Kansas City University (KCUMB-COM) Discussion Thread 2013 - 2014

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I was told that KCUMB would be going away from mandatory lectures and a strict dress code in another thread. Does anyone have any info on that? I already paid my matriculation fee, but on the due date for the matriculation fee (March 17th), I received an acceptance from Western where I live not too far from and am strongly considering that school as well.

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I was told that KCUMB would be going away from mandatory lectures and a strict dress code in another thread. Does anyone have any info on that? I already paid my matriculation fee, but on the due date for the matriculation fee (March 17th), I received an acceptance from Western where I live not too far from and am strongly considering that school as well.

Current student here. There is no dress code anymore. But the sign in's are still here and won't be going anywhere. There is one per day or 2 if we have an OCS lecture.
 
Third Year KCUMB student here. I just thought I would let you all know somethings about KCUMB changing before you matriculate.

- If you do not get above a 70% on any exam, you go before an Honors council that will decided whether you get to continue your medical education. There is no rhyme or reason to the council, they simply decide whether you are out 42k in tuition. In example, we have a 15 point Pathology Picture exam over finals week. The exam is over probably 500 pictures, of which 15 will be selected. If you were to get a bad draw and miss 4 you could find yourself no longer in school.
- The new altered curriculum is not based on improving board scores, but on removing the bad one's. They have identified students how preform poorly on the Step 1 Board Exams as students that either remediate multiple sections, or barely pass sections consistently. These students are deemed STAR (Students At Risk) and are the MOST likely to get expelled if given the opportunity to go before the Honors council.
- On your third year rotations, you are required to take a Shelf Exam. The shelf exam is a practice exam that you receive no grade for, but is only used to better prepare yourself for the Step 2 Board Exam. I should say, you get a grade, but it isn't recorded in your GPA. If you fail ANY shelf exam, you must retake the ENTIRE rotation in place of one of your audition rotations. For example, you are on surgery rotation. You spend 13 hours a day at the hospital. You spend another 8 sleeping. You choose to not spend your remaining 3 studying. You do not pass the Shelf Exam, but receive high marks from your preceptors. You MUST re-take the surgery rotation, in place of a 4th year audition rotation. This is HUGE. You basically lose a job interview.
- Many of the faculty are being replaced for cheaper alternatives i.e. we receive lectures from Adjunct/Assistant Faculty members rather than full time professors. This might not seem like a big deal, but the difference in education you receive will be apparent once you get here. There are good teachers, who cost more, and bad teachers, who cost less. As time goes on, there are more bad teachers because of how inexpensive they are. Moreover, faculty members literally disappear. Our last president sent an e-mail to the student body that he resigned and had moved to Florida, before even the administration knew of it. We've had other professors/deans simply not come back from Christmas vacation. We've had faculty get fired that were so beloved that students lined the hallways in his support as he was escorted off campus. All students are also required to use the Kaplan Step 1 Board program, which close to zero students in either the 2016 or 2017 class use. You have no choice in the matter, unless you want to shell out another 1k for options.
- The new curriculum that is to be taken into effect next year has not been proven to work anywhere, but Rocky Mountain Vista, where it took a school with bad Board scores up to a school with average board scores. The curriculum we had in place had successfully provided KCUMB one of the top 3 osteopathic Board scores. Moreover, we are one of the few DO schools that has far more students go into specialized medicine (about 70%) than general/family med. You are going to be Guinea pigs for a new curriculum, when the one in place (which is effective) is being replaced.

I've loved my experience and hope you do too, but there are a number of changes that it's worth knowing about before you get here.

Current 2nd year here again. Please disregard this post. A majority of it concerning the curriculum is not true.
 
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I understand you have to at tend 80% of the lectures but how strictly is it enforced? Aside from the sign-up sheet, is attendance enforced by clicker questions, pop quizzes, etc?

You are allowed to miss 10% off the sign in's, not the lectures. Doesn't matter how many lectures in one day, there will only be one sign in (unless there is an OCS class which has a separate sign in). And it is strictly enforced. But they will contact you when you get close to the max. And no, there is no other way aside from the sign in sheet.
 
