. WW Sign-Ups & Game Thread

[genny]

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So, you're not sold on me being a wolf but voting for me anyway? Is that what you mean?

No, it means I think you're a wolf, so I'm going to vote for you. But I also know I'm not omnipotent, so I might be wrong.

Your over-interpretation skills are pretty strong this game.

 

[genny]

The game started with 18, went up to 20 with me and DVMD, and had a quick trigger finger mod kill on Gwen, so I consider the game to be modded as if 18-19 players.


This is actually proven to be not the best wolf play. Very few games (my biggest fail of pirates being a major exception) end with a significant number of wolf pack alive at the end. Best bet is usually to hedge your bets on an original, preferably one that can't be seered accurately, and your convert. the other are sacrificial lambs that can and should be sacrificed at appropriate intervals. *insert LIS complaint about how this didn't used to be the case and prevet games have morphed gameplay into this*

We're all assuming this game has converts.
And I don't know that Zen's lynch was the appropriate interval. I suppose if I don't suspect those lynching her, then yes, it was.

 

[Animal Midwife]

No, it means I think you're a wolf, so I'm going to vote for you. But I also know I'm not omnipotent, so I might be wrong.

Your over-interpretation skills are pretty strong this game.

This post makes it sound like you're unsure.

I think we had two wolves up for lynch yesterday. I think AM didn't respond how she usually does to being lynched. Maybe she's been through it too many times, maybe she's a wolf.

Lynch AM

 

[WildZoo]

This is actually proven to be not the best wolf play. Very few games (my biggest fail of pirates being a major exception) end with a significant number of wolf pack alive at the end. Best bet is usually to hedge your bets on an original, preferably one that can't be seered accurately, and your convert. the other are sacrificial lambs that can and should be sacrificed at appropriate intervals. *insert LIS complaint about how this didn't used to be the case and prevet games have morphed gameplay into this*

Eh. I've done pretty well without playing like that.

I more often see wolves waiting to jump in a fellow wolf vote until it seems like that's the direction things are going to go anyway.

 

[genny]

This post makes it sound like you're unsure.

I really don't know where you're going with this. It's bizarre. I have admitted I'm not 100% sure. How can I be unless you're lynched, or Trilt delivers the news from on high, like the angel Gabriel visiting the virgin Mary? Wtf are you getting at? Do you have a point?

 

[LyraGardenia]

Lynch AM

I'm not liking the lack of much defense, or all this pointless arguing with genny over how sure she is or is not.

 

[SummerTheLynx]

Eh. I've done pretty well without playing like that.

I more often see wolves waiting to jump in a fellow wolf vote until it seems like that's the direction things are going to go anyway.

You use the everyone likes you so they won't vote You appRoach. I agree that's how I see wolves do it, just isn't the best wolf approach.

 

[Animal Midwife]

I really don't know where you're going with this. It's bizarre. I have admitted I'm not 100% sure. How can I be unless you're lynched, or Trilt delivers the news from on high, like the angel Gabriel visiting the virgin Mary? Wtf are you getting at? Do you have a point?

I'm just getting really frustrated about getting lynched for no reason every game for actually posting. I'm never given anything to defend against so it ends the same way every time.

 

[WildZoo]

Lynch AM

Gonna be honest, I'm going for the info lynch here. It helps that people are legitimately suspicious of her - I'm not entirely sure how to feel myself.
Still want to know about coop. Still weirding me out.

she pulls this thing where she will sometimes intentionally get in really early on wolf lynches before they kick off

I don't think I actually do that but if you say so

Third, anyone else think the timing of me getting the role update in the middle of a night cycle is weird? Do you think it was a day ability that trilt forgot to give out or a night ability that goes out at time of submission?

Think it would be reasonable for it to be the latter, seen upgrades work like that before.

 

[WildZoo]

You use the everyone likes you so they won't vote You appRoach. I agree that's how I see wolves do it, just isn't the best wolf approach.

Can't argue with results 😉

And in that same vein, wolves win most games around here, largely without bussing each other too hard. Why fix what's not broke?

 

[Animal Midwife]

Unlynch 3m
Lynch cdo

I guess

 

[WildZoo]

I think I'm getting distracted on this gameplay train and I'm not even sure what point was being made, so back to the actual game...

Not sure what to make of STL's claim of death avoidance. I believe he was attacked since no one is disputing it, but I don't want to ignore other possibilities such as him being the protector who protected himself but doesn't want to be outed.

