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[schmoob]

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If my tone came off as aggressive I apologize, but I stand by every word.

I am not the least bit hurt when people tease me for rejected from Harvard not only because I'm an adult, but because I wouldn't have gone there had I gotten in. I am very proud to be attending my state school.

To be fair, we don't know how Touro will turn out, but you can't deny that it is building its class from a pool of applicants who didn't get in elsewhere. Who knows, maybe there are 110 people out there who are good applicants, just applied too late for other schools, and are willing to attend a school not yet accredited rather than wait until next cycle. I'm not worried over the lack of quality of the school or its dentists. I'm worried about the number of dentists with enormous debt burdens who will end up working for corporate, regardless of which new, unnecessary school they attended. The patients are going to suffer most and you can't say that's not true with a straight face.

I cannot even begin to fathom an encounter where someone would legitimately make fun of someone for NOT getting into Harvard. "You didn't get into Harvard? You're an IDIOT! Hey everyone! Check out the guy who didn't get into Harvard!"
Bro, who are you friends with? Time to reevaluate that social circle.
You never know, you may even end up friends with other dentists who will have graduated from *gasp,* Touro!

 

[Incis0r]

I cannot even begin to fathom an encounter where someone would legitimately make fun of someone for NOT getting into Harvard.

I met a few recent grads from Harvard.
I shared my profile with them and they encouraged me to apply.
I said that while it is a great program, given what I know about Harvard's focus as a whole, it just doesn't match what I'm looking for.
They were not happy.
They were even less happy when I named a certain private school that is really strong that I'd be applying to - they were upset here because it was "less prestigious" than Harvard (they had asked me "well where are you going to apply if not Harvard?").

These people- people who think a Harvard education is everything- do exist.

 

[Scumbag_Steve]

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[nateriver]

I know this is beating a dead horse, but UCSF also doesn't require OChem II. Only 1 OChem and 1 Biochem.

honestly ochem isn't even bad, id much rather not have to take physics lol

 

[nateriver]

I met a few recent grads from Harvard.
I shared my profile with them and they encouraged me to apply.
I said that while it is a great program, given what I know about Harvard's focus as a whole, it just doesn't match what I'm looking for.
They were not happy.
They were even less happy when I named a certain private school that is really strong that I'd be applying to - they were upset here because it was "less prestigious" than Harvard (they had asked me "well where are you going to apply if not Harvard?").

These people- people who think a Harvard education is everything- do exist.

what school? just wondering lol you don't have to share if you don't want too lmao

 

[Incis0r]

honestly ochem isn't even bad, id much rather not have to take physics lol

Yeah I agree.

 

[tooth knockn]

Touro's first class is going to consist almost entirely of students unable to get in any other dental school. That's 100+ students a year that will potentially be graduating as dentists that were found to be less than qualified by every other dental school out there. Dilution of the profession by people unable to qualify under any other circumstance should absolutely be a concern, as should a school that's run purely as a business strategy to maximize profits and not to address any sort of need.

If the opening of Touro doesn't concern you, chances are it's because lowering the barrier to entry is to your advantage.

there is some truth to this

there is also ignorance to this

and arrogance to this

this, your statement.

 

[FeralisExtremum]

there is some truth to this

there is also ignorance to this

and arrogance to this

this, your statement.

 

[Scumbag_Steve]

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[tarheel616]

Tooth knockn that is some deep s**t right there... Touro material fo' show, fo' show material Touro, Touro material low show

 

[tooth knockn]

Touro's first class is going to consist almost entirely of students unable to get in any other dental school. That's 100+ students a year that will potentially be graduating as dentists that were found to be less than qualified by every other dental school out there. Dilution of the profession by people unable to qualify under any other circumstance should absolutely be a concern, as should a school that's run purely as a business strategy to maximize profits and not to address any sort of need.

If the opening of Touro doesn't concern you, chances are it's because lowering the barrier to entry is to your advantage.

Would you care to point out the ignorance for us?

the bold text is ignorance portion

There was a very smart girl who wanted to go OOS, and was interviewed, She said she was accepted to almost all florida Schools. . . .

Touro will be very advanced, technologically and technically, students will be trained in environments more common in real life scenarios, hence the clinical setting with assistants .

Touro maximizing profits? really feralis, you are book smart, be nice and stay in your lane . . . How is 110 seats at 70K a year per seat going to be profitable, if they accept students whom are not ready? If students drop out, then where is the maximizing of profits?