Last year they didn't release our match results until sometime in the summer if I remember correctly. I'm interested too.
 
How was accepted students day? Was there anything important they talked about?

I enjoyed it, but I think there was a lot of stuff that was either repeated from the interview day or was stuff I already knew from general research. However, there was a good hunk of information that I thought was extremely informative, especially when Dr. Dubin (the new dean) spoke. Of everything we heard these were the major highlights for me:

1. The core curriculum is changing, kind of. It will still be completely systems based, but instead of covering some systems in year 1 and finishing the rest in year 2, we will be covering every system in both years. Year 1 will cover all the systems with heavy emphasis on the anatomy/physiology of each system. Year 2 will then cover all of the systems again, in a different order, and will focus on pathologies that occur in the systems. This will allow students to better understand how systems interact with each other and how various pathologies, drugs, etc. can affect multiple systems. The way he described it was that the new curriculum will fix the biggest flaw of the systems based approach. So the core curriculum sounds like it will actually be even better than it already is.

2. There will be 2 new tracks available for our class, a global health track and a military medicine track. The milmed track will benefit those students pursuing the HPSP or just careers in the military in general. The global medicine track is an honors program designed for students who want to become involved with Doctors Without Borders or other international organizations. They said this track would focus on working with people of other cultures and identifying medical needs within those societies. We will have to apply to a track if interested sometime towards the middle/end of our first semester and will have to be in the top 1/3 of the class to be considered for the global med track. Personally, I'm incredibly excited about the global medicine track, so you all will have to forgive me if I come across as a gunner for the first few weeks...

3. New facilities! Most of us know they are doing construction on the auditorium and adding 2 big classrooms to the building. What we just learned Fridays is that they are building a new 30,000 sq ft simulation lab which they will start construction on during the summer of 2015. Our lab will be the second facility in the country to have a new type of 'cut' dummy which we will actually be able to practice surgeries on. Supposedly this is the closest thing any student can get to performing an actual surgery without using a living human as the subject as the dummies are meant to be cut with a scalpel, bleed, react to mistakes, and are anatomically accurate. Dr. Dubin also said that Harvard and Yale med have purchased these dummies and will be integrating them into their curriculum as well. The catch is that he never said when the facility would be finished, only that we would still be here to see it. He hinted that we may get to use it to practice during our third or fourth years (class of 2018), but that is obviously dependent on when the construction is completed.

4. Score 2. Apparently this will basically be the same thing as the Score 1 program, but instead of working with kids it will focus on giving medical care to geriatric patients.

5. Though it will not be required for our class, future classes will be required to take both DO and MD boards (COMLEX and USMLE). Even though Dr. Dubin said our class would not be required to take the USMLE, he said that he is going to strongly recommend that we all take them both. He said this is because by 2020 all DOs and MDs will be accredited by the same institution and many residencies now want to see both sets of board scores (even osteopathic residencies). Side note: apparently this means that in the future MDs will be required to have some knowledge of OMM, which I thought was interesting and somewhat ironic...

6. They are not adding any new core rotation sites in the next 5 years. I know I was kind of hoping they would consider adding a site in the northern IL area, but they were very adamant in this point. They said that in the next few years they are going to be focusing on improving their current rotation sites and increasing the amount of resources available to our students at those sites. I'm not sure what 'resources' they will be adding or how the current sites will be improved, but the bottom line is that they will not add or remove any rotation sites while we will be attending.

7. Dr. Dubin stated that "it is very likely that we will be doing away with mandatory attendance in the near future". He said that lectures are not only a terrible way for most people to learn material, but that there was no reason a student should have to go to a lecture where a professor reads off a powerpoint when the student can just study it on their own or download the lecture and watch it at 2x the speed. He said that since technology has led us to the point where we have access to almost any information we could need, there's no need to attend a session that will just be "lecture karaoke". That being said, he wants future lectures to focus less on the actual material and focus more on letting us know what material is actually relevant. He also hopes to incorporate more of the type of questions we will encounter on board exams into the actual lectures so we will have a better chance to dominate our boards.


