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Hi, I am currently a grade 12 student in Ontario, Canada. Does anyone know what a competitive average is? The average that I will be applying with is 91.5% with other extracurriculars, is that good enough? Thank youApplicants applying for 2018 entry: here's the place to post your questions, concerns, etc.
I strongly suggest you go through 2 application rounds in Canada first before going overseas. Matching back is harder every year for IMGs. Going abroad should be the last resort. UNLESS you have EU citizenship and plan on practicing in EU.Hi, I am currently a grade 12 student in Ontario, Canada. Does anyone know what a competitive average is? The average that I will be applying with is 91.5% with other extracurriculars, is that good enough? Thank you
Applicants applying for 2018 entry: here's the place to post your questions, concerns, etc.
Just finished sending off my application for the 6 year program. Just out of curiosity, are there any stats for the acceptance rates on the irish unis? Here in the US, they usually give you some stats for you to gauge yourself
Hey guys! I appreciate any feedback.
Undergrad: biology major/chemistry minor. GPA: 3.69 Cum Laude
Graduate: Doctor of Physical Therapy
Experience: promoted to manager of large clinic with 6000+ hours experience in orthopedic outpatient setting.
Applied: 5 year program at Trinity in Dublin and 5 year Galway.
Awesome! Thanks for the feedback! The reason I didn’t apply to the 4 year is because I took the prerequisites 10 years ago, however, I just graduated from physical therapy school so sitting for that exam would be a full time job. With how much I am required to work as a manager, I would have to leave my job. I am not confident I would perform well on the MCAT, however, I am confident I would perform well in the medical classes.With those marks, and experience I don't know why you wouldn't try for a US-MD school first. Given you have a competitive uGPA and a fair gGPA you stand a chance in either USMD or ABP. Nonetheless, you asked for a chance on ABP admission. I think you'll fair well with some good LORs.
From my understanding, if you have an undergrad or any education above that, they typically want you in the 4 year MD. I remember reading about people being offered conditional acceptances either on the ABP website or here. Their condition is usually get above X on the MCAT or maintain X GPA.
I'd suggest applying to all applicable schools possible to kind of 'cast a wide net' so you have a better shot at acceptance. I would imagine if you're upstanding, they'll be happy to take you. Also, typically in lieu of an MCAT (for 5 and 6 year applicants) they heavily weigh in on your LORs. This is where the med schools Holistic approach to medicine differs from traditional schools.
Bottom line is that I feel you have a good shot at acceptance, ( just from reading old ABP Admission threads and comparing ) typically people with a doctorate wont apply to these schools so it will make you stand out compared to other traditional applicants.
Best of luck and welcome to the ride.
Ok Chiming in with hopes of some feedback, very non-trad applicant.
I'm from: Canada - but I have been in the USA for 5 years
Education: B. Mus in Music Therapy, Cum Laude - Internship (1200 hours) Children's Hospital Los Angeles - Music Therapist-Board Certified (MT-BC)
Applying to: TCD, RCSI, RCSI-MUB, UCD, UCC, NUIG, UL.
LORs: 1 from music therapy prof, 1 from internship supervisor at Children's Hosptial LA, 1 from current employer.
ECs: Plenty. RA, senior RA, and LLC coordinator for 3 plus years; volunteering; performing; various club leadership; working full-time as a Music Therapist; etc.
"Applicant Type ": Very non-traditional, I am a board-certified music therapist and I currently work full-time with adults and children with mental illnesses/developmental delay/TBI/ABI/Motor movement disorders/etc. and I previously worked in a hospital in infant palliative care, inpatient treatment, and inpatient rehab.
I've been reading a lot of threads and have been having mixed feelings about my chances given my background. Also, I applied to all the schools I could in Canada and have received 3/4 rejections from them so far. I'm feeling greatly discouraged because I have a strong feeling that the 4th school is going to be a no as well.
Hoping for some more insights.
I'm unfamiliar with the curriculum of a musical therapist, do you have the pre-reqs 4 year MD courses typically require ?
You have impressive hours in a children's hospital. Also, its definitely a benefit having recognition as a board certified music therapist. You seem to have a competitive GPA and MCAT compared to the past ABP generals I've read. (Typically 510 MCAT 3.7 GPA is a good chance of acceptance for non-trad imo)
As I've said before, from older generals I've gathered that ABP takes a holistic approach to apps (watch the vids the schools offer on the Atlantic Bridge website to get a good feel for each school (also, read the old AB program threads for a general feel of the process and expectations to form your own opinion)). If you seem to be a well rounded person and promising, you have a good chance.
To comment on your peds palliative experience, it's invaluable. I myself am a paramedic and have gathered vast experiences in both clinical and emergency medicine. I personally feel that it will make you shine on your application. Gathering from VLOGs and pre-med reddit, many people venture down scribe or paramedical routes to gain non clinical and clinical experience, respectively. Personally, I feel any experience you gather, any book you read, any lesson you learn; is invaluable.
