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  1. Raryn

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    An IMG without a CS pass at this point, particularly with a CS failure on his record may as well just skip the year and use the next 11 months to bolster their application somehow. Most programs require 1/CK/CS to interview an IMG and he won't have that in any reasonable time to be considered.
     
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    Thanks for your answers. Maybe my question was not phrased properly. I already passed my CS after my second attempt. I know it's already a huge dent on my app. I just don't know if to openly state the failure in my personal statement OR to not discuss it until any potential interviews.
     
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    Got it. Wouldn't mention it in your personal statement. But again, you really need to apply ASAP as interviews are already going out.
     
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    Dear PCs/PDs,
    has it ever happened to you that you had sent out interview invitation to a candidate by mistake?

    Well, I received an invite from a program that is way out of my reach, considering my stats and being an IMG. Per "current resident" section on their website, they don't have a resident with a background even remotely similar to mine. So I'm a little bit suspicious..
     
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    Last year, I answered this exact question, on this exact thread, with "Don't be silly. They invited you, they are interested. We don't make mistakes like that".

    Then this happened: Ask the Program Coordinator!

    You might want to check.
     
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    Wow. Thank you @aProgDirector for pointing this out to me.

    I got an invitation with available dates (not a confirmation for a single date like this poster). But regardless, there is always a possibility for human error. Not sure how to proceed.
     
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    schedule the interview...if they schedule you then GO!

    its was a mistake, they will let you know.

    you never know what in your application may strike someone...I had a couple of interviews that were at places that I too thought were out of my reach and they were real invitations!
     
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    Respond to the invite, pick a date. Tell them you're interested. Don't buy tickets until you get some sort of confirmation. It's hard to hint "hey, I'm worried you picked the wrong person", so be certain in your email to include your full name and AAMC #. Maybe ask a question of the coordinator of some sort, especially something that would make them look at your application.
     
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    Thank you very much for your advice. I've already scheduled the interview (I responded literally within minutes after receiving the invite), but I haven't made any travel plans yet.

    Yes, at first I also thought they must have found something on my application to be especially interesting, but then the doubt started kicking in. This is a great advice on contacting the coordinator in a subtle way. Something I will certainly consider doing.
     
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    How important are step scores after interviews if you received an invite to a program where you did not meet the cutoff?
     
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    As with all questions like this...it depends.
     
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    Agree with gutonc. Clearly something about your app got the program interested enough to invite you, but no way to know if they're seriously interested in you or if you were one of the last few people they invited for an interview.

    In any case, there's nothing to be done so worrying about it won't help. All will be revealed in March.
     
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    Thanks a ton! Its still confusing to me why a program would spend so much money and time and resources on an applicant when they have no intention of ranking them?
     
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    There's nothing to be confused about. If you got an invitation, they are currently considering ranking you. Doesn't mean you can't nuke that on interview day, But if they had no intention of ranking you at all, that invite would have gone to someone else.
     
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    Good to hear! Thanks gutonc and GoSpursGo!
     
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    It's historical now, but this is not true, at least in the past. I've told this story many times on SDN. Back in my training days, I did prelim IM at Elmhurst. Mt. Sinai sponsors the GME there. I got to know many/most of the EM residents, and all the faculty at Elmhurst, and did my elective month at Mt. Sinai. All those years ago, Scott Weingart, as an EM-2/PGY-3, working in the Elmhurst ICU, said, "I could work with you every day". My vacation month was November. I went to Tahiti, and got my interview invitation from Mt. Sinai that month.

    I went on that interview in January. It was more cursory, because, as one of the interviewers said, "We know you already" (and it wasn't ominous). When Match Day came, it also went, with me unmatched. Coincidentally, though - Mt. Sinai also didn't fill. Easy math shows that I was unranked. I scrambled into EM at the place I attended, and, later in the prelim year, one of the attendings told me that the Department Chair (who has been dead now for over 10 years) directed that NO FMGs would be ranked, with the exception of students from Sackler in Israel. I don't know if other Israeli med schools, like Technion, were also included. However, what was clear was that I was not.

    So, they burned an interview slot on me, well knowing it was going nowhere. But, as I say, this is now historical. I'm BC in EM, and Mt. Sinai always gets my attention, and think back wistfully to living in Queens, but just that - don't want to live there again. "People from NY can't wait to come back. People not from NY can't wait to leave."
     
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    Quite possibly the cruelest, most unethical thing a program can do. I'd like to believe the posters above that if they invited you, there's something they like about you and they'll consider ranking you unless you're not a good fit or something went wrong at the interview. It's expensive for everyone, but the programs are still making money; we're spending money we don't have with six-figure negative net-worth.
     
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    I guess the caveat to the adage that "if you got an invite, they're considering you" is that "if you did a rotation/prelim/etc at a place, it's possible they could give you a 'courtesy interview' even if you don't meet their requirements." It seems like a massive waste of time for everyone involved, though.

    Still, there's no way to know until match day.
     
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    In 2015, I interviewed at the Endocrine program at my medical school after doing residency elsewhere. Had a few concerns of program quality with the rotation sites - but my then-fiancee still had a year left in her MD/PhD at the same school, so I ranked it quite highly out of a desire to rejoin her and the fact that my parents still owned a condo in the town (where my wife was living at the time for some nominal couple hundred bucks a month). Interview was OK - was a little upset the department chair actually asked me to present a case to him, then pimped me on it, but I think my answers were reasonable.

