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It’s rather ironic, that the R precept of individual responsibility and that non-governmental intersectionality is so underscored, as one, Rs lead the bottom ten states that are on the federal dole, two, by and large, the largest foundations in the country are from those that associate with the D party and it’s attendant politics.
Oh, the President of the United States of America talks like the wizard of oz? Yea, I guess that must be totally normal.
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Enough to get even the biggest MAGA koolaid drinker in the Senate pissed off.
'A stain on America's honor': Lindsey Graham says Trump's Syria pullout abandons Kurds, helps ISIS
"The Kurds fought with us, but were paid massive amounts of money and equipment to do so," Trump said as Turkey prepares an assault in the region.
www.usatoday.com
Probably not the smartest thing to do to your loyalists during a possible impeachment process
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1. Why should we make exceptions for abortions after incest or rape? If the argument is that the fetus is some kind of person deserving rights over the woman carrying it, then why should it matter how that child was conceived? If we are going to have common sense anti-abortion laws, shouldn’t we have common sense gun control laws?
2. We agree here.
3. Bernie Sanders, as an example, has called for immigration reform...not open borders as many claim. He has been outspoken on the economic exploitation that have allowed many corporations and small businesses to take advantage of migrant workers and the resulting depressed wages for American workers. He has supported a pathway to citizenship and some kind of legal status for immigrants working here...mainly on the grounds that the rich and powerful are the ones benefitting from the illegal immigration in the form of cheap labor.
Literally none of those things are true. You are arguing in bad faith. I wouldn't be surprised if you were a russian/Chinese bot as it fits their modus operandi to a T.
That's basically the 2019 Democrat platform.
Why not both?
The claim brought up by Blade was that moral decay is a problem. This claim was disputed. I argued that there is indeed an element of moral decay.
You're now asking if moral decay is the cause of poverty and discrimination, or if poverty and discrimination are the cause of moral decay. It looks like we all agree that moral decay is a problem. 🙂
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deleted87051
What? Several of those things are absolutely true. Warren wants a wealth tax, Sanders and Warren want to increase taxes, Beto wants to confiscate guns.
Don't get me wrong, the poster you responded to has absolutely jumped on the MAGA train. But that doesn't mean you shouldn't be careful in your responses.
Trump Towers Istanbul opened in 2012 and Trump makes up to $1m per year from their ongoing operation. I'm sure that has nothing to do with his decision to placate Erdogan at every turn. Unfortunately, we don't have a General Mattis around to quit in protest this time.
I thought Turkey was a USA ally and a member of NATO.
Are you suggesting we should be alienating our ally?
Closer to frenemy than ally. An ally and NATO member shouldn't buy antiaircraft from Russia against our express wishes and force us to boot them from the F-35 program. They also shouldn't genocide our allies who just helped us defeat ISIS.
If you weren't a delusional Trump stooge, you'd probably realize that the pushback isn't just coming from dems- look at what McConnell, Haley, Graham, Sasse, Rubio, Romney are saying
Wow, sounds like a complicated situation, where enemies are friends and friends are enemies.
What are we doing there anyway?
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We have too many soldiers in too many places outside the USA. We can no longer afford to be the world’s defense forces at our expense.
I am not knowledgeable enough to comment on the current situation in Syria and Turkey but neither are most of you.
If Kurdish soldiers and/or civilians die as a result of the USA withdrawal from the area that is regrettable.
The entire Middle East is worse off since Bush entered the fray after 2001. I understand US presence is needed in some areas to maintain the peace and govt stability. Trump has mostly listened to his advisers on those countries.
I am not knowledgeable enough to comment on the current situation in Syria and Turkey but neither are most of you.
If Kurdish soldiers and/or civilians die as a result of the USA withdrawal from the area that is regrettable.
The entire Middle East is worse off since Bush entered the fray after 2001. I understand US presence is needed in some areas to maintain the peace and govt stability. Trump has mostly listened to his advisers on those countries.
The swamp doesn't apply to Trump. Remember he could shoot someone on 5th Ave and not lose a single supporter...
Trump's been doing that to the EU since he got elected
What if they become Assad/Putin allies?
