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Hello everyone! I'm a medical student at Miami Miller that the admissions office asked to be a liaison between the school and SDN. If any of you ever have questions for Dr.Hinkley about the process or whats going on, feel free to contact me and I'll either ask him for you or just answer it for you myself if I know the answer.

Dr.Hinkley asked me to set up this account last year to help make sure you guys have the right info and not just rumors. Feel free to contact me with any general questions you might have about the Miami admissions process!

I've got a question for you. I've heard this from medical students and from other people in the profession. So I don't know if its just rumor or if its true...
I've heard that UM is big on who you know?
 
Hello everyone! I'm a medical student at Miami Miller that the admissions office asked to be a liaison between the school and SDN. If any of you ever have questions for Dr.Hinkley about the process or whats going on, feel free to contact me and I'll either ask him for you or just answer it for you myself if I know the answer.

Dr.Hinkley asked me to set up this account last year to help make sure you guys have the right info and not just rumors. Feel free to contact me with any general questions you might have about the Miami admissions process!

Do the students in the Boca Raton and Miami campuses interact at all, or are they totally separate?
 
Do the students in the Boca Raton and Miami campuses interact at all, or are they totally separate?

In previous years, the Boca students did 1st-2nd year at FAU and then did their 3rd-4th year in Miami with the other medical students. During the first two years, the Boca students had monthly interactions with the Miami students for simulations and other events. However, starting this year, the Boca Raton program will have all 4 years at FAU. Essentially two different programs.
 
My GPA does show an upward trend (albiet not fantastic) . The grad classes here are the same as the med ones , just more detail (from the mouth of several professors who teach both) . Im now tutoring most of the subjects I did ****ty in. Thats somewhat paradoxical, I know but I do know the material. I think I proved that on the MCAT . I do have clinical shadowing experiance. That is part of what I did while working at the ER, shadow physicians and nurse practitioners. I might be sending REL an PM. Is REL associated with USF? QofQuimica , thats for taking an object look and not flaming.
Right, REL is the admissions director at USF. He's a very nice, helpful man.

Considering that I applied to med school with no GPA (I went to New College), I'm really not in a position to flame anyone else about their GPA. 😉
 
Hello everyone! I'm a medical student at Miami Miller that the admissions office asked to be a liaison between the school and SDN. If any of you ever have questions for Dr.Hinkley about the process or whats going on, feel free to contact me and I'll either ask him for you or just answer it for you myself if I know the answer.

Dr.Hinkley asked me to set up this account last year to help make sure you guys have the right info and not just rumors. Feel free to contact me with any general questions you might have about the Miami admissions process!


I have been calling the office for the last month, and the secretary says my app is completed, been reviewed, and awaiting a decision. How long will this take. Im afraid that she is just trying not to tell me some bad news.
 
I've been thinking for the last few days...and am seriously contemplating withdrawing or declining the three medical school interviews that I have at osteopathic medical schools.

My application is currently under review at several allopathic schools...but I know that my sci. GPA is not very competitive there...even though I have an upward trend this last year...

If I don't get selected for my top choice Florida School...I'll probably just graduate in the Spring or Summer....retake the MCAT in May, or June...and reapply Early Decision...while taking additional courses such as Embryology, Anatomy and etc...to raise my science GPA...and to help out with medical school.

So may ask....are you crazy? Why are you turning down interviews? I just feel like I am rushing...and that I should really try to get into my top choice medical school with the most favorable application...

It would be nice to stick around in this area for a while....
 
I have been calling the office for the last month, and the secretary says my app is completed, been reviewed, and awaiting a decision. How long will this take. Im afraid that she is just trying not to tell me some bad news.

Yeah I'm in the same situtation but I've been dealing with it since August
 
I've been thinking for the last few days...and am seriously contemplating withdrawing or declining the three medical school interviews that I have at osteopathic medical schools.

