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SummerTheLynx said:
I get that, when I am saying less concerned I mean that in a relative sense. I could say I am concerned about wildzoo, but there are 6 or 7 people that I would lynch before I lynched her.

For me it seems highly improbable from those that have modded that I would get added late as a wolf at 18 players. Because there is virtually no way we started with 3 wolves (1:5 ratio). And 4 wolves at 19 is at a nice sweet spot. 5 is too much, 3 is too few. At 20, it becomes more feasible for a newer mod to do something like add a wolf in (to create a 1:3 ratio), but trilt has been around the block, and also tried to hide you being added, so I highly doubt you would have been added as an original (that and good vote history, solid analysis, etc.)

After seeing the thing that Zensing did on day 1 that I just quote above, I think i am going to go with:

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The problem is you're trying to guess how many wolves trilt started with at 18 players... what if she only started with 2? Adding in a wolf when upping to 19 doesn't seem like such a big deal now, does it? You can't make an argument that you can't be a wolf because numbers wouldn't work. If you aren't a wolf, you have no clue what the numbers were...so, you're argument for not being added falls flat because we don't know how many wolves to villagers trilt started with and we can make a scenario in which it wouldn't be a bad idea to add someone in as a wolf.
 
I can also say that trilt PM'd me asking if I'm interested in playing still because she could really use another player. I initially internally cringed because my first thought was I'm going to be added as a wolf or some role. So, I was surprised to get the period, no abilities role. It does make me wonder if the game was initially wolf heavy before I was added. Or maybe she already knew of non participating people.
 
LetItSnow said:
Bunch o' points. (And in some of them I'm responding to Pippy's posts - I know Pippy is dead, the responses are generalized.)

@cheathac - you shouldn't be 'like'ing posts that are strategic (like STL's above). You're dead. It could imply endorsement of the post, which would be a strategic thing. So just don't.



Gotta admit that this post in its million forms ("you guys are gonna feel so stupid when you find out I'm a villager!") annoys the hell out of me.

If it were a 'shock' to vote for a villager, we'd all be dead from heart attacks by now. It's WW - we lynch villagers most of them time. Yawn.



(The post was in regard to Zen, if I recall)

I don't think it really means anything. I'm certainly not going to give it much weight.



LIS's activity is hit or miss. It's life.

I do enjoy early game more than late game, that's true. And I usually try and post a list of reads. I haven't had time to really formalize them this game yet. And I often wait until D2 to do it anyway.

I did edit a post somewhere back there - it was for typos. Believe me or don't. I don't care.



Indeed. And I also explained why I was changing my vote. Pippy apparently ignored that post.



I can get on board with any of those. I also like LG and 3M for lynches. LG because I had no sooner posted my reasons for Pippy than LG basically parroted them. Just seemed like a real wolfy "me 2" kinda post. 3M because of the whole "don't want Pippy lynched, but I'm going to vote in such a way that doesn't further that agenda." It's inconsistent.

For now:

lynch LG

As far as my current reads, I've barely started:

village - cdo, showshoe
wolf - LG, 3m, genny, hmoo

I'm not as sold on Zensing as STL, but I also don't have any objection to a zensing lynch.

I'll firm up my list later.
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Also LIS, you are doing exactly what got you mad at pippy, you are saying that I am going to feel so dumb when you come up as a villager.

Looking back, I don't think the post was actually referring to zen, so it's interesting that pippy's words got twisted to defending zen.

Also I feel like you posted read lists towards the end of day 1 in recent games, but I do need to look back and double check.

It's also interesting how different our reads are from one another this game, usually they are closer to one another...
 
SummerTheLynx said:
LIS - to quote you earlier in the game, here are my thoughts on you

looking back, not liking the double vouch for coopah when it was between coopah and pippy on day 1
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I don't care that I am sketchy to you - you just keep insisting that I am behaving differently, and you are wrong. My play this game is WELL within my typical play. It is different than the last few games, but kf your approach to logic is to confine your data to the last few games for someone who has played for years .... well, that is bad science.

But more power to you.

In regards to your why-it's-impossible-for-STL-to-be-a-wolf questions - I already admitted that I can't explain it. So do you have a point? I literally said you are sketchy as hell but I can't explain (the things you pointed out). So what more do you want? You're just being a dick at this point.
 
Zensing said:
Forgot lynch CDO with the above 😳
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I forgot about this early vote by zen. Doesn't mean a ton, but knocks cdo down a click from where she was, especially with the long explanation post throwing shade at her right before.
LyraGardenia said:
I'm surprised nobody commented on this, it looks like the dead might have a role in this game?

