2013-2014 Underdawgs Thread ( Lets get it)

[Haxx]

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So basically, if you have a 3.00/<20MCAT, that is when you should start worrying for the worst.

This is totally a selection bias. Who comes onto forums and says, "Hey guys! My stats are bad and I didn't get in!" ?? No one. No one does that.

 

[user3]

This is totally a selection bias. Who comes onto forums and says, "Hey guys! My stats are bad and I didn't get in!" ?? No one. No one does that.

WAMC forum and Re-applicants forum have plenty of unsuccessful allo applicants that chime in for feedback

 

[Haxx]

WAMC forum and Re-applicants forum have plenty of unsuccessful allo applicants that chime in for feedback

Well that isn't relevant in this case, is it?

 

[CSqueed]

This is totally a selection bias. Who comes onto forums and says, "Hey guys! My stats are bad and I didn't get in!" ?? No one. No one does that.

Go check out Pre-Allo. There are plenty of people complaining of not hearing back from any schools. you don't get that on Pre-DO

 

[user3]

Well that isn't relevant in this case, is it?

but logically, if interview-less allo applicants do this, why not interview-less osteopathic applicants as well?

 

[Haxx]

but logically, if interview-less allo applicants do this, why not interview-less osteopathic applicants as well?

Who knows, but all I'm saying is that the sweeping generalizations of DO candidates is unnecessary at the very least, and likely unwarranted as well. What do you have to gain from raiding an UD thread?

 

[user3]

Who knows, but all I'm saying is that the sweeping generalizations of DO candidates is unnecessary at the very least, and likely unwarranted as well. What do you have to gain from raiding an UD thread?

because it has been overrun by people who are simply NOT underdogs.

 

[DocWinter]

Next year, as I fear it too late for this one, the UD thread could use serious help from a moderator who sets UD parameters and refuses to tolerate depressing crap.

 

[touchpause13]

Who knows, but all I'm saying is that the sweeping generalizations of DO candidates is unnecessary at the very least, and likely unwarranted as well. What do you have to gain from raiding an UD thread?

I like you.

You should come here more often

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

Next year, as I fear it too late for this one, the UD thread could use serious help from a moderator who sets UD parameters and refuses to tolerate depressing crap.

I think moderators have better things to do with their time to than set arbitrary parameters that will still offend the unpleasable masses.

No really, are you genuinely offended or negatively affected by a few quality applicants being on this wall? If anything it has the capacity to at least serve as a reference for many underdogs who will fail to get in to know where to aim.

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

I like you.

You should come here more often

As long as people continue to follow User3's religion of alternative statistical analysis we will all fail.

 

[akumar29]

No interview yet. 3.1 sGPA, 3.3 cGPA, 26 MCAT. Have experience in rural areas, urban areas, third world countires, shadowing and volunteering. , etc. Better start getting ready for the next cycle :-(

Im just afraid if I retake the MCAT I might not do so well .

 

[Donkk]

No interview yet. 3.1 sGPA, 3.3 cGPA, 26 MCAT. Have experience in rural areas, urban areas, third world countires, shadowing and volunteering. , etc. Better start getting ready for the next cycle :-(

Im just afraid if I retake the MCAT I might not do so well .

Did you cast a wide net?

 

[akumar29]

Did you cast a wide net?

Yes sir, I applied to all except 2. However, I got done with secondaries not too long ago. I have already been rejected at 2 places and 3 other schools would not give me a secondary because Im taking Orgo II right now.

 

[Donkk]

Yes sir, I applied to all except 2. However, I got done with secondaries not too long ago. I have already been rejected at 2 places and 3 other schools would not give me a secondary because Im taking Orgo II right now.

It may just be a timing thing, late in the game so you may still here from a few for ii. If not, stats are pretty decent I do not see why you wouldn't get a chance at a few ii if you applied early next season.

 

[danny89]

No interview yet. 3.1 sGPA, 3.3 cGPA, 26 MCAT. Have experience in rural areas, urban areas, third world countires, shadowing and volunteering. , etc. Better start getting ready for the next cycle :-(

Im just afraid if I retake the MCAT I might not do so well .

When did you apply/get verified though?

 

[akumar29]

It may just be a timing thing, late in the game so you may still here from a few for ii. If not, stats are pretty decent I do not see why you wouldn't get a chance at a few ii if you applied early next season.

