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For real though I'm unemployed, I have two 12 hour car trips in the next 5 days, this is exactly the type of game I want to play...so if you're going to switch out anyway...I can put on my STL hat 😉
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I will even grant you the powers of idiot savantness! 😀 which means that you must channel your correctly flawed logic
 
Well, I might have a problem with 10 posts/day depending upon how busy my rotation gets. So I could see others having a problem if real life gets in the way of WW. It's hard to catch up and then post something relevant because the discussion moves pretty fast with this many people trying to get posts in. I do think it will get better the longer the game runs though.

I get how busy rotations can be. That is why we are having 36 hour day cycle so that hopefully everyone has some time in which they can jump on to discuss game events. And who cares if the conversation has moved on? I think we are all going to have to adapt and get used to the idea that obviously not everyone can be around at the same time to post and discuss things. So some people might comment on or bring things up from a few pages back. If you have an opinion on something that was discussed, then post it. That is why you saw a number of posts from me in a row last night. And why I am going back through now and commenting on things as I get through the thread. I am going to have to do it this way quite a bit this game, posting in giant blocks at times in which I can get on. So don't feel bad or like you can't comment on something from a few pages back, you definitely can.
 
I doubt there are any unimportant roles in this game. Even a PM type role, which I know some people don't find important, would be pretty useful.

Dy said that there was a possibility that people could lose/gain roles based on participation, so I think claims involving changes in role might pop up at some point too.
CLARIFICATION:
role abilities, not roles.
Also sorry just a clarification question , is close tonight or tomorrow night?

day 1 officially closes at 10 am (or whenever they let me leave
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Man, I would have loved this game 🙁
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In all seriousness, if you want a role, I was debating switching out after this lynch. Was going to give it to SOV, but it might be more entertaining for you two to somehow compete for it 😛
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SOV dislikes this post..
VERY MUCH dislikes it.
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CLARIFICATION:
role abilities, not roles.


day 1 officially closes at 10 am (or whenever they let me leave


sign up as a sub.
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1) Is everything ok? Are you in the hospital?
2) Is there an official sub sign up list? Haven't found it yet if there is. If not:

Sub List:
1) WZ
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Geez dy. That's really awful. Hopefully they can discharge you sooner than later.
 
apparently my body decided enough is enough and got me hypertensive and tachy post op. that with poorly controlled pain means i was admitted before i knew what was going on
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Oh no, I hope everything goes back to normal and you're able to leave soon 🙁
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I think a veteran wolf would be keen enough to avoid bandwagoning a potentially important villager right off the bat but as someone (VMH?) mentioned noobs wolves (if any) aren't able to talk to their counterparts yet and may have jumped the gun. Just something to consider.

True, I had forgotten that they haven't gotten to talk yet.
 
I'm going to Lynch STL for now. Reading back, I can see how people are getting feels on him.

I also have some feels for guis and hayley... not for any major reason I can put a finger on, but just feels.
 
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Sorry it was a bit rough Dy! Feel better soon.
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Feel better soon Dy! And here I was thinking that you were the one doing surgery today, not getting operated on
 
I'm going to Lynch STL for now. Reading back, I can see how people are getting feels on him.

I also have some feels for guis and hayley... not for any major reason I can put a finger on, but just feels.

I agree with guis and Hayley feels. It could just be leftover from past games but they're on my list of suspicions.
 
Not official lynch tally:

Teep 2
(AM, PBC)
1dog 1 (Deva)
WTF 0 ()
rocky 1 (shelter)
AB3 0 ()
guis 3 (zen, kaydubs, bsc)
genny 1 (guis)
hayley 1 (1dog)
mq 1 (LoTF)
RM 3 (AB3, sandy, WTF)
rojo 0
PBC 1
(hayley)
LoTF 2 (stl, LIS)
STL 7 (MQ, vetmedhead, rojo, genny, RM, rocky, DVMD)
Sandy 1
(Teep)
Sheltermed 1 (BBC)

25/28 votes counted

On mobile before work. Check your votes please. This was like 3 pages back
 
People are probably going to peg this as "too aggressive" and "defensive", but I don't mean it in that way. I just think that lynching people based on past games is lame. Often, people who are good wolves are also good villagers, and the role that someone had in one game has nothing to do with what role they got in another. I'm not saying that everyone who says they find me (and hayley) suspicious is saying it because both of us were fairly successful wolves recently, but if anyone is talking about residual feels from past games, I think that is a pretty crappy reason for lynching someone. This is not something that only is happening in this game either; Im not trying to single anyone out, its just been bothering me and I've seen it a lot lately.

Regarding BSC saying my posts sound generic, I have to say she's not wrong. They do sound kinda robotic. I'm currently working 2 jobs for about 70 hours a week, so I feel pretty robotic to be honest. If that's the reason that some people are getting feels from me, I think that's understandable. Wrong, but understandable 🙂 I'll try to sound less dead than I feel from now on! And I know I'm not currently leading in votes or anything, I just wanted to address people's feels since I happened to be online when a lot of those posts were posted. I'm definitely open to talking more about it if you all want to.
 
People are probably going to peg this as "too aggressive" and "defensive", but I don't mean it in that way. I just think that lynching people based on past games is lame. Often, people who are good wolves are also good villagers, and the role that someone had in one game has nothing to do with what role they got in another. I'm not saying that everyone who says they find me (and hayley) suspicious is saying it because both of us were fairly successful wolves recently, but if anyone is talking about residual feels from past games, I think that is a pretty crappy reason for lynching someone. This is not something that only is happening in this game either; Im not trying to single anyone out, its just been bothering me and I've seen it a lot lately.