Hmoo seems village to me, I doubt she would have made such a fuss about cheat's death and drawn attention to herself sniping with STL if she were a wolf. LIS seems like his normal village self to me. Nyanko seems to be posting slightly more strategy than she did last game as a wolf, but I can never get a good read on her. I've learned never to trust STL, but I don't have any strong feelings on him either way yet. I think the Pippy/Zen thing is neither here nor there, vouches D1 in a game without group PMing don't mean much (if you could even call what Pippy said a vouch for Zen). I definitely want to hear more from @Gwenevre and @katashark today.






This really doesn't sit right with me, that first post from 3m was 30 minutes before lynch close, so if she'd flipped to cheat and created a tie there was plenty of time for someone else to break the tie. Multiple times I've seen wolves stick with throwaway votes on D1 rather than vote for a candidate in the lead, so as not to gun too hard for someone's lynch early on. If you really didn't like the Pippy lynch, why not do something about it? 3m also mentioned Coop seeming sketchy earlier in the day, but didn't vote for her either.

lynch 3m
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I really am curious what role the dead are playing. Looking back at that post, I agree that was a hint by trilt. I have a suspicion, but don't want to post it yet.

Looking back, I am less inclined took towards LG, analysis is what I would expect from more of a villager perspective
 
SummerTheLynx said:
Also LIS, you are doing exactly what got you mad at pippy, you are saying that I am going to feel so dumb when you come up as a villager.
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Not really. I am saying that you are doing a poor analysis. For someone who has said he just goes off a logical evaluative approach ..... you ate doing a crappy job. That's all.

But you do you.

Like I said - if it really is that puzzling to you, then lynch me. Otherwise, move on. Not because of how I feel about it, but because that is the best way,for the village to win; by not having lingering wuestions.
 
WildZoo said:
Lynch coop

On reread her post to cheat still struck me as sketch. Not just because she said cheat shouldn't have mentioned having a role, but because she qualified it with "unless you're a period, in which case ignore me". To me that read like reaching for cheat to respond with a clarification about whether she was actually claiming to have a PR or was a vanillager.

Could also go lyra or kata. Not a big fan of lyra's vote initial for genny because she hadn't checked in yet when there were still 12 hours left in the day, and also not a fan of how she switched to pipperoni (LIS said something about this that I agreed with).

As for kata, block of text post full of excuses...I don't like it.
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I forgot about this with coop, adding more to the coop column.
Zensing said:
lynch 3m.

She's still not getting the point. 3m, you didn't need to tie. If you disliked the pippy lynch, then you needed to provide a reasonable alternative and explain your reasoning. It doesn't even have to be a full push - provide your reasoning, and see if villagers agree. I think a passive player could still do that.
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this vote I am not a fan of, and adds points toward MMM being village.
 
Zensing said:
Still not happy with 3m, but don't think I have anything more to add that I didn't say last night. As for other discussions...

@genny - I echo cdo. Why are you voting WZ?

@DVMDream - what are your thoughts now that you've read through the thread?

As for me, I'm interested in people who pushed a kata lynch. I thought gwen's day 1 was more suspicious (drop in once a few hours before lynch close and parrots other's reasons) than kata's (random vote at the start where she implied she wanted to come back), so I'm wondering if kata was put up for lynch instead of gwen because people thought kata had a sketchier meta-game reputation (vote more likely to stick).

@Coopah, why did you zero in on Kata's lynch yesterday? @LetItSnow, why did you agree?
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This is right when zen started getting traction. WIFOM, I would have put 1 person in that analysis that was a wolf. If coopah comes up wolf, I will feel A bit better about LIS.
 
Animal Midwife said:
I'm leaning slightly more towards Coop because of her sudden switch from me to genny. She also seems peg me as village after viewing me as sketchy for the last two cycle when not much has really changed.
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This is totally wrong I still think you're highly suspicious personally, but genny just pushed her sketchyness over you near the end. I would love to still lynch you.
 
LetItSnow said:
Not really. I am saying that you are doing a poor analysis. For someone who has said he just goes off a logical evaluative approach ..... you ate doing a crappy job. That's all.

But you do you.