My application is currently under review at several allopathic schools...but I know that my sci. GPA is not very competitive there...even though I have an upward trend this last year...

If I don't get selected for my top choice Florida School...I'll probably just graduate in the Spring or Summer....retake the MCAT in May, or June...and reapply Early Decision...while taking additional courses such as Embryology, Anatomy and etc...to raise my science GPA...and to help out with medical school.

So may ask....are you crazy? Why are you turning down interviews? I just feel like I am rushing...and that I should really try to get into my top choice medical school with the most favorable application...

It would be nice to stick around in this area for a while....

I would go on the interviews. Yah never know you may fall in love with a school MD or DO.
 
I have been calling the office for the last month, and the secretary says my app is completed, been reviewed, and awaiting a decision. How long will this take. Im afraid that she is just trying not to tell me some bad news.

Check the status page. It will tell you if you are in line for a possible interview or rejected usually. Hope this helps.

http://www.mededu.miami.edu/Admissions/statustrack
 
Check the status page. It will tell you if you are in line for a possible interview or rejected usually. Hope this helps.

http://www.mededu.miami.edu/Admissions/statustrack

Is this link only for people who have been invited for an interview, or post-interview? Because my status is not showing up, even though the lady at their office said they had received everything about 3 weeks ago.
 
I've been thinking for the last few days...and am seriously contemplating withdrawing or declining the three medical school interviews that I have at osteopathic medical schools.

My application is currently under review at several allopathic schools...but I know that my sci. GPA is not very competitive there...even though I have an upward trend this last year...

If I don't get selected for my top choice Florida School...I'll probably just graduate in the Spring or Summer....retake the MCAT in May, or June...and reapply Early Decision...while taking additional courses such as Embryology, Anatomy and etc...to raise my science GPA...and to help out with medical school.

So may ask....are you crazy? Why are you turning down interviews? I just feel like I am rushing...and that I should really try to get into my top choice medical school with the most favorable application...

It would be nice to stick around in this area for a while....
My personal feeling is that you should attend every interview you are offered until you get your first acceptance. This is assuming, of course, that you would rather be attending medical school next year than sitting out for a year. If you don't mind taking the year off, well, then, you're free to do that. In that case, I would suggest that you talk to a pre-med advisor or maybe the admissions director at your favorite school about what you can do to make yourself as competitive as possible for their program.
 
no idea what page our thread fell to! I had to do a search to find it!! Keeping Florida alive!
 
Yeah FL schools...especially one inparticular :clap:
 
I was wondering if anyone knows the approximate Step 1 scores for the different Florida schools. I read that UF is ~230 and USF is ~ 220. Anyone know about UM and FSU? Obviously these scores don't just reflect the med school but also the students that end up at these schools, but I think it may be a helpful to know when deciding.
 
Does USF let you use interfolio to send in the peer letters? And is there any confidentiality waiver at all? I never saw one, while filling out the secondary.
 
Does USF let you use interfolio to send in the peer letters? And is there any confidentiality waiver at all? I never saw one, while filling out the secondary.

Yes, send the letters ELECTRONICALLY (make sure you do this) through interfolio. And if the waiver you are talking about is for the letters of rec., you already verified that you did not have access to them when signing up for interfolio and uploading the documents.
 
Yes, send the letters ELECTRONICALLY (make sure you do this) through interfolio. And if the waiver you are talking about is for the letters of rec., you already verified that you did not have access to them when signing up for interfolio and uploading the documents.

what he said above^^^

I thought USF has 2 character letters but that it does not specifically say peer letter. Can someone confirm this?? Or has things changed?
 
what he said above^^^

I thought USF has 2 character letters but that it does not specifically say peer letter. Can someone confirm this?? Or has things changed?

2 science, 1 non-science, 2 peer/character letters. I used a couple bosses from my differnet jobs.
 
2 science, 1 non-science, 2 peer/character letters. I used a couple bosses from my differnet jobs.