Trumps net worth has suffered significantly since becoming president.
Meanwhile others such as Obama, Clintons, Bidens have leveraged their position to enrich themselves.
One made his fortune before becoming president.
Others made their money through their political careers. SAD
And by the way, trump is a lock for 2020. Who is going to challenge him? Biden? White Pocahontas? Hillary gonna try to resurrect herself?
Impeachment will only strengthen his base. And it will never make it through the Senate.
Maga 2020 deal with it.
So we should let him continue to invite China, ukraine, Russia etc to interfere with our elections? Nope.
Btw....
Trump's enemies add up in the wrong state
"Nobody likes to hear their home country called a ****hole," said one Republican activist.
A lock? Hmmmn, he won three critical states by less then 78,000 votes—MI, PA, and WI. Do you really think he could pull off that status all outlier again? In fact, recent polling shows him largely behind the D front runners on one on one scenarios. Any of these three go D, he loses.
By way of specific example, Trump’s support in the Rust Belt states that propelled him to the presidency has softened, jeopardizing his prospects for a second term. While they say it’s too early to write off Michigan — Trump aides say the campaign still intends to pump resources into the state — a range of public polling has shown Trump in poor shape here.
“It’ll be tough,” said Greg McNeilly, a veteran GOP strategist in Michigan. Though the president overcame tough odds in 2016, winning the state by 10,704 votes, or less than 1 point, McNeilly expects Democratic turnout to be stronger in 2020. “Trump is the underdog,” he said.
This does not even take into account that while Texas is not blue, it certainly is trending purple and Arizona is on the verge of actually turning blue. So, tell me with granular detail how he will pull this off?
And to clarify, and a bit of researching, as to your point on income inequality- the biggest and largest differences of the top 13 cities had an overwhelming amount of them (8 out of 13) in either a R state or city—see:The 13 most unequal places in America, ranked
I will be voting for Trump but I agree with your post. He will most likely lose the 2020 election. He barely pulled off an electoral college win in 2016 which is unlikely to be repeated in 2020. I am shocked that a socialist will win the presidency ( I’m used to moderates) but this is something I better get used to.
My hunch is that many of you liberals are not going to be happy with the tax policy of Warren as she seeks to hike your taxes by 25 percent on all income over $250,000.
I’m not sure what my partially quoted post (which I believe is from another thread) has to do with Trump, or how it’s relevant in anyway to your statement. Perhaps you quoted me by mistake?
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There is a difference between being unhappy at paying too much taxes and being horrified every time I hear the words "President Trump"
LOL "made his fortune." He inherited his money from his daddy and he would be worth $13b instead of $3-4 if he would've taken daddy's money and just put it in an index fund.
And this is how he managed to become one of the Americans who wrote off one of the top 3 biggest decade-long losses with the IRS in the 1990s:
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Since apparently you've been asleep for the last 15 years, it might take awhile to catch you up on what ISIL/ISIS is, how the Kurds helped us essentially crush them, and just generally the evolution of terrorism since the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq.
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Gotta love the neocons and neolibs coming out of the woodwork to tell us how crucial our involvement in the ME is.
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I mean honestly it's classic America but it pisses me off. The Kurds have been the most solid allies of America in the region, we should support them as strongly as we do Israel.
Personally I'd take my 39.6% marginal rate back in a heartbeat under Obama and get rid of the deficits, white nationalism, swamp monsters in the cabinet and the crazy foreign policy/kowtowing to authoritarians.
Warren may have to compromise with a moderate Congress. She'll get rid of the rest of the swamp that's been festering and putrid under Trump, and hopefully stop the oval office from being an extension of Fox news and right wing conspiracy theories
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Gotta love the MAGA lovers who would prefer Russia and Putin to re-create the ussr, one piece at a time #crimea #AmericaLast
Country be damned as long as I can save a few hundred dollars...
this should poll well in 2020 for Trump and the Republicans.... There is a reason why did they didn't campaign on the tax cut in the midterms
Billionaires paid lower tax rate than working class for first time in US history: study
Billionaires paid less in taxes than the working class last year for the first time in U.S. history, a study found.Economists Emmanuel Saez and Gabriel Zucman found in their book-length study ̶…
thehill.com
Billionaires paid less in taxes than the working class last year for the first time in U.S. history, a study found.
