2013-2014 Underdawgs Thread ( Lets get it)

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below average =/= "not competitive"
That statement can stand up very well. We all know that is an average, and student come in on both sides. I agree that a student while lower numers on either GPA or MCAT can be very "competitive", especially when the whole application is taken into consideration. I'm accepted proof of that and I'm sure a great many others here on the underdog thread are.
 
I thought this was the underdog thread? This is the sole reason is posted my low numbers on it. It's nice of some of you to give statistical analysis of my numbers being sub-par, but if you look at the name of the thread, you won't have to do much analysis. I am not one of those people trolling with a 35 and 4.0, wondering if I will get in somewhere. I just posted so those of you well rounded people with average scores know that it can be done. Never give up, and ignore 75% of what is said
about you from the outside world.
 
I thought this was the underdog thread? This is the sole reason is posted my low numbers on it. It's nice of some of you to give statistical analysis of my numbers being sub-par, but if you look at the name of the thread, you won't have to do much analysis.
Never give up, and ignore 75% of what is said
about you from the outside world.

Props to you, I said the same thing once. The mod actually ignored my request to add me to the list of underdogs and suggested I do grade repair and MCAT retake.

It's the underdog thread. In the DO forum. You wouldn't think it wouldn't be that complicated... Grats on your acceptance, one of the great things about many DO schools is that they do place a heavy value on character and personality in making their decisions. Best to you.
 
I thought this was the underdog thread? This is the sole reason is posted my low numbers on it. It's nice of some of you to give statistical analysis of my numbers being sub-par, but if you look at the name of the thread, you won't have to do much analysis. I am not one of those people trolling with a 35 and 4.0, wondering if I will get in somewhere. I just posted so those of you well rounded people with average scores know that it can be done. Never give up, and ignore 75% of what is said
about you from the outside world.
If most other people with your stats are applying broadly and also getting in, it's hard to call you an underdog. If 10 people applied broadly with your stats and only you got an acceptance, then I would say you were an underdog. But most other people around your numbers that have applied properly are getting in...

This is why I always felt the UD requirements were way too lenient. A true underdog should have < 50% chance of acceptance. the vast majority of people on here clearly have a better shot than that. A true "underdog" has the odds against them.

Dictionary definition of underdog: A competitor thought have LITTLE CHANCE of winning a fight or contest
 
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If most other people with your stats are applying broadly and also getting in, it's hard to call you an underdog. If 10 people applied broadly with your stats and only you got an acceptance, then I would say you were an underdog. But most other people around your numbers that have applied properly are getting in...

This is why I always felt the UD requirements were way too lenient. A true underdog should have < 50% chance of acceptance. the vast majority of people on here clearly have a better shot than that. A true "underdog" has the odds against them.

Dictionary definition of underdog: A competitor thought have LITTLE CHANCE of winning a fight or contest

I definitely feel that a lot us are underdogs. Heck LECOM-B has an average accepted MCAT this year of 30. MSUCOM is at 29.
 
I definitely feel that a lot us are underdogs. Heck LECOM-B has an average accepted MCAT this year of 30. MSUCOM is at 29.
But IMO, the main issue is that many people shoot themselves in the foot by aiming too high and failing to apply to less competitive schools that are in their range...like LUCOM LMU WVSOM VCOM WCU PCOM-Ga KYCOM ACOM etc
 
There is NO way DMU's class average can be 3.7/3.7/28. Lots and lots and lots of people with less than that have been accepted this year.
 
accepted to LUCOM!!! so ecstatic, very grateful, and thankful right now!

For other underdogs who are still waiting, don't give up and have faith! Also, remember that only the committee decide your fate, NOT sdn members. I was discouraged by a few on this thread saying that I had no chance, according to my stats, and a few even said I should consider new career. The thing is I always know I wanna be a doctor since I was young. I grew up in a healthcare family, and I know it in my heart that I will become a compassionate doctor. I am a non-trad who never gives up, has a lot of exposure to medicine, and perseveres through the obstacles. So, that's probably the reason why I am accepted. 🙂

About the interview at LUCOM, I like the open-file structure. It made me feel like the professors/doctors/interviewers know me. I really appreciate the holistic consideration by the committee, since becoming a great physician are about the passion, the exposure of medicine, and the willing to help others without benefitting you. That's what DO is all about!