IMO its normal to feel anxious and have self doubt bout acceptance. I myself have so much self doubt, I personally am nervous to spend another year not in medical school. These are normal feelings and many pre-meds feel the same way. As long as your heart lies with medicine, and you continue to try and pursue this lifestyle, you'll do great !
I think that you'll find a spot in Ireland this year, I wish you the best and welcome to The Ride !
P.S. Its been a common theme for people with your experience to apply to USMD courses. Have you tried with them yet? From what I read its much easier to traverse to Canadian Hospital Residency spots and even US Residency spots ( versus IMG Residency ). I don't mean to discourage you by any means, each person has their own path to follow. Account for all of your possible avenues.
One of the problems I have had in looking at USMD programs is in my prerecs. I do not have many of the typical prerecs that many pre-meds have. My prerecs are mostly psych based with a single anatomy course, and my lab experience is severely lacking. This makes the USMDs difficult. I've thought about the DO programs, but they don't seem like a good fit for me.
Ireland is not close to a first choice for me, but it is currently feeling like a very persuasive option. I appreciate your insight, and I will continue to comb the forums. Thank you.
Does when you submitted your application matter?
Does anybody know when they start notifying you about the program such as invites and acceptances, especially for people in Canada? Did others also get a vague email in the past couple of days about updating transcripts?
Okay, that makes much more sense, thanks for the information. And, just to make sure, even Limerick does not have interviews anymore or is it that RCSI does the one interview and all the schools use that as a reference?I received an email a few days ago requesting my fall marks on a course I'm currently doing. From the ABP threads I read from previous year; people typically get interview offers around end jan-feb. RCSI (the only school who interviews now) has been know to do a second round of interviews around April time. Typically, from what I read, people start to receive offers from schools in late feb into late march. I'm not sure if its Canada/US specific, but ABP told me that their demographic for admissions is predominantly Canadian due to Canadian medical schools being much more competitive than USMD schools.
Okay, that makes much more sense, thanks for the information. And, just to make sure, even Limerick does not have interviews anymore or is it that RCSI does the one interview and all the schools use that as a reference?
I just Finished high school with IB diploma program and got IB score of 41/45 with 7 in high level Biology and 6 in high level chemistry. I applied to 5-6 Ye program. What r my chances ? I am a US and Australian citizen currently living in Australia
I contacted ABP and they told me that "Admissions committees are just beginning to review applications at this time. RCSI has begun calling high school applicants to interview for their New York and Vancouver locations. No Graduate Entry Medicine candidates have been invited to interview yet. The other schools have not yet begun reviewing applications."
I got my interview for RCSI
Have they given a rough estimate of when they will invite for the GEM?I contacted ABP and they told me that "Admissions committees are just beginning to review applications at this time. RCSI has begun calling high school applicants to interview for their New York and Vancouver locations. No Graduate Entry Medicine candidates have been invited to interview yet. The other schools have not yet begun reviewing applications."
as a GEM applicant - I got so nervous reading that people got interviews. This quells that a lot - thank you!I contacted ABP and they told me that "Admissions committees are just beginning to review applications at this time. RCSI has begun calling high school applicants to interview for their New York and Vancouver locations. No Graduate Entry Medicine candidates have been invited to interview yet. The other schools have not yet begun reviewing applications."
Hi everyone! I did not apply to any schools that have interviews. But, I wanted to send a "good luck" to all of you attending interview in the near future.
Here are a couple links you might get something useful from!
Wishing everyone well!
- UK and Ireland Medical School Threads: UK + Irish Medical Schools
- Tips on MMI from this Cambridge student:
- MMI Practice Questions, guided playlist:
As someone who is also very non-trad (you can read my stuff above), I thought it was worth taking the risk. I thought it was worth the risk in my case because one year is not going to make my application anymore traditional. I have a lot of clinical/practical/work/volunteer experience, but it doesn't change my underlying degree. In a year I could take some supplementary courses, retake the MCAT, and gain more experience, but I can also start that process while also applying this year.I recently discovered ABP and frantically have been writing my application. Going for late submission obviously, but hoping this doesn't kill my chances since deadline is February 15 for primary app and April for supplementary ones. I have a 3.6 cGPA, 508 MCAT, and lots of volunteering, ECs, and work experience. I'm very non-trad, which I heard is not ideal. Should I submit my stuff or save the money and just hope for Australia 2019?
I did not receive anything yet too and it is making me freak out tooHey guys I applied for the 5/6 year medicine program and I haven't heard anything about an interview and I submitted everything in November and some people who submitted much later already got their interviews. Is this bad news? Someone at ABP program emailed me saying "most of the spots are filled up so its unlikely to get an interview at this time". I'm super worried since I thought I had a chance at getting in. I live in vancouver canada, is there anyone else who hasn't gotten an interview yet?
Hello guys, my interview is on the 25th for RCSI.
My stats were:
Sophomore in college
Two years of hospital volunteering
Biology teaching assistant & tutor
Neuro research no publications
Glowing recommendation letters
Multiple honors society/honors college
Besides that, I'm not sure what else got me an interview. Furthermore, would any of you be willing to share the pros/cons of this program, specifically RCSI.