Economists Emmanuel Saez and Gabriel Zucman found in their book-length study "The Triumph of Injustice" that the average tax rate paid by the richest 400 families in the country was lower than the rate paid by the bottom half of American households in 2018, The Washington Post reported.
The wealthiest 400 families had a 23 percent tax rate, compared to the bottom half of households, which had a 24.2 percent tax rate.
The richest 400 families had a 47 percent tax rate in 1980 and a 56 percent tax rate in 1960, while the working class's tax rate has remained relatively stable, according to the Post
Me too. Under Trump, it meant we pocketed upwards of 50+K more, and I would gladly go back to taking less to get rid of this amoral pillock git.
“Central to the House Democrats push for the Mueller materials is the historical precedent that DOJ in all previous impeachment investigations — involving presidents and judges — did not fight Congress over access to grand jury materials.
"Frankly, we’re baffled why suddenly this practice over many decades is now reversed," Letter said.
Howell picked up on that point by pressing DOJ to say whether then-U.S. District Court Chief Judge John Sirica was wrong in 1974 to let Congress access a detailed “road map” of the Watergate grand jury materials as it considered President Richard Nixon’s impeachment.
Shapiro argued that if the same Watergate road map arose today, there'd be a "different result" because the law has changed since 1974. She said the judge wouldn't be able to do the same thing absent changes to the grand jury rules and statutes.
Howell sounded skeptical. "Wow. OK," she replied
www.politico.com
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In case anyone had any doubt about the kind of swampy crooks that have filled the Trump administration. It’s about obstruction, obfuscation, and protection of the mafia don at all costs. Do yourself a favor and listen to hypocrite Lindsey Graham on CSPAN 20 yrs ago talking about how the Clinton administration was required to comply with House subpoenas or else face an article of impeachment related to obstruction.
... My guess is the dirty laundry that eventually airs whenever his presidency is over is going to be insane.
"Frankly, we’re baffled why suddenly this practice over many decades is now reversed," Letter said.
Howell picked up on that point by pressing DOJ to say whether then-U.S. District Court Chief Judge John Sirica was wrong in 1974 to let Congress access a detailed “road map” of the Watergate grand jury materials as it considered President Richard Nixon’s impeachment.
Shapiro argued that if the same Watergate road map arose today, there'd be a "different result" because the law has changed since 1974. She said the judge wouldn't be able to do the same thing absent changes to the grand jury rules and statutes.
Howell sounded skeptical. "Wow. OK," she replied
Judge signals Dems may get to see Mueller’s secrets
A favorable ruling for House Democrats seeking access to grand jury info could help widen their impeachment probe beyond Ukraine.
In case anyone had any doubt about the kind of swampy crooks that have filled the Trump administration. It’s about obstruction, obfuscation, and protection of the mafia don at all costs. Do yourself a favor and listen to hypocrite Lindsey Graham on CSPAN 20 yrs ago talking about how the Clinton administration was required to comply with House subpoenas or else face an article of impeachment related to obstruction.
... My guess is the dirty laundry that eventually airs whenever his presidency is over is going to be insane.
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Reminder: Trump has a massive conflict of interest in Turkey
Why a Trump real estate deal is relevant to his decision to abandon the Kurds.
www.motherjones.com
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And another daily reminder for you all that Trump has dozens of conflicts like this, he has not released his tax returns, nor has he divested himself from his financial interest in the Trump Organization; all the while he continues to "serve" as POTUS
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This man will piss down your back and tell you it’s raining.
God help us if he wins another term...
God help us if he wins another term...
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To all the geniuses who think this administration is making them richer and protecting them from the costs of socialism: your wealth will take a nosedive pretty soon.
www.newsweek.com
One can’t have a rising deficit and a strong dollar forever. Sooner or later, the tide will go out and we’ll see how naked we all are. This president would rather make the dollar worth less than the paper it’s printed on than recognize his own demagoguery and business incompetence. He doesn’t care because a lot of his money is invested abroad, so he may even benefit from a weak dollar, who knows.
