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Miranda Senft said:
I'm fighting for my life here!
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It's wasted effort. When you get someone claiming to have seer results on you... I'm not sure I've seen someone talk their way out of that one. Maybe it's happened, but I've yet to witness it.
 
finnickthedog said:
It's wasted effort. When you get someone claiming to have seer results on you... I'm not sure I've seen someone talk their way out of that one. Maybe it's happened, but I've yet to witness it.
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If I die, I want people to feel like crap because I fought for so long to prove to you guys that I'm village and that you can't just trust blind information like that from coffee?! I just want to freaking live and I want some participation from other people!!!
 
Miranda Senft said:
If I die, I want people to feel like crap because I fought for so long to prove to you guys that you can't just trust blind information like that from coffee?! I just want to freaking live and I want some participation from other people!!!
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Yeah, I'm not gonna feel like crap no matter how this goes because I'm making the right move based on what's in front of me.
 
SkiOtter said:
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Pro tip #2: you can search something unique that was in all of the writeups (like group names, dead players category) and you’ll mostly/only pull up the posts you want and you don’t have to scroll through many pages
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Pro tip #3: you can search this thread for "n2" or "d3"
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finnickthedog said:
It's wasted effort. When you get someone claiming to have seer results on you... I'm not sure I've seen someone talk their way out of that one. Maybe it's happened, but I've yet to witness it.
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StayingPositive2017 said:
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Pro tip #3: you can search this thread for "n2" or "d3"
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That can also pull up lynch tallies if the mods (or players) put that in the tally title, which is still better than having to sift through all of the pages, but not as narrowed down as something more specific to writeups only
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Karabiner13 said:
Wow, hit this post and ended up falling asleep. Talk about a wall of text. After much struggle I think I've read through it all.
Did snowy start on stagg? I thought she started on fs
I think this is the first time anyone thought I was a mix of @PrincessButterCup and AM :laugh: As for mel, I don't like being ignored
I don't think stagg is flying under the radar but interesting comment about voting to get participation
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Might sound defensive, but I'd like to clarify since people have brought voting patterns up. This is going to be a wall of text post, so I'm going to put each day's breakdown in spoilers so it's not taking up the entire page.


I voted Jboo as a joke and didn't move off of her because no one else stuck out to me. I felt no reason to change my vote when I didn't have any strong feels and the few people I did have some feels for weren't on the block. I've already said I think D1 is typically a crapshoot and no one has said or provided any strong evidence as to why I shouldn't feel that way. And to be clear, I'm not saying you can't find wolves D1, I'm saying I think that's pretty rare and nothing from D1 made me feel like we accomplished that. So there's D1.


I posted this around 2pm CST:

Stagg737 said:
So here's my general list of feels (some of them have reasons too, happy to go into it if people ask) so far:

Looking at as wolfy: Mel, Jboo, Jayna, AM

Feeling sketch: Pippy

Neutral (have feels both ways): Snowshoe (more towards village), YK (more towards sketch), Finnick/Ski, Sporty

Leaning village: Kara, Coffee, Lawper, SAR, Genny, Kata

Village: Morty, MJ,

Idk: Allie, Houston, Dolphin, dpmd, FS

For what it's worth, I would have put Dubz and Paws in the "neutral/leaning village" categories. I felt like Dubz was a bit hard to read, but I was getting more village feels than wolf. After the D1 lynch Paws was definitely someone I was more skeptical of, but of the people that I wanted to look into after that she was the one I least suspected of being a wolf (her gameplay seemed pretty identical to last game).

The other question I keep coming back to is "Why NK Paws?" It would have been silly of her to reveal an ability this early, but I felt like she would have also been a potential target after how that vote went down, so why else would she have been a NK? I have a lot of thoughts on that, but they're kind of all over the place right now and just end up being wifom, so for now that question's just going to sit in the back of my mind while I mull it over more.

Anyway, I've got to run some errands so I'll likely be back around 5-6 CST and will catch up more then.
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At the time, Law was far in the lead with 6. My primary suspect at the time was Mel with 2 votes, but I was hesitant to put my vote there because he seemed to be the signal on D1 for the counterwagon and had 3 players all flip, which made me feel like he's holding some significant sway and I didn't want to paint a target on my back at that time. Especially because at one point that day he talked about how it would be stupid for Law to vote for him because it would paint a target on Law's back. So I sat on my vote to see if anything would happen later. Keep in mind, my experience with mafia is only from irl, where you only get 1 vote, which is a mindset I'm trying to get out of. I figured posting the above about where I sat with everyone would serve to tell people where I stood, but apparently not.

