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Holy FranZ said:
Conversion mechanics don't work that way... There is usally a day off for conversion (or else wouldn't the logical thing be just to convert people everynight). Thats why I think there was only 1 conversion: sns.

The other failed for whatever reason - possibly even just being MIA
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I thought there were 3 nights of no kills?
 
Ok wonderful people, I'm off to bed.

I really don't think there's an original wolf left. Makes sense to start with 3 and 3. All the latest kills have been by others, so I think the Lannisters are toast. But really, I'm just guessing.

And so is everyone else so I guess I can't fault you for wanting to lynch me with nothing else to go on. I am angry that the seers never investigated me. 😡
 
Holy FranZ said:
oh cool, another person i cleared what? like 3 times when people tried killing you.

After tonight -- f it. Even if I know you are not a wolf I'm not saying a thing.
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Sorry, I don't have any information circles I can only really go by what I'm seeing in the thread. I don't think you can deny all the confusion being spread is characteristic of being a wolf. And granted I don't really know your style of playing, but unfortunately for you and ksmi, you guys both seem on the ball enough to make for really sneaky tricky wolves :laugh:
 
bbeventer said:
Where is LIS?
Any input?
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I am right here, and I feel like I'm watching a ping-pong match.

I'm reading. I'll throw a lynch vote before I leave for the night, but I'm.... kinda not happy with the conclusion I keep coming back to. Like, really unhappy.

We know SnS was converted. We can presume that SnS filled in the wolves on not just Devyn's role, but Sheep as well (no biggie there). Mine is already public, so no biggie there either.

Did SnS know anyone else's role or role abilities? Speak up if SnS knew your role.
 
alaskandream said:
I thought there were 3 nights of no kills?
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I think that's correct. Here are the nighttime deaths, barring cut 'n paste errors. The parenthetical comments are purely my interpretation, based on the assumption there are/were two groups of wolves.

Night #1 (1 Other kill, 1 Lannister kill of an other)
Fromthebox, Sansa Stark has been found dead in her chamber. Her body feels cold, oh so cold, and her neck is badly bruised.

jjohnston, an other, has also been found dead. Or at least, dead again. The people quickly burn the body. This is the enemy of old, come again.

Night #2 (1 Other kill, 0 Lannister kill)
TigerWillow, Davos Seaworth, has been found dead. Her body is cold and pale when it is pulled from the sea, and her bloated neck is black with bruises.

Night #3 (0 Other kill, 0 Lannister kill)
Nothing

Night #4 (1 Other kill, 0 Lannister kill)
Orca2011, Maester Aemon, has been found dead and blue in his tent trying to care for his ravens. Around his neck, the same bruises as before. It seems the deadly foe has struck again, despite the heat of battle.

Night #5 (0 Other kill, 1 Lannister kill)
Krist, Daenarys Targaryen, has been found beheaded.

Night #6 (0 Other kill, 1 Lannister kill, 1 Villager kill (????))
Nohika, Petyr Baelish is found dead, playing with her coins. She has been stabbed multiple times.

Katie8, Tyrion Lannister, has also been found reading about dragons. Even her quick wit can't save her this time.

Night #7 (1 Other kill, 0 Lannister kill)
.Emiloo, Stannis Baratheon, who was offering his aid to the wall that has been found with bruises on his neck.

Night #8 (0 Other kill, 0 Lannister kill)
No death

Night #9 ..(0 Other kill, 0 Lannister kill)..
No death

Night #10 (1 Other kill, 0 Lannister kill)
.Devyn, Samwell Tarly, has been killed by strangulation with bruises on his neck.
 
Well I only have 3 people currently on my list, you, ksmi, and sheep. I dont want to lynch you or ksmi. We have to be missing something.



BTW yes this is in my mind to the point I woke up to check the progress of things.
Holy FranZ said:
the person who I stood up for against DocE's madness... Thanks.

