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I have reached an ultimate "don't give a crap" low this week. I have a midterm Friday, thankfully it is multiple choice and only worth 20% of the grade, but a mix of family health issues, stress and now feeling like crap after getting the second rabies vaccine; I can not muster enough give a ****e to study. Currently I am very lazily skimming through musculoskeletal lectures, hopefully some random info will get stuck in my brain just by skimming.

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our very gifted and amazing equine professor resigned and left at the end of last semester. my class now has a series of visiting equine specialists teaching us equine internal medicine. our first VP is dutch, and while you can tell she's brilliant and very good at what she does, her ability to convey information in english is poor and her ability to teach students of north american origin is even poorer. we've not been trained to be mind readers or to extract something from nothing (i say this with certainty that there is a very different style of teaching and expectation in some areas of europe because we've had 3 from U Utrecht and one from Belgium and they are so vastly different from our typical NA profs). i've been to all the classes. i've taken notes, i've reread those notes, i've read the "suggested" tb pages from LAIM by smith. i feel like i know NOTHING. i cant figure anything out. and while i'm sure a bit of it is that i'm not an equine person, that's clearly not a deal breaker because i also know 0% about FA, but the FA VP from VMRCVM did a fabulous job teaching and i got all his questions correct. rawr. i feel so discouraged!:oops:
Who was your VMRCVM professor? You can IM me if you're not comfortable putting his name on here. I'm terribly curious....
 
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Who was your VMRCVM professor? You can IM me if you're not comfortable putting his name on here. I'm terribly curious....
Dr. Gilsenan - he did a great job being super straight forward, highlighting what was important vs. what was detail oriented, he was super interactive, took time to prepare thought questions for us (that we had to answer in groups during class after getting a couple of minutes), made lecture objectives, was American/spoke English (this is kind of a big deal to us, for example our last equine prof was dutch...)
 
I have reached an ultimate "don't give a crap" low this week. I have a midterm Friday, thankfully it is multiple choice and only worth 20% of the grade, but a mix of family health issues, stress and now feeling like crap after getting the second rabies vaccine; I can not muster enough give a ****e to study. Currently I am very lazily skimming through musculoskeletal lectures, hopefully some random info will get stuck in my brain just by skimming.

Something happened at the beginning of this new semester, but I have also reached a new level of "don't give a crap". I don't expect this condition to resolve anytime soon either since after the midterms I spent my afternoons watching the Olympics and re-watching Scrubs, and dreaming about chocolate ice cream.
 
Dr. Gilsenan - he did a great job being super straight forward, highlighting what was important vs. what was detail oriented, he was super interactive, took time to prepare thought questions for us (that we had to answer in groups during class after getting a couple of minutes), made lecture objectives, was American/spoke English (this is kind of a big deal to us, for example our last equine prof was dutch...)
He is new to us too. I have had him in large animal labs and food animal club rounds only, but I really like him (except he has a limited understanding of how very much shorter my arms are compared to his related to explaining how to effectively palpate cows-lol).
 
I had a technician call me at 1am because there was a medication that was supposed to be given at midnight but it wasn't marked off. "Well, is the dose in the fridge?" - No. "Were you the tech on at midnight or was there another tech?" - another tech. "Did you ask the other tech?" - no. "Well I suggest you call the tech because I made up the dose and he probably gave it."

Maybe it's not as clear as I see it, but in my mind, calling the person who was in charge of treatments at that time is the person I would call first. I was tired and frustrated but tried not to be mean. Not sure how well I did.
 
I had a technician call me at 1am because there was a medication that was supposed to be given at midnight but it wasn't marked off. "Well, is the dose in the fridge?" - No. "Were you the tech on at midnight or was there another tech?" - another tech. "Did you ask the other tech?" - no. "Well I suggest you call the tech because I made up the dose and he probably gave it."

Maybe it's not as clear as I see it, but in my mind, calling the person who was in charge of treatments at that time is the person I would call first. I was tired and frustrated but tried not to be mean. Not sure how well I did.
should have asked if they would have called the attending if that was the person writing orders instead of the person in charge of tx at the time...
 