The only people getting richer are the ones running the country and their cronies. Just as in a third-world banana country. Food for thought.
Trump Said He'd Eliminate the Deficit in 8 Years. So Far, It's Up 68%
During the 2016 election campaign, President Donald Trump said he'd wipe the federal debt. But it is rising and the deficit is widening.
www.newsweek.com
One can’t have a rising deficit and a strong dollar forever. Sooner or later, the tide will go out and we’ll see how naked we all are. This president would rather make the dollar worth less than the paper it’s printed on than recognize his own demagoguery and business incompetence. He doesn’t care because a lot of his money is invested abroad, so he may even benefit from a weak dollar, who knows.
The only people getting richer are the ones running the country and their cronies. Just as in a third-world banana country. Food for thought.
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Ah yes, the old way of thinking: sell out American manufacturing to China so that we can buy a ton of cheap s***. Nevermind the fact that when we have a ton of unemployed folks who are now addicted to opioids (from China and Mexico) and are on welfare.
We could, you know, reconfigure trade relationships so that Americans have real jobs and real purpose. If you weren't filled with so much hatred, maybe you'd see the needs of other Americans in "flyover country".
To all the geniuses who think this administration is making them richer and protecting them from the costs of socialism: your wealth will take a nosedive pretty soon.
Trump Said He'd Eliminate the Deficit in 8 Years. So Far, It's Up 68%
During the 2016 election campaign, President Donald Trump said he'd wipe the federal debt. But it is rising and the deficit is widening.
One can’t have a rising deficit and a strong dollar forever. Sooner or later, the tide will go out and we’ll see how naked we all are. This president would rather make the dollar worth less than the paper it’s printed on than recognize his own demagoguery and business incompetence. He doesn’t care because a lot of his money is invested abroad, so he may even benefit from a weak dollar, who knows.
The only people getting richer are the ones running the country and their cronies. Just as in a third-world banana country. Food for thought.
Ah yes, the old way of thinking: sell out American manufacturing to China so that we can buy a ton of cheap s***. Nevermind the fact that when we have a ton of unemployed folks who are now addicted to opioids (from China and Mexico) and are on welfare.
We could, you know, reconfigure trade relationships so that Americans have real jobs and real purpose. If you weren't filled with so much hatred, maybe you'd see the needs of other Americans in "flyover country".
“Central to the House Democrats push for the Mueller materials is the historical precedent that DOJ in all previous impeachment investigations — involving presidents and judges — did not fight Congress over access to grand jury materials.
"Frankly, we’re baffled why suddenly this practice over many decades is now reversed," Letter said.
Howell picked up on that point by pressing DOJ to say whether then-U.S. District Court Chief Judge John Sirica was wrong in 1974 to let Congress access a detailed “road map” of the Watergate grand jury materials as it considered President Richard Nixon’s impeachment.
Shapiro argued that if the same Watergate road map arose today, there'd be a "different result" because the law has changed since 1974. She said the judge wouldn't be able to do the same thing absent changes to the grand jury rules and statutes.
Howell sounded skeptical. "Wow. OK," she replied
— —— ———Judge signals Dems may get to see Mueller’s secrets
A favorable ruling for House Democrats seeking access to grand jury info could help widen their impeachment probe beyond Ukraine.
In case anyone had any doubt about the kind of swampy crooks that have filled the Trump administration. It’s about obstruction, obfuscation, and protection of the mafia don at all costs. Do yourself a favor and listen to hypocrite Lindsey Graham on CSPAN 20 yrs ago talking about how the Clinton administration was required to comply with House subpoenas or else face an article of impeachment related to obstruction.
... My guess is the dirty laundry that eventually airs whenever his presidency is over is going to be insane.
"Today the Republican majority is not judging the president with fairness but impeaching him with a vengeance. In the investigation of the president, fundamental principles which Americans hold dear—privacy, fairness, checks and balances—have been seriously violated.
And why? . . . We are here today because the Republicans in the House are paralyzed with hatred of President Clinton. And until the Republicans free themselves of this hatred, our country will suffer.