Yeah, if I don't get in this cycle. I am going to raise my GPA, gain more clinical experience, I was thinking doing research but I do not how much that would help. I want to take the MCAT again in May but I don't know if I will do better.

 

[akumar29]

When did you apply/get verified though?

I was verified in November and start filling secondaries right away.

 

[user3]

I was verified in November and start filling secondaries right away.

which 2 schools did you omit?

Also, what is your state of residence?

I wouldn't lose hope yet.

 

[coolingglasses]

Your stats clearly aren't uncompetitive for getting into at least one DO school. Isn't an UD someone who is worried about getting ONE acceptance?

If you have to jump through extra hoops (like applying to 22 schools) to gain an acceptance that a more standardized candidate wouldn't, you are probably an UD. And you're still linking my acceptance solely to my numbers. I don't.

 

[WalSlave]

I think moderators have better things to do with their time to than set arbitrary parameters that will still offend the unpleasable masses.

No really, are you genuinely offended or negatively affected by a few quality applicants being on this wall? If anything it has the capacity to at least serve as a reference for many underdogs who will fail to get in to know where to aim.

FWIW from a random stranger on the internet, I think you've done a good job with the thread. I have been following it the whole cycle, and you've gotten a lot of flak for not enforcing each person's individual definition of an underdog. Personally, I think "underdog" is completely relative. At MSUCOM, someone is an underdog if they have no volunteer hours, even if stats are high. Every school has it's mission.

It is probably also worth mentioning to those upset about the "lack of underdogs" that just because someone's stats are higher than yours, doesn't mean they aren't still an underdog. I feel like I see a lot of that.

Hopefully someone will be brave enough to even start an underdog thread this next cycle.

 

[BestDoctorEver]

It seems like the UD has been highjacked by 'gunners and DO bashers'

 

[WalSlave]

It seems like the UD thread has been highjacked by 12-year old male school yard kids who are arguing about who got the biggest package.

Or the smallest package, rather.

 

[coolingglasses]

I don't know why people are hellbent on drawing a line in the sand on what quantifies as an UD. It's like the pain olympics or something--you didn't suck hard enough, so you can't participate?

At the end of it all, I remember being part of last cycle's thread and I got a lot of support and good information out of it.

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

It's because this thread is a strictly BYOB establishment.

 

[BestDoctorEver]

I don't know why people are hellbent on drawing a line in the sand on what quantifies as an UD. It's like the pain olympics or something--you didn't suck hard enough, so you can't participate?

At the end of it all, I remember being part of last cycle's thread and I got a lot of support and good information out of it.

I am ok with parameters being set just like everything else. I think one of the first UD (2011-2012) was well run. I think you can set parameters and have another category that the moderator would consider as supporters. It will go wild if they don't set parameters. People like 'anicetus' would demand to be on the list with 3.7 GPA and 31 MCAT because of 6 in VR when we all know 6 in VR is acceptable for 90% DO schools. That is my $0.02.

 

[coolingglasses]

I am ok with parameters being set just like everything else. I think one of the first UD (2011-2012) was well run. I think you can set parameters and have another category that the moderator would consider as supporters. It will go wild if they don't set parameters. People like 'anicetus' would demand to be on the list with 3.7 GPA and 31 MCAT because of 6 in VR when we all know 6 in VR is acceptable for 90% DO schools. That is my $0.02.

lol, well nobody's arguing against that. We had parameters for last year's thread, too. I think it was fine.

But now people are saying those were too high.

 

[BestDoctorEver]

My question to everyone in here: Does anyone here really believe someone with 3.3 c/sGPA, 25 MCAT with average ECs would not get into at least 2 DO schools if that person has done its due diligence. I mean applying to school like: LUCOM, LMU-DCOM, VCOM, PCOM-GA, KYCOM, SOMA, WCUCOM, WVSOM, ACOM, PNWU, Touro-NV, KYCOM, LarkinCOM (in the near future... Lol). If the answer is YES, that person is an UD...If the answer is NO, you would have a hard time convincing me that person is an UD.

 

[Sean Lee]

Hey guys.

I am new to SDN and I just found this thread. Basically, I graduated with a 3.5 overall GPA and a 3.3 science GPA. I also took the MCAT and got a 26 (8 PS, 9 VR, 9BS).