I know there were a lot of other things that were discussed, but these were the major things that I took away from the event. Overall, almost everything I heard was positive and I'm more excited than ever to get down to KC next semester. I hope this was helpful to all those that didn't make it to the event and that it answers some of the questions about the school that were brought up in previous posts.
 
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I enjoyed it, but I think there was a lot of stuff that was either repeated from the interview day or was stuff I already knew from general research. However, there was a good hunk of information that I thought was extremely informative, especially when Dr. Dubin (the new dean) spoke. Of everything we heard these were the major highlights for me:

1. The core curriculum is changing, kind of. It will still be completely systems based, but instead of covering some systems in year 1 and finishing the rest in year 2, we will be covering every system in both years. Year 1 will cover all the systems with heavy emphasis on the anatomy/physiology of each system. Year 2 will then cover all of the systems again, in a different order, and will focus on pathologies that occur in the systems. This will allow students to better understand how systems interact with each other and how various pathologies, drugs, etc. can affect multiple systems. The way he described it was that the new curriculum will fix the biggest flaw of the systems based approach. So the core curriculum sounds like it will actually be even better than it already is.

2. There will be 2 new tracks available for our class, a global health track and a military medicine track. The milmed track will benefit those students pursuing the HPSP or just careers in the military in general. The global medicine track is an honors program designed for students who want to become involved with Doctors Without Borders or other international organizations. They said this track would focus on working with people of other cultures and identifying medical needs within those societies. We will have to apply to a track if interested sometime towards the middle/end of our first semester and will have to be in the top 1/3 of the class to be considered for the global med track. Personally, I'm incredibly excited about the global medicine track, so you all will have to forgive me if I come across as a gunner for the first few weeks...

3. New facilities! Most of us know they are doing construction on the auditorium and adding 2 big classrooms to the building. What we just learned Fridays is that they are building a new 30,000 sq ft simulation lab which they will start construction on during the summer of 2015. Our lab will be the second facility in the country to have a new type of 'cut' dummy which we will actually be able to practice surgeries on. Supposedly this is the closest thing any student can get to performing an actual surgery without using a living human as the subject as the dummies are meant to be cut with a scalpel, bleed, react to mistakes, and are anatomically accurate. Dr. Dubin also said that Harvard and Yale med have purchased these dummies and will be integrating them into their curriculum as well. The catch is that he never said when the facility would be finished, only that we would still be here to see it. He hinted that we may get to use it to practice during our third or fourth years (class of 2018), but that is obviously dependent on when the construction is completed.

4. Score 2. Apparently this will basically be the same thing as the Score 1 program, but instead of working with kids it will focus on giving medical care to geriatric patients.

5. Though it will not be required for our class, future classes will be required to take both DO and MD boards (COMLEX and USMLE). Even though Dr. Dubin said our class would not be required to take the USMLE, he said that he is going to strongly recommend that we all take them both. He said this is because by 2020 all DOs and MDs will be accredited by the same institution and many residencies now want to see both sets of board scores (even osteopathic residencies). Side note: apparently this means that in the future MDs will be required to have some knowledge of OMM, which I thought was interesting and somewhat ironic...

6. They are not adding any new core rotation sites in the next 5 years. I know I was kind of hoping they would consider adding a site in the northern IL area, but they were very adamant in this point. They said that in the next few years they are going to be focusing on improving their current rotation sites and increasing the amount of resources available to our students at those sites. I'm not sure what 'resources' they will be adding or how the current sites will be improved, but the bottom line is that they will not add or remove any rotation sites while we will be attending.