The the Dolphin shenanigans from Coffee? started up, which I wasn't a fan of as she was just coming across as a paranoid noob and was sitting squarely in my idk but probably neutral pile. Plus it sounded way too convenient that Coffee just so happened to seer a wolf N1 was just advertising it to everyone. Wtf is that. So I said I'd consider flipping to either Mel or Jboo (my top choices) or Dolphin if someone could give me an actual reason other than a supposed seer (who has now admitted that he never seered Dolphin, so again, wtf was that?). Then you called me out for sitting on my actual vote, so I switched from Allie to Jboo because she was one of my top 2 and I wanted some answers to previous questions (which she answered). That's where my vote stayed and the dolphin vote fell apart and the Allie train started. I'm sad Allie got lynched when she was taking care of a kitten, but given the circumstances of her not responding I wasn't heartbroken since I'd like to play with people who aren't going to just be dead weight. It also allowed me to PM with Dolphin, which has somewhat confirmed my previous feels that she's a paranoid noob villager.


So then came D3 and since you had gotten on people about not voting soon enough before, I put my vote in for Houston earlier. Like I've said a dozen times, I don't like playing with dead weight. They provide no benefit to the village and only hurt later on as that's just one less person that we can actually look back and compare votes and previous statements of. If Houston had said they'd be absent for a while before the game, or was even someone who had actually been on SDN for a while I might have been more lenient. But they had 1 post ever and hadn't been on the website since D1. They were basically a wasted player and I'd rather lynch a villager who wasn't ever going to play than someone who will contribute and can possibly be cleared later. Then people started voting Moose. Then people started voting me (including you). Which I later explained to Sporty here when she asked why I switched my vote from Houston to Moose if I didn't like the Moose lynch:

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I didn't like the vote for the reason you gave here. I don't consider it a meta, but if she's a wolf she's doing a pretty fantastic job of keeping her persona the same under pressure.

I did it because I was close behind her in the tally and I was trying to stay alive. The vote count was 3-2 with no one else having 2 votes and no one else really even getting talked about. Meanwhile, AM has her vote on Moose and had been asking a bunch of people (including Moose) what they think about me and has been kind of painting me as a wolf, so I was worried about her waffling and flipping the vote. Plus there were a ton of votes still out there that I was clueless about.

So then I voted Morty and I said I really didn't like it then because I haven't been getting wolfy feels from her as she seems the same as last game, even when leaned on pretty hard. So that made it 4-2, then she voted to lynch me out of "self-prez" making it 4-3. Then the FS bandwagon started gaining steam.

I didn't want to keep my vote on Moose, but I also wanted to make sure I wasn't going to get lynched, which is why I stuck with her until Coffee? and Moose unlynched me and lynched FS.
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I went back to Houston because I was sticking by my opinion that I don't like playing with dead weight and I had no confidence that Moose was a wolf, so there was no purpose to that vote at the time imo. If that sounds shady to you then so be it, but it's neither useful nor fun.


D4- Which brings us to D4. I wouldn't bother addressing this, but since I just wrote up a long explanation in D3 about why I didn't want to vote for Moose, I feel like it's necessary to address why I'm voting for her now so my reasoning doesn't get misconstrued as it seems to have been a few times already (mostly by you I might add) since I'm voting for Moose. Coffee role revealed and is claiming to be a seer and claims Moose is wolf. So lynching Moose is going to give us valuable info no matter how she flips. Either she's a wolf and we get a wolf, or she's village and we find out Coffee is full of crap and get a 50/50 shot at lynching a wolf tomorrow. Either way, Moose's death will provide more significant information than anyone else's at this point.


@Miranda Senft This post should also address your comments on me in your analysis. I don't want to lynch you as it means either we're losing someone I think is a solid village player or you're a wolf and my feels/analysis are very off, but at this point your lynching is the best option for the village and the best chance we'll have at finding a wolf in the next 1-2 days.
 
StayingPositive2017 said:
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SkiOtter said:
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That can also pull up lynch tallies if the mods (or players) put that in the tally title, which is still better than having to sift through all of the pages, but not as narrowed down as something more specific to writeups only
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Okay, I've been on this site for almost 5 years and still didn't know you could search an entire thread and not just the page you're on. Where is this function?

