2013-2014 Underdawgs Thread ( Lets get it)

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hallowmann said:
You should be above every GPA cutoff with a 3.0 (except for KCUMB), so you can easily submit it with your current transcripts on June 1st to get verified, and then when your summer grades come in you can submit the transcripts for the update. Just make sure you code the retakes properly (i.e. the ones you are taking over the summer should be labeled RNY, RNY, as opposed to R02, L02, etc.).

I also would hold off on submitting the secondaries until your new grades come in, but I would definitely fill out as much of them as you can.
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Thanks hallowmann 👍

My final grades for the summer won't come in until mid august, think I'll be in secondary range by then?

Also, anyone know if theres a thread for all of last years secondary topics or will I have to search each school specific thread?
 
Do people with a balanced 24 MCAT have a shot at any DO schools? If so, which ones?
 
Ogmora said:
Thanks hallowmann 👍

My final grades for the summer won't come in until mid august, think I'll be in secondary range by then?

Also, anyone know if theres a thread for all of last years secondary topics or will I have to search each school specific thread?
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As long as you get them all in the same week, I think you'll be fine, but if you're worried or have a very high MCAT, you could send them in right away. I think having your files complete by August should be fine. Going from a 3.0 to 3.3 is a huge jump and can definitely change your chances of getting an interview.
 
hallowmann said:
As long as you get them all in the same week, I think you'll be fine, but if you're worried or have a very high MCAT, you could send them in right away. I think having your files complete by August should be fine. Going from a 3.0 to 3.3 is a huge jump and can definitely change your chances of getting an interview.
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Sweet, thanks. I just don't want to wind up being a late applicant like I was last cycle.

Btw, answered my previous question with a quick search.

All the secondary essays and questions from last cycle:

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=923418
 
hallowmann said:
Yes, most. It really depends on GPA, but I believe all schools have cutoffs below 24. A balanced 24 means 8s all around, and I don't think any DO school cuts off above that.
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Touro CA is a 23. Touro Nevada is a 25. There are other schools with no official cut-offs and have taken people <24 (pikeville, wcucom, etc.)
 
TriagePreMed said:
Touro CA is a 23. Touro Nevada is a 25. There are other schools with no official cut-offs and have taken people <24 (pikeville, wcucom, etc.)
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That makes Touro-NV the only one I know of with a >24 cutoff. The majority of schools either have cutoffs between 22-24, or don't have cutoffs at all.

Also, just to be clear by cutoff, I mean minimum for a secondary, or in other words, the minimum to be considered for an interview.
 
Dr Dazzle said:
Do people with a balanced 24 MCAT have a shot at any DO schools? If so, which ones?
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About every one except TOURO nv.

Examples-

3.3/3.1/24- accepted PNWU
3.26/3.01/24- accepted CUSOM
3.42/3.29/24- accepted MUCOM
3.4/3.3/24- accepted KCOM
3.44/3.48/24- accepted KCUMB
3.35/3.16/24- accepted SOMA
3.01/3.45/23- accepted LMU
3.47/3.22/23- accepted MUCOM, ACOM
3.27/3.5/23- accepted ACOM
3.42/3.25/23- accepted PCOM Ga

Etc etc etc
Plenty more where these came from!
 
Ibn Alnafis MD said:
Don't lose your motivation. Stay focused. The mcat hasn't necessary gotten harder, but it definitely metamorphosed into a different beast. On the recent mcat, it's highly unlikely to come across questions that could be answered purely based on memory, without some inference on your part. You need to train yourself to be able to analyse things and relate concepts to one another...
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I just took the MCAT for the first time last week and wow is all I have to say. I felt like it mentally abused and assualted me, I might have to consider pressing charges.

Don't know how anyone else feels here after taking the test for the first time, but I felt like I needed to go right home and sign up for another. I need to be a little more stategic the second time because an endless amount of hours studying might not be possbile for number two.

BTW- I'm definitely an underdog, I'll be checking in on this thread for some positive thoughts. 👍
 
Spurg said:
I just took the MCAT for the first time last week and wow is all I have to say. I felt like it mentally abused and assualted me, I might have to consider pressing charges.

Don't know how anyone else feels here after taking the test for the first time, but I felt like I needed to go right home and sign up for another. I need to be a little more stategic the second time because an endless amount of hours studying might not be possbile for number two.