Ohh so do those have to be friends or could they be any one who knows you real well writing a character letter for you? I.e. lab manager, employer, etc?? Because all the previous forums I've heard from REL at have always given me that impression??
 
"Two personal letters of character recommendation must be received no later than January 15 (August 15 for Early Decision applicants). These should come from your family physician, employer, close friend, a neighbor, alumni, or a person who can attest to your interest in Medicine. Please do not submit letters from family members, relatives or faculty who have taught you in a course." -From USF website

Thanks for the help. Sorry to confuse anyone.
 
"Two personal letters of character recommendation must be received no later than January 15 (August 15 for Early Decision applicants). These should come from your family physician, employer, close friend, a neighbor, alumni, or a person who can attest to your interest in Medicine. Please do not submit letters from family members, relatives or faculty who have taught you in a course." -From USF website

Thanks for the help. Sorry to confuse anyone.

Thanks for clarification.😀 😛
 
I was wondering if anyone knows the approximate Step 1 scores for the different Florida schools. I read that UF is ~230 and USF is ~ 220. Anyone know about UM and FSU? Obviously these scores don't just reflect the med school but also the students that end up at these schools, but I think it may be a helpful to know when deciding.

Miami was 221 last year.
 
Miami was 221 last year.

Remember...you are the one that must study and prepare for the USMLE. I honestly don't believe that the school that you attend (comparing USA medical schools) has as much to do with your score as your own personal study habits. The averages at each school is probably a reflection of the average person that they matriculate, and how they do on standardized tests. I'd suggest ditching the comparison of USMLE Step 1 scores between schools, and figure out which school you'd be happy at...somewhere where you can study and learn the best, by yourself or with friends, for Step 1.
 
Remember...you are the one that must study and prepare for the USMLE. I honestly don't believe that the school that you attend (comparing USA medical schools) has as much to do with your score as your own personal study habits. The averages at each school is probably a reflection of the average person that they matriculate, and how they do on standardized tests. I'd suggest ditching the comparison of USMLE Step 1 scores between schools, and figure out which school you'd be happy at...somewhere where you can study and learn the best, by yourself or with friends, for Step 1.
I'm still an M1, so I haven't taken Step 1 yet. But FWIW, I agree with you. 🙂
 
Remember...you are the one that must study and prepare for the USMLE. I honestly don't believe that the school that you attend (comparing USA medical schools) has as much to do with your score as your own personal study habits. The averages at each school is probably a reflection of the average person that they matriculate, and how they do on standardized tests. I'd suggest ditching the comparison of USMLE Step 1 scores between schools, and figure out which school you'd be happy at...somewhere where you can study and learn the best, by yourself or with friends, for Step 1.

I would partially disagree with that assessment. It definitely is important to have good preclinical preparation for the Step 1. Most residency programs look at Step 1 in lieu of your first two years of med school simply because, its standardized (like the MCAT). It is the great equalizer, and if it comes down to having awesome pre-clinical grades or an awesome Step 1 score, the latter will definitely open many more doors for you. The only grades that residencies will really scrutinize is your 3rd year grades, as they assess your clinical competence and team rappoire. Step 1 will assess whether you know the basic science knowledge or not.

I definitely noticed an advantage to UF's curriculum when taking step 1. All of your tests at UF are CBT (computerized-based testing) which are similar in format to USMLE. It's really nice, because it really makes the USMLE just seem like a long version of the tests you've already been used to taking 🙂 You take practice shelf exams at the end of every subject (which may or may not be true at the other schools), but most importantly, the averages when I was there were phenomenal. It's a lot of material, and it helps to have faculty members that are interested in teaching you the salient points. Most people felt that the basic sci faculty (pathology and pharm are real stand-outs for their lecture quality) definitely played a role in performing well on the shelf exams and eventually, Step 1. Here's a link for UF's stats:

http://medinfo.ufl.edu/year3/USMLE_cbt_2006.pdf

Ultimately, there are too many factors to really tease out whether its the average quality of student at the school in question that ultimately contributes to what each school touts as their USMLE average. But FWIW, i felt solid about step 1 before I even started studying in May-- and I know that I wasnt alone.
 
