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II!!!
WOOHOO! Sent a letter of interest beginning January, was complete September. This is for Jefferson Btw!
Haha dude...if you read my earlier posts you would realize that I am MORE than ready to be done with this and move on. And, NOTHING makes me think I'll get an II!....nothing at all...quite the contrary...I have no false hope of getting one...I'm not stupid. I'm just trying to see whether or not there's actually a prayer or not, because this last decision is, realistically, the only thing between me and moving on with figuring out my future...but I don't want to jump the gun on that whole moving on and changing the course of my life thing. And I know that 1/3 statistic already. And yes, if I were going to do the medical school applications thing a third time I realize I should already be getting ready, obviously. BUT screw that noise! Time for something new (AKA Grad school) if UVM doesn't give me an II.
You're going to rock the interview, don't worry. You've got a good attitude.
As for me, I'm getting depressed over a paper about depression...
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...and I'm usually a really happy, optimistic, upbeat person. I don't know about you, but I guess I don't like watching my future disintegrate right in front of me 🙁
EDIT: Rejected at Penn State today. My hope is dwindling.
Don't get me wrong, I was fairly upset and depressed from mid December (when I got my post interview rejection from top choice) till mid February. However, I realized that beating myself up about it won't help and I needed to learn from my mistakes and fix them before next cycle.
Look at the positives, you got 4+ interviews after applying late. Therefore there is nothing substantially damaging with your application. Your problem is likely something that can be fixed in a short amount of time (essays/interviewing skills). You may still get in this cycle, but don't beat yourself up if you don't. Look at it this way, you get an extra year off from the craziness of med school/residency and you can make the most of it. I am certainly planning my dream of traveling Europe next year if I don't get in this cycle. Helps with the panic 🙂
As much as I want to take a year off, my parents won't let me. They won't fund my medical education if I do because they are strongly against gap years.
I'm going to try for an SMP.
Do you know of any that accept MCAT over GRE? How about MPH programs? Google isn't helping 🙁
As much as I want to take a year off, my parents won't let me. They won't fund my medical education if I do because they are strongly against gap years.
I'm going to try for an SMP.
Do you know of any that accept MCAT over GRE? How about MPH programs? Google isn't helping 🙁
Yeah...I know exactly what you're saying. The other thing I forgot to mention, though, is that when I first applied during fall of my senior year in college, I got about 99.9% of the way through the first part of the process (AMCAS was done, had my LORs, and all the stuff done for my undergraduate pre-med committee...mock interview, letters, etc), but I never hit submit on my AMCAS application because the pre-med advisors told me I wouldn't be able to get in anywhere, and they were almost definitely right. They said boosting my GPA senior year (which I did, by a bit) and landing a great gap year position (which I also did, although it ended up being two years instead of one) and trying to raise my MCAT score (which I did...though not by as much as I had wanted) would help me get in the next time. And going to medical school right after college had been my ONLY plan...I didn't have a plan B...but I pulled myself up by my bootstraps and figured it out, and ended up having one of the most awesome experiences over the past two years, at the place I currently work. I've attended awesome conferences and gotten involved in and passionate about the field of personalized genetic medicine. So, with all my experience and some improvements to my numbers, I thought I had more of a chance this time around, but clearly that's not going to be the case. C'est la vie. Now, faced with a potentially clean slate ahead of me...for the SECOND time...I'm ready to try going in a different direction. I've had my time already to mature and gain that worldly experience. So now, I'm open to anything, including maybe deciding, like you did, that I do want to apply for medical school again after all...I'm not ruling it out completely, but I'm just saying that I don't necessarily expect it to be what I end up wanting, either, after I've tried something else. The further I've gotten through the past four years, the less I've gotten my heart set on a MD...so whatever the future brings, I guess I'll be as ready as I could ever be!Sometimes moving on is what makes the difference. I was waitlisted after 5 interviews the first time I applied. I felt like I waisted so much of my family's money. I was just so burnt out on the process that I completely gave up on medicine. I held a job for a while and went back to school for a master's, and I never really even planned on going back to medicine. It wasn't until during my master's when I realized I could take another swing at it. Taking that break allowed me to just take my mind off it and get refreshed and motivated again. Plus all the time allowed me to mature and gain worldly experience. Moving on with my life developed me into the person that was able to get motivated again, reapply and get accepted. Sometimes a new perspective is what it takes.
As much as I want to take a year off, my parents won't let me. They won't fund my medical education if I do because they are strongly against gap years.
I'm going to try for an SMP.
Do you know of any that accept MCAT over GRE? How about MPH programs? Google isn't helping 🙁
As much as I want to take a year off, my parents won't let me. They won't fund my medical education if I do because they are strongly against gap years.
I'm going to try for an SMP.