7. Dr. Dubin stated that "it is very likely that we will be doing away with mandatory attendance in the near future". He said that lectures are not only a terrible way for most people to learn material, but that there was no reason a student should have to go to a lecture where a professor reads off a powerpoint when the student can just study it on their own or download the lecture and watch it at 2x the speed. He said that since technology has led us to the point where we have access to almost any information we could need, there's no need to attend a session that will just be "lecture karaoke". That being said, he wants future lectures to focus less on the actual material and focus more on letting us know what material is actually relevant. He also hopes to incorporate more of the type of questions we will encounter on board exams into the actual lectures so we will have a better chance to dominate our boards.


I know there were a lot of other things that were discussed, but these were the major things that I took away from the event. Overall, almost everything I heard was positive and I'm more excited than ever to get down to KC next semester. I hope this was helpful to all those that didn't make it to the event and that it answers some of the questions about the school that were brought up in previous posts.

Great post, lots of exciting stuff. Thanks for the recap! Only four months away!
 
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I know this is going to be taken the wrong way......but it all honesty I want to make sure I'm not missing something that is required.

Is there a drug test we're going to need to take before matriculation?
 
I know this is going to be taken the wrong way......but it all honesty I want to make sure I'm not missing something that is required.

Is there a drug test we're going to need to take before matriculation?

That's a valid question. I don't see anything in the matriculation papers about a drug test.
 
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Anyone know if there is usually quite a bit of wait list movement?
 
Anyone having a hard time reaching the office today/last week?
 
Ugh....I just want it to be August!!!!!
 
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Does anyone have big plans for the summer? I, have been out of UG for two years, and have had a full time job at a pharma company for all of that time. I cannot WAIT to take a few months off. Hopefully travel for a couple weeks seeing family and enjoying the outdoors
 
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Is there a drug test we're going to need to take before matriculation?

There was never drug testing in the past that I am aware of, but looking at the DO school handbook it looks like more and more schools are beginning to test prior to matriculation. Dr. Dubin (the new dean) came from Rocky Vista, a school that drug tests. I wouldn't be surprised if we are drug tested. I would imagine this would occur during orientation or at the beginning of school, so plan accordingly and be smart.

Anyone know if there is usually quite a bit of wait list movement?
There is already some movement on the wait list right now. I think all the interview days are done, and I believe the class is full. They waaaay over accept, so if they get 250 people to pay the matriculation deposits due in may, I would imagine the wait list would be pretty much done. There were a few people last summer that were accepted in July. But who really knows.

Does anyone have big plans for the summer? I, have been out of UG for two years, and have had a full time job at a pharma company for all of that time. I cannot WAIT to take a few months off. Hopefully travel for a couple weeks seeing family and enjoying the outdoors
I'm working full time in an office sitting in front 0f a computer all day. It's pretty miserable. The money is good, but I'm going insane. Most likely I'm going to work through May, possibly June and then take the rest of the summer off to go travel. I'm not exactly sure what I am going to do. Maybe go on a med mission trip? Not really sure how to get involved in one of these. I know there are a lot of organizations but I would have to do some research. I might just go explore Europe for a few weeks and see how that goes.
 
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How did you guys turn in your COM Matriculation Form Packet?

Do I have to mail in the original copy or can I scan and email it?
 
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There is already some movement on the wait list right now. I think all the interview days are done, and I believe the class is full. They waaaay over accept, so if they get 250 people to pay the matriculation deposits due in may, I would imagine the wait list would be pretty much done. There were a few people last summer that were accepted in July. But who really knows.
Nooooo!! Say it ain't true Vagus lol. How do you find out these things?! Do they inform through telephone or mail?
 
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Nooooo!! Say it ain't true Vagus lol. How do you find out these things?! Do they inform through telephone or mail?
We have an accepted student facebook group and periodically over the last week or so new people are introducing themselves. Someone mentioned the other day they were pulled from the wait list. I have no idea how they inform people about possible open seats. I know how the wait list worked last summer because I did the masters program, and some of my friends were pulled in July. I wouldn't freak out too much. The closer to the deadline to pay the fees, the more people drop. It's still pretty early (some people dont decide on a school until may/june). If I had to guess, there will be some more seats that open up. Don't give up.
 
