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Coopah said:
Seriously? That is incredibly WIFOM logic and not a defense at all. You just said you were stressed out but now you'd be a better player if you were a wolf. These things don't add up.
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I'm pretty sure those things are not mutually exclusive. I am stressed out, and I would be thinking harder about my play style if I was a wolf. They can both be true statements.
 
Zensing said:
I haven't kept up well on games since B2B2. What were the reasons people used? I'd be willing to hear more in favor of Pippy's argument, if the past game history is out there.
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The two I'm thinking of are the telenovela game where FB went down with 9 lynch votes on her. The other two wolves were #5 (pippy) and #9 (ny) on her, but they didn't really start bussing her until she was close to going down end of the day. The other one was a speed game that Coop was a wolf and started voting before the write-up because she had gotten her role and thought the game started. So the villagers who didn't get notified the game had started were super supicious. me and cdo started a vote on her to look village, but eventually came off her and some villager got lynched that day instead. So not quite the same instances as pippys theory...
 
I will be proctoring a microbiology exam tonight so I won't be available near lynch time. Here are my thoughts:
Pippy: seems pretty frazzled to me.. pretty defensive... aggressive as well. Your defense is not making a lot of sense to me. Kind of all over the place.
Cdoconn: hasn't been present a whole lot, you questioned what I said late last night, but my defense this morning didn't seem to change your mind. I'm don't know your thoughts because you haven't lynched anyone yet, but I'm sure I'm on your radar from what you posted.
Coopah: I jumped on you after what I said about "role." Since then, you haven't been as aggressive and your counter on trying to help me did change my mind some. I'm probably the biggest noob on this game at the moment lol.

Everyone else hasn't been super involved as of yet for me to make predictions

Anyhow, I'm going to unlynch Coopah lynch Pippy
 
Zensing said:
To some extent, it was the way you were probing. The other was in how you explained your read + behavior over Coop. As for defense - are there any other reads you have to share?
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I said this before, but I am having real trouble pinning down feels on people for being village right now. If I had to pick, I'd probably put you and snowy in that category, and possibly 3M, AM, and genny. Maaaybe WZ, ny, and STL, but that might be stretching it.

Wolfy:
Coop - has had sketchy sounding posts since the get-go; logic has not improved when she's gone on the offensive
LIS - slight shift in tone from what I think of as his usual village posts; haven't seen really any reads from him, but he nonetheless has posted more than usual, which is a bit weird

Some weirdness also with PBC (change in voting style compared to previous game), with hmoo (posts a gif, reads one of my posts incorrectly and jumps on me for it, and then suddenly doesn't like people talking about the game --> nets to weird progression) and with cdo (logic not totally consistent), but I could go either way on those 3.

Literally everyone else I would put under neutral.
 
SnowshoeDog143 said:
The two I'm thinking of are the telenovela game where FB went down with 9 lynch votes on her. The other two wolves were #5 (pippy) and #9 (ny) on her, but they didn't really start bussing her until she was close to going down end of the day. The other one was a speed game that Coop was a wolf and started voting before the write-up because she had gotten her role and thought the game started. So the villagers who didn't get notified the game had started were super supicious. me and cdo started a vote on her to look village, but eventually came off her and some villager got lynched that day instead. So not quite the same instances as pippys theory...
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WZ was the tide-turning AND tie breaking vote on Coopah in the vet clinic game, which bought her village cred until almost the last day of the game. And I tried to do the same thing on the Filly lynch when I was a wolf.

That's why I was waiting to see who moved there.
 
I kinda agree that a lot of tunneling is going on, which it's D1 so basically we are all grasping so maybe not wrong but I'm not overly set on any one person. Pippy and Coop aren't convincing me village but I'm not set on them being wolves either, so I'm just gonna go an altogether different direction...