BTW- I'm definitely an underdog, I'll be checking in on this thread for some positive thoughts. 👍
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pressing charges LOL :laugh: I'm gonna tell my mom that one 😛 This overall area of SDN is probably the most positive (dental is the chillest, lol).
 
user3 said:
About every one except TOURO nv.

Examples-

3.3/3.1/24- accepted PNWU
3.26/3.01/24- accepted CUSOM
3.42/3.29/24- accepted MUCOM
3.4/3.3/24- accepted KCOM
3.44/3.48/24- accepted KCUMB
3.35/3.16/24- accepted SOMA
3.01/3.45/23- accepted LMU
3.47/3.22/23- accepted MUCOM, ACOM
3.27/3.5/23- accepted ACOM
3.42/3.25/23- accepted PCOM Ga

Etc etc etc
Plenty more where these came from!
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Where'd you get these from? I'm pretty surprised by the numbers. Assuming these people applied super early and their low score was probably due to physical sciences which DO schools care less about?
 
Dr Dazzle said:
Where'd you get these from? I'm pretty surprised by the numbers. Assuming these people applied super early and their low score was probably due to physical sciences which DO schools care less about?
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A lot of those people have pretty close to average GPAs, and their MCAT are just a couple points below the average, so it really is not surprising. After all, at least half the people accepted into schools have to be below the mean stats.
 
Spurg said:
I just took the MCAT for the first time last week and wow is all I have to say. I felt like it mentally abused and assualted me, I might have to consider pressing charges.

Don't know how anyone else feels here after taking the test for the first time, but I felt like I needed to go right home and sign up for another. I need to be a little more stategic the second time because an endless amount of hours studying might not be possbile for number two.

BTW- I'm definitely an underdog, I'll be checking in on this thread for some positive thoughts. 👍
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Trust me.....you arent alone man. When I took it this time last year, I literally went home and planned out my retake. However, 30 days later I got the score and, although not at my average, it was still good enough to apply with. Its a common feeling.
 
Spurg said:
I just took the MCAT for the first time last week and wow is all I have to say. I felt like it mentally abused and assualted me, I might have to consider pressing charges.

Don't know how anyone else feels here after taking the test for the first time, but I felt like I needed to go right home and sign up for another. I need to be a little more stategic the second time because an endless amount of hours studying might not be possbile for number two.

BTW- I'm definitely an underdog, I'll be checking in on this thread for some positive thoughts. 👍
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It's a common saying with major standardized medical-type tests that if you don't think you failed, you probably did fail. I hear it from upperclassmen, preceptors, PA's, docs taking their board re-certs. It's hillarious, first thing their colleagues ask is: "do you think you failed" (yes) "then you're fine!!!"


I'm sure you'll be fine.
 
Ost3oclast said:
Trust me.....you arent alone man. When I took it this time last year, I literally went home and planned out my retake. However, 30 days later I got the score and, although not at my average, it was still good enough to apply with. Its a common feeling.
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Your stats are posted on the previous underdogs thread. How many schools did you apply to and how many of those interviewed you?
 
hallowmann said:
A lot of those people have pretty close to average GPAs, and their MCAT are just a couple points below the average, so it really is not surprising. After all, at least half the people accepted into schools have to be below the mean stats.
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I think it also goes to show that competitiveness for DO schools begins somewhere around 3.00/3.00/23.
 
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user3 said:
I think it also goes to show that competitiveness for the lowest of the low tier DO schools begins somewhere around 3.00/3.00/23.
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That's hardly the point. Plenty of established and newer schools on the list. A DO=DO.
 
hello friends,

cGPA 3.42, sGPA 3.04 (includes grad)
grad GPA, 3.69 & 3.36-- from two graduate degrees

Prior MCAT in the low twenties. Taking MCAT in three weeks... averaging 27-30.

extensive research & first/second author on multiple publications, strong ECs, international medical research and consulting experiences, working for the last two years on national health campaigns

any thoughts on my underdawg stats?? :scared:
 
What's your Sgpa without grad courses? If it is below a 2.75 then I recommend you delay applying
 
3DGRS said:
hello friends,

cGPA 3.42, sGPA 3.04 (includes grad)
grad GPA, 3.69 & 3.36-- from two graduate degrees

Prior MCAT in the low twenties. Taking MCAT in three weeks... averaging 27-30.

extensive research & first/second author on multiple publications, strong ECs, international medical research and consulting experiences, working for the last two years on national health campaigns

any thoughts on my underdawg stats?? :scared:
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Decent shot if you can get a 26 MCAT. Do check with schools before applying.
 