2 years ago I was pulled off the wait-list late March. It all depends on how long it takes people to get back declining KCUMB. They always accept way more than they have room for because some will always not accept their invite.
 
We have an accepted student facebook group and periodically over the last week or so new people are introducing themselves. Someone mentioned the other day they were pulled from the wait list. I have no idea how they inform people about possible open seats. I know how the wait list worked last summer because I did the masters program, and some of my friends were pulled in July. I wouldn't freak out too much. The closer to the deadline to pay the fees, the more people drop. It's still pretty early (some people dont decide on a school until may/june). If I had to guess, there will be some more seats that open up. Don't give up.
Thanks, I hope you're right.
2 years ago I was pulled off the wait-list late March. It all depends on how long it takes people to get back declining KCUMB. They always accept way more than they have room for because some will always not accept their invite.
Nice. How long did you have to wait and how did they inform you?
 
I was accepted in November, and a friend mine in January. We had different acceptance fee dates, but both of our matriculation fee deadlines were March 17. I'm not sure when the next one is, but everyone that was accepted early January or before has paid the $2,000 in fees... I'm going to assume almost all of us will be attending at this point. Not sure when the deadline is for late Jan and on acceptances, but that kind of makes me think the majority of spots are taken.
 
So I haven't filled out KCUMBs financial aid forms yet, but I did do my FAFSA...right now it says $20,000 for Stafford loans. I take it they need my forms filled out for KCUMB before that goes up...?
 
I spoke with someone in the financial aid office. She said you wouldn't need to put the stafford loan amt on the KCUMB financial aid form, because they would be able to see that through your FAFSA. I had that question as well, since I don't have any health professional/primary care/private loans at all. I just put 0 for all of them.

He's asking why the FAFSA says $20,000 for stafford loans instead of the total COA.

Did you get a higher amount after you filled out the financial aid form?
 
He's asking why the FAFSA says $20,000 for stafford loans instead of the total COA.

Did you get a higher amount after you filled out the financial aid form?

Yes, the amount that is listed on the FAFSA website when you fill it out is not what you will actually be awarded. Once you fill out the KCUMB form and the financial aid office reviews it, you will be able to see what amount you are actually eligible to take, which should be the full COA or close to it.
 
4th yr butting in.

So apparently some new cocksmoker took over the school and is changing the entire place to become his little empire in the ghetto. Sad state of affairs when the most legit med school around turns to what it looks like now. Instead of a school with a bunch of badass students who made boards their biatches, ran KC till 3am every weekend, and somehow maintained 6 packs year round...you now have a bunch of immature socially awkward asians/indians that spend more time in the library than their own apt. Last I checked doctors need to know how to talk to people
 
Did you two get on just to insult the school/make racist comments?
 
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Is everyone else seeing the new tuition in their netpartner?

$42,880.00
$43,723.00 (+$843)

Good Luck guys. Seriously. If you came to KCUMB for the curriculum, it won't be here by the time you get here. They are bringing in curriculum coordinators from Rocky Vista (where our new Dean is from) to run our new curriculum. I'm sure there are many more changes to come besides the tuition hike and new curriculum. On the plus side, you all get Kaplan Board prep included in your tuition.

EDIT: Just saw this is old news to this forum.
 
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http://www.rockyvistauniversity.org/PDFs/RVUCatalog_2013-2014_sm.pdf

Here is a link to Rocky Vista student handbook which includes a description of the curriculum. This should give us a pretty good idea of what the new curriculum will look like. Also, it looks just like what Dr. Dubin described at Accept Day. I like how the new curriculum is structured and Dr. Dubin has a great track record so I am excited about the change.
 
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As far as I've heard, the genesis curriculum is staying right? I'm not sure what else could change that drastically...
 
It's going to be systems based but instead of splitting the systems up between two years, we will see all systems both years. I guess they are getting rid of pathology lab and changing it to something else.

