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Discussion in 'ERAS and the NRMP Match' started by Frederica, Nov 12, 2014.

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  1. aProgDirector

    aProgDirector Pastafarians Unite! SDN Advisor SDN Moderator 10+ Year Member

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    No. They are in the same positions they otherwise would have been in.
     
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  3. LadyRad

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    How about green card holders from those countries? Would you change their rank even though they do not need a visa?
     
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    Just to be clear, I haven't decided what to do yet. In any case, anyone with a GC is good to work, doesn't need a visa. They changed their policy quickly from implementation to allow those with GC's to enter and leave the country. Anyone with a GC is unlikely to have it removed. So, I don't see this as a risk at all.
     
  5. LadyRad

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    Makes sense, thank you!
     
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    Do you screen applicants' social media pages as part of the process?
     
  8. docdionne

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    This was partially addressed earlier - the idea of mentors making phone calls on your behalf post-interview, pre-rank list submissions. I understand that it might mean nothing, but is there a chance it might hurt my chances? Will the program director feel like my mentor or I are trying to twist his arm?
    This place is my #1 by far - I love it so much there, but it's probably a reach for me. I don't look great on paper. At the interview, I found out the program director was actually a big fan of this mentor's writing, so I thought maybe he'd fan-girl a bit to get a personal phone call... but then I think I'm a jerk for thinking that. Can this be over already?
     
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    You don't really have much to lose from this.

    Is it a bit manipulative? Possibly...but whatever.

    Unlikely to harm you.
     
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    US IMG, w/ Step 1 208, Passed CS first time, California resident, looking to apply to family med or IM, w/ future goal of primary care.

    I apologize if I repeated any questions, but I looked through forum trying to avoid a repeat question. I am hoping I didn't. Thank you in advance.

    1. Does ERAS show two Step 2CK transcripts (one failed, one passed)?
    2. Is there a filter for those who have failed Step 2ck?
    3. Should I explain a failed Step 2Ck in a personal statement or somewhere in my application?
    4. Is it recommended to take Step 3 before residency since I have one failed attempt for Step 2CK?
    5. I have option of graduating from my school on April 2017 vs November 2017, is it better to apply in ERAS as a medical student vs grad?
    6. Any other recommendations for someone who failed Step 2 ck? I've developed a test phobia for this test and want to do really well before i retake.
     
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    Dumb question, but are those papers we're supposed to sign and give back on interview days actually important? I have a couple folders with the paper still inside, because I wasn't thinking about it when I was at the interview. I feel like it's a formality for the programs, but in these next 2 weeks of freaking out on a daily basis and rehashing what I might have screwed up to not make me match, I just want to make sure they aren't something truly important that they won't rank you without.
     
  12. mcl

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    1. Yes
    2. Programs can design any filter they want
    3. Up to you. An explanation may sway some programs but work against you at others. If you do address it in your personal statement, try to make the explanation not sound like an excuse. If you had a leave of absence related the the CK failure, you could also address it in that section.
    4. From what I understand, you aren't likely to do as well on Step 3 before residency, and the score would matter more if you are trying to offset the CK failure.
    5. It's better to apply as a medical student so defer graduation if you can.
    6. Apply broadly, find a mentor/adviser who can help you craft your application and who would be willing to make some calls on your behalf to secure interview invitations, and stay involved clinically.
     
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    They are only important if you match, and then only if you wanted to challenge something in your contract, so don't worry about it affecting your ranking. I doubt my PD even knows that there is a form for the applicants to sign (it's really my department's business manager who cares deeply about those forms). However, if you liked those programs, returning the form would be a way to touch base with them and show interest. You could scan the signed document and attach it to an email.
     
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    H1B is a fascinating visa for medicine residency. Probably not what it was intended for and is varibaly offered by programs. As a PD who does NOT offer the H1B for Residency, I don't have to worry about this one.

    J1 visas for immigrant physicians constitute ~50% of trainees in the USA. That's 3000 positions annually. I would have said before that it is inconceivable that this program would be affected in a broad manner (aside from the 7 countries). I would not say that anymore, mainly because I don't think that the consequences of any of these policies has been well thought out. I do think that the general "deterrent" effect has been the main goal and that goal has been achieved. Mission accomplished.

    I gave a talk for 3 months about not changing people's ranks based on their visa status. I have a small number of students from the affected countries. I certified my list last week with them on it. It's a stubborn decision and not entirely rational. I have other visa-needing applicants on my list as well. If the whole J1 program gets thrown into doubt, I will be only one of scores of programs across the country in trouble. There is no back-up plan for that situation.
     