Lynch kata
 
Unofficial Lynch Tally:

Pippy (7) - PBC, Coopah, LIS, Lyra, Gwen, hmoo, cheathac
PBC (1) - Pippy
cdo (0) -
3m (0) -
Gwen (1) - kata
cheat (2) - ny, WTF
hmoo (1) - STL
Coop (2) - AM, WZ
STL (0) -
genny (0) -
kata (1) – genny, 3m

17/19
Lynch close in ~ 1.5hrs.

Roll call: @Zensing @cdoconn
 
Coopah said:
This is rather telling for me. I don't know how many times I was lynched immediately for saying things like "I just don't know what else you want" or "I don't know what to do". A villager would give their reasoning behind every post when questioned not just say I have a secret theory! You have defended as a villager before, maybe not this intensely but you have done it. Don't just give up, say why you're a villager. From this I'm pretty convinced you're a wolf.
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I don't agree with this. Villagers defend all the time with saying "I don't know what else to say/do". Not a good argument imo, but not a wolf tell for sure. And pippy gave her secret theory when asked, but I'm not surprised she would say she has a theory but going to explain it later.. it screams of strategy from that super spy that she thinks she is.. But I also agree with coop that you shouldn't give up if you are village.

Coopah said:
Seriously? That is incredibly WIFOM logic and not a defense at all. You just said you were stressed out but now you'd be a better player if you were a wolf. These things don't add up.
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WIFOM, but I also think at least newer wolves do double/triple check most of their posts to make sure they aren't sketch and villagers say whatever pops into their mind. So being a wolf would make a person seem like a better player. But yeah, outside stress could make a wolf less careful.
 
Idk guys. I definitely think there's suspicions behind Pippy, but I can't say that they are wolf suspicions. I'm still getting wolfy vibes from cheat, so I'm gonna stick with my gut.

Lynch cheat
 
PippyPony said:
Can you please explain why, since in your earlier post, you were justifying with my post that you read incorrectly?
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Just saw your quote to my last post! I read it incorrectly, but I still think you're being wolfy and to have "theories" on D1 is completely grasping. It's impossible because we literally have no information at all besides feels and post patterns.
 
cheathac said:
I will be proctoring a microbiology exam tonight so I won't be available near lynch time. Here are my thoughts:
Pippy: seems pretty frazzled to me.. pretty defensive... aggressive as well. Your defense is not making a lot of sense to me. Kind of all over the place.
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I am frazzled because I am actually frazzled, and increasingly frustrated over the amount of time I've invested in this today as opposed to doing stuff I really needed to do instead. I am defensive right now because people are stupidly bandwagoning onto this lynch for lazy reasons, and now I am more than a little bit ticked off about it. And I was aggressive earlier today because I was trying to probe people to get them to respond. Which is how you find wolves.
 
hazelmoo said:
Just saw your quote to my last post! I read it incorrectly, but I still think you're being wolfy and to have "theories" on D1 is completely grasping. It's impossible because we literally have no information at all besides feels and post patterns.
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This is information.

It is 100% possible to have theories, accurate feels, and correct reads of posting patterns on D1. What do you suggest doing instead? Waiting to take a stab at things until PR information gets dropped in your lap? I'm honestly confused about why you think attempting to formulate theories is a bad thing.
 
PippyPony said:
This is information.

It is 100% possible to have theories, accurate feels, and correct reads of posting patterns on D1. What do you suggest doing instead? Waiting to take a stab at things until PR information gets dropped in your lap? I'm honestly confused about why you think attempting to formulate theories is a bad thing.
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Maybe we just have different definition of theories... having a hunch someone is a wolf is different than a theory. "Attempting to formalate theories" on D1 is confusing and unnecessary. Yes, you can attempt to pick out a sketchy person who might be a wolf, but a theory? No. Literally nothing has happened to be able to theorize anything
 
Kata and gwen have both only posted once and only a lynch vote. I don't really have anything from WZ, though she has been in and out today. Genny has only one strategy post asking pippy about #reasons and the rest is sass. I don't think PBC has even checked in today though I liked her thoughts last night. Coopah has lots of posts, but not much strategy except on pushing pippy a few times, which I think is neccessary. But not sure how I feel about her freak out over cheat talking about her role and all her fluff posts.. I am thinking I probably feel better about the coopah lynch then the pippy lynch at this point.