Like I said - if it really is that puzzling to you, then lynch me. Otherwise, move on. Not because of how I feel about it, but because that is the best way,for the village to win; by not having lingering wuestions.
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I have a few candidates to go through first, but yes, I will probably lynch you in the next few days. If I die within the next few days, I don't want you being forgotten about, so I will bring it up.
Coopah said:
This is totally wrong I still think you're highly suspicious personally, but genny just pushed her sketchyness over you near the end. I would love to still lynch you.
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Care to give a defense rather than continuous skating by and only responding when your name is brought up? 🙂
 
Finally
Lynch coop

SummerTheLynx said:
other than Dubz, who does the obviously dumb move as a wolf quite frequently - which yes, dubz, you will argue is smart because no one would think you would do it)
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Actually I would agree that I do super dumb things as a wolf. And it's not because it's smart, but because it's fun :heckyeah:

DVMDream said:
I'll lynch coop

But if coop comes up village, I'm lynching WZ tomorrow
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Well in that case I hope coop is a wolf lol
 
Coopah said:
Mostly because I don't think you've given any concrete reason for your suspicions. Just the tone feels off. You've been acting odd to me, not just the change in activity. I can't dig it all up right now because I'm at Easter at my grandparents-in-laws house so I'll deal with it later.
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Pretty sure I quoted posts from you earlier, plus had something or other in my Zen ISO that pointed me towards you, in addition to the tone.

If you want me to be more specific - your posts have been much more subdued and infrequent since d1 (advice from wolf mentors perhaps?), a few times you've popped in rather conveniently when you were mentioned, but you're also not addressing concerns in the way that I would generally expect from you.
 
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SummerTheLynx said:
For me it seems highly improbable from those that have modded that I would get added late as a wolf at 18 players. Because there is virtually no way we started with 3 wolves (1:5 ratio). And 4 wolves at 19 is at a nice sweet spot. 5 is too much, 3 is too few.
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Yesterday I said 3 original wolves sounded like too few and you disagreed with me. :eyebrow: Not to sidetrack the game with this argument since it's all speculation anyway, but make up your mind, dude.
 
SummerTheLynx said:
1 wolf to 5 villagers, 1:5 ratio.

And Lyra - I was arguing 4 total wolves. Doesn't mean we started with 4
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To clarify: if we started with 4 wolves, there are no converts. If we started with three wolves, there is 1 convert. If we started with 2 wolves, there are 2 converts.

Trilt said this is like a basics game, meaning we are looking at 4 wolves at start or 3+1, anything else is not basic.
 
SummerTheLynx said:
Trilt said this is like a basics game, meaning we are looking at 4 wolves at start or 3+1, anything else is not basic.
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The only way you know the number of wolves is if you are a wolf. Is that what you are trying to say? If not, then quit trying to push what you think the numbers are and agree that it could be a mix of anything, as it is in every ww game, basic or not.
 
DVMDream said:
The only way you know the number of wolves is if you are a wolf. Is that what you are trying to say? If not, then quit trying to push what you think the numbers are and agree that it could be a mix of anything, as it is in every ww game, basic or not.
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I am talking about this from a balancing aspect. Trilt thinks about balancing in a similar way to me, and @Trilt can attest to the fact that last game, I called out all of her mechanisms in terms of how she thought, and used the same logic that she used. Could she have changed everything up completely for what she is calling a basics game? I mean maybe, but I doubt it. So I am trying to propose the most likely out there, and there really should be nothing wrong with that. Do I say things as if they are truth, even when i am not 100% on it? Yes, I do that with almost everything in WW.

But fine, we can stop talking about this because of your thoughts.

Hey @Coopah you want to weight in at any point?
 
DVMDream said:
I'm actually torn between WZ and coop right now. WZ because not being normal WZ and coop because her posting really only picks up when people mention her, then she kind of disappears when she isn't on the radar.
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Quickly here, as I'm running around Eastering - I've been noticing that as well. Coop is one of the few that seems to be mentioned almost every round and she'll pop on, and then slide back off. A few times I'm not concerned about because its normal to address people's concerns, but it's become a bit of a repeat behavior that as soon as the tone changes she drops back on what almost seems like a defense. I'm getting a bit of an opportunistic vibe.

Lynch Coop
 
Ok it appears as though I am now gaining serious traction. There is a reason I've stepped back and haven't really been responding to shade too much because it's beneficial for not being wolf killed. I've been trying to not be too prominent. But now that it's about to get me killed I'd better start talking. STL isn't the only one who's gained something.
 
Honestly, I'm doing the whole family thing today as well so I did a little reading/thinking but I'll have time again tomorrow...I'm not feeling the Coopah lynch at this point. Feels too easy? Like everyone might just be going with it 'cause we're all busy because of the holiday?

Glad @Trilt extended it to tomorrow.
 