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    Interestingly, my answers are somewhat different from @mcl.

    1. Sort of. Yes, your official USMLE transcript will show all attempts and all scores, so it's all there for review. But, when I create "filters" for applicants, I can only filter based upon your last score. So if you fail, and then pass, and I run a filter for "fail", your application will not show up. When I pull your app up for review I'll see an indication that there was a USMLE issue, and then I need to look at the report for the details.

    2. See #1. If your most recent score is fail, then yes. If you fail and then pass, then no.

    3. This is controversial, I agree with mcl. You failed because you got too many questions wrong. That's really the only "explanation". So, if you're going to talk about it, the key is to try to explain why it won't happen again. But it's a balancing act between making excuses and convincing me the problem is fixed.

    4. If you did really well on S3, then sure it would be a big boost. But let's be serious here -- you didn't do all that well on S1, and then failed S2. S3 covers material that tends to be learned as an intern. Your chances of doing well on it as a medical student don't seem good. Just barely passing it won't help at all. Failing it will definitely hurt you. It's a huge risk with little chance of upside.

    5. This is also controversial. The NRMP data shows that current students do better than prior grads. But this is highly biased/skewed -- previous grads usually are applying a second (or more) time, hence have something in their app that caused them to not match the first time, so it's not a surprise that they have more trouble matching. If the gap from medical school to residency is too long, then PD's make become concerned that your skills have atrophied. But graduating early can have some (rare) benefits -- if a program has an off cycle spot open (i.e. they need an intern now), they might offer you a spot to start early. So, my overall sense is that this probably doesn't matter, and what matters is why you're applying as a prior grad (i.e. if you're actually graduating later than usual because of your CK failure, that will be a problem).

    6. Agreed with above. And try to figure out how to "study smarter". Taking exams is forever in your future -- you want to find a way so that you pass them without worries and anxiety.
     
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    Thank you very much, your responses were very helpful. (@mcl as well)

    Is "I rushed to take the exam, even though I did not feel ready, to submit my applications for the 2017 match" a good response to "why did you fail?" It may seem like an excuse, but it's my truth.

    Also, my school provides graduation dates for end of March, April and November. I wanted to take a month off for dedicated step 2 ck studying, since I did not do this last time. I would finish my rotations end of May vs end of April, hence pushing me towards an official graduation of Nov 2017. I would still be ECFMG certified when applying for 2018 match. Does that make any difference?
     
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    What happens to those in pre match programs as well as applicants who matched with them and already signed to contract, if the signed are from countries with visa issues? Would programs reconsider their offers/ contracts?
     
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    If you can't get a visa, you have violated your contract and it will be null and void. They may wait for you...but I suspect that any program that pre-matches doesn't give 2 s***s about who shows up as long as they can work.
     
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    I would have worded it a bit differently, but the gist is the same.

    Your match/contract requires that you be able to begin work by a certain date, usually July 1. If you can't start work on that date, whether under your control or not, then you have not met the requirements of your contract and it is no longer valid, and I can petition the NRMP for a waiver if needed. Reasons for not starting on July 1 might include: inability to get a license, failing a drug test, inability to get a visa, not completing orientation / on boarding materials, etc. I can then decide to delay your start, or hire someone new.
     
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    In my time, I've had students with visa problems, students get clinically depressed and be unable to work and students break a leg while skiing. I've delayed the starts successfully, though painfully. One student was delayed, was still not ready and eventually we got a waiver for his Match. We kept in touch in the hope that his disease would improve, but it didn't. Still not doing clinical medicine as far as I know.
     
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    US IMG, 3 attempts on CS, first pass on the others. I am graduating in May and pondering the best way to move forward for the 2018 match. My options for the gap time are:
    1. doing burn research with a surgeon at a hospital affiliated with a residency program- they actually offered me an interview despite my first failed CS attempt but I unfortunately let that slipped
    2. working in a private neurology clinic, seeing patients under supervision and helping with clinical trials - I would love to not have a year away from clinical medicine but the networking from this option maybe limited

    I am planning to apply to FM and IM and would appreciate guidance as to which option would be better for my application. Thank you in advance!
     
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    Does anyone have any idea why ROL deadline (and by extension match day) has to be so late? Would be great if everything were moved up a month or so.. feel like i've just been sitting around since beginning of feb.
     

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