lynch coopah
 
hazelmoo said:
Maybe we just have different definition of theories... having a hunch someone is a wolf is different than a theory. "Attempting to formalate theories" on D1 is confusing and unnecessary. Yes, you can attempt to pick out a sketchy person who might be a wolf, but a theory? No. Literally nothing has happened to be able to theorize anything
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Ok, agree to disagree.
 
lynch pippy

Cheathac and coopah's post seem to be their meta, and I'm OK with coopah's explanation of my concern. Pippy, on the other hand, has been all across the board. It's reminding me of when I self-destructed in B2B2, and that was wolfing while under real-life stress.

Pippy, I'm very sorry that real life is so stressful right now, and I hope your exams go well this week. But you're highest on my radar right now, so you need to go.
 
Zensing said:
lynch pippy

Cheathac and coopah's post seem to be their meta, and I'm OK with coopah's explanation of my concern. Pippy, on the other hand, has been all across the board. It's reminding me of when I self-destructed in B2B2, and that was wolfing while under real-life stress.

Pippy, I'm very sorry that real life is so stressful right now, and I hope your exams go well this week. But you're highest on my radar right now, so you need to go.
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I am so, so tempted to retract my statement about you reading village to me, because this was very nicely timed to get you a soft vouch when I flip village.
 
hazelmoo said:
Just saw your quote to my last post! I read it incorrectly, but I still think you're being wolfy and to have "theories" on D1 is completely grasping. It's impossible because we literally have no information at all besides feels and post patterns.
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What? As someone who has a million theories on everything that happens.. You read posts, you try to read methods, you try to think like a wolf, you accuse people and theories just end up in your brain. You voice them and people agree with them or disagree with them. You test them out and something proves them wrong. Maybe calling them hypotheses would be more scientifically accurate. Are you saying you don't have any? Why are you lynching who you are? RNG? Because if you think they are a wolf, you've already started a "theory"...
 
hazelmoo said:
Maybe we just have different definition of theories... having a hunch someone is a wolf is different than a theory. "Attempting to formalate theories" on D1 is confusing and unnecessary. Yes, you can attempt to pick out a sketchy person who might be a wolf, but a theory? No. Literally nothing has happened to be able to theorize anything
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aaand just saw this post after I responded to your other one.
 
Zensing said:
Pippy, I'm very sorry that real life is so stressful right now, and I hope your exams go well this week. But you're highest on my radar right now, so you need to go.
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Honestly Zen, this post seems kinda off to me. I just feel like D1 no one really "needs to go." Idk. Made me side eye.
 
PippyPony said:
I am so, so tempted to retract my statement about you reading village to me, because this was very nicely timed to get you a soft vouch when I flip village.
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Slightly confused. How would you flipping village give Zen a soft vouch? I agree with a lot of the things she's been saying, but you being a villager wouldn't make me trust her anymore than I already do. Rather I'd feel a bit better if you were a wolf.
 
Animal Midwife said:
Slightly confused. How would you flipping village give Zen a soft vouch? I agree with a lot of the things she's been saying, but you being a villager wouldn't make me trust her anymore than I already do. Rather I'd feel a bit better if you were a wolf.
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1) I just put her as one of the only 2 people who I was reading as village, so she'd have a soft vouch from a villager on record
2) A late vote with "oh I've been there, too" reasoning could be easily explained away as an honest mistake
 
Unofficial Lynch Tally:

Pippy (7) - PBC, Coopah, LIS, Lyra, Gwen, cheathac, zensing
PBC (1) - Pippy
cdo () -
3m () -
Gwen (1) - kata
cheat (4) - ny, WTF, cdo, hmoo
hmoo (1) - STL
Coop (3) - AM, WZ, snowy
STL (0) -
genny (0) -
kata (1) – genny, 3m

19/19
Many waffles.
Lynch close in about 45 minutes!
 