I know KSMI will vote for me, so I shall revote for her.

2 villagers will real roles are up for lynch. This is what happens when a wolf taints the well.

lynch ksmi - the worst part is knowing you are not a wolf.
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I think I can go along with this. Sheeps on long enough to point the finger at franz. Then disappeared.

LetItSnow said:
Was this a serious comment, FranZ? Because if so, why ar was e we lynching Kismet? Just to keep you alive? Because I don't really think Kismet is a wolf.

(Of course, Kismet did totally make a fool of me last game.)
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SO unhappy right now. 😡
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Btw, devyn has turned up as the craven character in two games in a row!!!

1st c3po, then dear ol fatty Sammy

:laugh: justice for torturing me in history WW!

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Holy FranZ said:
you are so obviously the wolf it kills me
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I was hoping you (HF) would respond to my question about this, because I have to get to bed and won't be back for the lynch most likely, but ....

I think FranZ is a villager. And he thinks Sheeps isn't. And Sheeps voted to lynch Franz.

lynch Sheeps
 
So lets play "The world according to DocE." This will prob come too late to change anyone's opinions, but I need to logically think this stuff out.

Likely candidates
Ksmi: Been told she was never seered by multiple people who are dead. So I can't double check. There was an implication made earlier that she might have indeed been seered and the unseered list is about 6 people. Sheepdogspu, I believe you can clarify that. Has a role that I fully believe it hers. Has shown no wolfish tendencies, but also has shown no utility either. Is the safest ethical bet to remove simply from the point of view that no one's trust circle is shattered if we kill her and she's a villager.

Franz: Has gone way off the deep end. Is a raving lunatic lately. I at least played the crazy person to try to bait a wolf into siding with my "paranoia" in the hopes they'd push too hard and give away their prediliction for killing villagers. I think Franz really has had a bit of a mental schism over all of this. But I also think he's good. Have thought it for a long time, but now hes trying to hard. If we kill him and there *is no* conversion tonight than we've lost nothing but a villager. His utility is in making sure the wolves (if the last one is seerable) are contained in winterfell. But if we kill him and have a conversion night I AM GOING TO SCREAM. He almost earned himself a lynch vote a few rounds ago because he was turning very hard on Devyn a few rounds ago when I was fishing for who would jump on my paranoia. I decided to wait it out though. Curious if that was a good decision now.

Can someone go through Franz's damn list and make it clear if there is a detected wolf unaccounted for early on in this game???!!!. Should lynch you for ****ty list making.

SDP: received an accurate message last round from an unknown source. Literally made the 2nd hardest lynch vote I could imagine happen thanks to that info. and it was correct. While the unknown source of the message is fishy, I really cant figure out any other reason to vote SDP unless there is "Franz proof" that SDP was in a group with at least one wolf unaccounted for. I know there was a moment very early on when SDP and Ksmi were in a group with 1 wolf. But was the wolf unaccounted for?

LIS: This is vital I asked devyn if she seered LIS two rounds ago. She said "hes not your man". Someone with knowledge confirm if devyn seered him or not in the last two rounds. Literally this could undo us if Devyn didn't go through with that seer and we let all the suspicion on LIS drop. I'm okay if he has definitely been looked into. But good lord so many things would make sense if he wasnt looked into

In the end.... idk who to vote for. Let me see how the lynch vote is going. Maybe somehow that would sway me
 
This is going to be perverse....

I cannot buy SDP is the wolf. Especially given that it would be *even more effective* to have SnS kill SDP. Doing it the way it happened just strikes me as backwards. I can't explain the message, but I also know previous games (in lounge at least) have allowed for crazy **** like dead talking BUT anyone who directly referenced it died so everyone denied it until someone fessed up and the mod had them smited (smote?)

And Franz has convinced me to give Ksmi a chance. For real. Reading over his past comments he seems quite convinced Ksmi is good. I'm indifferent, but indifferent enough to be swayed.

