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The office said we have to wait till May for the list.
2009 DO Match Lists
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The office said we have to wait till May for the list.
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my boyfriend actually just matched there for pm&r. they have d.o.'s sprinkled in here and there. i actually thought there would be more though considering it's michigan...
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Touro-NV anyone ??? Or did the students have to make their own list like last year 🙄
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Yeah, but U of M doesn't really like to think of themselves as being in Michigan. 🙄
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Both AOA and ACGME Dermatology residencies are PGY 2-4
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but aren't ACGME linked?? IE - you see them on a match list??
They are no necessarily linked in that students who match Derm via ACGME must apply and complete a Prelim Med/Surg or Transitional year prior to starting derm residencies. There are some folks who matched into derm that will be doing internship with me.
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Do you match both at the same time then?? Because I know that they are listed on MD match lists??? However, with DO you match transitional year first, then reapply to derm for PGY2??
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As far as I can tell, every program will go about this differently, and sometimes, there are several different ways to get to the same place.
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Does this mean that NOONE matched into Millcreek Medical Center's prestigious IM program??? Outstanding! Congrats on your match Archer, impressive!
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Maybe I'm drinking some DO kool-aid, but all the lists looked impressive. I'd be curious to know how many people from these schools (and those in traditional rotating internships) didn't match.
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ditto. I'm curious about EM, Surgery, ortho as well as urban vs rural matching.
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It's just like anything else that you are applying for you. I talked to a EM grad who did their residency at Yale. She said that some members of the healthcare team didn't do squat and she had to do all of the work herself. Granted doing a lot of procedures, etc, etc, etc, etc can help your learning and ability, but if it's excessive, it takes it's burden. It can prevent you from reviewing and learning what you really need to get from the program.
Not to be a jerk, but I must be missing something... what's so special about St. Luke's-Roosevelt? It's a large community hospital in NYC full of IMGs. It's not so competitive and it has a lot of "private attendings" that limit the autonomy of the interns/residents and force them to make "office calls" to track down their patient's attending to discuss the plan of care which just eats up their day. Good LECOM list overall, but not so sure about the hype on SLR.
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So, it teaches you to be a doctor? Its funny how I hear many new attendings talk about how they never got exposure to that side of things and how it is overwhelming for some of them but then when it does happen it isn't good. I get what you're saying, but still, the phrasing of it makes it sound bitter and frustrated, yet you're going to battle your entire life with trivial crap like that.
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The only St. Luke's-Roosevelt program I really know anything about is EM. One of my friends trained there, and she is one of the best young docs I know.I am assuming that Columbia makes an effort to put out a quality product at all their facilities, however. Maybe the IM program isn't under their umbrella? I really don't know.
But at any rate, they are a big hospital with a diverse patient population. The fact that they are full of IMG's doesn't seem relevant. It seems like it would be a great place to train for just about anything.
But at any rate, they are a big hospital with a diverse patient population. The fact that they are full of IMG's doesn't seem relevant. It seems like it would be a great place to train for just about anything.
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St. Luke's Roosevelt is a Columbia affiliate and they're not known for being the most competitive IM program, there are lot more places in NYC for that (like the actual NY Presbyterian - Columbia Campus). They're still a solid institution and offer some competitive programs in other areas. I can't tell you how the IM program itself is.
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Can someone point out some of the great matches in this list? It doesn't seem that impressive but I'm not familiar with Osteopathic residencies (I'm assuming the Orthos&ENT are Osteopathic).
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Generally speaking, great DO matches mean difficult or obscure specialties (derm, path, ophtho, rads, anesthesia, ENT, etc) at mostly University programs.
A less good DO match would be mostly family practice and IM at community hospitals with few University programs and few non-primary care specialties.
This is all relative though. A "bad" match list doesn't mean that a school sucks. It could just mean that the students in that particular class had a strong primary care focus that year, for whatever reason. Many students prefer Community programs for other reasons (i.e. Family, Safety, etc).
The point is, for the most part, you can get any residency you want, if you work hard. If you really want to Hopkins Anesthesia residency, then go for it. If you're fine with Hospital X's anesthesia residency, that's fine too.
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its a good match list, I wouldnt call it stellar. Though it is heavy for california and if that is where you want to do residency, you need to consider a california school. It is very hard to get in there without going to shcool in cali. I won't say much more sinc emy shcool has yet to publish our list and it gives nothing for people to fire back at me with. (though from talking to people its heavy surgery, peds and em)
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My mother is a nurse oncology nurse at rosevelt and she told me that most of the Pathologists seem to be D.O.'s. (hope I have the right hospital,sleep deprived). I don't think she sees many DO's but then again she didn't even know that they were till I told her, because she used to mostly do home care.
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I don't think it's particularly hard, but it's not a popular DO (or MD for that matter) specialty, by any means.
Also, path is currently having some job market problems, which you'll see if you go check the path board, which might help deter applicants from the field and make it even easier for DO's to get path, if that's what they want.
