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Does the opening of Touro make you worry about the future of dentistry?

  • It most definitely does. How could it not?

    Votes: 60 32.6%

  • Maybe a little bit

    Votes: 60 32.6%

  • No, because we need more dentists

    Votes: 20 10.9%

  • Definitely not, everybody and their mother deserves a chance to be accepted to dental school

    Votes: 44 23.9%
  • Total voters
    184
NutritionIllinois said:
You also wrote: "Touro's first class is going to consist almost entirely of students unable to get in any other dental school. That's 100+ students a year that will potentially be graduating as dentists that were found to be less than qualified by every other dental school out there. Dilution of the profession by people unable to qualify under any other circumstance should absolutely be a concern."

It is one thing to discuss the saturation of dentistry. It is another to assume that students who will attend Touro are dumb and therefore need to be tutored. Look at how many people apply to dental school now and compare it to 10-20 years ago. The number of applicants has drastically increased, and when that happens there are more applicants with higher GPAs and DAT scores as well. There are many students not getting into dental school now and reapplicants who would have been admitted 10-20 years ago. Were the people admitted back then unqualified? The average DAT for first time ENROLLEES in 2000: 18.5AA and 18.3TS. TABLE 12: http://www.adea.org/publications/li...choolApplicantsEnrollees2010EnteringClass.xls

Even if your assumption is true that the only people who would go there have no other alternative, your conclusion that they are unqualified is based on faulty logic. You assume that all current dental schools admit precisely the top qualified people. I guess you also assume that every applicant who is not admitted applied to and was rejected by every dental school, thereby rendering them unworthy applicants by this perfect process. You further assume that the remainder is unqualified...that there happens to be the exact amount of seats available to be filled with qualified applicants, and that the left overs are unqualified. Taking your logic to an extreme, if Harvard were the only dental school, you would not be fit to become a dentist as that school rejected you. You would just be an applicant "found to be less than qualified by every other dental school out there." That is absurd..
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The fact of the matter is that there are applicants who hope Touro is their saving grace because they have not been accepted. Does this mean every application sent to Touro is from a student of this nature? No. However, it would be ignorant to think that this isn't the case. I'm sure plenty of qualified applicants are being interviewed.
 
PocketRocket said:
It really shows who is who
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"Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power."
-Abraham Lincoln

In this case, power refers to people with extremely high GPA/DAT scores who have the power to choose from multiple dental schools. You can see their character based on how they treat potential future colleagues who might not have the same range of options they have.
 
JLT223 said:
The fact of the matter is that there are applicants who hope Touro is their saving grace because they have not been accepted. Does this mean every application sent to Touro is from a student of this nature? No. However, it would be ignorant to think that this isn't the case. I'm sure plenty of qualified applicants are being interviewed. .
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My only point was that people interviewing there are not necessarily unqualified to be dentists, even if you assume that all people who enroll in Touro were not admitted anywhere else. Plenty of qualified people are rejected every year due to limited spaces. It seems some people interviewing there have their first interview invite there, while others have had multiple interviews and are waiting to see if/when they are admitted. It is risky to go to a new school and I suspect most would pick another school if given an option. But that does not translate into its anticipated enrollees being unqualified as that other poster implied. Nor does it mean Touro will not be an excellent dental school.
 
rxdmx372 said:
I think the fact that it's getting more difficult to br accepted is a good thing and we shouldn't be reversing this trend. I do agree we shouldn't be belittling people but it doesn't mean we should let them in.
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Again, saturation is a different issue. If you think dentistry is at risk and that the lower portion of qualified applicants should not be admitted for the greater good of the profession, that is a good debatable point. I can see the point that Touro and possibly other new schools opening is not a good thing because of saturation. But if you think it should be more difficult to admit people because unqualified people will be admitted if Touro lets in an extra 100 students, I disagree. There are plenty of people with good enough statistics still looking to be admitted.
 
rxdmx372 said:
Great quote stealing that
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Why you little plagiarizing....