How are you guys calculating your averages? Like the first one I took I got a 17 now I'm in the upper 20s

If you started off really low I think it can be misleading. Like my actual score will be a few points over my average
 
pre med 2014 said:
How are you guys calculating your averages? Like the first one I took I got a 17 now I'm in the upper 20s

If you started off really low I think it can be misleading. Like my actual score will be a few points over my average
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Averages for practice tests or real ones? Because I don't think you average them.
 
chizledfrmstone said:
Wow, that's pretty impressive.

Did you have amazing ECs on top of competitive stats?
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Haha thanks guys. I did have some pretty cool things on my app. I was also working 4 part time jobs totaling 80 hours a week through UG to support my fam.

Yes I also had a 4.0 sgpa which helped hahaha. Sorry I would multiquote but im on my phone hahaha
 
I'm here to join the underdawgs! 3.64 cGPA w/ 25 MCAT
 
VinceViegel said:
Underdawggy status denied
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These are BY FAR the highest stats I've ever seen in the underdog thread.
 
serenade said:
What's your Sgpa without grad courses? If it is below a 2.75 then I recommend you delay applying
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undegrad.... cGPA 3.05 sGPA 2.85 nonsciGPA 3.35
grad 1............cGPA 3.36 sGPA 3.36
grad 2............cGPA 3.69 sGPA 3.66
grad 3............ cGPA 3.7

total overall cGPA3.21 sGPA 3.04 nonsciGPA 3.42

i'm also SORT OF non-traditional? as i've been out of undergrad for some time but not really out of school.

lol, i'd divulge more information on what degrees but there are way too many friends at my school that are gunners that would totally identify who i am lol 😛

had a really poor verbal score last year which wrecked my chances so retaking this year, also retook two undergraduate courses with C's hopefully grades will boost undergrad sGPA over 3.0

Dr Dazzle said:
Decent shot if you can get a 26 MCAT. Do check with schools before applying.
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do you recommend emailing the schools to find out? perhaps an open house?
 
3DGRS said:
undegrad.... cGPA 3.05 sGPA 2.85 nonsciGPA 3.35
grad 1............cGPA 3.36 sGPA 3.36
grad 2............cGPA 3.69 sGPA 3.66
grad 3............ cGPA 3.7

total overall cGPA3.21 sGPA 3.04 nonsciGPA 3.42

i'm also SORT OF non-traditional? as i've been out of undergrad for some time but not really out of school.

lol, i'd divulge more information on what degrees but there are way too many friends at my school that are gunners that would totally identify who i am lol 😛

had a really poor verbal score last year which wrecked my chances so retaking this year, also retook two undergraduate courses with C's hopefully grades will boost undergrad sGPA over 3.0



do you recommend emailing the schools to find out? perhaps an open house?
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I think you may need a strong mcat or else you'll be fighting an up hill battle.
 
serenade said:
I think you may need a strong mcat or else you'll be fighting an up hill battle.
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I'm curious as to how ADCOMs for D.O schools view grad school GPAs. From what I've heard, D.Os are more open towards non-trads that come from another field than allo. Does having a high gGPA from a non-science field help at all?
 
FuzzyMemory said:
I'm curious as to how ADCOMs for D.O schools view grad school GPAs. From what I've heard, D.Os are more open towards non-trads that come from another field than allo. Does having a high gGPA from a non-science field help at all?
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Some schools will consider uGPA + gGPA in one number, so a grad gpa can definitely be helpful.
 
FuzzyMemory said:
I'm curious as to how ADCOMs for D.O schools view grad school GPAs. From what I've heard, D.Os are more open towards non-trads that come from another field than allo. Does having a high gGPA from a non-science field help at all?
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Well if it's a masters in a science field than a 3.7+ is good. Any lower isn't impressive because most graduate level courses are structured on the you come to class and half ass the assignments and you get an A scale.
A masters in science will win you nothing though your research might be useful.
 
serenade said:
Well if it's a masters in a science field than a 3.7+ is good. Any lower isn't impressive because most graduate level courses are structured on the you come to class and half ass the assignments and you get an A scale.
A masters in science will win you nothing though your research might be useful.
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Not true. Remember, in many programs you often compete with PHD students in your classes who are very passionate about their area of study and want to really well. Classes are graded on a curve, so it can be a struggle.
 
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