I rise to oppose these unfair motions, which call for removal of the president of the United States from office."
- Nancy Pelosi
So that means the USA will have troops stationed with the Kurds in perpetuity because it can't morally end?
Your right wing talking points keep changing. In reality, Obama wasn't talking about Crimea at all. But I'm sure Obama can be whatever Boogeyman you want him to be.
He'll always be the better liked and more successful president than the current failure we have in the oval office
Did Obama Suggest 'More Flexibility' Toward Russia After the 2012 Election?
In 2012, Barack Obama was overheard telling Russian President Dmitri Medvedev he would have "more flexibility" to negotiate with Putin after the election.
www.snopes.com
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What was he talking about?Your right wing talking points keep changing. In reality, Obama wasn't talking about Crimea at all. But I'm sure Obama can be whatever Boogeyman you want him to be.
He'll always be the better liked and more successful president than the current failure we have in the oval office
Did Obama Suggest 'More Flexibility' Toward Russia After the 2012 Election?
In 2012, Barack Obama was overheard telling Russian President Dmitri Medvedev he would have "more flexibility" to negotiate with Putin after the election.
You probably know as well I do. Which is to say I would probably stop making crap up. But that's what you right wingers specialize in these days.... Parroting fake news, conspiracy theories etc. After all, your idol in the white House does the same.
How come Trump hasn't talked about Obama's Birth certificate lately??
Nancy was correct. Republicans wanted to impeach Clinton over lying about a BJ. Dems want to impeach Trump for subverting and selling our democracy for monetary and political gain.
"Article Three of impeachment against Richard Nixon, the Article was based on the idea that Richard Nixon as president failed to comply with subpoenas of Congress," Graham says in the clip.
"Congress was going through its oversight function to provide oversight of the president. When asked for information Richard Nixon chose not to comply and the Congress back in that time said you're taking impeachment away from us.
"You're becoming the judge and jury. It is not your job to tell us what we need, it is your job to comply with the things we need to provide oversight over you.
"The day Richard Nixon failed to answer that subpoena is that day that he was subject to impeachment because he took the power from Congress over the impeachment process away from Congress and he became the judge and jury"
-Lindsey Graham
Fair is only fair, right Mikkel? Trump must comply with congressional subpoenas
... or I take it you side with hypocrite Lindsey?
Maybe the Kurds deserve their own country.
One of the ironies of that situation is that they might have one, if not for one of our other allies in the region. Good will toward Turkey and loyalty to them as an ally has been a large part of why the US has not supported an independent Kurdish state. Post Ottoman secular Turkey has hated the Kurds and been semi-regularly killing them since the end of World War I, and the Kurd have hated them back. A reasonable argument could be made that both sides had legitimate grievances.
Another thing to keep in mind is that the Kurds are not wholly unlike the Mujahideen. We have supported both while we have had common enemies. They're not at the crazy Wahhabi end of the Islam scale but they're not exactly warm & fuzzy enlightened liberal western Muslims either.
Careful what you wish for. A big reason they've been so froggy with Turkey has been Turkey's secularism.
This isn't my endorsement or condemnation of any particular US policy or non-policy, or action we have or haven't taken. I'm just saying ... we've given these guys an awful lot over the last 30 years, when objectively we really never owed them anything at all. That their objectives sometimes meshed with ours and we worked together doesn't mean our destiny must be forever coupled to theirs. Maybe there's a graceful way to extricate ourselves from that conflict, maybe there's not.
Obama asked for a foreign leader's help (Putin) to let off the United States in an election year to help Obama's reelection chances. In exchange, Obama did not interfere in Russia's invasion of Crimea, which shocked the world. Post-Soviet Russia invades and annexes territory from another country, and Obama doesn't care.
Hillary Clinton and the DNC paid FusionGPS, which subcontracted Michael Steele, a former foreign agent, to use his Russian intelligence sources to manufacture dirt on Trump for election gain.
The Obama administration weaponized the IRS to target tea-party conservatives to affect their impact in election years.
The Obama DOJ used foreign nationals, like Mifsud, to entrap Americans, and use that against Trump in an election.
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