NutritionIllinois said:
My only point was that people interviewing there are not necessarily unqualified to be dentists, even if you assume that all people who enroll in Touro were not admitted anywhere else. Plenty of qualified people are rejected every year due to limited spaces. It seems some people interviewing there have their first interview invite there, while others have had multiple interviews and are waiting to see if/when they are admitted. It is risky to go to a new school and I suspect most would pick another school if given an option. But that does not translate into its anticipated enrollees being unqualified as that other poster implied. Nor does it mean Touro will not be an excellent dental school. .
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This is where my thoughts lie too. You have excellent logic. The real test of qualification as a dentist is with the NBDE Part I and II, and with the NERB/WREB/SRTA/etc.

The (tough) job of dental school admissions is to identify people who will bring something positive to a cohort/to their class, who will be passionate about the field, and who could complete the rigorous program. The job of the standardized exams is to level the playing field and determine who is best qualified as a candidate.
 
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@FeralisExtremum .
feral is has no full ride people .. . there is no proof . ..

there is no proof of saturation of dentists.. . .

there is no proof a new school is a bad thing. .. .

NYC has multiple boroughs and long island and staten island . .. . Westchester is pretty far from the city for those whom do not own cars. . .

I like @Incis0r his quote thing with Abe lincoln . .. . very true. . . Some intelligent individuals are very humane and uplifting while others are very opposite of that . .. .If Feral and other smart people are acting this way online, displaying there true uncensored self .. . .I can't imagine how fake they are in person to appear normal or as a good individual . ...


I wouldn't want @FeralisExtremum as my dentist.... maybe I would like him as a manager to manage disgruntled employees.

Go Touro .. . .

Modern, New Dental school
 
tooth knockn said:
@FeralisExtremum .
feral is has no full ride people .. . there is no proof . ..

there is no proof of saturation of dentists.. . .

there is no proof a new school is a bad thing. .. .

NYC has multiple boroughs and long island and staten island . .. . Westchester is pretty far from the city for those whom do not own cars. . .

I like @Incis0r his quote thing with Abe lincoln . .. . very true. . . Some intelligent individuals are very humane and uplifting while others are very opposite of that . .. .If Feral and other smart people are acting this way online, displaying there true uncensored self .. . .I can't imagine how fake they are in person to appear normal or as a good individual . ...


I wouldn't want @FeralisExtremum as my dentist.... maybe I would like him as a manager to manage disgruntled employees.

Go Touro .. . .

Modern, New Dental school
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Yonkers, which is in Westchester, is roughly two miles away from the NYC border. There is no need for a new school in Westchester County. I've lived there my entire life. I'm not putting the school down, there just isn't a need.
 
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JLT223 said:
Yonkers, which is in Westchester, is roughly two miles away from the NYC border. There is no need for a new school in Westchester County. I've lived there my entire life. I'm not putting the school down, there just isn't a need.
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I'm a fellow Westchesterite, and I don't have any issues with touro opening there. Grew up here, moved back here to work.
 
Since when is the location of a school a problem when it comes to "saturation"?
 
Ladies and gentlemen, schools can charge whatever they want because they have a line of desperate biology majors salivating over the oprotundity to take out half a million dollars for a DDS degree. This is almost unavoidable for people to take out these loans, and for schools to charge that much for them, schools can get away with it. It is simple economics, demand is huge, and this is a fairly inelastic good these Dschools are selling . The only way this gluttony will stop is to get the government out of student loans. Even then, students with a worthless bio degree will still seek out private loans, but this may deter 20% of students.
 
All I'm saying is a state like Delaware needs a dental school more than New York. I understand there are millions of more people in NY, but what about the people in Delaware who can't afford care and lack a school to go to?
 
JLT223 said:
All I'm saying is a state like Delaware needs a dental school more than New York. I understand there are millions of more people in NY, but what about the people in Delaware who can't afford care and lack a school to go to?
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Attending school in NY doesn't mean you have to stay there and practice. How many people that attend NYU stay in NYC and practice? Not to mention that there are over 200 clinics in the NYC area that are certified as undeserved areas, many of them ranking 22, 23 on a 25 point scale as being needy (25 being the most needy).
 
ajj70 said:
Attending school in NY doesn't mean you have to stay there and practice. How many people that attend NYU stay in NYC and practice? Not to mention that there are over 200 clinics in the NYC area that are certified as undeserved areas, many of them ranking 22, 23 on a 25 point scale as being needy (25 being the most needy).
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You completely missed my point. There are areas without under-served clinics and no dental school within 100 miles. People in the NYC area have options. People in under-served states dont. People within the population go to dental schools because the care is *often* more cost effective.
 
fyi
my friend who interviewed here said tuition is $50000 and will not increase more than 5% per year.
1yr $50000, 2nd $52500, 3rd $55125, 4th $57881 i guess.

and also place is pretty isolated so town probably benefits by having dental school and hospitals are right next to the school so i guess patients shouldn't be issue too.
 