Does anyone know how much time to expect from being complete at FSU to hearing about a wait/rejection/interview? I was recently upped to "Complete" status. 🙂
 
Does anyone know how much time to expect from being complete at FSU to hearing about a wait/rejection/interview? I was recently upped to "Complete" status. 🙂

I don't think there's a set amount of time for any school. Interview season goes til March or April in some schools so you could hear anywhere between now and then whether or not they decide to interview you. My friend, an MS I at USF, got interviewed there only on the last day or one of the last days of interviews in the season and that was his only interview. On the other hand, I had a friend this year who got an interview at UF a week after getting everything in and being declared complete. Depends on the school and the person's individual application, etc. No set time though. Hang in there.


So I'd imagine FSU is the same. It really varies from person to person
 
I would partially disagree with that assessment. It definitely is important to have good preclinical preparation for the Step 1. Most residency programs look at Step 1 in lieu of your first two years of med school simply because, its standardized (like the MCAT). It is the great equalizer, and if it comes down to having awesome pre-clinical grades or an awesome Step 1 score, the latter will definitely open many more doors for you. The only grades that residencies will really scrutinize is your 3rd year grades, as they assess your clinical competence and team rappoire. Step 1 will assess whether you know the basic science knowledge or not.

I definitely noticed an advantage to UF's curriculum when taking step 1. All of your tests at UF are CBT (computerized-based testing) which are similar in format to USMLE. It's really nice, because it really makes the USMLE just seem like a long version of the tests you've already been used to taking 🙂 You take practice shelf exams at the end of every subject (which may or may not be true at the other schools), but most importantly, the averages when I was there were phenomenal. It's a lot of material, and it helps to have faculty members that are interested in teaching you the salient points. Most people felt that the basic sci faculty (pathology and pharm are real stand-outs for their lecture quality) definitely played a role in performing well on the shelf exams and eventually, Step 1. Here's a link for UF's stats:

http://medinfo.ufl.edu/year3/USMLE_cbt_2006.pdf

Ultimately, there are too many factors to really tease out whether its the average quality of student at the school in question that ultimately contributes to what each school touts as their USMLE average. But FWIW, i felt solid about step 1 before I even started studying in May-- and I know that I wasnt alone.

Thankfully all Florida MD Programs average above the national average on STEP I. The MCAT is a predictor of a few things, one is standardized test taking skills, the higher the MCAT, generally the higher the STEP I. STEP scores are a non-factor in deciding between Florida MD programs. Ditto with individual NBME shelf exams for various subjects. You do the work, you get the score and all Florida programs set you up to do well.
 
Thankfully all Florida MD Programs average above the national average on STEP I. The MCAT is a predictor of a few things, one is standardized test taking skills, the higher the MCAT, generally the higher the STEP I. STEP scores are a non-factor in deciding between Florida MD programs. Ditto with individual NBME shelf exams for various subjects. You do the work, you get the score and all Florida programs set you up to do well.
You know, one thing that really hit me last year during interviews was that it seemed like every single school I visited made a point of telling us about how their students scored above average on Step 1. I got the distinct impression that medical schools are like Lake Wobegone, where all of the students are above average. 😛 I mean, seriously, which medical schools have students who score at the average, or even below average??? I honestly have no idea. :laugh:
 
You know, one thing that really hit me last year during interviews was that it seemed like every single school I visited made a point of telling us about how their students scored above average on Step 1. I got the distinct impression that medical schools are like Lake Wobegone, where all of the students are above average. 😛 I mean, seriously, which medical schools have students who score at the average, or even below average??? I honestly have no idea. :laugh:

As I recall, you mostly applied to some pretty good schools. How are the unranked schools that you didn't apply to performing?
 
just a random question: are we supposed to receive some sort of acceptance packet or whatever after you accept your offer of acceptance or do we just sit in limbo land till late spring to hear more information?
 
just a random question: are we supposed to receive some sort of acceptance packet or whatever after you accept your offer of acceptance or do we just sit in limbo land till late spring to hear more information?