Professors say focus on the big picture, don't worry about or learn specific details; tests only on details :sendoff::dead:
 
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I feel so disheartened after my Gen Path exam. I went in feeling confident and left feeling like I could cry. I didn't put nearly enough focus on the itty bitty details and too much on general concepts, lists and definitions. Blah :'(
 
Why is it so hard to return grades? We had one class end a month ago and still don't have a final grade. There were only 30 people in it. Get it together. One of the other classes we haven't gotten grades back on was a computer-based multiple choice exam. It doesn't even require any effort. It's already graded, just release it. Ugh
 
Why is it so hard to return grades? We had one class end a month ago and still don't have a final grade. There were only 30 people in it. Get it together. One of the other classes we haven't gotten grades back on was a computer-based multiple choice exam. It doesn't even require any effort. It's already graded, just release it. Ugh

I am sitting here thinking this same thing for our OSCE exams we had before Christmas. The exam is graded in front of you as you perform the task, so it isn't like they have anything to grade or do. They were supposed to give us the feedback in mid-February (which is ridiculous since they have had it since December), but nope we are still waiting. :mad:
 
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Our parasitology professor talks so... slowlyyyyyy..... can't. stay. focused.
 
Not super happy with the way anatomy is being run. Learning the front half for three different species is hard enough--we shouldn't also have to figure out what is or isn't important! It feels like there's no direction now. We just had our practical and there were at least 3 things where I hadn't even looked at anything in that area because I didn't know we were supposed to know anything there. Now I feel like the difference between an A and a B in anatomy is whether you were lucky enough to study the right things. :meh:
 
So I'm pretty laid back about eating in class. I do it pretty frequently myself, almost daily. I don't care if it's kind of stinky or crunchy or what. Feel free.

BUT THERE IS NO NEED TO EAT NUTS DURING A MIDTERM! It is 8:30 in the morning. You probably just had breakfast. You had time to eat before hand. I don't need my thought process from you crunch-crunch-crunching on almonds 6 feet away from me. Likewise, you don't need coffee during the midterm, so stop rattling your damn thermos. (Yes, this is aimed at a specific classmate.)
 
So I'm pretty laid back about eating in class. I do it pretty frequently myself, almost daily. I don't care if it's kind of stinky or crunchy or what. Feel free.

You are way more forgiving than me lol.
 
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So I'm pretty laid back about eating in class. I do it pretty frequently myself, almost daily. I don't care if it's kind of stinky or crunchy or what. Feel free.

BUT THERE IS NO NEED TO EAT NUTS DURING A MIDTERM! It is 8:30 in the morning. You probably just had breakfast. You had time to eat before hand. I don't need my thought process from you crunch-crunch-crunching on almonds 6 feet away from me. Likewise, you don't need coffee during the midterm, so stop rattling your damn thermos. (Yes, this is aimed at a specific classmate.)
mean while at SGU, students are fighting online about whether or not it's ridiculous that the school has security guards patrolling the study halls for people eating and drinking from non-spillproof containers and fining them (you break the rules, you deserve the fine imo)

i can't imagine what our exam proctors would do if someone tried to eat during an exam, someone would probably have a heart attack
 
So I'm pretty laid back about eating in class. I do it pretty frequently myself, almost daily. I don't care if it's kind of stinky or crunchy or what. Feel free.

BUT THERE IS NO NEED TO EAT NUTS DURING A MIDTERM! It is 8:30 in the morning. You probably just had breakfast. You had time to eat before hand. I don't need my thought process from you crunch-crunch-crunching on almonds 6 feet away from me. Likewise, you don't need coffee during the midterm, so stop rattling your damn thermos. (Yes, this is aimed at a specific classmate.)

Rather certain this student would have been kicked out of the exam here for eating while taking an exam. Can't have anything like that with you at the desk. I also hate the sound of loud chewing or people who can't chew with their mouth shut. So hearing crunch, crunch during an exam would make me go insane.
 
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Rather certain this student would have been kicked out of the exam here for eating while taking an exam. Can't have anything like that with you at the desk. I also hate the sound of loud chewing or people who can't chew with their mouth shut. So hearing crunch, crunch during an exam would make me go insane.
Actually I always ate during exams. I find I use up a lot of energy so need a little refresher.
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Distractions are a part of life. :p:p

Completely OT: but part of pilot license practical exams is to try to distract the applicant and watch the fun that ensues… They especially like to drop a pencil in the back seat and make you reach behind you and retrieve it for the examiner and watch as the plane starts turning and diving as the examiner accidentally nudges the yolk. They also try to get you into conversations at exactly the wrong time to distract you from critical jobs. Good times.
 
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Actually I always ate during exams. I find I use up a lot of energy so need a little refresher.
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Distractions are a part of life. :p:p

I don't care if you eat, as long as it is quiet and without lip smacking. But, it is against exam rules here to have food at the desk during the exam. I don't think it has so much to do with eating as it does the containers/bags/whatever you bring the food in can't be looked at to be sure you haven't written out notes or anything on it.