Am I considered an "underdog" when it comes to DOs? I am also an Indian American male, if that matters.

I've signed up for a MCAT retake this March, and I am aiming for a 28-30.

 

[touchpause13]

Hey guys.

I am new to SDN and I just found this thread. Basically, I graduated with a 3.5 overall GPA and a 3.3 science GPA. I also took the MCAT and got a 26 (8 PS, 9 VR, 9BS).

Am I considered an "underdog" when it comes to DOs? I am also an Indian American male, if that matters.

I've signed up for a MCAT retake this March, and I am aiming for a 28-30.

My stats are right around yours and I consider myself an underdog. That 3.3 and 26 aren't doing you any favors but you still have a decent shot of getting in a place you actually *want* to go to if you apply early and have good EC and interview skills IMO.

inb4 user3 says he will have 10 acceptances

 

[chizledfrmstone]

Hey guys.

I am new to SDN and I just found this thread. Basically, I graduated with a 3.5 overall GPA and a 3.3 science GPA. I also took the MCAT and got a 26 (8 PS, 9 VR, 9BS).

Am I considered an "underdog" when it comes to DOs? I am also an Indian American male, if that matters.

I've signed up for a MCAT retake this March, and I am aiming for a 28-30.

No, even with a 3.5/3.3/26 you're not an underdog IMHO.

I personally know someone with a 3.7 GPA and 26 mcat who applied DO last year and is now in pod school. Don't underestimate how difficult it is to get into a med school in this country.

I was just thinking about this the other day. I have spoken to a few people who took 3-4 cycles to get in. I'm quite thankful for having an acceptance under my belt.

 

[BestDoctorEver]

Hey guys.

I am new to SDN and I just found this thread. Basically, I graduated with a 3.5 overall GPA and a 3.3 science GPA. I also took the MCAT and got a 26 (8 PS, 9 VR, 9BS).

Am I considered an "underdog" when it comes to DOs? I am also an Indian American male, if that matters.

I've signed up for a MCAT retake this March, and I am aiming for a 28-30.

Not an UD... Save yourself unnecessary headache...Do NOT retake the MCAT if you are not aiming for MD as well.

 

[user3]

Hey guys.

I am new to SDN and I just found this thread. Basically, I graduated with a 3.5 overall GPA and a 3.3 science GPA. I also took the MCAT and got a 26 (8 PS, 9 VR, 9BS).

Am I considered an "underdog" when it comes to DOs? I am also an Indian American male, if that matters.

I've signed up for a MCAT retake this March, and I am aiming for a 28-30.

no you are fine, not an UD. You will get interviews out the wazoo!

 

[Launcelot]

I'm sweating bullets because my cycle is going to end pretty soon. 3.2 cGPA/28 MCAT and one low-priority spot on waitlist, 1 pre-interview hold, 4 rejections and silence from 3 more. Not good, I guess it will be post-bac/reapp time soon.

 

[coolingglasses]

I'm sweating bullets because my cycle is going to end pretty soon. 3.2 cGPA/28 MCAT and one low-priority spot on waitlist, 1 pre-interview hold, 4 rejections and silence from 3 more. Not good, I guess it will be post-bac/reapp time soon.

It's not March/April yet. Don't lose hope.

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

I'm sweating bullets because my cycle is going to end pretty soon. 3.2 cGPA/28 MCAT and one low-priority spot on waitlist, 1 pre-interview hold, 4 rejections and silence from 3 more. Not good, I guess it will be post-bac/reapp time soon.

I feel ya, I'm in somewhat of the same position. I've been on MUCOM's waitlist from day one as a second quart ( Read as I haven't a clue where I am right now and for all I know I could be back of 3rd or in the top 10th percentile) and been kinda screwed by a good amount of schools. I'm waiting in the dark for a few late app schools and silence from 4.

All I can say is that life happens.

 

[user3]

I'm sweating bullets because my cycle is going to end pretty soon. 3.2 cGPA/28 MCAT and one low-priority spot on waitlist, 1 pre-interview hold, 4 rejections and silence from 3 more. Not good, I guess it will be post-bac/reapp time soon.

where did you apply? that can make all the difference.