Do you know of any that accept MCAT over GRE? How about MPH programs? Google isn't helping 🙁
Huh, I did not know you were in that situation. You have a GPA which isn't spectacular, but is not low enough for SMP. These programs are also expensive, so you have to be aware of that. I think all traditional SMPs take MCAT, but you should check out each program or contact them.
As far as MPH, everything I read about them makes it seem like they are not particularly useful for MD admissions. Unless, of course, you are interested in MPH, then that is a fine alternative. I think some accept MCAT, you will have to look on the school website or contact them to find out.
My advice would be to talk to your parents about the gap year. Maybe they have a misconception about it? It's a great way to earn some money and experience and have enough free time to pursue other interests.
May I ask why your parents are so against a gap year? Few years ago, I was in the same boat--feeling not 100% ready to apply to school, but pressured and ultimately forced by my parents to give it a shot. I was ill prepared and honestly wasted a lot of time and money in that initial application. Having gone through multiple cycles, and done the "gap year", the "I'll apply immediately after the cycle", and finally the "take a few years off then apply" I can tell you that the gap year(s) for me were super helpful, and something I truly needed to get me where I am today.
For me, my gap year wasn't used to tangibly raise my stats or anything--I took a few classes here or there, but my GPA was basically static. I also re-took the MCAT, but that's more because my score had expired from the first time I took it 😛 For me, the gap year was a chance for me to take a step away from the craziness that is being a college pre-med, get into the "real" world, and a time where all of a sudden, I had to make conscious decisions and choices to pursue activities and opportunities that helped me pursue med school. Trying to work fulltime, support yourself, AND adding on things like volunteering, classes, shadowing, research--it's HARD. It will test you and I think through this, if you can come out on top, your application will be stronger, but tangibly in your list of accomplishments, but also intangibly in developing your character and perspective on the journey you're going to take to become a doctor. And heck, post-college life working fulltime is great. You can have some disposable income, make some money, and attempt to to save up for applications/school!
For me, the gap year was a chance for me to take a step away from the craziness that is being a college pre-med, get into the "real" world, and a time where all of a sudden, I had to make conscious decisions and choices to pursue activities and opportunities that helped me pursue med school. Trying to work fulltime, support yourself, AND adding on things like volunteering, classes, shadowing, research--it's HARD.
Just about to post my update letter to UVM's online applicant center...
"We have reviewed your application and regret to inform you that we cannot act favorably on your request for admission during the 2012-2013 admissions cycle.
Each year, the University of Vermont College of Medicine receives many more applications from individuals wanting to attend than we have spaces for in the first year class. The strength of our applicants continues to increase, making the job of final selection a challenging one.
We encourage you to consult with your pre-medical advisor or career counselor for assistance in evaluation of your file and the appropriate next steps.
We appreciate your interest in the University of Vermont College of Medicine and wish you the best in the future."
AND THAT'S ALL SHE WROTE FOLKS! See you in Grad school.
I'm so sorry to hear that. Best of luck!Just about to post my update letter to UVM's online applicant center...
"We have reviewed your application and regret to inform you that we cannot act favorably on your request for admission during the 2012-2013 admissions cycle.
Each year, the University of Vermont College of Medicine receives many more applications from individuals wanting to attend than we have spaces for in the first year class. The strength of our applicants continues to increase, making the job of final selection a challenging one.
We encourage you to consult with your pre-medical advisor or career counselor for assistance in evaluation of your file and the appropriate next steps.
We appreciate your interest in the University of Vermont College of Medicine and wish you the best in the future."
AND THAT'S ALL SHE WROTE FOLKS! See you in Grad school.
Haha...nope. I never even got a single II. All that's left is Tufts and SUNY (silences)...but supposedly SUNY's last interview was yesterday, and Tufts interview schedule is full, so the only II's that will go out for them from this point forward will be if people who already are scheduled for interviews give said interviews up. So basically...goodbye kids, and good luck!Sorry to hear that. Are you waiting on any post interview decisions or any interviews left?
OMG. PRRRREEEEACH. Preach it. THANK YOU, SO MUCH...seriously, physiologist, I really, really needed that...for real <3I'm so sorry to hear that. Best of luck!
It's a shame that medicine is so focused on stats when other factors correlate so much stronger with physician aptitude. Some of the best doctors I know barely got into med school, and strove to do well because they were so grateful after several tries.
It's their loss, honestly. It's a target that so much emphasis is placed on stats. It's also a shame that those with high stats who are doing it for the money also seem to be getting in left and right....
And the worst part is, past 26 MCAT and 3.5 gpa, there isn't even touch of a correlation at all between success in med school and stats.