By the way, They will offer tutoring.

 

[tooth knockn]

Tooth knockn that is some deep s**t right there... Touro material fo' show, fo' show material Touro, Touro material low show

Tooth knockn no likey

 

[tarheel616]

the bold text is ignorance portion

There was a very smart girl who wanted to go OOS, and was interviewed, She said she was accepted to almost all florida Schools. . . .

Touro will be very advanced, technologically and technically, students will be trained in environments more common in real life scenarios, hence the clinical setting with assistants .

Touro maximizing profits? really feralis, you are book smart, be nice and stay in your lane . . . How is 110 seats at 70K a year per seat going to be profitable, if they accept students whom are not ready? If students drop out, then where is the maximizing of profits?

By the way, They will offer tutoring.

Sounds to me like you accepted the Kool Aid they offered and drank a little too much...

 

[tooth knockn]

Sounds to me like you accepted the Kool Aid they offered and drank a little too much...

funny

they had water and coffee . .. . and some yummy healthy sandwiches . .. .

Kool aid . . .. that is still being made?

geez

 

[FeralisExtremum]

There was a very smart girl who wanted to go OOS, and was interviewed, She said she was accepted to almost all florida Schools. . . .

The exception that proves the rule.

Touro will be very advanced, technologically and technically, students will be trained in environments more common in real life scenarios, hence the clinical setting with assistants .

Sounds like you really drank their koolaid.

Touro maximizing profits? really feralis, you are book smart, be nice and stay in your lane . . .

I am staying in my lane, that's why I turned their full scholarship offer down.

How is 110 seats at 70K a year per seat going to be profitable, if they accept students whom are not ready? If students drop out, then where is the maximizing of profits?

Why would you assume Touro would hold its students to a high standard when it comes to passing them? It certainly isn't when it comes to admitting them.

By the way, They will offer tutoring.

Judging by the students they're interviewing, they're going to need to.

 

[tooth knockn]

The exception that proves the rule.



Sounds like you really drank their koolaid.



I am staying in my lane, that's why I turned their full scholarship offer down.



Why would you assume Touro would hold its students to a high standard when it comes to passing them? It certainly isn't when it comes to admitting them.



Judging by the students they're interviewing, they're going to need to.

you just trying to be a wise guy. . ..



smarty pants will always have a smart response, but i stated the facts.

 

[tarheel616]

The exception that proves the rule.



Sounds like you really drank their koolaid.



I am staying in my lane, that's why I turned their full scholarship offer down.



Why would you assume Touro would hold its students to a high standard when it comes to passing them? It certainly isn't when it comes to admitting them.



Judging by the students they're interviewing, they're going to need to.

What you just did to tooth knockn (the 76er) is equivalent to what Curry has been doing to the NBA this whole year...

 

[schmoob]

@FeralisExtremum

First, let me start by saying thank you. I owe you a lot, as do many others. Not just dental applicants, but your notes provide a comprehensive review of material to be used in many college classes. In fact, I've referred folks who have other aspirations outside of dentistry to your notes and they love them. You likely changed national trends, by yourself. That's a big deal.
Now to the real stuff.
I applied to Touro. I am not a strong APPLICANT. However I have a lot of other factors that stand out. I do not have the time to keep applying. I am intelligent, albeit with a low GPA. My DAT was ok. I got a 20AA, but I did not have the time to dedicate to studying because I work full time, am married, and have kids. Not only do I work full time, but I work hard on being a real father. My children deserve it. They are young and wait for me to come home all day, it's not fair for me to come home from work, say hi, and lock myself in a room to study all the time and ignore my family to study in all my off time. My wife deserves her husband. How long can she be ignored while I work full time and study full time? Work-life-school balance is difficult but I do my best.
Yes, I understand the demand of dental school. I will be immersed in studying and clinic. But I need to balance. I am also making up for a terrible GPA in college from almost 15 years ago. I wish i was as mature as most of you back then, but i was not. I am suffering now because i dug myself into a very deep hole. Its my own fault, but just because i was immature back then, that does not mean i am not intelligent enough to do well in dental school now. I'm in a very tight spot. The opening of this school provides me an opportunity.
I won't argue and say that "you're wrong and stupid," there is definitely truth to what you say. There are some people who have no business becoming dentists applying here. But NOT everyone who would enroll in Touro would be a bad dentist. In fact, I pulled a 26RC score on my DATs. It's not all that impressive to many, but I'm proud of it.
I have my opinions on toothknockn, but I will respectfully ask that if you disagree with him, that you do so without making anyone who applied to Touro feel like a piece of crap. If he posts his weird postings, most of us are laughing more at his postings than the responses of others.
Not every grad from this school will be bad. Think about it this way, it's easy to shine in the dark.
I'm not saying I'm some shining beacon of hope or anything, but there WILL be intelligent, capable students who will smoke their NBDE's, and become great dentists from this school, just like every other school.
Again, thank you for your contributions to dentistry and science. I really mean it.