I am really good with distraction usually (it just so happens that loud eating is like nails on a chalkboard to me). I did grow up with 3 sisters constantly fighting, bickering, then talking about shopping/makeup/girl stuff. (I was the abnormal one of the bunch). I would just keep reading or doing homework or whatever while they were having their fights or girl talk.
 
So I'm pretty laid back about eating in class. I do it pretty frequently myself, almost daily. I don't care if it's kind of stinky or crunchy or what. Feel free.

BUT THERE IS NO NEED TO EAT NUTS DURING A MIDTERM! It is 8:30 in the morning. You probably just had breakfast. You had time to eat before hand. I don't need my thought process from you crunch-crunch-crunching on almonds 6 feet away from me. Likewise, you don't need coffee during the midterm, so stop rattling your damn thermos. (Yes, this is aimed at a specific classmate.)

lol, during our pathology midterm they started doing construction (that irritating power drill onto concrete wall noise that's been happening periodically all year) and the professor asked if we wanted him to go make them stop, and no one in the class cared. I guess we're pretty distraction proof.

My only problem with people eating during exams is when they unwrap it in the middle of the exam. Mostly because my automatic reaction is to look in the direction of the sudden noise and I'm terrified I'm going to get accused of cheating one of these times. :laugh:
 
So I'm pretty laid back about eating in class. I do it pretty frequently myself, almost daily. I don't care if it's kind of stinky or crunchy or what. Feel free.

BUT THERE IS NO NEED TO EAT NUTS DURING A MIDTERM! It is 8:30 in the morning. You probably just had breakfast. You had time to eat before hand. I don't need my thought process from you crunch-crunch-crunching on almonds 6 feet away from me. Likewise, you don't need coffee during the midterm, so stop rattling your damn thermos. (Yes, this is aimed at a specific classmate.)

There's this one person in our class that I can't stand sitting next to during an exam. If she's not flipping her pages violently she's violently tossing her highlighters or violently shaking the table we are sharing with her constant erasing. I learned this about this particular classmate last semester and avoid sitting next to her during an exam. On Tuesday she came in after we already started writing and guess who was the only one with a spot next to them...that's right me! So on top of the drilling and construction (which was tolerable), I had to put up with sharing a table with her!
 
I always feel so bad for blowing my nose during an exam, but I figure it's better than the every two minute sniffle... something about exam mornings seems to make me sneeze, and then I get a runny nose. Bleh.
 
I always feel so bad for blowing my nose during an exam, but I figure it's better than the every two minute sniffle... something about exam mornings seems to make me sneeze, and then I get a runny nose. Bleh.

You are allergic to exams. You should inform someone at the school that exams are hazardous to your health and you need special accommodations to deal with the issue. ;)
 
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I always feel so bad for blowing my nose during an exam, but I figure it's better than the every two minute sniffle... something about exam mornings seems to make me sneeze, and then I get a runny nose. Bleh.

So much better. Whenever I hear someone sniffing repeatedly, I want to give them a tissue so they can just get it over with. I'm not usually easily distracted and I'm pretty good about filtering out normal exam noise - coughs, sniffles, page rustling, etc. It was just the uncessary nature of what he was doing. ETA: I also don't particularly like this person so I have a low threshold for his behaviour in general.
 
My only problem with people eating during exams is when they unwrap it in the middle of the exam. Mostly because my automatic reaction is to look in the direction of the sudden noise and I'm terrified I'm going to get accused of cheating one of these times. :laugh:
People knew better than to sit next to me cause the eating sounds were drowned out by the incessant cursing under my breath, and loud sighs of exasperation.
 
mean while at SGU, students are fighting online about whether or not it's ridiculous that the school has security guards patrolling the study halls for people eating and drinking from non-spillproof containers and fining them (you break the rules, you deserve the fine imo)

i can't imagine what our exam proctors would do if someone tried to eat during an exam, someone would probably have a heart attack

... You get fined for not have spill-proof containers?

I don't even know how to react. I will often eat breakfast or at least drink diet coke during an exam. If I wasn't allowed to have diet coke it would be a huge problem!
 
... You get fined for not have spill-proof containers?