PippyPony said:
1) I just put her as one of the only 2 people who I was reading as village, so she'd have a soft vouch from a villager on record
2) A late vote with "oh I've been there, too" reasoning could be easily explained away as an honest mistake
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I feel like a vouch would mean more from a living villager than a dead one so wolves couldn't put words in their mouth.

I have to say though, at least you're attempting to defend. I feel like Coop's just disappeared after no longer being in the lead.
 
Animal Midwife said:
I feel like a vouch would mean more from a living villager than a dead one so wolves couldn't put words in their mouth.

I have to say though, at least you're attempting to defend. I feel like Coop's just disappeared after no longer being in the lead.
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Nope, I haven't been in the lead since what noon? I've been on and speaking with Pippy but it kinda quickly devolves and I don't really want to be a distraction. Anyway here are my reads:
Village: AM (normal meta IMO), 3m (was just trying to get her talking with the lynch vote), LIS (I know someone said he seems to be more active but that's entirely dependant on how his shifts/busy days are so I find him completely normal)
Neutral: Genny (slight village lean but I haven't seen much), everyone else
Wolfy: Pippy (already stated), cheat (n00b or honest mistake, leaning mistake but still sketchy)
 
SnowshoeDog143 said:
Genny has only one strategy post asking pippy about #reasons and the rest is sass.
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(it's all sass)
 
Coopah said:
Nope, I haven't been in the lead since what noon? I've been on and speaking with Pippy but it kinda quickly devolves and I don't really want to be a distraction. Anyway here are my reads:
Village: AM (normal meta IMO), 3m (was just trying to get her talking with the lynch vote), LIS (I know someone said he seems to be more active but that's entirely dependant on how his shifts/busy days are so I find him completely normal)
Neutral: Genny (slight village lean but I haven't seen much), everyone else
Wolfy: Pippy (already stated), cheat (n00b or honest mistake, leaning mistake but still sketchy)
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I said LIS was more active, for anyone who is keeping track. I was referring to the fact that when he is present as a villager, he posts a lot of reads, particularly because his early reads are what he says he does best. His posts today were similar in number to times when he is able to post, but different in that I think he only made one comment that involved actual reads on people (maybe 2), and the rest were just...different. It also looked like he edited one of them a couple of times, which may be out of character or may not be (or admittedly, may have just been my phone not picking up the full post the first time it loaded). I understand his meta pattern as it relates to his work schedule.
 
genny said:
I like that Pippy is a talkative player and I don't really want to see her go on day 1.

unlynch kata
lynch cheat
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I agree. Pippy doesn't seem like a good D1 lynch at all at this point, so I wonder about this bandwagon...
 
From my glancing, I am not liking any of the current leaders, but like coopah most. If everyone lynches cheat for doing noob mistakes on day 1/2, she is not going to learn. Not saying she isn't a wolf, just reading her as noob currently, and one that will likely be discouraged from playing soon. Pippy is being herself, she isn't acting Wolfy, and I actually have a solid villager lean on her currently. Coopah I could take or leave, she is in neutral, maybe slight lean.

As day has progressed, I like a genny vote or hmoo vote more then the leaders. Sassy pants can easily be a sign of wolfiness. A few other things didn't sit right with me. Hmoo hasn't made me feel any worse about my original vote.i have mild wolf lean for both
 
PippyPony said:
Oh I agree, but I also think wolves have no problem with putting words in the mouths of dead people. Easier to control the message that way than with the live ones.
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Well, since PMs are scarcer this game, the wolves will have to work a little harder at successfully twisting stuff.

