You’re exaggerating how ‘rigorous’ a PharmD program really is. For a doctoral degree it is nowhere near as rigorous compared to an MD.
Clinical pharmacists, not PBMs, are the real middlemen here.
No comment? Many people aren't thinking about how much debt they graduate with. Then they just Google pharmacist salary which still says 120k even though that is no longer the reality for many new grads.
If I hated my job I would be embracing my reduced hours. The current P4s I work with who still don't have any job offers should be ecstatic right? I wonder what their deal is? BTW one of them is even applying to places Alaska lol.
I do love the profession and I am planning on working in rural areas or joining the Public Health Service because I believe pharmacist are needed in those areas. I also feel as though with all the stuff we learn in pharm school the scope of our practice needs to be increased. Some folks not have any other choice but to take that salary and those areas if we are accounting for supply and demand. If you want to work in a large metropolitan area than you have to take the good with the bad.
And that’s why we prepharms hold so much contempt for y’all. A lot of us are not in your same circumstances. A lot of already did our research before getting into this career. Some of us don’t have undergrad loans to pay off and don’t mind going to a rural area because we actually like the career.
Yes the Navy still does have programs like that but for me I figured it would be easier to separate and then use my Post 911 gi bill. Like I said above I had to do a lot of self reflection to see what career I wanted to pursue, medicine ,dentistry, or pharmacy ( I was a hospital Corpsman).
When I was in school, some of the stuff they are spouting was true. But much like the Dodo the rainbows and unicorns have all gone extinct. Sadly the schools only wrote one sermon for the wide eyed applicants back then and they are still using the same lines today. They just aren't true anymore....
If your tuition is paid for then the return of investment for you may be worth it, but for most people who take out +$150k loans it's not. The six figure salary is quickly becoming a thing of the past. Your 4 year doctorate degree +/- 2 years residency will soon only earn you as much as someone with only a master's or even bachelors and that's if you're lucky to land a job. Most people aren't realizing that and I get called a troll for telling them anecdotes about how this is already happening. Also I think that planning to work in a rural area because "you'll find a job as long as you're willing to move" is a misconception. When we're getting like 14,500 new PharmDs EVERY year, trust me, those rural areas are well taken care of. I work in a smaller city (~20k population) and I know we aren't hiring. In fact Shopko closed all their pharmacies nationwide including the one in town here, so we actually have more pharmacists than we have jobs for here.
There is more to pharmacy than retail. Retail isn’t growing but hospital positions and other areas in pharmacy are expanding.
My school surveys P4’s about their job/employment/residency status the month before they graduate and if you don’t respond then by default they set your employment status as “retail.” There obviously is a huge nonresponse bias here because those who didn’t match and/or don’t have jobs do not want their classmates to know, so they won’t respond to the survey. I would say about 20% of my graduating class had no job or postgrad training lined up so the ultimate “postgraduate plans” published and presented at graduation were NOT reflective of the true number of employed grads. So to an outsider I can see why one can look at a survey like this and say “gee, looks like these schools have 98-100% employment rates. The market must not be bad at all. Forget these naysayers on SDN.”
So your school blatantly lies? This is why I believe most of you are trolls because every time someone has a response on the job market y’all come back with these outlandish anecdotes.
I don’t mind traveling to another state for a job. The survey didnt count residency as a job, residency had its own section. Most of the graduating class last year are employed or did a residency. The statistics aren’t showing the doom y’all are putting out. I didn’t go into pharmacy thinking I was going to have a job in a major metropolitan area. I’m single no family willing to travel.
I’m here to get info about my school yet these doom and gloom I hate being a pharmacist members keep spamming and detailing threads that have absolutely zest to due with the job market.
Yes I’m matriculating in the fall and I’m already part of the Facebook group, but I think the smart thing y’all could do is not continuously say the same thing over and over expecting different results. Going into threads basically harrassing posters about the job market.
I wouldn’t call it blatantly lying so much as it is being extremely vague and misleading. And the reason why everyone will know what others are up to is because they send out a proof of the program at graduation for the whole class to double check whether their information is accurate...
Well my cost of attendance is not that high at my school and secondly I’ll be graduating without student loans (Veteran). But thanks for the concern.
My school is not doing interviews application cycle ended in February. I was the last interview group, and for the millionth time I don’t mind moving. I’m not even originally from Texas. My school hasn’t directly mentioned job openings. I’m looking at their statistics and I see that the unemployment/ not answer section is low.
No a lot of them aren’t. Stop with the hyperboles, you will find a job if you put in the effort. You trying to tell me there are absolutely ZERO jobs out there??
Oh I have no doubt there is a saturation problem. I just think some areas are better than others, and I think y’all are exaggerating like crazy!!
Lmao you were quoting someone else. That is not PCAT score. My PCAT score was 75 which was about average for UHCOP.
I lurked this forum for a few months before I started posting. Reason being that the analyses and insights from the “doom and gloom” posters are spot on and validated my independent thoughts about this profession prior to discovering SDN. Now, are the commentaries colorful sometimes? Sure. But how thick the sarcasm is is reflective of how terrible the job market is.
This isn’t something I read. That was from a working pharmacist in Oregon. The west isn’t as saturated as the south and the north east. (Newly graduated pharmacist)
Not naive at all. I just don’t automatically believe what online strangers say without doing my own research. This article was written by a pharmacist and it seems to hold a balanced view on the saturation.
www.pharmacyschoolhq.org
I think I noticed your screen name on Reddit. You really do this all day everyday?
LOL the author of that article is Alex Barker, master con artist and the very definition of a scam artist. He started his own company “The Happy PharmD” which is all about being a career coach for unemployed pharmacists and helping them get jobs. The whole premise of how he makes money is to convince pharmacists to not give up hope in this saturated market while extracting easy money from them because when you’re desperate for any job you’re going to start turning to CV/coaching services. He obviously is going to address the saturation head on to add “realism” and “credibility” to his name but spin it in such a way to always keep things positive. If you think about it, he is actually MORE DANGEROUS than faculty of pharmacy schools who spew BS because he 1. Isn’t even a practicing pharmacist, and 2. Preys on the desperate while faculty only prey on the uninformed.Not naive at all. I just don’t automatically believe what online strangers say without doing my own research. This article was written by a pharmacist and it seems to hold a balanced view on the saturation.
Pharmacy School bubble will burst - Pharmacy School HQ
Meet Mallory. She’s aspiring to become a pharmacist. She was recently accepted into the East Gatton College of Pharmacy. Unlike many college students, she knew since high school that she wished to become a pharmacist. However, like her fellow classmates, she’s concerned about her future career...
They explain how unethical it is to keep opening up schools and questions the validity of a looming shortage in 2022. However, this article specifically advises students with a passion for pharmacy to ignore overly emotional disgruntled pharmacist on sdn. Yes the author specifically called you guys out (sdn pharmacist) as being extremely negative.
So yes I take what I read on here with a grain of salt. One of my many options is to go into the Public Health Service. As a prior service member I have a lot of options opened to me. I did my homework, and I happen to love pharmacy.
He describes himself as a full time pharmacist and it seems he is giving advise on pharmacist that are burned out and want to get out of retail because they feel unfulfilled not unemployed pharmacist. There seems to be a lot of miserable but employed pharmacist.
