. WW Sign-Ups & Game Thread

[genny]

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Do you have a reason for this?

I went through and looked at her posts and she's being a little... vague? Talking about hmoo and coop, but too not much beyond that.

Thought it would make people think, especially if I didn't post a reason. She has just seemed a little off to me. I was hoping WZ would speak up more today, and she has. So probably going to vote elsewhere once I think about it a bit.

 

[genny]

Oh and I'm biased but I agree genny's vote for me is a little out of nowhere since I don't think she has mentioned me before today

Because you weren't really on my radar until I re-read yesterday this morning. Just gave me feels.

 

[genny]

4. Genny I quoted a post from you earlier. Calling out quiet people when you are quiet at that point during the game is off for me. Some of your posts since have made me think more village and others have me leaning wolf.

I had definitely posted more than kata and gwen combined at the point I made that post.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Unofficial Lynch Tally:

Zen (3) - STL, WZ, DVMD
WZ (1) - genny
AM (1) - Coopah
STL (1) - nyanko
3M (1) - AM
Lyra (1) - LIS
genny (1) - hmoo

9/15 Voting
lynch close in ~6.5 hrs

 

[genny]

Genny's comments from yesterday made me super suspicious of her... I kind of agree that WZ is giving off some feels, so her vote didn't throw me off too much. Still, I think she's acting weird and wolfy and that's where I'm putting my vote today. Lynch genny

I think it's hilarious that you agree with me about WZ, then vote to lynch me. So I'm wolfy, but also right? 😉

 

[Glammyre]

Thought it would make people think, especially if I didn't post a reason

Don't make us do your thinking for you 😛.

5. Zensing is my top suspicion. It is almost as if she posts some vague suspicions, wait until someone is in the lead or close to leading, then kind of jumps on that person... did it to both pippy and 3m.

I have questions for people, they answer them in a way I'm OK with, and by that time someone else under pressure has said something new to set me off. I was pressing Pippy during mid-day, and while I didn't address 3m directly until later, that was because I knew 3m wasn't on here to respond.

Are you referring to me waiting until the last hour or so to post a lynch vote? That's not a new thing - I like to hear the defendant talk before I judge.

 

[SummerTheLynx]

So I'm wolfy, but also right? 😉

"STL - Can you please use 6 words to describe the essence of your gameplay?" 😛

 

[genny]

Don't make us do your thinking for you 😛.

LOL
I remember saying that, and I have no idea when.

 

[hazelmoo]

I think it's hilarious that you agree with me about WZ, then vote to lynch me. So I'm wolfy, but also right? 😉

My thinking is that you come up village, WZ will be my next vote! But I'm hoping you come up wolf and then WZ will be off my radar for a bit.

 

[cdo96]

I was a little suspicious of Zen because of the way she was questioning mainly only me earlier, but I kinda feel like it might've been my bias that made me suspicious of her.

I don't think I've actually played with Zen before, so I don't know any of her wolf tells. I might be crazy, but I'm not sure that there's a wolf there.

 

[genny]

My thinking is that you come up village, WZ will be my next vote! But I'm hoping you come up wolf and then WZ will be off my radar for a bit.

I think you will be wrong twice.

unlynch WZ

 

[SummerTheLynx]

I've been a little suspicious of Zen because of the way she was questioning mainly only me earlier, but I kinda feel like it might've been my bias that made me suspicious of her.

I don't think I've actually played with Zen before, so I don't know any of her wolf tells. I might be crazy, but I'm not sure that there's a wolf there.

So what is your conclusion? You seem to 180 in this post. If you are going to say something, say it with conviction, and if you are wrong, then at least you were firmly wrong, not some wishy washy bs.

Zen is currently my top wolf suspect, and I have a pretty good spree of catching her as a wolf. So I will say that I have a fairly high suspicion that she is a wolf, and if I am wrong, then I was at least wrong with conviction 😛

 

[cdo96]

So what is your conclusion? You seem to 180 in this post. If you are going to say something, say it with conviction, and if you are wrong, then at least you were firmly wrong, not some wishy washy bs.

Zen is currently my top wolf suspect, and I have a pretty good spree of catching her as a wolf. So I will say that I have a fairly high suspicion that she is a wolf, and if I am wrong, then I was at least wrong with conviction 😛

Sorry I misspoke. I meant to say along the lines of "I was suspicious" not "I am suspicious".

And in regards to the being wrong with conviction, you also can lead a goose chase with firm feelings. Lately, at least, you've been 100% about someone but I think you've been wrong more times than not (especially with the fact that there's noooooooooo way there could be a day vigilante in the basics game. No way. Nope. Not possible. Oh... except there was.)

