I know that I would not be able to accept a position that I am not qualified to take. I feel sorry for you who would even consider taking such an action in decieving the schools and consequently hurting the chances of truely qualified applicants of getting in. Maybe you should take a philosophical course on moral logic.

 

[DrTacoElf]

You guys all sound great but can you honestly say if you had two D's at a community college and that was all that you had at this particular school you would report this to aadsas? 🙄

 

[sabamedicine]

im debating on whether or not i should transfer courses from a comm. college where i did quite bad. it was only two classes and im thinking of just retaking them at my school. will dental schools ever find out about those transcripts? they have yet to be transferred.

I know for a fact that the dental schools will find through your social security number what schools youve gone to. If you fail to mention them, they will find out sooner or later and your integrity at that point will come under scrutiny. Trust me on this one I know someone this happened to.

Retake the classes or explain your situation. At this point you'll have to bear the burden of your past and be responsible enough to demonstrate maturity to the ADCOM regarding your situation. There's no hiding it. Unfortunately this is the way things work academically. Once you commit to taking a class and accepting the grade they give you, it's like a bad divorce. The ex screws you. Only in this case your ex is your academic institution taking u to court for half your money.

 

[ahmedpredental0]

Make Sure U do report them...U will be Suprised as to What...Dental Schools KNow about their APPls. BE Honest...believe me it goes a long way!

 

[Neon Black]

You're either gonna be that sneaky a$$hole or you gonna be that chump. They won't find out if you won't tell em. AADSAS is about as scatter brained and disorganized as it gets. They got better things to do than background checks on everyone.

 

[QuietGuy]

I agree 100% with luder. How much satisfaction can one possibly have from getting into dental school by "cheating" their way in. If you get in, you are not getting in because of your merits, but becuase you have painted a fake image of yourself. Meaning the school never really wanted you to go there nor for you to be a dentist. You merely got in because you deceived the school into believing you are something your not. I know that I would not be able to accept a position that I am not qualified to take. I feel sorry for you who would even consider taking such an action in decieving the schools and consequently hurting the chances of truely qualified applicants of getting in. Maybe you should take a philosophical course on moral logic.

I agree with Dreday and Luder. Don't cheat your way in. It's just not fair.

 

[QuietGuy]

you're not lying about it. It doesn't state that you have to LIST every class you have EVER taken, just those classes you are applying with. I personally know quite a few people who did this and were accepted to medical school, so it is indeed doable

What kind of advice are you giving these people? You are lying if you don't report classes that you have taken.

 

[DDSdude]

It is funny that this has two pages of posts. It boils down to a simple matter of what is right and ethical and what is wrong. Integrity, a very valuable asset to have, is defined as what you do when no one is looking. It would be wrong to ommit the fact that you went to another school. No one can force you into doing what is right. I hope you choose the higher road.

And the fact that this has come up on this board (and believe me it will get noticed) and this board is looked at by some schools. You may have hurt your chances already by posting this and debating it regardless of you doing the right thing in the end. 🙁

 

[anya14]

And secondly, there is no shame in doing whatever you can to come out on top 👍

👎
scary, I hope you didn't really mean that

 

[anya14]

You guys all sound great but can you honestly say if you had two D's at a community college and that was all that you had at this particular school you would report this to aadsas? 🙄

I don't see myself making two D's, but if I did, I would definitely report it. It would not even be a question

 

[TucsonDDS]

What kind of classes are they, auto mechanics or organic chemistry? I would think that if only something totally unrealated for your own pleasure it wouldn't matter but something like a science or math class you should really put it down. I don't think that they would ever find out. Your transcripts are privilaged information and I believe they would have to have your permission to look them up.

 

[TX Hopeful]

Veneto's right...

Page 8 of the 2004 AADSAS Instruction Book...
"Part 3: Course Work Information AADSAS produces a cumulative profile of all college course work and computes various grade point averages from the information provided. ...Be sure to report all courses at all institutions in which you have enrolled. Omission of credit hours, grades, or any pertinent information regarding course work may cause your application to be withdrawn by AADSAS or your application to be rejected."


Personally, from one peer to another...I don't think it's worth it to try to and tell half-truths when your application may be rejected. Not to mention, we've all performed sub-par in some course in the past. You can interview around it and demonstrate improvement, etc. Don't be intimidated by the astronomical DAT and GPA stats posted on this page...most of them are outliers, and most of us are riding the fence on some aspect of our application.

Just my $0.02

 

[cmb81]

I know for a fact that the dental schools will find through your social security number what schools youve gone to. If you fail to mention them, they will find out sooner or later and your integrity at that point will come under scrutiny. Trust me on this one I know someone this happened to.

Retake the classes or explain your situation. At this point you'll have to bear the burden of your past and be responsible enough to demonstrate maturity to the ADCOM regarding your situation. There's no hiding it. Unfortunately this is the way things work academically. Once you commit to taking a class and accepting the grade they give you, it's like a bad divorce. The ex screws you. Only in this case your ex is your academic institution taking u to court for half your money.

wow...that must've been awkward when they were confronted with this info. I dont see how they can tell so much from your SSN.