Edit: Nevermind. Apparently I'm a complete ***** and don't know how to actually use the search function properly :bag:
 
Stagg737 said:
I don't think Moose is wolf, but at this point there are enough people focusing on her and a Moose lynch will give a lot of info regardless of how she flips (edit: to everyone and regarding some specific questions about other players I have as well).

If she flips village I'll also eat Dubz's hat (but I'm not going in her room to take one!).

Lynch Moose
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What are your thoughts on coffee? if you don’t think Moosy is wolf?
 
Stagg737 said:
Nevermind. Apparently I'm a complete ***** and don't know how to actually use the search function properly :bag:
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Oh you would have gotten yelled at so much if you were pre-vet
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finnickthedog said:
It's wasted effort. When you get someone claiming to have seer results on you... I'm not sure I've seen someone talk their way out of that one. Maybe it's happened, but I've yet to witness it.
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WildZoo said:
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Oh it has definitely happened lol
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Didn't @DVMDream convince people she was a villager who seered as a wolf and had a role called "wolf"?

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Didn't @DVMDream convince people she was a villager who seered as a wolf and had a role called "wolf"?

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Still my favorite game ever. In a different game, SOV also managed to convince people that he had used an item on Mrs. SOV when she had actually used it on him. I think it was a seering item but I don't remember for sure.
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I've got another party to go to. Will likely be back around 7-7:30 tonight. Will definitely get back in time for lynch close.

Lawper said:
What are your thoughts on coffee? if you don’t think Moosy is wolf?
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Has been steadily moving up my wolfy list since D2. A Moose lynch will give a lot of info and will have a big impact on my confidence with multiple reads so far. I'm going to leave it at that for now.

WildZoo said:
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Hey, I know how to use the overall search function! I just never noticed the little "search thread" box at the bottom 😳
 
Okay quick skim of what I've missed and now I have many reasons to lynch moosey

Lynch moose

Will go back and make more details commentary.

Colorado means “colored red” and is known as the “Centennial State.”
 
CoffeeQuestionMark said:
No, chaos is designated by blue color. True, he couldnt PM with the other wolves, but he won the gane with them as was indicated at the end. Its why WZ said it was fun to win with hin.

So what I'm wondering is who is feeding you information. Because for someone who has been playing the noob card and even said you were only familiar with certain roles you seem to have a clear grasp on chaos concept, which wasn't discussed in Bake and was discussed in Safari spec chat, but you werent part of.
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Coffee what are your thoughts on Stagg today? Not really reading him super sketch myself, but haven't played with him before.

Karabiner13 said:
There's a whole lot I don't like here.

First to clarify (although it is not relevant): In safari, MJ was a lone wolf who would win with wolves and counted for wolf numbers but did not have access to wolfchat. He was not chaos

There are 2 instances of answering for someone else here. The question I asked about the slip up was fully intended for moose. I realize she is busy today and I might not get an answer for a while but I wanted an answer from her, not you

The tie: I believe you had plenty of time for a tie to be broken. Why so worried about it?

unlynch mel
lynch stagg
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Hmmm... Seems like you made stronger points for lynching mel but then you change to stagg.. I've agreed with your logic so far this just seems a bit weird to me.

JaynaAli said:
Here's my thoughts today:
I didn't realize how much talking for other people that mel was doing until kara pointed it out.
I realize this is her norm where AM asks a ton of questions of people but I did an ISO and can't see where she ever posts reads. I'd like to see where her questions are leading her to place everyone. The whole was MJ a wolf or third party convo today seemed weird...I'd expect her to know what a lone wolf was?
Pippy hasn't checked in today and I'm eager to see what she's got to say now that the post restriction is lifted.
I still need to go back and reread to get a better feel about stagg. Giving it a slight wolfy lean right this moment, but I want to go back and confirm the feelings or see if they change.
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I know AM won't be back today, but reminder for later, I also would like to see more of her reads then just the person she is lynching that day.
 
genny said:
Giving me flashbacks to last game where you asked how I was so sure the village had a protector...
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Oh wait, are you implying I'm role fishing?

Because that's silly 😛 We knew kc was the protector from like D3. I had known about that wayyyyy before I asked how you knew there was a protector
 
I love how you all are voting for me because coffee? claimed she was the seer but never actually gave any real information or the results of the so called "seeing".
 