IMO when someone lynches someone hard it means that they know something that everyone else doesn't know- either from abilities or PMs. So I mean... I'm not gonna full throttle lead a lynch based on my feels that are biased from Zen questioning me!

 

[DVMDream]

I had definitely posted more than kata and gwen combined at the point I made that post.

I'm not saying you didn't. I'm saying that at that time, you also hadn't posted much. It is odd to call out the couple of players posting less than you as suspicious because of not posting. You have since definitely posted more, but it is still out to call out someone for not posting much when you also weren't. It isn't a matter of..well they had 3 posts and I had 6. It is a matter of everyone else being very active and you being among the least at that time.

 

[DVMDream]

I was not in final roster, look at the edit time stamps. Look at where I was signed up and where I ended up.

Ok, I think I get what you are saying. Not sure why trilt isn't mentioning new people being added because the way it looks...you were part of the original roster. The edits are a bit confusing.

 

[SummerTheLynx]

Sorry I misspoke. I meant to say along the lines of "I was suspicious" not "I am suspicious".

And in regards to the being wrong with conviction, you also can lead a goose chase with firm feelings. Lately, at least, you've been 100% about someone but I think you've been wrong more times than not (especially with the fact that there's noooooooooo way there could be a day vigilante in the basics game. No way. Nope. Not possible. Oh... except there was.)

IMO when someone lynches someone hard it means that they know something that everyone else doesn't know- either from abilities or PMs. So I mean... I'm not gonna full throttle lead a lynch based on my feels that are biased from Zen questioning me!

Eh or they are picking up on stuff from prior games and going hard with it. The whole thing with WW is you will be wrong more often than right, or ww games would be very short. If I get a strong feeling, I will run with it. I should eventually learn that if my hard feeling is based off mod stuff and not about how the person is acting, I am usually wrong. This zen vote has nothing to do with mod mechanisms.

 

[WildZoo]

Because you weren't really on my radar until I re-read yesterday this morning. Just gave me feels.

Fair enough.

To everyone who is concerned about my inactivity: deal with it? It's probably not going to change. I've got things to do and will contribute when I can and when I feel like it.

 

[DVMDream]

Don't make us do your thinking for you 😛.


I have questions for people, they answer them in a way I'm OK with, and by that time someone else under pressure has said something new to set me off. I was pressing Pippy during mid-day, and while I didn't address 3m directly until later, that was because I knew 3m wasn't on here to respond.

Are you referring to me waiting until the last hour or so to post a lynch vote? That's not a new thing - I like to hear the defendant talk before I judge.

No, I'm referring to how you are responding to and placing pressure on certain people. I got odd vibes with how you were responding to pippy, as it came across as you trying very hard to keep her suspicious. I got the same feeling with you lynching 3m.

 

[SummerTheLynx]

Fair enough.

To everyone who is concerned about my inactivity: deal with it? It's probably not going to change. I've got things to do and will contribute when I can and when I feel like it.

But what if we want to see more of you around these here parts? 🙂

 

[cdo96]

If I get a strong feeling, I will run with it.

right exactly! If I get a strong feeling, I'm gonna use it. But what if the feeling isn't strong? I'm not trying to pull some passive ****, but my readings are weak af this game. No clue why. So like I said, I'm not gonna say "omg STL is definitely a wolf he needs to go like... yesterday!" because I'm not gonna run with minor feels.

 

[SummerTheLynx]

right exactly! If I get a strong feeling, I'm gonna use it. But what if the feeling isn't strong? I'm not trying to pull some passive ****, but my readings are weak af this game. No clue why. So like I said, I'm not gonna say "omg STL is definitely a wolf he needs to go like... yesterday!" because I'm not gonna run with minor feels.

But you should still run with minor feels. Put the pressure, make the person break. That's like 3/4 of the fun of WW. And when you run into situations where you are wrong, you try again tomorrow

 

[WildZoo]

Looking at kills for a minute:
Reasons for cheat kill were obvious
Snowy not so much but could not gather much from her posts/votes that led me to believe wolves would have been too concerned about her being a seer (assuming wolves are seer hunting as they should be). She did voice concerns about PBC, which would make me want to look that direction except that she later backed off and switched to lyra - so no reason for either of them if wolfy to think they had been seered. I was thinking though, could have been a preemptive kill - take her out just in case she was the seer, prevent her from seering these people she was suspicious of. All that to say I feel pretty ok with PBC otherwise, and this maybe gives me slightly more reason to keep an eye on lyra.