I REALLY WANT SDP TO COMMENT ON LIS!!!!

That leaves one person left. Our mad king of sorts. Lynch HF. I honestly love you to death and I think youre a villager, I really do. But you backed yourself into a corner here where you have far too much bad blood, questionable knowledge, and refusal to comment on certain issues raised. I'm inclined to take it all as just anger and paranoia... but it is also enough for me to begrudgingly vote this way.

KI'll be reading until the last minute with hopes someone can sway me elsewhere.
 
Man that was a lot to get through - took me 30 min to catch up!!

@BB - yeah, but I am still suspicious. Will explain later in this epic long post.

alaskandream said:
I thought there were 3 nights of no kills?
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YES. Night 3, 8 and 9

LetItSnow said:
Did SnS know anyone else's role or role abilities? Speak up if SnS knew your role.
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She knew mine. I told her from day 1, back when she was good. 😡

So may as well tell everybody so that the villagers have the same information as the wolves do.

I am Ygritte and my role is to hinder the night activity of one person each night. When I inquired what would happen if I hindered a wolf, I was told to basically wait and see.

Here is my list of who I have hindered (NB: when SD was hindered the info on his investigation did not directly say his power was blocked. Also, hindered him before I trusted him).

Night 1 – AKD (2 die)
Night 2 – SD (1 die)
Night 3 – Nstarz (no one died)
Night 4 – Nstarz (1 die, I am silent)
Night 5 – Minnerbelle (1 die, beheaded, silent)
Night 6 – Nstarz, (2 die, one me??)
Night 7 – Abber (1 die) – OTHERS ARE BACK???
Night 8 – Lissa (no death, Doc move)
Night 9 – Lissa (no death)
Night 10 -Lissa (death, she moved)


Obviously I have hindered a lot of wolves, minni and Nstarz, but I was wondering if one wolf has to pick the kill.

I really don't know what this info means (I have my theories), and have no way of interpreting it, but I am 99% that there is a wolf with cloaking abilities out there, so I am not really confident, especially in FranZ's info. I know that puts me and everyone in the other areas back up for suspicion, but I am just saying this.

The results are going to come out and we are all going to be:bang::bang::bang:because a supposedly "clear" player has been playing us all along.

shortnsweet said:
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SO unhappy right now. 😡
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You should be - bad wolfie!!!!!!!!


I realize this info is at a bad time and does nothing to solidify our lynch votes, but if night comes right away, figured everyone should have this info because I think is might be useful to find our next wolf.
 
DocEspana said:
I cannot buy SDP is the wolf. Especially given that it would be *even more effective* to have SnS kill SDP. Doing it the way it happened just strikes me as backwards. I can't explain the message, but I also know previous games (in lounge at least) have allowed for crazy **** like dead talking BUT anyone who directly referenced it died so everyone denied it until someone fessed up and the mod had them smited (smote?)
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I agree with this. I also think it ties into what Dyachei wrote about the dead coming back.

I am voting for Kismet, only because I agree with what she said earlier: if we are really debating about lynching two villagers here, then I will go for the one with the less useful power at this point.

lynch KSMI....


it is only 7:15, so patent pre-vet waffle is almost a guarantee.
 
One thought. Sdp had a power that could be used 3 times. I was only able to talk to them a few rounds ago, but back then they told me that there second round attempt failed. just fleshing out the information here.
 