Little odd that this is the first possibility you decided to go with. If this were the case, then he's a villager, so it really doesn't matter if he's not telling the exact truth. Just odd to draw attention to a possibility that isn't even sketchy.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Unofficial Lynch Tally

3m () -
AM (6) - genny, Coop, 3m, cdo, Lyra, WZ
Egg (4) - STL, Hmoo, ny, AM
genny (1) - DVMD

11/14 voting

~5 hours until lynch close

 

[DVMDream]

The AM lynch is just seeming too easy for me...but that could just be me.

 

[DVMDream]

Also doesn't help that all those voting AM I have reasons to be suspicious of them.

So, I'll likely solidly keep my vote on genny

 

[SummerTheLynx]

The AM lynch is just seeming too easy for me...but that could just be me.

Nope, I am definitely against the AM lynch for that reason

 

[WildZoo]

Now that I look at who else is actually voting for AM I am a little uncomfortable but...the info...

 

[WhtsThFrequency]

Now that I look at who else is actually voting for AM I am a little uncomfortable but...the info...

Wait, did I miss something? We have info on AM?

I just got run ragged on the tennis court by my labmate. Need a nap before any attempt to read through this catfighting.

 

[LyraGardenia]

Little odd that this is the first possibility you decided to go with. If this were the case, then he's a villager, so it really doesn't matter if he's not telling the exact truth. Just odd to draw attention to a possibility that isn't even sketchy.

I'm just considering all the possibilities for why the kill might not have gone through last night, kind of thinking out loud there. That was kind of my point that it's seeming more likely STL is a villager, but I've learned to never take anything he says at face value. 😉

 

[LetItSnow]

***lynch genny***

I am in the "AM vote seems too easy" crowd. And I still can't get excited about a cdoconn vote. (Wish it said Cdo or something and not 'Egg' - it took me a bit to figure out who that was.......)

 

[cdo96]

***lynch genny***

I am in the "AM vote seems too easy" crowd. And I still can't get excited about a cdoconn vote. (Wish it said Cdo or something and not 'Egg' - it took me a bit to figure out who that was.......)

Yeeeeah. I try to have them keep it as Cdo for WW, but SkiOtter gets... eggcited.

 

[SkiOtter]

*****
Unofficial Spectatortot Lynch Tally

3m () -
AM (6) - genny, Coop, 3m, cdo, Lyra, WZ
Egg/Cdo (4) - STL, Hmoo, ny, AM
genny (2) - DVMD, LIS

12/14 voting

~3 hours until lynch close

(Wish it said Cdo or something and not 'Egg' - it took me a bit to figure out who that was.......)

(sorry)
*****

 

[LetItSnow]

Yeeeeah. I try to have them keep it as Cdo for WW, but SkiOtter gets... eggcited.

It's not really anybody's fault except my old man brain. There's just so many new people that when the cutesy nicknames start not lining up with the actual name .... I get lost.

 

[PrincessButterCup]

I'm catching up now, will post a vote after reading through.

I guess I forgot that this was Holy Week and I overestimated how much time I'd have. I'm sorry I've been so absent.

 

[WhtsThFrequency]

Wait, did I miss something? We have info on AM?

I just got run ragged on the tennis court by my labmate. Need a nap before any attempt to read through this catfighting.

Ok, Caught up. Never mind, I understand what you meant now.

I still can't shake off feels for AM to be honest...I personally don't think the wagon formed *too* quickly, especially given that multiple people have voiced their concerns for her before (including myself) but I do agree it was slightly quicker than average which gives me some pause. I don't really get the cdo lynch either.

That being said, genny is indeed getting awfully defensive for someone who doesn't even have a lot of votes right now. People weren't even on her that hard a while back when she was quiet, and now it feels like she is coming out swinging because she was called out. Some of the more talkative players do this, but when a quiet one suddenly comes out it smacks a little bit of group encouragement.

Lynch genny

 

[WhtsThFrequency]

I'm catching up now, will post a vote after reading through.

I guess I forgot that this was Holy Week and I overestimated how much time I'd have. I'm sorry I've been so absent.

WW is the one true god, you heathen.

 

[Trilt]

Hour and a half remaining.

 

[SummerTheLynx]

@mmmdreamerz other than a retaliatory vote, can you elaborate on your logic in voting AM?

When was the last time @WildZoo did a breaking eggs lynch?