I'm really glad today's a long day cycle because today's been... rough to say the least (Apparently I learned what it's like to have 10 family members yelling at you at the same time with new one on your damn side... rough day). I'll compose thoughts tomorrow, after my plane lands and I consume large amounts of post-family time wine. So this post is just me checking in. 🤔
 
Coopah said:
Ok it appears as though I am now gaining serious traction. There is a reason I've stepped back and haven't really been responding to shade too much because it's beneficial for not being wolf killed. I've been trying to not be too prominent. But now that it's about to get me killed I'd better start talking. STL isn't the only one who's gained something.
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I may be wrong, but since zen died as a wolf period, I have a feeling that gaining an ability isn't limited to villagers.
 
SummerTheLynx said:
I am talking about this from a balancing aspect. Trilt thinks about balancing in a similar way to me, and @Trilt can attest to the fact that last game, I called out all of her mechanisms in terms of how she thought, and used the same logic that she used. Could she have changed everything up completely for what she is calling a basics game? I mean maybe, but I doubt it. So I am trying to propose the most likely out there, and there really should be nothing wrong with that. Do I say things as if they are truth, even when i am not 100% on it? Yes, I do that with almost everything in WW.

But fine, we can stop talking about this because of your thoughts.

Hey @Coopah you want to weight in at any point?
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I have a feeling I know how Trilt feels about you assuming that you know exactly how she would design a game 😉
 
SummerTheLynx said:
I am talking about this from a balancing aspect. Trilt thinks about balancing in a similar way to me, and @Trilt can attest to the fact that last game, I called out all of her mechanisms in terms of how she thought, and used the same logic that she used. Could she have changed everything up completely for what she is calling a basics game? I mean maybe, but I doubt it. So I am trying to propose the most likely out there, and there really should be nothing wrong with that. Do I say things as if they are truth, even when i am not 100% on it? Yes, I do that with almost everything in WW.

But fine, we can stop talking about this because of your thoughts.

Hey @Coopah you want to weight in at any point?
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It's hilarious that you tagged Trilt, since a mod isn't going to jump in and participate in her own game. By hilarious I mean mostly in line with normal STL shenanigans but weird enough that I'm 😵-ing you. It's like you're presenting a fact to backup your argument but the fact is totally subjective and the person you tagged can't even corroborate it . . .
 
I feel blind, since I'm not seeing what's so shady about Coop. I didn't think she was wolfy last time until her seer role reveal, so . . . Can someone clarify their feels?

For now, I do like Lyra, per quote analysis yesterday.

Lynch Lyra
 
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Tired Tator Tot Tally

Coop (5) - STL, AM, DVMD, Dubz, WTF
Lyra (3) - PBC, ny, LIS

8/12 voting
Waffleometer: 0

Lynch close ~10.5 hours, 9 PM EDT
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I've been going back and forth between Lyra and Coop. I feel slightly stronger about the Lyra vote, but that being said, I wouldn't be upset if it flipped to Coop. (I know that sounds wishy washy, but they're both suspicious to me).

Lyra began the game piggybacking on other's analysis and hasn't provided too much of her own. Has a lot of reaaally weird comments.
Coopah began the game in the Coopah type of ball of hell and suspicions. After living past her typical D1 death, she backed waaaay off and wasn't posting much, unless she was tagged.

So I went through and iso'd their posts.

LyraGardenia said:
I also thought this completely unprovoked defense was weird. I think a lot of people are asleep already and lynch doesn't close until tomorrow night, so it doesn't make sense to bring up that you won't be around again until tomorrow. I don't like to lynch noobs just because they're noobs, but I'm keeping this in mind for now.
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piggy backing, long post but nothing new here

Coopah said:
Lol have you met me dubz? Subtlety is not my specialty. I just don't bother with it anymore. Anyone with half a brain would see it so I said something.
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coop's being... different this game. She's being the angry kind of sassy.

LyraGardenia said:
Just wanted to point out that cheat did play the immuno game too, but I think that was her first and only game. However, I'd like to get some conversation going about other people today.

Lynch genny since she hasn't checked in yet.
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Lyra pointed out that genny hadn't checked in at 8 am cst, 12 hours before lynch close. Interesting.

Coopah said:
Nope, I haven't been in the lead since what noon? I've been on and speaking with Pippy but it kinda quickly devolves and I don't really want to be a distraction. Anyway here are my reads:
Village: AM (normal meta IMO), 3m (was just trying to get her talking with the lynch vote), LIS (I know someone said he seems to be more active but that's entirely dependant on how his shifts/busy days are so I find him completely normal)
Neutral: Genny (slight village lean but I haven't seen much), everyone else
Wolfy: Pippy (already stated), cheat (n00b or honest mistake, leaning mistake but still sketchy)
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her neutral& wolf reads are all confirmed village. Her village reads are people that the vast majority have suspicions of. (LIS aside, but LIS is always at least somewhat suspicious)

LyraGardenia said:
Okay, so if you didn't like the cheat lynch either then why not push for someone else that you DID think was wolfy?