Coopah said:
Nope, I haven't been in the lead since what noon? I've been on and speaking with Pippy but it kinda quickly devolves and I don't really want to be a distraction. Anyway here are my reads:
Village: AM (normal meta IMO), 3m (was just trying to get her talking with the lynch vote), LIS (I know someone said he seems to be more active but that's entirely dependant on how his shifts/busy days are so I find him completely normal)
Neutral: Genny (slight village lean but I haven't seen much), everyone else
Wolfy: Pippy (already stated), cheat (n00b or honest mistake, leaning mistake but still sketchy)
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I don't think discussion among villagers can be considered clutter as long as it adds something. Silly images/jokes may be, but the other only seems helpful.
 
mmmdreamerz said:
I agree. Pippy doesn't seem like a good D1 lynch at all at this point, so I wonder about this bandwagon...
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Have you seen me play as a villager? I am full of terrible ideas. You go along with my random kata lynch, and now this? It's kind of making me go :eyebrow:
Reminds me of a wolf trying to go with the flow. A soft vouch for Pippy if she flips village seems like a good way to earn village cred.
 
Unofficial Lynch Tally:

Pippy (7) - PBC, Coopah, LIS, Lyra, Gwen, cheathac, zensing
PBC (1) - Pippy
cdo () -
3m () -
Gwen (1) - kata
cheat (5) - ny, WTF, cdoconn, hmoo, genny
hmoo (1) - STL
Coop (3) - AM, WZ, snowy
STL (0) -
genny (0) -
kata (1) – 3m

19/19
20 minutes!
 
mmmdreamerz said:
I agree. Pippy doesn't seem like a good D1 lynch at all at this point, so I wonder about this bandwagon...
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FYI, for anyone else who cares about my reasonings for things, I've been sitting on this vote for PBC because -- while I actually liked her explanation last night -- part of her reasoning was that she wanted to get me talking early on. Which I have done (clearly to my own detriment, so oops there) but interestingly her vote has still not moved.

On the bandwagon front, I believe LIS broke the 3-way tie in my direction, and it was after making a comment about how he didn't mind that there was a tie at that point, presumably because of what it does for discussion. So why break it?
 
mmmdreamerz said:
Honestly Zen, this post seems kinda off to me. I just feel like D1 no one really "needs to go." Idk. Made me side eye.
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I can get one-track with feels. If I don't lynch Pippy today and see how she flips, I'll always be worrying about her alignment and spending less time worrying about others. Thus, from my perspective, she needs to go so that I can move on.

Would you accept "strong personal want" instead of need?
 
Zensing said:
I can get one-track with feels. If I don't lynch Pippy today and see how she flips, I'll always be worrying about her alignment and spending less time worrying about others. Thus, from my perspective, she needs to go so that I can move on.

Would you accept "strong personal want" instead of need?
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If you're aware that you can get one-track with feels that end up wrong, then maybe you should re-evaluate that as a policy. :yeahright:
 
SummerTheLynx said:
From my glancing, I am not liking any of the current leaders, but like coopah most. If everyone lynches cheat for doing noob mistakes on day 1/2, she is not going to learn. Not saying she isn't a wolf, just reading her as noob currently, and one that will likely be discouraged from playing soon. Pippy is being herself, she isn't acting Wolfy, and I actually have a solid villager lean on her currently. Coopah I could take or leave, she is in neutral, maybe slight lean.

As day has progressed, I like a genny vote or hmoo vote more then the leaders. Sassy pants can easily be a sign of wolfiness. A few other things didn't sit right with me. Hmoo hasn't made me feel any worse about my original vote.i have mild wolf lean for both
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I really wish people would be interested in hopping on an hmoo vote right about now, but sadly I don't think it's happening.

I also don't want to lynch cheat for the same reasons you listed, but I will switch my vote there if it can keep me alive.
 
I don't like this but

Unlynch PBC
Lynch cheat

I know I'm a villager. I try to contribute a lot, even when it is a dumb idea for me to do so. Please do not lynch me D1.
 
genny said:
Have you seen me play as a villager? I am full of terrible ideas. You go along with my random kata lynch, and now this? It's kind of making me go :eyebrow:
Reminds me of a wolf trying to go with the flow. A soft vouch for Pippy if she flips village seems like a good way to earn village cred.
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I didn't even know you voted kata lol. Idk. Just agreeing?:shrug:
 
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