 

[mmmdreamerz]

@mmmdreamerz other than a retaliatory vote, can you elaborate on your logic in voting AM?

When was the last time @WildZoo did a breaking eggs lynch?

Her logic about calling me out for not breaking the Pippy tie when she herself didn't take it upon herself to break it rubs me the wrong way. It doesn't make and sense. She's definitely playing different than usual. Maybe it's her new village style or maybe she's a wolf. I'm leaning that she's wolf.

 

[PrincessButterCup]

Only caught up through page 12, but I want to post a vote before I cut it too close to deadline.

Seriously?! I cannot single-handedly prevent someone from being lynched when the majority are voting to lynch her. Considering you stayed on Coopah instead of changing your vote and also preventing a tie that's a ridiculous statement. Pot calling kettle black much?! There were 6 people who were voting for people other than Pippy and cheat....

3M is sketch (which isn't revolutionary, since she has been on a lot of people's radar for a while now) but this post stands out more than others. The argument is just so faulty, especially bolded (since how other people were voting is entirely irrelevant to how she voted and responded to lynch) - I feel like she's trying to post a logical, village response but it just doesn't work.

This doesn't make me feel much better about you...

Because 3M said she could get behind an AM lynch, you don't trust her. Okay . . .

Some thoughts based on yesterday...

The whole AM thing last night came off the most sketch to me. Calling me out for not breaking the tie when she was sitting on Coopah and also didn't jump to the tie breaking seems pretty weird to me...

Zen is up there with AM as leaning the most wolfy in my book at the moment...

The way she mentions Zen, but keeps her focus on Zen's lynch rival - could be a wolf trying to gain cred without actually contributing to Zen going down.

I guess I'm just thinking about it from my POV? I know I'm village, so I'm thinking about it like that?

This is poor logic. Villagers are going to vote for other villagers, it happens. I don't think anybody voted for you without good reason.

Unlike, say, that kata lynch. I would have liked to have given kata another day since I've never played with her before and she was at least trying. I'll have to take a look at how those votes stacked up.

3M and Lyra posts: I don't like either logic. If 3M is village everyone who voted for her is sketch? Or from LG, no one is sketch? There could be wolf and villager, or all village votes. We don't know and it's naive to assume either way.

1. STL almost seemed to be trying too hard at being "confused" if he was playing or not on day 1. He also posted mostly nonsense/fluff for that first day or two, since then his actual game content posts has increased.

I like these thoughts.

Thought it would make people think, especially if I didn't post a reason. She has just seemed a little off to me. I was hoping WZ would speak up more today, and she has. So probably going to vote elsewhere once I think about it a bit.

So bizarre, and really makes me like Genny for lynch.

Don't make us do your thinking for you 😛.

Zen's response is so friendly - it makes me like Genny lynch even more, if that makes sense.

Um, are you actually serious on this? Do you not see how stupid this post sounds? That's like calling out a player that was dead on day 3 but revived in day 4 for posting about things they felt were off on day 3.

Ok, so you're allowed to call out people for inactivity, but not me? Got it. 😉

So I went back and counted the number of posts made by everyone on days 1 and 2 because I am ridiculously stubborn and don't have enough to do with my time right now. I present to you probably useless data that DVMD will just dismiss anyway:
# Posts Day 1:
PBC - 4
Pippy - 65
Cheat - 6
STL - 12
CDO - 7
Coop - 21
Snowy - 15
WZ - 5
Kata - 1
LIS - 3
Lyra - 4
3M - 10
Zen - 12
AM - 10
genny - 9
WTF - 7
ny - 6
hmoo - 6
LIS - 11
gwen - 1

# Posts day 2:
STL - 12
snowy - 14
ny - 4
hmoo - 11
LIS - 7
AM - 12
Zen - 7
WZ - 7
WTF - 5
cdo - 4
genny - 10
coop - 3
DVMD - 1
Lyra - 5
kata - 1
PBC - 10
3M - 19
kata - 5
gwen - 0

The 3 above -more Genny sketch. Posting numbers looks helpful (sort of) but isn't, really, since content is more important than simple numbers. Numbers don't actually tell you a whole lot about how someone is playing, unless you compare it to numbers from another game, which isn't what this is, so . . .

I appreciate Zen's explanations for her questioning of 3m and Pippy, but agree her play seems weirdly aggressive. I'm not super familiar with her play style, but I went back and skimmed her posts from the immuno game since it looks like that was the last time she was a villager, and she seemed much more laid-back there.