 

[coolingglasses]

I'm sweating bullets because my cycle is going to end pretty soon. 3.2 cGPA/28 MCAT and one low-priority spot on waitlist, 1 pre-interview hold, 4 rejections and silence from 3 more. Not good, I guess it will be post-bac/reapp time soon.

It's not March/April yet. Don't lose hope.

Hey guys.

I am new to SDN and I just found this thread. Basically, I graduated with a 3.5 overall GPA and a 3.3 science GPA. I also took the MCAT and got a 26 (8 PS, 9 VR, 9BS).

Am I considered an "underdog" when it comes to DOs? I am also an Indian American male, if that matters.

I've signed up for a MCAT retake this March, and I am aiming for a 28-30.

You're fine. I wouldn't retake unless you're hoping for a particular school.

My question to everyone in here: Does anyone here really believe someone with 3.3 c/sGPA, 25 MCAT with average ECs would not get into at least 2 DO schools if that person has done its due diligence. I mean applying to school like: LUCOM, LMU-DCOM, VCOM, PCOM-GA, KYCOM, SOMA, WCUCOM, WVSOM, ACOM, PNWU, Touro-NV, KYCOM, LarkinCOM (in the near future... Lol). If the answer is YES, that person is an UD...If the answer is NO, you would have a hard time convincing me that person is an UD.

I think we'll end up agreeing to disagree, as I have seen so many people (I can think of a few right now) with outstanding stats who haven't heard anything positive yet this cycle. So this argument won't go anywhere.

Whoever runs the UD thread next cycle can redraw the line however they want and if it looks like there's demand, I'll start a thread for all the not-quite-UDs. boom done

 

[Dreamstoo]

Hey guys.

I am new to SDN and I just found this thread. Basically, I graduated with a 3.5 overall GPA and a 3.3 science GPA. I also took the MCAT and got a 26 (8 PS, 9 VR, 9BS).

Am I considered an "underdog" when it comes to DOs? I am also an Indian American male, if that matters.

I've signed up for a MCAT retake this March, and I am aiming for a 28-30.

Words of encouragement. Someone I know who went to my university (top 100, nothing special) was also Indian American got in this cycle. That person got in with a slightly lower everything. The good thing about your MCAT score is it's balanced. I think retaking it is no harm personally. A 30 MCAT score with a 3.5cgpa/3.3sgpa will be even more competitive than a 26 MCAT. Al in all, even without a retake MCAT I think you will be competitive enough to have a few interview invites to say the least assuming your ECs are solid.

Sorry if this post seemed kind of confusing. I'm just very tired.

 

[user3]

I feel ya, I'm in somewhat of the same position. I've been on MUCOM's waitlist from day one as a second quart ( Read as I haven't a clue where I am right now and for all I know I could be back of 3rd or in the top 10th percentile) and been kinda screwed by a good amount of schools. I'm waiting in the dark for a few late app schools and silence from 4.

All I can say is that life happens.

Just curious serenade...what schools have denied you pre-interview and what schools have you not heard from if you don't mind saying

 

[Launcelot]

where did you apply? that can make all the difference.

TUCOM-CA, WUCOMP, WVSOM, CCOM, UNECOM, OSUCOM, PCOM, OUHCOM, KCOM

It's not March/April yet. Don't lose hope.

Thanks, I will try to keep a cool head, but I'm also making sure I have grad or post-bac programs and jobs lined up just in case the worst happens.

 

[Postictal Raiden]

TUCOM-CA, WUCOMP, WVSOM, CCOM, UNECOM, OSUCOM, PCOM, OUHCOM, KCOM

Thanks, I will try to keep a cool head, but I'm also making sure I have grad or post-bac programs and jobs lined up just in case the worst happens.

Looks like you didn't apply broadly enough. Although your stats aren't bad, they aren't spectacular either. All but WVSOM are reach schools, considering your GPA. I'm not sure how late in the cycle it is, but if I were you I would through in few more schools to the mix. The schools I suggest are LMU, TouroNV, Pikeville, CUSOM, ACOM, and PCOM-GA.

 

[Launcelot]

Looks like you didn't apply broadly enough. Although your stats aren't bad, they aren't spectacular either. All but WVSOM are reach schools, considering your GPA. I'm not sure how late in the cycle it is, but if I were you I would through in few more schools to the mix. The schools I suggest are LMU, TouroNV, Pikeville, CUSOM, ACOM, and PCOM-GA.