 

[ItsGavinC]

im debating on whether or not i should transfer courses from a comm. college where i did quite bad. it was only two classes and im thinking of just retaking them at my school. will dental schools ever find out about those transcripts? they have yet to be transferred.

Why did you do poorly in those courses? If it's because you can't handle the courses then you are just cheating yourself out of the inevitable fact that you MAY get admitted to dental school and then you MAY have difficulty with those courses and then you MAY get kicked out due to academic failure and then you MAY be stuck with thousands of $$ of debt.

 

[ItsGavinC]

Oh, by the way, I think you should transfer the courses and then retake them at your school and do well!

That sends the adcom a STRONG message--it shows them how poorly you did and then how well you did. There's no shame in that.

 

[ItsGavinC]

And secondly, there is no shame in doing whatever you can to come out on top 👍

Unbelievable. Too bad this thought-process permeates every level of our society.

 

[Al-Qahhar]

Am I correct in thinking that it is necessary to include the first grade as well as the new grade in a retaken class?

On my transcript from University of Qatar, it simply has the highest grade of my two classes. (You would not be able to decipher that I have retaken a class, on the transcript) Is this how most American universities and community colleges do this?

I'm still not sure how my current American University transcript will look like even though 90% of my courses equally transfered. How will this work? (Perhaps I should ask my university 😀)

 

[eric275]

Am I correct in thinking that it is necessary to include the first grade as well as the new grade in a retaken class?

On my transcript from University of Qatar, it simply has the highest grade of my two classes. (You would not be able to decipher that I have retaken a class, on the transcript) Is this how most American universities and community colleges do this?

I'm still not sure how my current American University transcript will look like even though 90% of my courses equally transfered. How will this work? (Perhaps I should ask my university 😀)

As far as reporting your grades to AADSAS, you are correct. They say in thier instructions that you must report the grade you recieved in the class each time you have taken it.

The way transcripts show grades in the states is different. For each class taken it will show the year and quarter/semster that the class was taken. So if you have taken the class twice, it will show up in each perspective quarter that it was taken along with the grade that was recieved for that class each time.

Example:

John Doe, University of X
--Fall Term 2003--
CH101 D
BI101 A
WR121 A
--Fall Term 2004--
CH101 A
PHY101 A
WR122 A

So basically they see every class you have taken with each perspective grade. About your transfer courses, you should check with your records department at your current college. They should be able to tell you what will appear for the classes that transferred from your other college. I have no clue how they deal with international transfer credits and reporting those grades.

 

[Dr.Smiley-OR]

I have a C- in one of my organic chemistry courses, and i reported it on the AADSAS. C- is better than D, but not that much better (actually, i don't think the two grades are different too me).
Just be honest, one lousy C- or D (or even 2) wouldn't kill you at all. The adcom will look at everything, from essay to overall GPA, science GPA, trends of your GPA, DAT....and your integrity as well. People who have overall GPA below 3.0 still get accepted into dental school, so your 2 D's shouldn't be too bad. Just be honest! Have a good explanation for it.
And for those who think they should do whatever it takes to make on the top, shame on you! You shouldn't even enter the healthcare profession! What kind of attitude is that when you are supposed to help others and serve others.
That is my 2 cents!

 

[trypmo]

I believe I remember having read on the TMDSAS (TX schools only application service) application that any failure to report coursework, if discovered AFTER you had been accepted to a school, could result in the ACCEPTANCE being withdrawn. I think schools in general are deadly serious about this stuff, and if I were on an adcom I would be too.
The existence of the core debate of this thread causes my jaw to drop, much like this -->

 

[justletmein]

I can understand where erbs8908 is coming from. Having a difficult major and getting a lower GPA makes it unfair when people get a 4.0 gpa studying some crap like 'grass appreciation' in college, and then taking some prereqs at an easy community college and getting a 4.0 in that as well. Know what I'm sayin? Although I would never be dishonest, I'm just saying that with the pressure and competiton, I can understand why people will do anything for an edge over others. Goodluck to all for the 2005 application cycle, it's gonna be a close call for some of us.

 

[Literati81]

lol...easy there

I never did this, my friends did

And secondly, there is no shame in doing whatever you can to come out on top 👍

A good friend in medical school once told me that the beauty of going into the medicine (and dentistry) is having access to knowing the best and the worst doctors. So, if you or a loved one ever has the misfortune of having some medical complication, you know who to go to and who to avoid.

So for those of you that agree with good psiyung, please be a pal and provide me your real name so I know to keep my patients, family, friends and myself far far away from your practice.

Thanks.

 

[xxdakinexx]

Lying is not worth the risk. Don't cheat yourself and others. If you can live with yourself go for it, go for it though.

 

[BONAFIED]

So for those of you that agree with good psiyung, please be a pal and provide me your real name so I know to keep my patients, family, friends and myself far far away from your practice.
Thanks.

So are we still talking about 2 classes at a CC that he wants to sweep under the rug or did I miss that he also cannibalizes small children?

Considering the audience, I must say that his question was incredibly stupid. However, I will assume that everyone who is condemning him is beyond reproach on the subject of academic honesty.