I got an envelope with a letter requesting me to write a short letter accepting my acceptance and then signing the technical standards. Other then that, I didn't receive anymore information. Maybe REL can help us out with this one!
 
I got an envelope with a letter requesting me to write a short letter accepting my acceptance and then signing the technical standards. Other then that, I didn't receive anymore information. Maybe REL can help us out with this one!

yea, i got that too, but i was wondering if there was anything after that
 
I definitely noticed an advantage to UF's curriculum when taking step 1. All of your tests at UF are CBT (computerized-based testing) which are similar in format to USMLE. It's really nice, because it really makes the USMLE just seem like a long version of the tests you've already been used to taking 🙂 You take practice shelf exams at the end of every subject (which may or may not be true at the other schools), but most importantly, the averages when I was there were phenomenal. It's a lot of material, and it helps to have faculty members that are interested in teaching you the salient points. Most people felt that the basic sci faculty (pathology and pharm are real stand-outs for their lecture quality) definitely played a role in performing well on the shelf exams and eventually, Step 1. Here's a link for UF's stats:

http://medinfo.ufl.edu/year3/USMLE_cbt_2006.pdf

One thing about averages and statistics...they don't guarantee anything about you. Almost all of the medical schools in the USA will give you the preparation (as much as somebody can "give you" something) and background necessary to do well on the USMLE. Your score on the MCAT does correlate with performance on the USMLE (in that you can take standardized tests, manage your time, interpret, etc), but simply attending a school where people do well on the USMLE isn't a magic bullet that's going to make you do better IMHO.

For example, if you are not a good fit for a school, then you will not study as well than at a school where you fit in. Since almost all US schools give you the prep you need for the USMLE, it's up to you to study the material. People fall into the same trap when preparing for the MCAT. They think that going to the "highest rated" (or those with the highest improvement statistics) MCAT prep course will "fix" their MCAT problem. What they find out, in the end, is that those courses help only if they are a "good fit" for you...and you put the time in, yourself, to do the preparation work outside of class. The SAT, MCAT, USMLE is only a measurement of your current success, and when applied to a group at a school the success of the students as a whole and the people who taught you. You can't make the same prediction in reverse, necessarily that people who attend the same school or learn from the same professors will attain the same success. [I'm no expert in stats, but it's something about you have to prove that the cause actually generated the effect you saw and not some other factor. What's the statistical term for those statisticians out there? 🙂]

I think you are better off to ditch the whole USMLE score game when selecting a medical school, and compare them based upon the professors, students, and curriculum that fits your learning style and personality.
 
As I recall, you mostly applied to some pretty good schools. How are the unranked schools that you didn't apply to performing?
All above average. That's what I'm saying. I applied to several highly ranked schools, and I applied to several unranked schools, plus everything in between. And seriously, EVERY school claimed to have board scores above the national average.
 
One thing about averages and statistics...they don't guarantee anything about you. Almost all of the medical schools in the USA will give you the preparation (as much as somebody can "give you" something) and background necessary to do well on the USMLE. Your score on the MCAT does correlate with performance on the USMLE (in that you can take standardized tests, manage your time, interpret, etc), but simply attending a school where people do well on the USMLE isn't a magic bullet that's going to make you do better IMHO.