Lynch Zen for now, although STL and WZ are still sketching me out. I'm not feeling the AM lynch, but she's one of those people that's always hard to read for me.

Her thoughts about Zen make me like her for lynch, as well.

I am playing for real

Just because DVMD didn't find my post count informative, doesn't mean I didn't gain anything from re-reading everyone's posts.

But that's not what you posted, you just posted a giant number-barf that didn't say anything about content?

Lynch Genny

 

[PrincessButterCup]

Ha, I started that post 20 minutes ago and only barely posted before deadline. Go me.

 

[Trilt]

************

Ha, I started that post 20 minutes ago and only barely posted before deadline. Go me.

You have an hour. 😛

 

[PrincessButterCup]

************

You have an hour. 😛

I know time zones. I totally do. 🙄

 

[genny]

Y'all are so wrong on me. Pretty sure I'd be more careful to be on the right side of lynches as a wolf, and that I wouldn't draw attention to myself by waffling close to lynch close like I have the past two days. Just because I'm wrong about who I vote for doesn't make me a wolf. If anything, it's a village idiot trait.

 

[Coopah]

Y'all are so wrong on me. Pretty sure I'd be more careful to be on the right side of lynches as a wolf, and that I wouldn't draw attention to myself by waffling close to lynch close like I have the past two days. Just because I'm wrong about who I vote for doesn't make me a wolf. If anything, it's a village idiot trait.

I dislike this logic. I don't believe any arguments that start with if I were a wolf. They are always faulty. I've had my suspicions of you and this raises them higher. Personally I'm suspicious of AM as well but you just tipped over.

Unlynch AM lynch genny

 

[genny]

I dislike this logic. I don't believe any arguments that start with if I were a wolf. They are always faulty. I've had my suspicions of you and this raises them higher. Personally I'm suspicious of AM as well but you just tipped over.

Unlynch AM lynch genny

Ok, I'll rephrase: my meta game shows I play way better than this crap as a wolf because I'm a lot more careful. I don't really care if you believe me. If you want to catch a wolf, you'll probably have better luck with your AM lynch.

 

[genny]

That being said, genny is indeed getting awfully defensive for someone who doesn't even have a lot of votes right now. People weren't even on her that hard a while back when she was quiet, and now it feels like she is coming out swinging because she was called out. Some of the more talkative players do this, but when a quiet one suddenly comes out it smacks a little bit of group encouragement.

Lynch genny

This isn't specifically directed at WTF. I'm just going to say that this really cheeses me off. People complain when players are too quiet, then when they get lynched and try to defend themselves, they're overly defensive. It's a catch-22. Sorry you all think my normal play is wolfy. I don't understand why I get read this way every single game.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Ok, I'll rephrase: my meta game shows I play way better than this crap as a wolf because I'm a lot more careful. I don't really care if you believe me. If you want to catch a wolf, you'll probably have better luck with your AM lynch.

Your? You are on it too.

 

[hazelmoo]

I could go with cdo or genny. I'd rather go with genny than AM, but cdo is my top choice... anyone have a tally?

 

[genny]

Your? You are on it too.

 

[SummerTheLynx]

I could go with cdo or genny. I'd rather go with genny than AM, but cdo is my top choice... anyone have a tally?

It's 5 for AM, 4 for cdo, 5 for genny.

 

[Animal Midwife]

This isn't specifically directed at WTF. I'm just going to say that this really cheeses me off. People complain when players are too quiet, then when they get lynched and try to defend themselves, they're overly defensive. It's a catch-22. Sorry you all think my normal play is wolfy. I don't understand why I get read this way every single game.

Yeah. That sure would be a terrible complaint, wouldn't it? 🙂

 

[genny]

Your? You are on it too.

What crack are you smoking?
Coop voted to unlynch you, hence my use of the word "your" when talking to Coop about lynching.

 

[genny]

Yeah. That sure would be a terrible complaint, wouldn't it? 🙂

🙄 You're being argumentative and bizarre, not more talkative. I have yet to hear any form of defense from you.

 

[PrincessButterCup]

Not sure what to make of STL's claim of death avoidance. I believe he was attacked since no one is disputing it, but I don't want to ignore other possibilities such as him being the protector who protected himself but doesn't want to be outed. I doubt conversion would occur this early unless we only had 3 original wolves, but that would seem awfully imbalanced to me. I'll be interested to see if the wolves try again to kill him, or if they'll keep him alive to mess with our heads.