SnowshoeDog143 said:
Okay quick skim of what I've missed and now I have many reasons to lynch moosey

Lynch moose

Will go back and make more details commentary.

Colorado means “colored red” and is known as the “Centennial State.”
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Literally none of you have actually produced concrete evidence as to why you find me sketch. Coffee? saying she was the seer was just ammunition but you guys haven't even checked if the bullets are real!! (Hoping you guys like that analogy 😛 )
 
Miranda Senft said:
Literally none of you have actually produced concrete evidence as to why you find me sketch. Coffee? saying she was the seer was just ammunition but you guys haven't even checked if the bullets are real!! (Hoping you guys like that analogy 😛 )
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And you have yet to come up with any plausible reason why Coffee would lie about this.
 
Lol this page of moose..

Miranda Senft said:
To me chaos is someone who doesn't have an agenda. Someone who stirs the pot seemingly unnecessarily. It could be some players' meta I guess but I can't recall chaos players that I've read. So I think that's what I interpret it to be, someone who has their own agenda and will ping people against another or make people question those they have feels for in a certain way (it's more of a feeling kinda that someone is messing with you).
I don't have a thorough read on snowy tbh as she hasn't posted too much which is kinda sketch to me but I don't have a strong read on her.
Coffee?'s last vote was for jboo. Just before the lynch ended she changed it to jboo. That's what I don't understand.

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She goes from saying coffee and I are sketchy because we voted dolphin..but she isn't

Miranda Senft said:
That makes coffee? Less sketch because you said you were attacked last night, correct? So if you were attacked that would make you a villager (unless you're fibbing). And now that you've lowered the sketchiness of coffee? I guess that lowers the sketchiness of snowy.

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To we are not that sketchy because AM was attacked and told us not to vote dolphin therefore she isn't sketchy either? This entire exchange is amusing and contradictory 🙄

The world's largest flat-top mountain is in Grand Mesa in Colorado.
 
The thing is, we don’t need to provide evidence of why you’re sketch because someone claiming seer is saying to Lynch you. It doesn’t make sense why she would lie about being seer because if you don’t flip wolf we’ll Lynch her tomorrow. It’s not close enough to endgame for this to me a sensible wolf ploy imo. So I’m going with it for now. Your posts since her claim feel a lot like when I was seered and outed my first game as a wolf.
 
SnowshoeDog143 said:
Lol this page of moose..



She goes from saying coffee and I are sketchy because we voted dolphin..but she isn't



To we are not that sketchy because AM was attacked and told us not to vote dolphin therefore she isn't sketchy either? This entire exchange is amusing and contradictory 🙄

The world's largest flat-top mountain is in Grand Mesa in Colorado.
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I felt dolphin was sketch and I didn't agree with the Lawpy lynch. And I think AM is village as I'm getting a strong read on her! And AM said she convinced coffee? to switch! I think trusting coffee? and me getting flack for that is ridiculous since you did the same thing!
 
genny said:
And you have yet to come up with any plausible reason why Coffee would lie about this.
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If coffee? is a wolf this might be a ploy to get the real seer (if there is one) to come out and call her out so they can NK him/her next!!! It would make sense that the wolves bury AM so she can't keep questioning me which makes it look like I buried her to get her to stop questioning me which makes me look sketch!!! If there is a blocker please protect the seer if they end up coming forward today!!!
 
genny said:
I think it's a little weird you're getting all this help from mods, who generally try to be fairly hands-off in my experience. It makes me wonder if you're trying to cover for learning things through a wolf pack PM, or if Mixy really is telling you things. The fact that it's even a question is why you shouldn't rely on mods like that - it turns them into players rather than mods. I think if you have questions, either ask them in the thread or ask your PM partners, but let the mods be mods.
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I am starting to see where the stagg votes are coming from. Still asking about what the word ISO means to the mods seems like an okay question.
 
Miranda Senft said:
If coffee? is a wolf this might be a ploy to get the real seer (if there is one) to come out and call her out so they can NK him/her next!!! It would make sense that the wolves bury AM so she can't keep questioning me which makes it look like I buried her to get her to stop questioning me which makes me look sketch!!! If there is a blocker please protect the seer if they end up coming forward today!!!
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And we solve that by lynching you, then lynching coffee, and the "real seer" never has to expose themselves. Try again.
 