I don't even know how to react. I will often eat breakfast or at least drink diet coke during an exam. If I wasn't allowed to have diet coke it would be a huge problem!
i'm not sure how much of this is money grubbing and how much of it is actually practical, but since its so tropical here, bugs and rodents can be a problem and thus students are not allowed to eat and drink in buildings. the previous rule was that you had to have all non-water beverages in a special cup sold by the university, but that was thankfully overturned because that was not by far a spillproof cup (one of those reusable starbucks cups) so now all non-water beverages must be in spill proof containers.

that said, we're naughty and we all eat and drink as we please, but we accept that we might get caught and fined for our actions. :shrug:

as for exams, oh geez i don't know how to describe those policies without writing a novel!! basically, the only items allowed to enter the room are a computer, a power cord, an ethernet cord, and a student ID. if a student wishes to being a jacket, they must wear it or place it on the chair behind them (not next to them). if a student brings a water in a clear container (only), it must remain on the floor except when in use. absolutely nothing else is allowed in:eyebrow:
 
If this pharm exam was just on antimicrobials, it would be challenging but managable. Instead, it's abx, behavioral drugs AND anti-inflammatories (NSAIDS, steroids, anti-histamines etc). AAAGGHH.

We did all this before. Except the behaviour stuff. But still, a lot of it is repeat. So why don't I remember any of it?! I swear for the rest of my life, I will be looking up individual antibiotics because I just can't remember them.

Chronically missing-class surgery professor almost missed it again today. We had to go track her down. This has GOT to stop.
 
We did all this before. Except the behaviour stuff. But still, a lot of it is repeat. So why don't I remember any of it?! I swear for the rest of my life, I will be looking up individual antibiotics because I just can't remember them.

Chronically missing-class surgery professor almost missed it again today. We had to go track her down. This has GOT to stop.
I really like pharm but I have a lot of problems remembering abx. I can remember classes and mechanism of action but remembering whether they're bactericidal/bacteriostatic, concentration or time dependent, and which organisms they act against plagues me. I put a cling sheet up in my room and update as I learn more abx and I think it helps a lot!
 
We got new anatomy lab groups today. Which also means switching to a different set of cadavers. Which meant I spent the entirety of my dissection time in anatomy lab today scraping mold off of a pony someone else had neglected. Then the second group got to come in an actually do the dissection and learn things. :mad: At least that meant I got to leave shortly after they started work on the not very well preserved cow they decided to replace and thus had to dispose of... which meant chopping it into smaller pieces... and let me tell you, that was not a pleasant smell.....
 
Our physiology professor is a nice guy, and I understand that English isn't his first language and that's probably a pretty big challenge. But I really, REALLY wish he would have someone proofread his notes. The spelling and grammar mistakes are bad enough, but it also takes me ten minutes to get through a single page because his way of wording things and mistakes in phrasing make it difficult to decipher what he actually means. For example, in the section I just covered he repeatedly makes reference to "calves and other lactating animals." Since calves generally don't lactate I'm assuming he means other milk-drinking animals, maybe . . .? Yeah, this happens a lot.

Not to mention that his notes would probably be half as long if he actually organized them and cut out all the repetition. He jumps back and forth between topics constantly and restates the same points every time he switches back to a previously discussed topic. And then his bullet summaries at the end of each section frequently say something entirely different than what he said in the paragraphs. It's like trying to learn science from a James Joyce stream of consciousness narrative!

Ugh, I can't wait to be done with this exam.

End rant.
 
Our physiology professor is a nice guy, and I understand that English isn't his first language and that's probably a pretty big challenge.
Class of 2015 pointed it out in our evaluations. Class of 2016 probably did too. There's really no excuse. I like him, but yeah, the notes are a mess.
 
Class of 2015 pointed it out in our evaluations. Class of 2016 probably did too. There's really no excuse. I like him, but yeah, the notes are a mess.

We did, obviously to no avail. I gave up trying to decipher his notes and looked at notes from other vet schools or googled it.
 
Falling down a slippery F slope. Feeling disheartened & frustrated. Any advice/suggestions/hugs? I am feeling rather defeated today :(
I have virtual hugs! Hope things turn around for you! Tomorrow is another day!
 
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Falling down a slippery F slope. Feeling disheartened & frustrated. Any advice/suggestions/hugs? I am feeling rather defeated today :(
Does your school offer a tutoring program?
I would contact your professors in courses you are struggling in and see what they can do to help- sometimes reviewing tests can help figure out if it was not knowing the material vs not being able to answer the questions due to the wording/style of questions.
Reviewing before exams with classmates helps, too. I know that if I had not studied with friends for the past few exams, I would have gotten quite a few questions wrong because I either failed to note a particular statement/idea/concept or just didn't understand it correctly.
 