I'm taking your advice and putting $50 on ACOM, haha!

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

Just curious serenade...what schools have denied you pre-interview and what schools have you not heard from if you don't mind saying

CCOM is the only DO school to up front deny me. I haven't heard anything from DMU, LECOM-B, PCOM, and NOVA. I added a few lower tier ones in Nov/Completed by December VCOM, CUSOM, PCOM-GA, UNECOM. So for what it is worth I am still optimistic...

 

[chizledfrmstone]

Looks like you didn't apply broadly enough. Although your stats aren't bad, they aren't spectacular either. All but WVSOM are reach schools, considering your GPA. I'm not sure how late in the cycle it is, but if I were you I would through in few more schools to the mix. The schools I suggest are LMU, TouroNV, Pikeville, CUSOM, ACOM, and PCOM-GA.

I agree with Ibn. Why not apply to AZCOM or ATSU-SOMA?

There is also MUCOM, KCUMB, DMU, LECOMs...

TUCOM-CA, WUCOMP, WVSOM, CCOM, UNECOM, OSUCOM, PCOM, OUHCOM, KCOM

Your list was a bit heavy and I personally wouldn't have been comfortable applying only to those schools unless I had a 3.4/29-30 or some really great life experience.

 

[happypremed1]

Go check out Pre-Allo. There are plenty of people complaining of not hearing back from any schools. you don't get that on Pre-DO

Yeah. I have the MSAR and the MD stats indicate that the competition is fierce. I had some difficulty breathing when I flipped through those MSAR pages. LOL I'm becoming a DO so there's no need to look at that book anymore.

Based on these stats, I would expect many many MD applicants to never hear back from a lot of schools.

 

[Launcelot]

I agree with Ibn. Why not apply to AZCOM or ATSU-SOMA?

There is also MUCOM, KCUMB, DMU, LECOMs...



Your list was a bit heavy and I personally wouldn't have been comfortable applying only to those schools unless I had a 3.4/29-30 or some really great life experience.

Forgot to mention, I did apply LECOM-E. The main reason for not applying to ATSU-SOMA or AZCOM is because I can't handle the heat. Yes, I know that it's not about being comfortable, it's about becoming a physician (and that I'll be indoors almost 100% of the time), but I dislike +100F temperatures so much that it's enough to make me choose risking being a reapp over attending the school and potentially being miserable. But if it comes to down to another cycle, you can bet I'll be checkmarking those boxes (and changing my attitude) for sure.

Anyways I digress, it is for all of yours (and other's) stated reason that I am posting in the underdog thread, right? 🙂

 

[chizledfrmstone]

Forgot to mention, I did apply LECOM-E. The main reason for not applying to ATSU-SOMA or AZCOM is because I can't handle the heat. Yes, I know that it's not about being comfortable, it's about becoming a physician (and that I'll be indoors almost 100% of the time), but I dislike +100F temperatures so much that it's enough to make me choose risking being a reapp over attending the school and potentially being miserable. But if it comes to down to another cycle, you can bet I'll be checkmarking those boxes (and changing my attitude) for sure.

Anyways I digress, it is for all of yours (and other's) stated reason that I am posting in the underdog thread, right? 🙂

Oh trust me, I totally understand. I'm getting out of this heat. If you need help picking schools just hit me up over PM.

 

[user3]

I'm taking your advice and putting $50 on ACOM, haha!

I would also recommend touro nv. It's in your neck of the woods and has a quick secondary.

Also consider LMU. They have been handing out ii's to many many people with lower stats lately.

 

[user3]

Forgot to mention, I did apply LECOM-E. The main reason for not applying to ATSU-SOMA or AZCOM is because I can't handle the heat. Yes, I know that it's not about being comfortable, it's about becoming a physician (and that I'll be indoors almost 100% of the time), but I dislike +100F temperatures so much that it's enough to make me choose risking being a reapp over attending the school and potentially being miserable. But if it comes to down to another cycle, you can bet I'll be checkmarking those boxes (and changing my attitude) for sure.

Anyways I digress, it is for all of yours (and other's) stated reason that I am posting in the underdog thread, right? 🙂

You probably shouldn't have added OSU then. Tulsa has frequent stretches of unbearable heat in the summer.