I am a post-bac student approaching 160 semester credit hours. The one universal observation I have from my embarassingly extensive undergrad experience is that cheating is rampant. From honor code Jesus-freak universities to party schools, cheating in all its forms is carried out with a nonchalance and pervasiveness, that when taken as a whole, is pretty disgusting.

Maybe you think you're honest Abe because you never used a crip sheet on a test, or you didn't omit an institution on your apps, but have you ever colluded with students from another section to get gouge on a test, quiz, or a lab? Have you ever looked at someone else's test? Have you used assignments from students who previously completed the course? Have you ever faked a source for a paper? Do you know what plagiarism is and have you done it? Have you exaggerated extra-curricular involvement, leadership, or work experience on your resume? Do you fill that TI-86 with stuff you shouldn't?

Before we point the plastic finger we should check ourselves first. I think everyone (myself included) could find a way to be a little more upright, honest, and fair in our school work. Okay this is really folksy, but integrity matters. I think we should all try harder in this department.

 

[aphistis]

The title to this thread says it all. If "will they find out?" is the primary principle (I employ the term loosely) governing your decisions as you treat patients...well, like everybody else has said--if, God forbid, you get into and through school without reforming that attitude, let me know where you hang up your shingle so I can point everyone I know away from it.

 

[RaiderNation]

Shame on you and your friends. Start your professional lives by cheating. I f*cking hate these people. I'm sorry if you don't like my voice, but I f*cking hate cheating people.
I hope you hide your secret well. No matter when they find out, your life/career will be over.

Agreed. This is more of an issue of who you are as a person. If you're a liar and a cheater, what kind of life will that lead to? Imagine your whole career knowing that you are where you are because you're a liar. What do you tell your kids and grandkids? Do you lie to them too about how you got to where you are. Have some freaking confidence in your ability to get into d-school. Follow the rules like everyone else.

 

[trypmo]

[....]
Maybe you think you're honest Abe because you never used a crip sheet on a test,

Right

or you didn't omit an institution on your apps,

correcto (even reported a bad grade that doesn't show up on the transcript)

but have you ever colluded with students from another section to get gouge on a test, quiz, or a lab?

uh, well, no

Have you ever looked at someone else's test?

negatory

Have you used assignments from students who previously completed the course?

not when it wasn't allowed

Have you ever faked a source for a paper?

um, big huge NO

Do you know what plagiarism is and have you done it?

well, yes, I do, and... NO!!!!

Have you exaggerated extra-curricular involvement, leadership, or work experience on your resume?

now that I think about it, [size=+1]NO.[/size]

Do you fill that TI-86 with stuff you shouldn't?

never-never land, baby

Before we point the plastic finger we should check ourselves first. I think everyone (myself included) could find a way to be a little more upright, honest, and fair in our school work. Okay this is really folksy, but integrity matters. I think we should all try harder in this department.

Speak for yourself, dude.
👎


And I think there are plenty of people who could answer similarly. I think that honesty is as "rampant" as cheating, although not universal. Just depends on who you ask. 😉

 

[BONAFIED]

Trypmo, you are an example to us all. Thank you for not getting defensive and overly assertive about your scrupulous integrity, it makes it all the more convincing.

There is an important infallible truth of life here; people who go around proclaiming "I'm a details person", "I'm a leader", "I'm so honest", "I'm [insert desirable quality]" -are usually the antithesis of what they claim. One of the least endearing qualities of cheaters is that they never think they're the cheating.

 

[TucsonDDS]

Right


correcto (even reported a bad grade that doesn't show up on the transcript)


uh, well, no


negatory


not when it wasn't allowed


um, big huge NO


well, yes, I do, and... NO!!!!


now that I think about it, [size=+1]NO.[/size]


never-never land, baby


Speak for yourself, dude.
👎


And I think there are plenty of people who could answer similarly. I think that honesty is as "rampant" as cheating, although not universal. Just depends on who you ask. 😉

At least we know that you will never get to be president. Have you ever inhaled??

 

[Literati81]

So are we still talking about 2 classes at a CC that he wants to sweep under the rug or did I miss that he also cannibalizes small children?

Yes, yes, everyone lies and cheats. You got me there. But, as a consequence of lying or cheating, a large majority often feel guilt, remorse or regret. If a person goes so far as to proudly declare cheating a lifestyle (especially on a public forum), I'm prone to question not only his/her integrity, but also his/her logic and sensibility.

And, to answer your questions (ala trypmo)..
No. No. For guidance but never without thinking on my own. Why the heck would I fake a source for a paper? I usually have too many. I've never intentionally plagiarized. I have enough already. We weren't allowed to use programmable calculators at my undergrad.

But hey, while we're at it, I did steal a piece of candy from a supermarket when I was 3 years old. My mom found out and she cried the entire night. I never stole candy since then.

 

[BONAFIED]

I'm prone to question not only his/her integrity, but also his/her logic and sensibility.

I agree completely. In fact the latter was more disconcerting to me.

BTW I caught the part about "knowing enough to reword your sentences", that is a problem, but so is the fact that you edited it when you realized what you were saying. 😉