@tooth knockn
You are dedicated, you have perseverance, and you know what you want. Good for you.
But dude, you really need to take a deep breath before you post. Your postings have a lot of ramblings and some of them just plain don't make sense or are blatantly wrong.
You're an outspoken Touro advocate, which is cool. But when your postings come out the way they do, they associate you with Touro and vice-versa.
That is not good.
I hope your interview went well and that you achieve your dreams. Just keep in mind that dentistry is not just teeth, but communication.

 

[tooth knockn]

@FeralisExtremum

First, let me start by saying thank you. I owe you a lot, as do many others. Not just dental applicants, but your notes provide a comprehensive review of material to be used in many college classes. In fact, I've referred folks who have other aspirations outside of dentistry to your notes and they love them. You likely changed national trends, by yourself. That's a big deal.
Now to the real stuff.
I applied to Touro. I am not a strong APPLICANT. However I have a lot of other factors that stand out. I do not have the time to keep applying. I am intelligent, albeit with a low GPA. My DAT was ok. I got a 20AA, but I did not have the time to dedicate to studying because I work full time, am married, and have kids. Not only do I work full time, but I work hard on being a real father. My children deserve it. They are young and wait for me to come home all day, it's not fair for me to come home from work, say hi, and lock myself in a room to study all the time and ignore my family to study in all my off time. My wife deserves her husband. How long can she be ignored while I work full time and study full time? Work-life-school balance is difficult but I do my best.
Yes, I understand the demand of dental school. I will be immersed in studying and clinic. But I need to balance. I am also making up for a terrible GPA in college from almost 15 years ago. I wish i was as mature as most of you back then, but i was not. I am suffering now because i dug myself into a very deep hole. Its my own fault, but just because i was immature back then, that does not mean i am not intelligent enough to do well in dental school now. I'm in a very tight spot. The opening of this school provides me an opportunity.
I won't argue and say that "you're wrong and stupid," there is definitely truth to what you say. There are some people who have no business becoming dentists applying here. But NOT everyone who would enroll in Touro would be a bad dentist. In fact, I pulled a 26RC score on my DATs. It's not all that impressive to many, but I'm proud of it.
I have my opinions on toothknockn, but I will respectfully ask that if you disagree with him, that you do so without making anyone who applied to Touro feel like a piece of crap. If he posts his weird postings, most of us are laughing more at his postings than the responses of others.
Not every grad from this school will be bad. Think about it this way, it's easy to shine in the dark.
I'm not saying I'm some shining beacon of hope or anything, but there WILL be intelligent, capable students who will smoke their NBDE's, and become great dentists from this school, just like every other school.
Again, thank you for your contributions to dentistry and science. I really mean it.

@tooth knockn
You are dedicated, you have perseverance, and you know what you want. Good for you.
But dude, you really need to take a deep breath before you post. Your postings have a lot of ramblings and some of them just plain don't make sense or are blatantly wrong.
You're an outspoken Touro advocate, which is cool. But when your postings come out the way they do, they associate you with Touro and vice-versa.
That is not good.
I hope your interview went well and that you achieve your dreams. Just keep in mind that dentistry is not just teeth, but communication.

i don't like that you brought me into that but .. . .

amen .. . .

I feel ya .. .

you are right . ...

 

[schmoob]

i don't like that you brought me into that but .. . .

amen .. . .

I feel ya .. .

you are right . ...

I understand. I wasn't trying to be a jerk, but not gonna sugarcoat it.
Keep pushing, just like I will keep pushing and we will reach our goals eventually.

 

[Scumbag_Steve]

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[Scumbag_Steve]

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[AwfulEverything]

Just two because I'll get fat.