 

[WildZoo]

But what if we want to see more of you around these here parts? 🙂

 

[WhtsThFrequency]

I'm still torn on mm/AM....but I do think the latter just seemed to be very conveniently "there" to argue with her over points, and to the point of going back and reposting multiple things.

I may regret putting mm on the back burner for now, but.... lynch AM.

 

[WhtsThFrequency]

Fair enough.

To everyone who is concerned about my inactivity: deal with it? It's probably not going to change. I've got things to do and will contribute when I can and when I feel like it.

This sounds more like something nyanko would say than you. Not sure whether to laugh or go

 

[mmmdreamerz]

I thought AM was weird last night and she hasn't unconvinced me...Zen is a close second

Lynch AM

 

[LetItSnow]

Your play is not decreased activity, it's different behavior. My play is decreased activity, not behavior. It is two different things.

For everyone else who didn't pick up on it - this is BS.

Posting frequency is part of your metagame behavior. So STL's "decreased activity" is changed behavior. What he's really trying to say is that - trust him - his changed behavior isn't wolfy, but my changed behavior somehow is. It's 100% classic STL smoke 'n mirrors.

2. LIS... his posting isn't the same this game. He normally has much more analysis on players by now. Not ready to lynch here yet, but would consider.

I know it isn't. I acknowledge it. But part of it is that you're comparing recent play to my true overall metagame. Lately I've come in aggressive, gotten my list together, and actually had statistically really good luck (in 2 of my last 4 games I've voted for a wolf D1). This game I've been meh. I get it. If you want to lynch me out to break the egg, so be it. The reality of what's going on, though, is that I'm just not feeling this game.

In that way, I actually agree with STL - my play has been different from recent games. It's contextually within my metagame, but .... anyway. All to say "I get it."

Also, LIS is seeming wolfy too me because he agreed with me on kata and he very rarely agrees with me in WW so that threw me off a little.

I'm sketchy for agreeing with you? Jesus that's harsh.

I was not in final roster, look at the edit time stamps. Look at where I was signed up and where I ended up.

It doesn't matter when you got added to the final roster - this is more STL smoke 'n mirrors.

What matters is whether you were in it when all the roles went out.

I have no idea when they went out, because I didn't get a role PM.

Since you can't (I imagine) prove that you were added after roles went out ....... you don't have a point. The 'final roster' thing is a red herring, because that doesn't equate to when roles went out. Wolves could have been rolled up at any time up to when the role PMs went out.

Since the only people getting roles are villager PRs and wolves ..... obviously nobody is going to want to talk about the timestamps on those PMs. So you don't have any actual point to make here with regard to your "I was added late, therefore I can't be a wolf" argument.

"STL - Can you please use 6 words to describe the essence of your gameplay?" 😛

Haaahahahahahaha. Nicely done. 🙂

Zen is currently my top wolf suspect, and I have a pretty good spree of catching her as a wolf. So I will say that I have a fairly high suspicion that she is a wolf, and if I am wrong, then I was at least wrong with conviction 😛

If Zen is your top pick, and Zen is DVMD's top pick, then let's just vote Zen. It won't clear me in the mind of you and DVMD, but it will at least push you and DVMD over to village in my mind if Zen flips wolf, since you two have both been blunt about it. Then you can lynch me whenever you want, but at least it gets the village back on track. And nobody seems to want to lynch LG (my top pick right now) anyway, so I might as well back-burner that.

unlynch LG
lynch zen

 

[LetItSnow]

Seriously, though - lynch me if you think there's an egg-breaking argument to be made. I got no gripe with that. But for the love of all that is holy, do not let STL wave his hands and dazzle you with complex smoke 'n mirrors arguments - lynch his ass before half the game is gone. For real.

 

[LetItSnow]

This sounds more like something nyanko would say than you. Not sure whether to laugh or go

It screams wolf to me. (So I think laugh AND go ).....

 

[DVMDream]

Seriously, though - lynch me if you think there's an egg-breaking argument to be made. I got no gripe with that. But for the love of all that is holy, do not let STL wave his hands and dazzle you with complex smoke 'n mirrors arguments - lynch his ass before half the game is gone. For real.

He's definitely higher on my suspicous list than you currently. Even if he was added after initial roles went out like he's claiming... he's still assuming a random number of wolves and stating he can't be wolf because that'd make the game too wolf heavy, however he's not acknowledging the opposite possibility... that trilt maybe thought the game was too village heavy when she added stl.