I guarantee you LUCOM is legit. Don't believe all the negativity here. I believe I will get quality medical education there, tons of clinical experiences in the hospital, clinics, and community; and remember, if you work hard, it will pay of. Also, 3.5 from X University is not the same as 3.5 from Y University.

Good luck to the underdogs out there!
Congrats but I'm not surprised you got into LUCOM. As everyone has predicted, their incoming averages will be quite low. I predict many people with low 20's/mid 3.0, or high 20s/high 2.0 will be accepted
 
Congrats but I'm not surprised you got into LUCOM. As everyone has predicted, their incoming averages will be quite low. I predict many people with low 20's/mid 3.0, or high 20s/high 2.0 will be accepted

This is probably one of the few things I'll actually agree with you on.

But not to take away from the achievement, if she graduates she'll be a doctor.
 
thanks! again, just wanna give hope to other underdogs out there 🙂 also, I just wanna emphasize that 2.8 from Harvard with great EC's may give you a better chance to get into med school than 3.7 from some other U's with average EC's, hypothetically speaking ... I feel so optimistic right now, so, don't mind me 😉 GO UNDERDOGS!!! & Happy Holidays, everyone!!!
That's a joke right? A 2.8 at Harvard is like a 2.0 at other schools. My sister is at Harvard and she verifies all the grade inflation rumours are more or less true. If you're less than 3.0 at Harvard...you better have connections because you're the bottom of the barrel. I assume you mentioned it hypothetically though haha.
 
accepted to LUCOM!!! so ecstatic, very grateful, and thankful right now!

For other underdogs who are still waiting, don't give up and have faith! Also, remember that only the committee decide your fate, NOT sdn members. I was discouraged by a few on this thread saying that I had no chance, according to my stats, and a few even said I should consider new career. The thing is I always know I wanna be a doctor since I was young. I grew up in a healthcare family, and I know it in my heart that I will become a compassionate doctor. I am a non-trad who never gives up, has a lot of exposure to medicine, and perseveres through the obstacles. So, that's probably the reason why I am accepted. 🙂

About the interview at LUCOM, I like the open-file structure. It made me feel like the professors/doctors/interviewers know me. I really appreciate the holistic consideration by the committee, since becoming a great physician are about the passion, the exposure of medicine, and the willing to help others without benefitting you. That's what DO is all about!

I guarantee you LUCOM is legit. Don't believe all the negativity here. I believe I will get quality medical education there, tons of clinical experiences in the hospital, clinics, and community; and remember, if you work hard, it will pay of. Also, 3.5 from X University is not the same as 3.5 from Y University.

Good luck to the underdogs out there!
Congrats.... Enjoy your acceptance! Merry Xmas and Happy Holidays!
 
There is NO way DMU's class average can be 3.7/3.7/28. Lots and lots and lots of people with less than that have been accepted this year.

That's kind of a douchey thing to say. So I'm responding in kind. You really don't understand how averages work do you? Keep in mind that DMU's class size is 221. 2 or 3 people with lower stats is hardly enough to skew the average considerably.
 
Sdn underdogs starting to get competitive against each other lol jk
 
That's kind of a douchey thing to say. So I'm responding in kind. You really don't understand how averages work do you? Keep in mind that DMU's class size is 221. 2 or 3 people with lower stats is hardly enough to skew the average considerably.
Quite the negative nancy. Can't rain on my parade though buddy!

No offense at all! I just feel like the frequency of people with much less than 3.7/28 being accepted seems too high for such an average to be possible.
 
No offense at all! I just feel like the frequency of people with much less than 3.7/28 being accepted seems too high for such an average to be possible.

I don't understand why you think that you have any idea on the frequency of statistics that are matriculating at a school on a yearly basis. You are basing this purely on sdn speculation? Let the applicant enjoy his/her success!!! Congrats, don't listen to sdn, you worked hard to get in and you deserve it.
 
No offense at all! I just feel like the frequency of people with much less than 3.7/28 being accepted seems too high for such an average to be possible.
No offense taken. We live in a number driven society. In my opinion it speaks to osteopathic schools looking at the whole applicant and truly giving people who did less than spectacular their first year or so of college an opportunity. My first two years were less than spectacular, but my last four were at/above the average for DMU. But my numbers weren't much focus for them. I had 7 or 8 questions specifically related to my personal statement and specific work experiences. It seems to me that DMU looks for individuals who have evidence if being a human being and not a pre-med robot. Not to say that other schools don't have the same emphasis but I was most impressed with candid and comfortable social atmosphere at DMU.
 