I only know of 1 person in my class that wants path, but there may be more.
There could always be a big path upswing once the younger generation of docs graduates...those that were inspired by CSI and SVU...
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Although the location of the hospital is not indicated on the match list,given the large number of EM matches at this site it is likely the Mount Sinai Medical Center in Miami Beach which has a osteopathic EM program,and not affiliated with the hospital of similar name in NYC.
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NYC hospitals such as Mt. Sinai, NYU - Bellevue, Columbia - Presbyterian, Cornell - New York Hospital typically will not give a DO a fair shake with the exception of PMR, a field dominated by DO's, and pathology. St Lukes-Roosevelt EM program is a highly sought after program that does take one DO a year, the rest split from top level MD schools and local state schools. Other programs in the hospital are significantly less competitive then their columbia presbyterian counterparts. Well respected university hospitals in major cities on the coasts snub DO's. People who get in for things other then pmr, gas, and pathology are few and far and are at the top of their classes.
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For EM, St. Luke's-Roosevelt has a much higher patient volume than Presbyterian. It isn't even close.
And my friend who trained there has told me that she isn't aware of an bias against DO's.
And my friend who trained there has told me that she isn't aware of an bias against DO's.
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I agree, I think you misread my post. Some would argue that the program at SLR is the true Columbia EM program - the rest of SLR's residency programs are not on par with Columbia - Pres.
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Can someone post the KCUMB 2009 match list. Thanks.
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I know of one guy in their Anesthesia Program. Did his Trad Year in my hospital.
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Self-reported, I'm not posting names, and locations go along with names, so here are the numbers who matched in each specialty:
Family Practice 21
Internal Medicine 17
Pediatrics 12
Emergency Medicine 11
OB/GYN 9
Traditional/Rotating 9
Orthopedic Surgery 7
Anesthesiology 7
Radiology 5
Psychiatry 5
Neurology 4
Pathology 4
PM&R 4
General Surgery 3
ENT 3
Neurosurgery 2
OMM/NMM 2
Med/Peds 2
Urology 1
Dermatology 1
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Family Practice 21
Internal Medicine 17
Pediatrics 12
Emergency Medicine 11
OB/GYN 9
Traditional/Rotating 9
Orthopedic Surgery 7
Anesthesiology 7
Radiology 5
Psychiatry 5
Neurology 4
Pathology 4
PM&R 4
General Surgery 3
ENT 3
Neurosurgery 2
OMM/NMM 2
Med/Peds 2
Urology 1
Dermatology 1
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Derm is Osteo/AOA-- Oakwood Southshore, Trenton MI
Only 129 students in your class?
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Since it's self-reported, students may have not responded yet.
digitlnoize criteria of harder specialties in University hospitals is what I would use as well. I would add specialties in desirable locations as well (Cali, NY, chicago) through the AMA match
Those that jumped out at me include
1 Anesthesia in CA, LLU (5 total)
1 Radiology in CA, UC Irvine (5 total)
23 Family and IM in CA
1 Neurology in CA, UCSD
2 OBGYN in CA, 1 in Chicago
6 Peds in CA including Stanford and USC
4 PM&R - Rush, BU, UMich
Path - Albert Einstein NY
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1 ENT
2 Ortho
6 GSurg
IMHO, if you want to do your residency in CA, it's hard to do better than that...it seems that it is much easier for DOs from Touro and Western to get a residency in CA.
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interesting ... is it med/derm??? Normally derm is reported on the match lists for AOA because it's unlinked transitional year -> PGY 2 derm.
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What about LECOM-B Match?
Agreed. I haven't had a chance to ask around for it yet...test on Thursday. Hopefully, I'll find out something by next week...
Or, someone else will beat me to it...
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Yes, not all have reported yet. There are ~160 in that class.
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Since it's self-reported, the person likely just reported the residency that ultimately mattered to them. In other words, Derm > Intern Year.
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True it's not MGH, but I talked to him and he said MGH flat out told him they would NEVER take a D.O. I know he had the goods to go there, but it's not gonna happen...at least for now
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I wonder if they know about the ones that work there:
http://www.massgeneral.org/search.aspx?q=DO&st=0&x=0&y=0#
That was just a quick search. Not exactly overwhelming numbers, but there's probably more that are incorrectly ID'd as MD's.
People can be so narrow minded and stupid, it's mind boggling.
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HaHa. Funny you mention that b/c he said the same thing. After they told him no DOs, he was like WTF?! You know you have some on staff right? Must've misssed that during the interview process...
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Ex: Michael Jaff, DO is the medical director (and program director) for MGH's Clinical Vascular Center and fellowship program. On his bio page it shows DO, but the GME page he's listed with an MD.
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Says he went to KCOM. He's a DO ... the GME page just listed it wrong. Happens a lot with hospitals.
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Maybe he was so good that KCOM gave him an MD degree.
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Nice. Very nice.