No one of this really matters though as we have no way to know if he was added before or after roles initially went out.

 

[DVMDream]

For everyone else who didn't pick up on it - this is BS.

Posting frequency is part of your metagame behavior. So STL's "decreased activity" is changed behavior. What he's really trying to say is that - trust him - his changed behavior isn't wolfy, but my changed behavior somehow is. It's 100% classic STL smoke 'n mirrors.



I know it isn't. I acknowledge it. But part of it is that you're comparing recent play to my true overall metagame. Lately I've come in aggressive, gotten my list together, and actually had statistically really good luck (in 2 of my last 4 games I've voted for a wolf D1). This game I've been meh. I get it. If you want to lynch me out to break the egg, so be it. The reality of what's going on, though, is that I'm just not feeling this game.

In that way, I actually agree with STL - my play has been different from recent games. It's contextually within my metagame, but .... anyway. All to say "I get it."



I'm sketchy for agreeing with you? Jesus that's harsh.



It doesn't matter when you got added to the final roster - this is more STL smoke 'n mirrors.

What matters is whether you were in it when all the roles went out.

I have no idea when they went out, because I didn't get a role PM.

Since you can't (I imagine) prove that you were added after roles went out ....... you don't have a point. The 'final roster' thing is a red herring, because that doesn't equate to when roles went out. Wolves could have been rolled up at any time up to when the role PMs went out.

Since the only people getting roles are villager PRs and wolves ..... obviously nobody is going to want to talk about the timestamps on those PMs. So you don't have any actual point to make here with regard to your "I was added late, therefore I can't be a wolf" argument.



Haaahahahahahaha. Nicely done. 🙂



If Zen is your top pick, and Zen is DVMD's top pick, then let's just vote Zen. It won't clear me in the mind of you and DVMD, but it will at least push you and DVMD over to village in my mind if Zen flips wolf, since you two have both been blunt about it. Then you can lynch me whenever you want, but at least it gets the village back on track. And nobody seems to want to lynch LG (my top pick right now) anyway, so I might as well back-burner that.

unlynch LG
lynch zen

Hey, I'm posting my reads. I get that you've acknowledged your play is different, I'm still going to include it in my reads list. Otherwise everyone could just acknowledge they are doing something off from their norm and I'd never get to put anything in my reads list... 😉

 

[DVMDream]

Fair enough.

To everyone who is concerned about my inactivity: deal with it? It's probably not going to change. I've got things to do and will contribute when I can and when I feel like it.

That's fine. I get when you are busy, (we've all been there) but you can't get upset at others pointing out it is off from normal for you. And being busy doesn't make you not a wolf.

 

[nyanko]

Looking at kills for a minute:
Reasons for cheat kill were obvious
Snowy not so much but could not gather much from her posts/votes that led me to believe wolves would have been too concerned about her being a seer (assuming wolves are seer hunting as they should be). She did voice concerns about PBC, which would make me want to look that direction except that she later backed off and switched to lyra - so no reason for either of them if wolfy to think they had been seered. I was thinking though, could have been a preemptive kill - take her out just in case she was the seer, prevent her from seering these people she was suspicious of. All that to say I feel pretty ok with PBC otherwise, and this maybe gives me slightly more reason to keep an eye on lyra.

What's the reason for analyzing why wolves made the kills they did, unless you're thinking that a certain person being killed makes one other player more likely to be a wolf? seems like a crappy distraction

 

[nyanko]

and an attempt at "seeming useful"

 

[nyanko]

wait i see you're soft-accusing PBC there.

 

[nyanko]

or lyra? or throwing shade in both of their direction? idk

 

[WhtsThFrequency]

Seriously, though - lynch me if you think there's an egg-breaking argument to be made. I got no gripe with that. But for the love of all that is holy, do not let STL wave his hands and dazzle you with complex smoke 'n mirrors arguments - lynch his ass before half the game is gone. For real.

It screams wolf to me. (So I think laugh AND go ).....

To be honest, I'd be perfectly happy going for either one of them as I would be Zen or AM.

 

[LetItSnow]

Hey, I'm posting my reads. I get that you've acknowledged your play is different, I'm still going to include it in my reads list. Otherwise everyone could just acknowledge they are doing something off from their norm and I'd never get to put anything in my reads list... 😉

I have no problem with you including me in your reads, especially if you think I'm sketchy. I was just responding.

 

[nyanko]

i don't understand "i have my eye on [player]" type posts. lynch them then.