For example, if you are not a good fit for a school, then you will not study as well than at a school where you fit in. Since almost all US schools give you the prep you need for the USMLE, it’s up to you to study the material. People fall into the same trap when preparing for the MCAT. They think that going to the "highest rated" (or those with the highest improvement statistics) MCAT prep course will "fix" their MCAT problem. What they find out, in the end, is that those courses help only if they are a "good fit" for you...and you put the time in, yourself, to do the preparation work outside of class. The SAT, MCAT, USMLE is only a measurement of your current success, and when applied to a group at a school the success of the students as a whole and the people who taught you. You can't make the same prediction in reverse, necessarily that people who attend the same school or learn from the same professors will attain the same success. [I'm no expert in stats, but it's something about you have to prove that the cause actually generated the effect you saw and not some other factor. What's the statistical term for those statisticians out there? 🙂]

I think you are better off to ditch the whole USMLE score game when selecting a medical school, and compare them based upon the professors, students, and curriculum that fits your learning style and personality.
I've never understood this SDN-wide obsession with board scores either (or match lists, for that matter). I mean, did any of you pick your college based on their students' average MCAT scores? Or did anyone ever ask for a "match list" for where pre-meds from that school wound up going to medical school? It sounds pretty ridiculous to do that, doesn't it? There are so many issues of personal effort and preference at work in deciding both of these factors. So why do people think that it makes sense to be so reliant on previous students' test scores and matches at the medical school selection level? Maybe I'll feel differently after I take Step 1 myself next year, but last year I picked my medical school pretty much using the same criteria that I used to pick my college: curriculum, financial aid, type of students and how happy they seemed there, and to a small degree, location (so I could get home to see my family). Like I said above, it seems like literally every single medical school touts its fantastic board scores, and this just never really impressed me. At UF, I was way more impressed with Stan and with my interview day being so awesome in general than I was with their board score averages. 🙂
 
Thanks for the link. Miami_med neglected to separate the Miami students from the Boca students. Given that the campuses have different instructors, I think that knowing the difference in scores is useful in evaluating the teaching and preparation of the two.

I don't know the separation. The overall breakdown of scores for Miami is posted on the second floor, but there is no breakdown between the campuses.

I really do have to agree with other posters however, as a second year who is just starting to approach board prep. You are probably a bigger factor than your school. Schools can help, but we had score ranging from failing to ~260 from people who all had the same curriculum (or I guess 2 curricula if you want to get technical w/ FAU). As one of my professors said: "I think that you guys manage to learn in spite of us."
 
I don't know the separation. The overall breakdown of scores for Miami is posted on the second floor, but there is no breakdown between the campuses.

I really do have to agree with other posters however, as a second year who is just starting to approach board prep. You are probably a bigger factor than your school. Schools can help, but we had score ranging from failing to ~260 from people who all had the same curriculum (or I guess 2 curricula if you want to get technical w/ FAU). As one of my professors said: "I think that you guys manage to learn in spite of us."

I think one measure that might be important to look at is the overall pass rate for a school averaged over 5-10 years. I think most schools keep tabs on that info. Again, what you end up seeing may be related to the caliber of the average student enrolled at a particular school. But if you look at schools in carribean, the average first-time pass rates are significantly lower than US allo schools. Is this due to the pre-matriculation quality of the student or the quality of their pre-clinical education? Probably, but we'll never know the full answer. Nonetheless, if you see consistent variations between 2 US allo schools in their USMLE pass rates (who are otherwise are relatively the same in most respects), it might be something you'd want to investigate when choosing your final pick. I can't comment on the other FL schools, the average first-time failure rate has been 0.4% at UF over the past 4 yrs, and 2.1% over the past 15 years. In my class of 2005, we had 2 fail step 1 out of a class of 105.
 
I think one measure that might be important to look at is the overall pass rate for a school averaged over 5-10 years. I think most schools keep tabs on that info. Again, what you end up seeing may be related to the caliber of the average student enrolled at a particular school. But if you look at schools in carribean, the average first-time pass rates are significantly lower than US allo schools. Is this due to the pre-matriculation quality of the student or the quality of their pre-clinical education? We'll never know. Nonetheless, if you see consistent variations between 2 US allo schools in their USMLE pass rates (who are otherwise are relatively the same in most respects), it might be something you'd want to investigate when choosing your final pick. I can't comment on the other FL schools, the average first-time failure rate has been 0.4% at UF over the past 4 yrs, and 2.1% over the past 15 years. In my class of 2005, we had 2 fail step 1 out of a class of 105.