    I fell below that program in the match. They only matched one of two slots. So they didn't rank me at all. Is it possible that my interaction with the department chair left me unranked? It's the only solution I could think of. The only other answer is that the interview was a courtesy as an alum of the medical school and they had no intention of ranking me.
     
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    Dude - that is black letter bull****. Beggars can't be choosers, if they didn't even fill, and, based on your clinical acumen that is evident even here on line, you are not weak.

    Leave them in the rear view mirror.
     
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    Howdy y'all...couples match question:

    I'm Peds, my fiancee is ENT in the couples match, both strong candidates. I've gotten a good amount of interviews, but I know many ENT programs haven't sent any interview invites out yet. Should we be emailing programs with the "my fiancee is interviewing at the peds program, etc." email before the ENT program has sent out ANY invites? Not sure if that's premature or not.
     
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    Thanks for doing this! I was wondering when the best time to send thank you notes would be after interviewing at a program. Should I just send an email addressed to the program director and program coordinator?

    Do you have any advice for attempting to get an interview offer at a program that has not sent me an interview invite yet but has not specifically mentioned they have put me on a waitlist?
     
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    If you send them, send them within a few weeks. I sent to the PD, PC, and individual interviewers - but the latter only if they gave me their email addresses.
     
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    First and foremost thank you guys for starting, and continuing this thread. I've read thru all of it (granted I skimmed a few pages here and there and may have forgotten some bits but the banter was golden) and had a question regarding having someone contact a program.

    It seems it is best to have a mentor contact the program and have them take a look at your application. The program I am interested in is linked to the undergrad I attended. One of my letter writers for medical school (a while ago, I know) is a professor at the medical school which is linked to the residency program. Would it be worth contacting her to see if she has any pull? I have not contacted her for a few years during medical school but she was happy to write me a letter even 2 years after graduating from my undergrad. I know this has been answered in terms of mentor... but I suppose I'm a bit unsure what mentor means (I'd assume your attendings that you worked with).

    Any input would be greatly appreciated as I've gotten a bit neurotic being a US-IMG with subpar scores (Step1 226, Step2 229, Step2CS 1st attempt). I've only gotten 6 interviews so I'm going to go all out and email the programs I have strong interests in.
     
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    Can’t hurt especially if she is willing to help.
     
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    Agree, in mid November you have nothing to lose at this point.
     
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    Honestly speaking how does one improve their CV given you already have done finished with USMLE steps which arent great. Since, I can not change my scores anymore I can not improve on it anymore. I am applying to FM since I am currently in FM in my home country. Given I only can do observerships given I am already a graduate. And to make it complicated I am a non-US IMG.
     
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    I wish I had something encouraging to say, but yes, it is extremely difficult to meaningfully improve your application as a non-US IMG once you graduate. If by "not great" you mean "average" in the 210-220ish range, then you may as well do some observerships, toss your hat in the ring and see what happens. If you mean you BARELY passed or have multiple attempts, then it's probably not realistic to try to match in the US at all--at a certain point you just have too many red flags that it becomes insurmountable.

    If for some reason you are HEAVILY invested in training in the US, you can try to find a research job or other role at a university that has an FM residency that you could realistically get your foot in the door at (ie has average USMLE scores close to what you got). But 1) there are tons of IMGs trying to do this exact thing, and 2) whether the job actually will get you an "in" is totally a guessing game, and there are plenty of places that will be happy to hire you as an overqualified research or nonmedical person with no intention or ability to ever get you into the residency. So you can give that route a shot, but it's a total crapshoot.
     
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    Hello,

    I would like to email a program that I did not apply to to see whether or not they consider me this late in the season. Is this allowed, or is it violating the communication code of conduct? Thanks!
     
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    There's no violation. It's a long shot, but you might get lucky--this is the time of the recruitment season when scheduled applicants start cancelling.
     
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    Not a violation.
     
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    Not a violation, but highly unlikely unless you're more competitive than all the other applicants on their waitlist.
     
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    Why would anyone take step2CK after 9/15 in the hopes of "sending if scores are high" and "not releasing if didn't do as well" since it seems like many programs want step2 prior to rank (i.e. if you did poorly they're going to find out anyway)?

    Thank you!
     
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    You could get an interview based on your step 1 score alone, and then if you do great on your interview they may be more willing to overlook a less-stellar step 2 score. If you have a damaging step 2 score up front then they might pass you over at the interview stage entirely.

    Not saying it's a great idea, but that's the thought process.
     
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    Many but not all programs want Step 2 to rank for a US grad. It is universally required for a FMG/IMG, but there still exist fields where a minority of programs require it.

    Folks reason that if they do very poorly on the test, they'll forego releasing it with the understanding that they might not be ranked at programs that require it - but at least it won't torpedo their chances at programs that don't require it. As more and more programs require it over time, this strategy becomes less viable.
     
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    its an absolute requirement for F/IMGs to submit a ROL...the NRMP will automatically pull the ROL of an F/IMG that does not have passed scores in I, CK, and CS.
     
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    Sorry if I wasn't clear - it's only ever optional for a US grad.
     
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    Thank you so much for the info!
     
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    Hi,
    If I change my name for personal reasons and go through the process, get the court order, what medical entities do I need to inform about this? Do I need to get a new ECFMG certificate? Haven't completed my residency yet, in PGY-3, thought is to get the name change done before end of the residency and before starting the job search.

    How about updating the NPI info with the new name?

    Does one need an updated diploma/paper certificate from medical school with the new name or the old one is good when presented with name change court order?

    Of course, have never done this before so don't know all the things that I need to do as far as the med./career life post-residency is concerned.

    Thanks you for your time!
     

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