 

[genny]

I'm not saying you didn't. I'm saying that at that time, you also hadn't posted much. It is odd to call out the couple of players posting less than you as suspicious because of not posting. You have since definitely posted more, but it is still out to call out someone for not posting much when you also weren't. It isn't a matter of..well they had 3 posts and I had 6. It is a matter of everyone else being very active and you being among the least at that time.

The irony of someone who wasn't even playing day 1 (therefore the epitome of inactive) calling out me for calling out someone for inactivity when I was inactive is making my head spin.

 

[Glammyre]

No, I'm referring to how you are responding to and placing pressure on certain people. I got odd vibes with how you were responding to pippy, as it came across as you trying very hard to keep her suspicious. I got the same feeling with you lynching 3m.

If Zen is your top pick, and Zen is DVMD's top pick, then let's just vote Zen. It won't clear me in the mind of you and DVMD, but it will at least push you and DVMD over to village in my mind if Zen flips wolf, since you two have both been blunt about it. Then you can lynch me whenever you want, but at least it gets the village back on track. And nobody seems to want to lynch LG (my top pick right now) anyway, so I might as well back-burner that.

I can't complain about the two of you trying to break some eggs when that's what I tried to do with pippy and 3m, but you're not going to help out. How much detail do you want on the last two lynches?

Pippy overaggressiveness was a little weird, but not something I worried about. Her attempt to give up, and what I saw as a poor-logic theory, made me more suspicious, and I kept asking to see if the story got better. The tone improved, but the logic didn't. The final straw was actually her village read of me - she'd picked the two people acting relatively nice to her recently and claimed them as village reads. I honestly thought she was trying to manipulate me and Snowy into voting for someone else to save her from lynch (oh, you think I'm a villager? I think you're nice too! 😀). In hindsight, I think she just confused game-feels with emotion-feels. At the time, I felt manipulated and lynched.

3m was (and is, based on this morning's post) like talking to a brick wall. I kept coming back to my points since I felt like they weren't getting addressed. Every time I asked something, 3m turned it back around. Eventually I got frustrated and lynched. Only reason I'm not doing that now is because I didn't want to start that cycle this early in the lynch cycle. I thought new discussion would be more productive than circling back around with what happened last night .

Current suspicions - @mmmdreamerz for questioning the Pippy lynch and not doing anything about it. @Coopah and @LetItSnow are still on there starting that kata lynch for questionable behavior. Haven't heard from either one, but LIS made his excuses before I posted, so that's on me and not him. Don't know where Coop is, though.

 

[DVMDream]

The irony of someone who wasn't even playing day 1 (therefore the epitome of inactive) calling out me for calling out someone for inactivity when I was inactive is making my head spin.

Um, are you actually serious on this? Do you not see how stupid this post sounds? That's like calling out a player that was dead on day 3 but revived in day 4 for posting about things they felt were off on day 3.

 

[Animal Midwife]

I thought AM was weird last night and she hasn't unconvinced me...Zen is a close second

Lynch AM

Waiting to vote for me and completely ignoring my reasoning isn't helping your case.

 

[Glammyre]

tl;dr to above, since I know @DVMDream hates walls of text - I'm trying to play the game, ask questions, and press players I'm particularly suspicious about by questioning their logic. Read into it what you will, and I'll do my best to explain if asked.

 

[mmmdreamerz]

Waiting to vote for me and completely ignoring my reasoning isn't helping your case.

Definitely not waiting to vote for you. I have a job and just got home to check in.

 

[genny]

Um, are you actually serious on this? Do you not see how stupid this post sounds? That's like calling out a player that was dead on day 3 but revived in day 4 for posting about things they felt were off on day 3.

Ok, so you're allowed to call out people for inactivity, but not me? Got it. 😉

 

[DVMDream]

Ok, so you're allowed to call out people for inactivity, but not me? Got it. 😉

You're trying to say I was inactive when I wasn't part of the game. That is stupid and grasping at straws.

 

[DVMDream]

If I actually were playing the game day 1, you'd have a point but since I wasn't, it would be about similar to saying pippy isn't being active enough currently.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Definitely not waiting to vote for you. I have a job and just got home to check in.

You said, at the beginning of this cycle, that you already had me and Zen pegged as wolfy, but waited until a couple of other players voted for me so you wouldn't look suspicious by being the first one.

 

[genny]

You're trying to say I was inactive when I wasn't part of the game. That is stupid and grasping at straws.

No, what I'm saying is I don't have a problem with me calling out anyone for being inactive at any time. I am sorry you don't see the humor in the situation.

And yes, Pippy has been way too inactive recently. Guess that means there's no rezzing in this game.