DocEspana said:
I cannot buy SDP is the wolf. Especially given that it would be *even more effective* to have SnS kill SDP. Doing it the way it happened just strikes me as backwards.
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I have been rethinking this. The wolves needed SnS out of the way to get to Devyn. But only a few people seem to have known devyn and Sns's role. I knew SnS's, but never knew about devyn. Definitely had no clue she was protecting her. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think SD and DocE were the only two to know? If this is true, then I am going to classically waffle right now:

unlynch kismet
lynch SD

something is really fishy here I just can't figure out what
 
DocEspana said:
One thought. Sdp had a power that could be used 3 times. I was only able to talk to them a few rounds ago, but back then they told me that there second round attempt failed. just fleshing out the information here.
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I think that was the night I hindered him, not 100% on that though
 
Tally votes:

Franz - 4 (sheep, bbeventer, Foxhunter, Doc)
Ksmi- 4 (lissarae, abber, franz, akd)
Sheepie- 2 (LIS, Packen)
 
Day 11 Lynch Tally votes:

Franz - 4 (sheep, bbeventer, Foxhunter)
Ksmi- 4 (lissarae, abber, franz, akd)
Sheepie -3 (LIS, Packen, DocE)
 
Who do we think may have sent Sheepie the message? It sounds like it might be a setup for him...
 
Lissarae06 said:
Can you elaborate on what just happened? because I am still confused as f*** and we only have 8 minutes until the deadline.
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I personally think this was an elaborate plot at SnS's expense to get her out of the way and then get to devyn. But not sure this is what Doc was thinking
 
abbercadaver said:
Who do we think may have sent Sheepie the message? It sounds like it might be a setup for him...
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How would it be a setup? If its true then whoever sent it was good. No one would suspect him after it was sent. Why would a wolf think that we'd turn on our informant? It's highly unorthodox.
 
All I have to say is that if you guys are really stupid enough to lynch me right now I am going to be happy to prove you wrong, and then you better know what to do next day cycle after Im gone.
 
Packen said:
What if Sheepie never really got a message, a la LIS last game?
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So you are suggesting Sheepie "got" a message (from himself) to get SnS killed, so they next night they could get Devyn off'ed?
 
ksmi117 said:
Did anyone come up with a reason why there might have been 3 messages sent the night before we lynched sns?
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yes I did. Sns tipped off sdp that she was next on the seer list. She made it up, not knowing there would be a raven and an Akd message as well. So ado scrambled to make himself above suspicion.

alternatively the message is from a mechanic we don't understand. and it's real. in that case sdp has claimed franz was the last seered. I have no clue how sdp would know who is next seered, but if true sms would know that too and wolves could likely pm during the snowstorm. franz was told make sure you kill Devyn.

either way I cant see ksmi being guilty at this juncture.
 
abbercadaver said:
So you are suggesting Sheepie "got" a message (from himself) to get SnS killed, so they next night they could get Devyn off'ed?
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There is no way a wolf would risk killing one if their own this late in the game when there was mo suspicion on either of us until then.
 
She did say the cycle would be over "no later than 9 am"...so we may have time to do this, still 🙂

Any more info?! Gah, I really don't want to lynch Sheepie. 🙁
 
ksmi117 said:
How would it be a setup? If its true then whoever sent it was good. No one would suspect him after it was sent. Why would a wolf think that we'd turn on our informant? It's highly unorthodox.
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Setup being, "someone" (a wolf) somehow sent him a message. He figures its good to go. The wolves accomplish offing SnS so they can get to Devyn, THROUGH Sheepie, so the real wolf isn't suspected in the 'oh, I got a message from a random source' mess.
 
Day 11 Lynch Tally votes:

Franz - 3 (sheep, bbeventer, Foxhunter)
Ksmi- 3 (lissarae, franz, akd)
Sheepie -5 (LIS, Packen, DocE, ksmi, abber)
 
DocEspana said:
barring better info franz is next. Sdp, if you are villager I wanna be helpful, confirm how certain you are that LIS was seered
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LIS was seered day 1 by devyn and to my knowledge never seered again
 
can we agree to never again say that sns was killed to get to devyn. it's completely unnecessary. sms was no longer protecting her. The wolves knew that because the protector was a wolf. the question becomes is sdp pullng the bravado of a lifetime, and who did devyn seer that last night and who did sns potentially warn?
 
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