You thought Coop was sketchy, why not go back to her? At the time you mentioned not liking the Pippy "bandwagon" there were 3 votes for Coop (compared to 5 votes for cheat and 7 for Pippy), depending on the arguments made 30 minutes could have been plenty of time to swing the lynch to someone else. Was kata really your top wolf suspect at that point?? You didn't even give any reasoning for voting for her. Sitting back saying "I don't like this lynch" but not doing anything about it doesn't help the village.
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lyra is getting really defensive to 3M about not singlehandedly changing the vote and flipping it towards her suspect...

WildZoo said:
Lynch coop

On reread her post to cheat still struck me as sketch. Not just because she said cheat shouldn't have mentioned having a role, but because she qualified it with "unless you're a period, in which case ignore me". To me that read like reaching for cheat to respond with a clarification about whether she was actually claiming to have a PR or was a vanillager.

Could also go lyra or kata. Not a big fan of lyra's vote initial for genny because she hadn't checked in yet when there were still 12 hours left in the day, and also not a fan of how she switched to pipperoni (LIS said something about this that I agreed with).
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this. Agree.

LyraGardenia said:
This is poor logic. Villagers are going to vote for other villagers, it happens. I don't think anybody voted for you without good reason.

Unlike, say, that kata lynch. I would have liked to have given kata another day since I've never played with her before and she was at least trying. I'll have to take a look at how those votes stacked up.
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Suuuuuper sketchy post to me. Especially the "I would've liked to have given kata another day". Yes, village lynches village sometimes, but I mean, you bitched at 3M for not flipping the vote, and yet you say that. Follow what you say then and you should've tried harder? Idk it's sketch city.

Coopah said:
Mostly because I don't think you've given any concrete reason for your suspicions. Just the tone feels off. You've been acting odd to me, not just the change in activity. I can't dig it all up right now because I'm at Easter at my grandparents-in-laws house so I'll deal with it later.
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weird to me.

Coopah said:
Ok it appears as though I am now gaining serious traction. There is a reason I've stepped back and haven't really been responding to shade too much because it's beneficial for not being wolf killed. I've been trying to not be too prominent. But now that it's about to get me killed I'd better start talking. STL isn't the only one who's gained something.
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this is really weird statement to me. If she was village, this is almost a guaranteed reason for wolves to want to get rid her because they don't know if she got a power role. If she's wolf, it's only casually mentioning it so it could earn her some "omg don't lynch me I'm important" village credit.

Wow. When I started this post I was planning on lynching coop, but I really think that Lyra is the bigger threat.

Lynch lyra
 
cdoconn said:
Lyra pointed out that genny hadn't checked in at 8 am cst, 12 hours before lynch close. Interesting.
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It was a somewhat random D1 vote, I was just trying to get someone quiet talking and I later switched my vote once Pippy was acting weird.

cdoconn said:
Suuuuuper sketchy post to me. Especially the "I would've liked to have given kata another day". Yes, village lynches village sometimes, but I mean, you bitched at 3M for not flipping the vote, and yet you say that. Follow what you say then and you should've tried harder? Idk it's sketch city.
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Again, I wasn't around for the last few hours before lynch close when the votes for kata stacked up. The last time I was on around 4:30 CT, kata only had one vote over 3m. Completely different situation than 3m posting 30 minutes before lynch close that she didn't like the Pippy lynch, but not doing anything about it.
 
LyraGardenia said:
It was a somewhat random D1 vote, I was just trying to get someone quiet talking and I later switched my vote once Pippy was acting weird.


Again, I wasn't around for the last few hours before lynch close when the votes for kata stacked up. The last time I was on around 4:30 CT, kata only had one vote over 3m. Completely different situation than 3m posting 30 minutes before lynch close that she didn't like the Pippy lynch, but not doing anything about it.
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Omg. So me not being around at a specific time is not okay, but if you're not around it is??? We all have life circumstances that may/may not allow us to be on every single minute of every day. I've already said a gazillion times that I didn't realize that there was a tie because I was trying to play from my phone while commuting between work and school.

People totally blew that out of proportion, which maybe was fair at the time, but every time someone continues to bring it up, it definitely makes me side eye...
 
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