I have a low undergrad gpa 2.76s/2.85c
I have only three retake option and I'm a semester away from graduation. What would you suggest for me to boost my gpa?

Why do you have only 3 retake options? Does your school limit retakes on Cs or something?

If I were you, I'd look into taking retakes at a CC or local state school with low tuition. Take as many retakes as you can and ace them. I wouldn't apply unless your GPAs are above 3.0, and if possible around 3.2-3.3. Also make sure you do well on the MCAT. Aim for 30+, but high 20s might be fine.

You might have to take an extra year to get the retakes in, but you got to do it to give yourself the best shot.
 
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Accepted to UNECOM after a long, long uphill battle from a 2.7 cGPA. Still awaiting response from many schools. Absolutely can be done. Focus, resilience, and determination.

Impressive, any redeeming qualities? Good PS or Mcat?
 
We shall see movement soon! (I just got done finishing diablo 3 and imagined those words in that voice)
 
Impressive, any redeeming qualities? Good PS or Mcat?
31N MCAT, nothing too impressive there. However, I was able to gain excellent clinical and research experience throughout my journey. In addition, I completed a special masters program after completing 10 post-bacc courses while working full-time, shadowing, and volunteering; and received a 3.96 GPA in the masters program. I also had decent ECs.
 
31N MCAT, nothing too impressive there. However, I was able to gain excellent clinical and research experience throughout my journey. In addition, I completed a special masters program after completing 10 post-bacc courses while working full-time, shadowing, and volunteering; and received a 3.96 GPA in the masters program. I also had decent ECs.

Those are actually pretty good redeeming qualities. You essentially made it clear you're more than capable.
 
How do I stack up? 3.7cGPA 3.55sGPA 24MCAT. I have a lot of extra-curricular/ community service. EMT and Fire Fighter. Shadowed alot etc.. Most of my supplementals are in, just waiting on my committee letter which my Prof is taking so long on.
Applied to:
Chicago COM
Lake Erie COM - Bradenton- REJECTED before interview.
Lake Erie COM - Erie/Seton Hill, PA
Michigan State University COM, MI
Nova Southeastern University COM, FL
NYIT COM, NY
PhiladelphiaCOM
Rowan University SOM
West Virginia SOM
Western U Health Sciences/COM Pacific
 
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How do I stack up? 3.7cGPA 3.55sGPA 24MCAT. I have a lot of extra-curricular/ community service. EMT and Fire Fighter. Shadowed alot etc.. Most of my supplementals are in, just waiting on my committee letter which my Prof is taking so long on.
Applied to:
Chicago COM
Lake Erie COM - Bradenton- REJECTED before interview.
Lake Erie COM - Erie/Seton Hill, PA
Michigan State University COM, MI
Nova Southeastern University COM, FL
NYIT COM, NY
PhiladelphiaCOM
Rowan University SOM
West Virginia SOM
Western U Health Sciences/COM Pacific

too many reaches imo. need more safeties.
 
How do I stack up? 3.7cGPA 3.55sGPA 24MCAT. I have a lot of extra-curricular/ community service. EMT and Fire Fighter. Shadowed alot etc.. Most of my supplementals are in, just waiting on my committee letter which my Prof is taking so long on.
Applied to:
Chicago COM
Lake Erie COM - Bradenton- REJECTED before interview.
Lake Erie COM - Erie/Seton Hill, PA
Michigan State University COM, MI
Nova Southeastern University COM, FL
NYIT COM, NY
PhiladelphiaCOM
Rowan University SOM
West Virginia SOM
Western U Health Sciences/COM Pacific
You should definitely get in somewhere. Your mcat is within one standard deviation of the mean and your GPA is above average for some, or right at the average for others. ECs look great! I would apply to a few more lower tier schools just in case but you have better stats than me and I was accepted. Best of luck! I don't think you have anything to worry about 🙂
 