 

[member 1989]

The exception that proves the rule.



Sounds like you really drank their koolaid.



I am staying in my lane, that's why I turned their full scholarship offer down.



Why would you assume Touro would hold its students to a high standard when it comes to passing them? It certainly isn't when it comes to admitting them.



Judging by the students they're interviewing, they're going to need to.

Everyone thinks Touro is bringing down the dental field...No its people like this...

 

[ncide]

Everyone thinks Touro is bringing down the dental field...No its people like this...

It's a toxic attitude that breeds contempt for fellow colleagues.

 

[ncide]

Judging by the students they're interviewing, they're going to need to.

Excuse me?

I was in the honors program at my school and was working part time in a research lab while also taking rigorous science courses. I then worked 50 hours a week and volunteered in the field of dentistry while also studying for the DAT on the weekends. I did reasonably well, and I am sure many applicants will say the same.

Stop with this petty attitude of disregard and evaluate your respect for others.

 

[Scumbag_Steve]

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[ncide]

I don't think there is any need for anyone to be condescending on this thread and that's why I've done my best to come off as neutral, but to say dentistry isn't adversely affected by new private schools isn't exactly accurate. I do agree that we should all show each other respect of the schools we attend.

A few weeks ago I saw 2000 patients that could not afford dental care and many could only have a few of their problems addressed. There are many patients that need access to dental care if they can afford it. We need to address this issue. Many are not being seen.

And in fact, this school is more affordable or as affordable as many of the established public schools that I have applied to.

 

[Advance]

Excuse me?

I was in the honors program at my school and was working part time in a research lab while also taking rigorous science courses. I then worked 50 hours a week and volunteered in the field of dentistry while also studying for the DAT on the weekends. I did reasonably well, and I am sure many applicants will say the same.

Stop with this petty attitude of disregard and evaluate your respect for others.

You don't need to prove yourself to him or anyone else on SDN. The only opinion that matters is the opinion of the adcoms.
You're going to be a great dentist 😉

 

[Scumbag_Steve]

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[capnamerica]

Who is responsible for approving the opening of new dental schools? The ADA?

 

[JLT223]

Who is responsible for approving the opening of new dental schools? The ADA?

http://www.ada.org/en/coda

 

[PocketRocket]

As I wait for my flight, I'd like to say many things as I read through some of these comments but I see a bar and I would much rather get drunk instead

 

[schmoob]

CODA

 

[capnamerica]

http://www.ada.org/en/coda

Thanks. If CODA is part of the ADA as it would appear, its no wonder why an increasing number of members are leaving the organization. They're really dropping the ball on this one.

 

[Scumbag_Steve]

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[ncide]

It is not cheaper than any public school's in-state tuition. It is only cheaper than OOS public school tuition.

The only dental school in my state is the University of Washington, where the first year in-state tuition is $53,000 and the next couple of years is over $60,000. For the last several years tuition has continued to increased so those figures are not fixed.

 

[Scumbag_Steve]

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[FeralisExtremum]

Everyone thinks Touro is bringing down the dental field...No its people like this...

Excuse me?

I was in the honors program at my school and was working part time in a research lab while also taking rigorous science courses. I then worked 50 hours a week and volunteered in the field of dentistry while also studying for the DAT on the weekends. I did reasonably well, and I am sure many applicants will say the same.

Stop with this petty attitude of disregard and evaluate your respect for others.

Both of you are holding 0 acceptances, so I'm not surprised you're trying to indirectly defend Touro by coming at me. Work hard enough to be qualified applicants and you won't need to worry about public perception of Touro...because you won't end up needing to go there.

 

[Scumbag_Steve]

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[Incis0r]

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[ncide]

Both of you are holding 0 acceptances, so I'm not surprised you're trying to indirectly defend Touro by coming at me. Work hard enough to be qualified applicants and you won't need to worry about public perception of Touro...because you won't end up needing to go there.

Yeah, I don't have any acceptances yet, that's true.

But that's not what I was talking about...

I didn't like the hostility that was directed towards the applicants of the school. Everyone has a story, and to just disregard them and marginalize their intelligence was something I found upsetting. We heard a story about a guy who has a family who's juggled school to make his family have a better life, and to hear that people like him, who've applied to touro, get called out for needing tutors to get by was so distasteful. Come on!