OMG. PRRRREEEEACH. Preach it. THANK YOU, SO MUCH...seriously, physiologist, I really, really needed that...for real <3
GOOD LUCK TO YOU! You are going to be great, no matter what happens! Let's collaborate someday? Haha...I do the genetics research...you help me implement it and then use it for your patients...ready, set, GO!
OMG. PRRRREEEEACH. Preach it. THANK YOU, SO MUCH...seriously, physiologist, I really, really needed that...for real <3
GOOD LUCK TO YOU! You are going to be great, no matter what happens! Let's collaborate someday? Haha...I do the genetics research...you help me implement it and then use it for your patients...ready, set, GO!
Come to think of it, I could use a gap year job... Do you have any US connections?
Perhaps, why don't you send me a private message with your e-mail address and we can talk? I'm located in Boston, MA FYI.Come to think of it, I could use a gap year job... Do you have any US connections?
Perhaps, why don't you send me a private message with your e-mail address and we can talk? I'm located in Boston, MA FYI.
My guess is that it has less to do with you and more to do with the fact that you are Canadian. No offense, I like Canadians but based on the fact that most of these schools admit 2 or 3 international students a year the cards are stacked against youMy guess is that it has less to do with you and more to do with the fact that you are Canadian. No offense, I like Canadians but based on the fact that most of these schools admit 2 or 3 international students a year the cards are stacked against you.
I had two OOS interviews and I've thought about this a lot. The conclusion I came to is that schools probably do want you to some degree but I assume there is a spectrum. Just because they interview you doesn't mean they are ecstatic to have you. Maybe they are, but this would depend on the applicant. Just based on the numbers for Maryland last year, MSAR says they interviewed 11 international students and 1 matriculated. That means that maybe they offered 2 or 3 spots which is much lower than the number of offers they extend to US OOS applicants. You may be viewed as an OOS applicant but that doesn't necessarily mean the adcom isn't subconsciously bias on some level. The stats seem to indicate they are.
A lot of schools base their admissions on a rubric. If you hit a certain number you are admitted. Likewise, if you reach a certain threshold they will interview you. Just because you received an interview, doesn't mean you are on an even playing field with everyone else. I don't mean to be harsh at all, this is just what I've come to realize through my experiences this cycle. At the beginning I figured if I got an interview then the decision would be solely based on my interview but I think that is far from the reality of the situation.
Yeah but they almost always grant wait-lists post interview. If you get an actual rejection, doesn't that mean you REALLY messed up the interview?
Yeah but they almost always grant wait-lists post interview. If you get an actual rejection, doesn't that mean you REALLY messed up the interview?
Don't forget that it's late in the cycle, and even waitlists have a limit to the number of applicants that schools put on them. Obviously that varies significantly by school, but I'm sure it has an effect.
If I were you, I would refine my interview skills, but also know they weren't necessarily what the problem was here. Schools accept anywhere between 10% and 35% of there interviewees. I highly doubt that the remaining 65-90% (numbers in the hundreds per school) all bombed their interviews or were placed on waitlists.
Think this applies to people who received zero interviews too?Don't forget that it's late in the cycle, and even waitlists have a limit to the number of applicants that schools put on them. Obviously that varies significantly by school, but I'm sure it has an effect.
If I were you, I would refine my interview skills, but also know they weren't necessarily what the problem was here. Schools accept anywhere between 10% and 35% of there interviewees. I highly doubt that the remaining 65-90% (numbers in the hundreds per school) all bombed their interviews or were placed on waitlists.
Was very late in my application (Oct-Nov).10-35% is a rather low approximation..
I think that approximation is pretty accurate. Most of the schools I've interviewed at accept around 30% of their interviewees and then you have the super-selective schools like Harvard and Wash U that accept less than 10%.
no, its not accurate. most schools are almost exactly 50%. Harvard is around 15-20%. Definitely not less than 10%.
no, its not accurate. most schools are almost exactly 50%. Harvard is around 15-20%. Definitely not less than 10%.
I think that approximation is pretty accurate. Most of the schools I've interviewed at accept around 30% of their interviewees and then you have the super-selective schools like Harvard and Wash U that accept less than 10%.

17th rejection today
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Summary of my cycle
14 secondaries
10 pre-interview rejections
4 II
3 post-interview rejections
Waiting on this last school. My interviewer didn't seem too happy so I'll probably have to reapply next cycle 🙁
Accepted today. Panic over.
For those of you who need inspiration: 3ii, 1 hold, 1 priority WL (upgraded from normal WL) and finally one acceptance.
3.44cGPA 31P
OHSU (so it is my state school). I had a life event that dropped my GPA, so the justification helped.
As far as interviewing goes, I am just kind of a talker. I was just honest, and attacked my shortcomings up front (if I could use the topic being discussed as a Segway).