JLT223 said:
You completely missed my point. There are areas without under-served clinics and no dental school within 100 miles. People in the NYC area have options. People in under-served states dont. People within the population go to dental schools because the care is *often* more cost effective.
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Ok, you were talking patients..in the Deleware area, there are 83 areas listed as underserved, you also have from Dover, Maryland Dental School, Penn, and Howard within 100 miles, plus NYU and Virgina on public transportation routes 200 miles away. Not everyone is going to live within easy walking distance of a dental school. I have NO dental schools within 100 miles of my house and 1 dental school within 200 miles, the next closest is almost 300 miles. There is more need in the NYC vicinity than Delaware. I'd personally rather have a school in DE, especially if that was in a smaller town, but I'm not typical in that regard and look how many people here seriously consider going to a school like NYU, paying $200,000+ because they don't want to go to a school "in the middle of nowhere"
 
rxdmx372 said:
You're right, comparatively dead, but you know better than I do that it's not a rural underserved area and it's very misleading for people to suggest that it is. You are right, it's happening whether it's good for the profession or not.

Also, Nanuet is the closest White Castle to Connecticut. I've driven an hour and 45 mins there more than once
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Nanuet white Castle is GODLY.
 
rxdmx372 said:
Delaware is so small that I don't know if a state school there would work. The population center of Delaware is basically suburban Philly, but if they put the school in Newark or Wilmington or Dover even, they could have rotations elsewhere. Does Delaware get prefers status de admissions for Temple Rutgers or Maryland?
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Not sure about dental but pre meds get seats saved for them at Jefferson in Philly.
 
White castle vs. Wendys vs. Burger King. Which is the best?
 
How did this go from condescending rants to a chat about fast food? Also, Feralis may be harsh but he makes good points. He worked his ass off to get where he is and if other people didn't work as hard why be super nice to them? I'm impatient and young and would like to get into dental school ASAP, so who am I to say anything. My stats are meh but I know what it takes to get better.
 
ajj70 said:
Attending school in NY doesn't mean you have to stay there and practice. How many people that attend NYU stay in NYC and practice? Not to mention that there are over 200 clinics in the NYC area that are certified as undeserved areas, many of them ranking 22, 23 on a 25 point scale as being needy (25 being the most needy).
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I think he meant having a state school would help the residents who can't afford treatment since they could have procedures done by dental students for less money.

edit - nvm, I should have kept reading before I posted haha
 
nonociceptors said:
I've never been either, but it doesn't have to be very good to beat Burger King and Wendy's 😉
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You tellin' me that Hershey Sundae Pie at Burger King doesn't make your mouth melt with happiness?

Advance said:
Whataburger.
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Never heard of this chain until now. Looked it up. Looks nice.
Unfortunately, not in my state. Why does TX get all the good stuff?
 
Incis0r said:
I've never been to one. Is it really THAT good?
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White castle is so greasy, but it fills you with delight. Its so damp and danky, but in a good way. Its the lover you wouldn't take home to your mother, but is irresistibly bad for you.

Burger King is always the safe bet.
 
GypsyHummus said:
White castle is so greasy, but it fills you with delight. Its so damp and danky, but in a good way. Its the lover you wouldn't take home to your mother, but is irresistibly bad for you.

Burger King is always the safe bet.
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Burger King is the one you put a ring on huh?
 
rxdmx372 said:
Where are you from that has shaped your perspective where you think Valhalla,NY is isolated?
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im from greenwich ct. my cousin lives in westchester county (larchmont) so i fairly know the area.

just curious, whats your definition of qualified applicant? you also mentioned about debt burden graduate are contributing for corporate dental, how do you know that??

i hope this questions dont irritate you. im just asking out of curiosity...
 
I just don't know why they can't get a D school someone other than New York. Like get a School Up in Idaho. Prime real estate, plus it would boost the economy there.
 
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