Does your school offer a tutoring program?
I would contact your professors in courses you are struggling in and see what they can do to help- sometimes reviewing tests can help figure out if it was not knowing the material vs not being able to answer the questions due to the wording/style of questions.
Reviewing before exams with classmates helps, too. I know that if I had not studied with friends for the past few exams, I would have gotten quite a few questions wrong because I either failed to note a particular statement/idea/concept or just didn't understand it correctly.
There was a 2nd year mentoring for 1st year curriculum but not since. I am in the process of meeting with professors & have contacted our academic dean. I have been studying with classmates (which has helped immensely with my understanding, not so much with exams!). I'm hoping it's been a rough patch, not a "new normal" patch. Thanks for the suggestions :)
 
Falling down a slippery F slope. Feeling disheartened & frustrated. Any advice/suggestions/hugs? I am feeling rather defeated today :(
I feel like since we're presented with so freaking much information, it can be so overwhelming to try and learn it all. I don't know for sure, but if this is you and the learn it all plan is backfiring, try this: Not quite limit your studying, but instead focus your studying to the big picture/idea/concept and just letting the other stuff go. You'll never learn all of the tiny details anyway and you're just filling your brain with vet med trivia facts that way. Besides, no matter how may trivial details you remember, guaranteed that the professor will ask about the other even more minute fact that you can't quite remember on the test anyways. Instead of memorizing every ad nauseam list presented, just remember the two most important things on the list. If drug categories, mech of actions, species, aliments indicated for, contraindications etc etc etc, are too much to remember, make a limited information comparison chart for that class of drugs. Add only the most important information. Do the same thing in other subjects, but with flow charts. I find this type of studying is very effective and gratifying for me. Granted I do miss some of the really trivial fact questions on exams but I'm perfectly happy getting a B. I'm also perfectly happy learning the material in a way I find manageable, instead of memorizing it.
I hope you can work your way back up!!! Good luck:cat: (luck cat thinks you can do it):turtle: (and lucky turtle, too)
 
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I feel like since we're presented with so freaking much information, it can be so overwhelming to try and learn it all. I don't know for sure, but if this is you and the learn it all plan is backfiring, try this: Not quite limit your studying, but instead focus your studying to the big picture/idea/concept and just letting the other stuff go. You'll never learn all of the tiny details anyway and you're just filling your brain with vet med trivia facts that way. Besides, no matter how may trivial details you remember, guaranteed that the professor will ask about the other even more minute fact that you can't quite remember on the test anyways. Instead of memorizing every ad nauseam list presented, just remember the two most important things on the list. If drug categories, mech of actions, species, aliments indicated for, contraindications etc etc etc, are too much to remember, make a limited information comparison chart for that class of drugs. Add only the most important information. Do the same thing in other subjects, but with flow charts. I find this type of studying is very effective and gratifying for me. Granted I do miss some of the really trivial fact questions on exams but I'm perfectly happy getting a B. I'm also perfectly happy learning the material in a way I find manageable, instead of memorizing it.
I hope you can work your way back up!!! Good luck:cat: (luck cat thinks you can do it):turtle: (and lucky turtle, too)
I can definitely give those things a try. Thanks for the advice/strategies! :thumbup:
 
Falling down a slippery F slope. Feeling disheartened & frustrated. Any advice/suggestions/hugs? I am feeling rather defeated today :(
Maybe find an upperclassman who can help focus you. I find them to be quite helpful even though they have their problems too. And :biglove::biglove:
 
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Kaydubs, what class(es) are you having trouble with? Maybe that will help us in our advice-giving.
 
I just took a 200 question true/false exam disguised as a 40 question multiple choice exam. I feel the need to vomit.
 
I just took a 200 question true/false exam disguised as a 40 question multiple choice exam. I feel the need to vomit.

Ugh. Our pharm exam today had a big section worth of short essay questions and weird fill in the blanks. After she repeatedly told the class multiple choice and short answer "Like one or two words short answer!" :uhno:
 
We have a physiology professor who LOVES those. Which of the following is FALSE? Which of these is TRUE? Ugh.
Eh, I don't mind those so much. What drives me nuts are the ones where you have a), b), c), and then the answer choices are a and b, b and c, all of the above, none of the above.
 
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Kaydubs, what class(es) are you having trouble with? Maybe that will help us in our advice-giving.
I'll keep you posted. The one course has ended and the other is clin path.
What drives me nuts are the ones where you have a), b), c), and then the answer choices are a and b, b and c, all of the above, none of the above.
Yes, those are E raised to the VIL to the nth degree.
 
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