To answer your question, yes I do feel the quality of the students at the carribean have something to do with its lower pass rates.

The fact of the matter is the carribean is notorious for letting people in who either haven't taken the MCAT (Ross used to be this way as is SABA still this way) or who didn't pass it. The standards and expectations are not as high as the US schools in getting in and a lot of times they do their weeding out after rather then being selective in the pre acceptance stages.

I do believe that while the curricula has some play in how a person does the fact that the overall applicant pool may be more competitive will have a great impact on things.
 
To answer your question, yes I do feel the quality of the students at the carribean have something to do with its lower pass rates.

The fact of the matter is the carribean is notorious for letting people in who either haven't taken the MCAT (Ross used to be this way as is SABA still this way) or who didn't pass it. The standards and expectations are not as high as the US schools in getting in and a lot of times they do their weeding out after rather then being selective in the pre acceptance stages.

I do believe that while the curricula has some play in how a person does the fact that the overall applicant pool may be more competitive will have a great impact on things.

Yeah it does play a role-- I forgot to put that in my original statement.
 
has any1 heard from UM-Miami (not Boca) recently on interview invites?
 
Where is everybody? Oh Florida schools what are you up to!
 
Is anybody here expecting to hear from USF tomorrow?
 
Yeah it does play a role-- I forgot to put that in my original statement.

Yeah another thing, while UF's a great school too I think the reason it might have slightly higher averages is because the people who go there tend to be the people who stastically have higher numbers then USF or Umiami. I don't know much about Umiami but USF's original picks before waitlist movements are people with higher numbers but those people often don't come to USF because of a desire to go to a more known program. I wonder how the stats would change if people making up the class were those getting accepted right away and no waitlist applicants got in. There avg's would probably be higher in terms of acceptance averages. I have to wonder if it would or would not have an impact on board score averages too if USMLE and MCAT scores are truly positively correlated as some believe to be the case.
 
Yeah another thing, while UF's a great school too I think the reason it might have slightly higher averages is because the people who go there tend to be the people who stastically have higher numbers then USF or Umiami. I don't know much about Umiami but USF's original picks before waitlist movements are people with higher numbers but those people often don't come to USF because of a desire to go to a more known program. I wonder how the stats would change if people making up the class were those getting accepted right away and no waitlist applicants got in. There avg's would probably be higher in terms of acceptance averages. I have to wonder if it would or would not have an impact on board score averages too if USMLE and MCAT scores are truly positively correlated as some believe to be the case.

From what I've read on these boards, the studies that people quote show only a faint statistically significant correlation with the verbal section? I find that pretty surprising. Having taken both the MCAT and Steps 1-3, the two types of tests are completely different. The MCAT allows you to reason through some of the questions. Not to say that the USMLE doesnt, but the amount and depth of material you have to know for it is above and beyond anything youd need to know for the MCAT. I know a few people who aced the SATs and MCAT, and when they got to med school, were just floored with the sheer amount of material. Vice versa, some above average people end up doing pretty stellar.

I dont know the stats of the FL schools, but I cant imagine the 1 to 3 points (whatever it is) that UF's MCAT average might have on the other schools would significantly impact the Step 1 avg of the class.
 
I know someone who scored a 23 on their mcat, was still accepted into MD school, and then put up the highest step 1 score in the class.
 
Can I ask you guys to say a little prayer for me. University of Miami at FAU meets today to make a decision regarding my fate. I fell in love with everything about UMMSM-FAU and am hoping to God that I get accepted.
Thanks
 
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