Majority of faculty and staff do not like Dr. Dubin. I'm not a fan of being a test subject for new curriculum. Especially since KCUMB has a history of very high board scores and great match lists. Looking at Dr. Dubin's past, he hasn't stayed at one school for more than a few years. It seems like he comes in to med schools to "fix" them, and then leaves for another place. From what I understand, he's been very rude to current students, and he even fired some teachers that were beloved.

I think there is a lot of turmoil ahead of us unfortunately. Current students aren't happy. Professors aren't happy. He better hope this new curriculum improves board scores drastically (not sure how this is possibly considering KCUMB had the highest scores), or there is going to be serious hell to pay.
 
It's going to be systems based but instead of splitting the systems up between two years, we will see all systems both years. I guess they are getting rid of pathology lab and changing it to something else.

Majority of faculty and staff do not like Dr. Dubin. I'm not a fan of being a test subject for new curriculum. Especially since KCUMB has a history of very high board scores and great match lists. Looking at Dr. Dubin's past, he hasn't stayed at one school for more than a few years. It seems like he comes in to med schools to "fix" them, and then leaves for another place. From what I understand, he's been very rude to current students, and he even fired some teachers that were beloved.

[/b]I think there is a lot of turmoil ahead of us unfortunately. Current students aren't happy. Professors aren't happy.[/b] He better hope this new curriculum improves board scores drastically (not sure how this is possibly considering KCUMB had the highest scores), or there is going to be serious hell to pay.

Not saying that you're wrong but where have you heard most of this stuff?

1.) Are we really going to be test subjects for this curriculum? During acceptance day he mentioned that he had used the same curriculum at TCOM and brought their board scores up to #1 for 5 consecutive years. We would need to ask some TCOM grads about what was going on here.

It has also been used at RVU. I remember at one point RVU students were bragging about how high their board score averages are.

This is what I could find:

Dear Faculty, Staff, and Student Doctors,
Please join me in congratulating the current third year class (Class of 2011) on their exemplary COMLEX I performance. All students have taken the examination from our new third year class, and here is the data that I have just finished receiving, and collated:

154 students took the exam.
The Pass rate is 99.4%
The high score was 785, with four students scoring over 700+
27 students scored between 600 - and 699
81 students scored between 500 and 599
41 students scored between 400 and 499
1 student scored below 400.

The current mean is Mean=544

This is an impressive mean to say the least. For comparison, last year's mean was 536 with 99.3% pass rate. Last year we were number one in both pass rate and mean score.

As you know, we have been number one in the country on the COMLEX I examination for the past four years. Although I will not be able to confirm this until next summer, I am relatively certain this will now be the fifth year in a row where TCOM students are number one on this exam.

All I can say is I am extremely proud of our faculty for their dedication, and extremely proud of our students for their hard work. TCOM students Rock!!

Congratulations.

Dr. Bruce Dubin
Interim Dean
UNTHSC-TCOM

Anyone know what the class size was at this time?

Letter from Dean Dubin:
Faculty, Staff, and Students,

The following chart was posted on the NBOME web site this morning. While we are still awaiting more Level II CE and PE results, our COMLEX I scores for the entire class of 2015 are finalized.

As you can see, the class of 2015 had great scores, with an effective 98% pass rate. Well done!!

Thanks to all of you (faculty, staff, and student body) for all that you do in training the next generation of physicians.

Just another time to say, Y'all Rock!!
Dr. D

RVU N:
145
National N:
5223
RVU Pass Rate:
97.93 %
National Pass Rate:
92.84 %

RVU Mean score: 550.08
National Mean score: 520.14

I'm not sure if they restricted certain students from taking the exam or whatever. From another thread someone posted this:

Newflash, boyo....

Same thing happened at TCOM -- those who had struggled got the option of having more time to study....mutually beneficial both to the student and the school ---student got more time to prepare, school stood a better chance of having no failures......We had several years of all but one person passing and were trying to hit that perfect pass mark.....just so we could cut off the 2nd year program director's pony tail....:D

Dubin is one hell of an educator....You may not like his manner but he proved time and again that he was interested in turning students into the best physicians they could be.....