Melchizedek said:
Whoever took AM, you bring her back right now!

Can I get thoughts on that? Do we think the sequestering is a wolf ability or a villager ability?

It sounds like I was watched last night.
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The only other time I've heard of it was in the recent noob game (wwinter?) what was it then?

Miranda Senft said:
I won't though!! I literally fought for my life yesterday! Wouldn't I be the dumbest wolf in the freaking world to bury the person that was attacking me?! That instantly makes me look sketch!
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Though if moose is a wolf, this might be her ability. This seems like a slip-up.

genny said:
All I was told was that I was buried, and that I'd be back for the next day cycle. So, yes, I suppose that is protective if I couldn't be night-killed while buried. I could see the ability being village or wolf.
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But then again I doubt a wolf would have an ability that protects from night kills..
 
SnowshoeDog143 said:
But then again I doubt a wolf would have an ability that protects from night kills..
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I have seen a similar role in several games where it was a wolfy role. It's not really protection if it's a wolf ability, since they're not going to try to waste their night kill on the "protected" player.
 
SnowshoeDog143 said:
Coffee what are your thoughts on Stagg today? Not really reading him super sketch myself, but haven't played with him before.



Hmmm... Seems like you made stronger points for lynching mel but then you change to stagg.. I've agreed with your logic so far this just seems a bit weird to me.



I know AM won't be back today, but reminder for later, I also would like to see more of her reads then just the person she is lynching that day.
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It may have seemed like a stronger argument but to me, it felt like I had more for stagg than mel. Really getting to the point where I want to lynch mel just because he is ignoring me

Miranda Senft said:
If coffee? is a wolf this might be a ploy to get the real seer (if there is one) to come out and call her out so they can NK him/her next!!! It would make sense that the wolves bury AM so she can't keep questioning me which makes it look like I buried her to get her to stop questioning me which makes me look sketch!!! If there is a blocker please protect the seer if they end up coming forward today!!!
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If there's a blocker? You told me you were blocked N1 so you very well know there is a blocker. This fishing expedition isn't helping you at all. All you are doing is proving koffee right more and more
 
Karabiner13 said:
Wow, hit this post and ended up falling asleep. Talk about a wall of text. After much struggle I think I've read through it all.
Did snowy start on stagg? I thought she started on fs
I think this is the first time anyone thought I was a mix of @PrincessButterCup and AM :laugh: As for mel, I don't like being ignored
I don't think stagg is flying under the radar but interesting comment about voting to get participation
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Nope. Yesterday I started and ended on FS
 
SportPonies said:
lynch MOOSE

Not sure much else has to be said here.

Although, @CoffeeQuestionMark did you say what kind of seer you are? What were your seering results on Moose?
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Are you trying to figure out the seer's affiliation? Let's just lynch moose and if she flips village lynch coffee and if she flips wolf then hope there's a protector paying attention.

Miranda Senft said:
Literally none of you have actually produced concrete evidence as to why you find me sketch. Coffee? saying she was the seer was just ammunition but you guys haven't even checked if the bullets are real!! (Hoping you guys like that analogy 😛 )
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You were repeating people the first day or two almost exactly, yesterday you were all over the place with your logic, and today we have supposed seer results that you are a wolf. I think that's enough reasons to warrant your lynch.
 
SnowshoeDog143 said:
Though if moose is a wolf, this might be her ability. This seems like a slip-up.
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Meh I kind of read that as a WIFOMy type comment but I could be wrong

at this point I think it's worth getting the information from the moose lynch so

lynch moose
 
Unofficial D4 How Has There Not Been A Lynch Tally Yet? Lynch Tally

Moose (13) - Coffee?, Mel, FinnSki, Jboo, dpmd, Jayna, Lawpy, Kara, Stagg, genny, snowy, sporty, allie
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Lynch closes in ~3.5 hours

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SnowshoeDog143 said:
Are you trying to figure out the seer's affiliation? Let's just lynch moose and if she flips village lynch coffee and if she flips wolf then hope there's a protector paying attention.



You were repeating people the first day or two almost exactly, yesterday you were all over the place with your logic, and today we have supposed seer results that you are a wolf. I think that's enough reasons to warrant your lynch.
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What if I do flip wolf? Isn't it possible the wolves knew I was going to be killed today?
 
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