Little odd that this is the first possibility you decided to go with. If this were the case, then he's a villager, so it really doesn't matter if he's not telling the exact truth. Just odd to draw attention to a possibility that isn't even sketchy.

I agree with WZ - Lyra's post is weird. If you think it's possibly STL has a power role, why are you "thinking out loud" about it?? That's not a smart village move. Lyra's reply to WZ (below) does nothing to make me feel better about her. She tries to play it off as helpful - thinking through every possibility - and then turns it around to a joke about not ever trusting STL completely, which doesn't really explain her logic in a satisfactory village way.

I'm just considering all the possibilities for why the kill might not have gone through last night, kind of thinking out loud there. That was kind of my point that it's seeming more likely STL is a villager, but I've learned to never take anything he says at face value. 😉

When I've been a wolf, I think wolves have avoided voting for other wolves unless necessary. So those tend to be my first thoughts when looking for wolves as a villager. I think it's very unusual and a fairly bold move to just decide to lynch one of your own. I think most wolves would prefer to keep their numbers up if possible.

If a wolf is going to vote for a fellow wolf, it's smart to do it before it turns into a bandwagon. When we examine a wolf lynch, we tend to soft clear early votes/people who were strongly supporting that lynch, and look more closely as the people who jumped on later. Avoiding voting for other wolves entirely (especially if there's convincing arguments for them) can also be very sketch. This argument doesn't work for me.

I don't think I actually do that but if you say so

I'm 90% certain I've seen WZ advocate for voting for fellow wolves early in their lynches. In the noob game, I think that's the advice she was giving to the noob pack, but I'd have to go reread to be entirely sure it was her and not someone else. This comment seems suspicious to me.

All caught up! Conclusions: I still like my Genny vote, but could easily switch to LG if others swing that way. I understand that seeing how AM flips can help with other analyses, but I'm not reading her as strongly wolfy as Genny or Lyra so I'm keeping my vote where it is.

 

[genny]

I could go with cdo or genny. I'd rather go with genny than AM, but cdo is my top choice... anyone have a tally?

I'd rather go with CDO than me 😀

 

[JaynaAli]

Semi-official lynch tally

3m () -
AM (5) - genny, 3m, cdo, Lyra, WZ
Egg/Cdo (4) - STL, Hmoo, ny, AM
genny (5) - DVMD, LIS, WTF, PBC, coop

14/14 voting

A TIE.
Approximately 30 minutes until lynch close!

 

[genny]

If a wolf is going to vote for a fellow wolf, it's smart to do it before it turns into a bandwagon. When we examine a wolf lynch, we tend to soft clear early votes/people who were strongly supporting that lynch, and look more closely as the people who jumped on later. Avoiding voting for other wolves entirely (especially if there's convincing arguments for them) can also be very sketch. This argument doesn't work for me.

If you're going to be pedantic, try not to do it while voting for a villager, okay?

 

[cdo96]

I'd rather go with CDO than me 😀

oddly enough, I'd rather go with Genny than me!

 

[SummerTheLynx]

I agree with WZ - Lyra's post is weird. If you think it's possibly STL has a power role, why are you "thinking out loud" about it?? That's not a smart village move. Lyra's reply to WZ (below) does nothing to make me feel better about her. She tries to play it off as helpful - thinking through every possibility - and then turns it around to a joke about not ever trusting STL completely, which doesn't really explain her logic in a satisfactory village way.





If a wolf is going to vote for a fellow wolf, it's smart to do it before it turns into a bandwagon. When we examine a wolf lynch, we tend to soft clear early votes/people who were strongly supporting that lynch, and look more closely as the people who jumped on later. Avoiding voting for other wolves entirely (especially if there's convincing arguments for them) can also be very sketch. This argument doesn't work for me.



I'm 90% certain I've seen WZ advocate for voting for fellow wolves early in their lynches. In the noob game, I think that's the advice she was giving to the noob pack, but I'd have to go reread to be entirely sure it was her and not someone else. This comment seems suspicious to me.

All caught up! Conclusions: I still like my Genny vote, but could easily switch to LG if others swing that way. I understand that seeing how AM flips can help with other analyses, but I'm not reading her as strongly wolfy as Genny or Lyra so I'm keeping my vote where it is.

100% agreed on LG being sketch, she is on my list for tomorrow. It's a bit late in the lynch to switch to another candidate. Overall like your analysis, and am happy with genny or cdo, but am leaning cdo