Last year KCUMB had an avg MCAT score of 26. That's the lowest out of the oldest 5 schools. According to a new infographic I saw it's projected to be a 28 this year. I don't know if he had anything to do with that.

2.) Yeah, he has moved around a lot. This seriously concerns me. I really hope KCUMB isn't just another notch in the belt.

He has been at VCOM *, OUHCOM *, TCOM, RVU and now KCUMB. There is one I'm missing in the middle. The name escapes me right now.
*Source: http://www.aacom.org/Documents/bodu/2009-09/Dr_Bruce_Dubin_Release.pdf

3.) We've had a few people post criticisms. The first person who brought up the issue about the changes went from a negative light to a positive one in 2 posts. That was kind of weird but whatever.
 
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I had a really long comment about this but in the long run, it really doesn't matter. I have no doubt that Dubin knows what he is doing. I think people just don't really like his personality very much. He is apparently a little abrasive. But whatever. I think the changes will be good, but it is still a little scary. The main thing I don't like is that the second years wont be able to help us much because our curriculum will be different from what they had. Med students don't like when people mess with their routine, and I think that is the number one reason people are so anti Dubin. I'm excited to start school and I hope that everything works out. I really think it will

Also, If the average of KCUMB comlex was 550, that would be amazing. I really hope I can score that high
 
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4th yr butting in.

So apparently some new cocksmoker took over the school and is changing the entire place to become his little empire in the ghetto. Sad state of affairs when the most legit med school around turns to what it looks like now. Instead of a school with a bunch of badass students who made boards their biatches, ran KC till 3am every weekend, and somehow maintained 6 packs year round...you now have a bunch of immature socially awkward asians/indians that spend more time in the library than their own apt. Last I checked doctors need to know how to talk to people

What the hell is this? Really?
 
Ya.... I understand some people being a little upset with Dubin but I'm pretty sure he isn't trying to establish an empire of awkward Asians and Indians. No need to bring race into this. As a fourth year student at a great medical school, you really should be embarrassed. You are better than that, come on.
 
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@chizledfrmstone - wow, thanks for looking that up! That is some solid info that really backs up with Dr. Dublin has been telling people

I feel like every other post is the opposite of the one before it. Someone says something negative about the changes, next post its positive, then it goes negative again!

One of the biggest reasons I choose to go to KCUMB was because of their curriculum. I like the way it was systematic and how it integrated well with pathology etc. I have heard nothing but rave reviews about its success and it really shows in the previous classes' board scores. Although, and I'm sure many of us feel this way, we are both excited and disappointed. But, from what I have heard is that the positive of this change outweighs the negatives. From what I have heard, is that it is still completely systems based, the questions on exams and from professors will be more board/clinical based, we will have Kaplan tutoring, we will see each system each year, so that means we will get more exposure to the same systems than what we would have with the old curriculum. The only things I can see from this are going to be higher board scores (but we wont know until next years MS-2's take their boards). I have complete faith that this change will only make things better! Also, based on the information chizledfrmstone provided, it sounds like Dr. Dublin (regardless of his personality) significantly improved board scores for two other schools and I assume he will do the same at KCUMB!

Also, I remember that during my interview day, a few 2nd years were talking about how they felt about the change to iPads for the curriculum. Most felt that the iPads would make it worse, and they felt that they would have a more difficult time learning which would translate to lowered test/board scores. But, almost of them said that they were proven wrong when the change actually happened and board scores even went up! Also their test scores stayed the same. Now, many love the iPads and have welcomed the change. I can see this happening next year. Most people hate change but I think it is necessary in order to advance! I really see not a single downside to this newer curriculum and it is still genesis based which is nice.

hopefully the attendance policy goes away too!
 
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Ya.... me understand some people being a little upset with Dubin but me are pretty sure he isn't trying to establish an empire of awkward Asians and Indians. No need to bring race into this. As a fourth year student at a great medical school, you really should be embarrassed. You are better than that, come on.
I'm interested as to why you say me instead of I?
 
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