 

[NutritionIllinois]

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[NutritionIllinois]

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[ajj70]

One last thing.. sorry for the triple post haha. Why don't dental school rankings exist? Schools for most other healthcare professions are ranked by US News etc..

Because more often than not, these kinds of rankings are not based on any real substance and are meaningless.

The exception that proves the rule.



Sounds like you really drank their koolaid.



I am staying in my lane, that's why I turned their full scholarship offer down.



Why would you assume Touro would hold its students to a high standard when it comes to passing them? It certainly isn't when it comes to admitting them.



Judging by the students they're interviewing, they're going to need to.

I just want to point out that you were offered a full ride, whats to say that other highly qualified students were not offered the same and that the new class will have some exceptional stats? How do you know who they are interviewing? I would also venture a guess that if I did a search back when each new school opened over the past 10+ years, there would be a similar thread, keeping in mind that many "established" schools, aka state schools, have far worse stats than most of the new schools. People choose their schools for a variety of reasons, cost being the deciding factor in many cases. Personally, committing to a school that hasn't released projected costs for years 2-4 would not be a risk I would be willing to take and maybe they are giving that information out during interviews, but the first year costs are very attractive. I personally have not desire to live in NYC and would not apply there or NYU for that reason. I also know of several very incompetent dentists that graduated from "top" dental schools, including schools like UNC, so it's not an exclusive phenomenon to new schools.

 

[joemario]

i go to fairly well known dental school. BUT i made a wrong choice by choosing by name. And now Im in a debt that i don't even want to think about...and I had a cheaper option which I'm am regretting.
My advice: choose the least expensive one you can! No matter where you are studying, you are the one to decide your future! Ppl in my class just try to barely pass to get the degree which I am not fan of.
Gluck everyone!!

 

[NutritionIllinois]

The exception that proves the rule.



Sounds like you really drank their koolaid.



I am staying in my lane, that's why I turned their full scholarship offer down.



Why would you assume Touro would hold its students to a high standard when it comes to passing them? It certainly isn't when it comes to admitting them.



Judging by the students they're interviewing, they're going to need to.

You also wrote: "Touro's first class is going to consist almost entirely of students unable to get in any other dental school. That's 100+ students a year that will potentially be graduating as dentists that were found to be less than qualified by every other dental school out there. Dilution of the profession by people unable to qualify under any other circumstance should absolutely be a concern."

It is one thing to discuss the saturation of dentistry. It is another to assume that students who will attend Touro are dumb and therefore need to be tutored. Look at how many people apply to dental school now and compare it to 10-20 years ago. The number of applicants has drastically increased, and when that happens there are more applicants with higher GPAs and DAT scores as well. There are many students not getting into dental school now and reapplicants who would have been admitted 10-20 years ago. Were the people admitted back then unqualified? The average DAT for first time ENROLLEES in 2000: 18.5AA and 18.3TS. TABLE 12: http://www.adea.org/publications/li...choolApplicantsEnrollees2010EnteringClass.xls

Even if your assumption is true that the only people who would go there have no other alternative, your conclusion that they are unqualified is based on faulty logic. You assume that all current dental schools admit precisely the top qualified people. I guess you also assume that every applicant who is not admitted applied to and was rejected by every dental school, thereby rendering them unworthy applicants by this perfect process. You further assume that the remainder is unqualified...that there happens to be the exact amount of seats available to be filled with qualified applicants, and that the left overs are unqualified. Taking your logic to an extreme, if Harvard were the only dental school, you would not be fit to become a dentist as that school rejected you. You would just be an applicant "found to be less than qualified by every other dental school out there." That is absurd.

 

[Bernie Sanders]

This thread is pathetic.

 

[Incis0r]

i go to fairly well known dental school. BUT i made a wrong choice by choosing by name. And now Im in a debt that i don't even want to think about...and I had a cheaper option which I'm am regretting.
My advice: choose the least expensive one you can! No matter where you are studying, you are the one to decide your future! Ppl in my class just try to barely pass to get the degree which I am not fan of.
Gluck everyone!!

This is very important advice for everyone to hear.
Thanks for your input.

 

[Incis0r]

committing to a school that hasn't released projected costs for years 2-4 would not be a risk I would be willing to take and maybe they are giving that information out during interviews, but the first year costs are very attractive.

10/10 agree with this.