How do I stack up? 3.7cGPA 3.55sGPA 24MCAT. I have a lot of extra-curricular/ community service. EMT and Fire Fighter. Shadowed alot etc.. Most of my supplementals are in, just waiting on my committee letter which my Prof is taking so long on.
Applied to:
Chicago COM
Lake Erie COM - Bradenton- REJECTED before interview.
Lake Erie COM - Erie/Seton Hill, PA
Michigan State University COM, MI
Nova Southeastern University COM, FL
NYIT COM, NY
PhiladelphiaCOM
Rowan University SOM
West Virginia SOM
Western U Health Sciences/COM Pacific

Honestly I don't mean to be dismissive. But delay applying till next cycle. You're far too late and your Mcat is far too low ( consider a retake while you're at it to increase your competitiveness for this list.)
 
You should definitely get in somewhere. Your mcat is within one standard deviation of the mean and your GPA is above average for some, or right at the average for others. ECs look great! I would apply to a few more lower tier schools just in case but you have better stats than me and I was accepted. Best of luck! I don't think you have anything to worry about 🙂

It's January and he hasn't even submitted a primary. Can we not pretend he's got a 100% chance of acceptance? Hell I applied early in the year with higher stats and didn't get a word from half these schools.
 
I have done all primaries and secondaries for those schools..

You're not complete at any of these schools however. Sorry, but I'm telling right now to take every precaution necessary I be a more competitive applicant next cycle.
I'm not trying to be mean, but you need to bring that Mcat up if you want to get into any of these schools.
 
It's January and he hasn't even submitted a primary. Can we not pretend he's got a 100% chance of acceptance? Hell I applied early in the year with higher stats and didn't get a word from half these schools.
You will. It's still early-ish. If you have higher stats and the rest of your application is solid, you should also get in somewhere. What are your stats and where did you apply? I'm assuming you've heard back from some of the schools
 
How do I stack up? 3.7cGPA 3.55sGPA 24MCAT. I have a lot of extra-curricular/ community service. EMT and Fire Fighter. Shadowed alot etc.. Most of my supplementals are in, just waiting on my committee letter which my Prof is taking so long on.
Applied to:
Chicago COM
Lake Erie COM - Bradenton- REJECTED before interview.
Lake Erie COM - Erie/Seton Hill, PA
Michigan State University COM, MI
Nova Southeastern University COM, FL
NYIT COM, NY
PhiladelphiaCOM
Rowan University SOM
West Virginia SOM
Western U Health Sciences/COM Pacific
Tell that prof that they have a deadline! Your career depends on it. Getting my letters felt like pulling teeth. I forwarded the emails schools sent me saying that the longer I waited, the more it affected my chances of getting in. That seemed to work.
 
You're not complete at any of these schools however. Sorry, but I'm telling right now to take every precaution necessary I be a more competitive applicant next cycle.
I'm not trying to be mean, but you need to bring that Mcat up if you want to get into any of these schools.
This is true. They can't consider you until that committee letter is in. Seriously I would set up a face to face a week from now and tell them you would like a signed and sealed copy that day as well as an interfolio upload. You worked too hard to let some prof ruin your shot at med school.
 
Honestly I don't mean to be dismissive. But delay applying till next cycle. You're far too late and your Mcat is far too low ( consider a retake while you're at it to increase your competitiveness for this list.)
If you already submitted secondaries and you're just waiting on the letter, might as well finish this cycle. You've already spent the money. Finish strong. Worst case scenario you reapply next year.

Keep in mind they are still accepting applicants although it is late. When you apply late, you are put in the queue late which means you have fewer chances of floating to the top of the list. Still, you have *a* chance. Take it. That's how the rest of us made it this far.
 
If you already submitted secondaries and you're just waiting on the letter, might as well finish this cycle. You've already spent the money. Finish strong. Worst case scenario you reapply next year.

Keep in mind they are still accepting applicants although it is late. When you apply late, you are put in the queue late which means you have fewer chances of floating to the top of the list. Still, you have *a* chance. Take it. That's how the rest of us made it this far.

I mean if you're that far go for it. But you need to be honest with yourself and understand that you do need to improve your application as you'll be a reapplicant and you'll need to have improved. So what can I say? Consider a retake.
 
And RVU has shown bias towards a very specific type of applicant/stats play less of a role in their selection process.

What type of applicant? I mean regardless it seems like plenty of student who didn't get into U Colorado are happy to go here.
 
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