The veterans have stated the above in numerous games previously. Just to clarify (I know you aren't singling anyone out) my position, the feels I have aren't based on any previous games. I can't even remember the last few games to be honest.. 😉

But yes, the above I agree on. Lynching people based on previous roles they had is bad form, we have mentioned it a number of times. However, lynching people because they are playing in a similar way as to a game in which they were a wolf, that is fair game.
 
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Man, I would have loved this game 🙁
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I totally thought this was a game for you!

I really don't feel the STL lynch right now. I know I could be totally wrong, but at this point I'm willing to hold off on lynching him. I do have some minor feels based off guis last post, so for now that is where my vote is going.

Lynch guis
 
People are probably going to peg this as "too aggressive" and "defensive", but I don't mean it in that way. I just think that lynching people based on past games is lame. Often, people who are good wolves are also good villagers, and the role that someone had in one game has nothing to do with what role they got in another. I'm not saying that everyone who says they find me (and hayley) suspicious is saying it because both of us were fairly successful wolves recently, but if anyone is talking about residual feels from past games, I think that is a pretty crappy reason for lynching someone. This is not something that only is happening in this game either; Im not trying to single anyone out, its just been bothering me and I've seen it a lot lately.

Regarding BSC saying my posts sound generic, I have to say she's not wrong. They do sound kinda robotic. I'm currently working 2 jobs for about 70 hours a week, so I feel pretty robotic to be honest. If that's the reason that some people are getting feels from me, I think that's understandable. Wrong, but understandable 🙂 I'll try to sound less dead than I feel from now on! And I know I'm not currently leading in votes or anything, I just wanted to address people's feels since I happened to be online when a lot of those posts were posted. I'm definitely open to talking more about it if you all want to.

Didn't mean my post to sound like I intended on lynching either of you for past games. I'm not. My Hayley vote was RNG. I just thought I might have feels, but I haven't made up my mind yet on if they're valid or not because I'm stuck on mobile right now and haven't had time to go back and read this thread again to make sure.
I wouldn't wanna be lynched for past games and I don't plan on lynching anyone for that either 😛 meant it more as food for thought for anyone wondering why I had feels.
 
Didn't mean my post to sound like I intended on lynching either of you for past games. I'm not. My Hayley vote was RNG. I just thought I might have feels, but I haven't made up my mind yet on if they're valid or not because I'm stuck on mobile right now and haven't had time to go back and read this thread again to make sure.
I wouldn't wanna be lynched for past games and I don't plan on lynching anyone for that either 😛 meant it more as food for thought for anyone wondering why I had feels.

No problem! I wasn't really directing that post at anyone, I was just kind of venting a frustration that I've had in the past few games. Food for thought is always helpful, especially in a game like this!
 
This statement confuses me, coming from someone who is in the lead for lynch votes at the time of posting.
I can rephrase and say if I am still alive if you prefer, don't care a ton if I live or not as I am just going to be working on my immuno game after this. Would be a pity if I did die on day 1, as Dubz would have fun with this game
 
No problem! I wasn't really directing that post at anyone, I was just kind of venting a frustration that I've had in the past few games. Food for thought is always helpful, especially in a game like this!
Considering every game I've played you've been lynched (or an attempted lynch) on like, D1, I can understand being frustrated, ha.
 
Being lynched due to grudges from past games really sucks. I've jokingly done it to people (ok, maybe just BI), but never with the intent of them actually being lynched. If a bandwagon started due to my joking vote, I would have changed my vote and explained my silly reason.
 
Huh.

I mean, STL could be a wolf. But..... If he slipped up like that it would be an odd/stupid mistake for a veteran player. Not that veterans can't make mistakes, but......

The voting pattern makes me a bit suspicious of Rojo. As a wolf, he would very much be thrilled at the chance to take STL off the board early in the game in a situation where he had great plausible deniability. And I feel like as a villager he would be a little more reluctant to lynch STL for the reasons people seem to be giving.

Dunno. It isn't sitting right with me.
 
I find it unfortunate that feedback about the 10 posts was characterized as griping. I know I wasn't looking for a rule change for this game, where I would presume the rules are set - I was just trying to offer player feedback for potential future games. Ah well.
 
Huh.

I mean, STL could be a wolf. But..... If he slipped up like that it would be an odd/stupid mistake for a veteran player. Not that veterans can't make mistakes, but......

The voting pattern makes me a bit suspicious of Rojo. As a wolf, he would very much be thrilled at the chance to take STL off the board early in the game in a situation where he had great plausible deniability. And I feel like as a villager he would be a little more reluctant to lynch STL for the reasons people seem to be giving.

Dunno. It isn't sitting right with me.
Now that you mention it, it reminds me of the Pokémon game where Rojo was shifting suspicion to STL early on and they were both wolves...
 
Huh.

I mean, STL could be a wolf. But..... If he slipped up like that it would be an odd/stupid mistake for a veteran player. Not that veterans can't make mistakes, but......

The voting pattern makes me a bit suspicious of Rojo. As a wolf, he would very much be thrilled at the chance to take STL off the board early in the game in a situation where he had great plausible deniability. And I feel like as a villager he would be a little more reluctant to lynch STL for the reasons people seem to be giving.

Dunno. It isn't sitting right with me.

I know it is early but do you have any other suspicions?

I can see why people are voting STL but I also agree that his idiot savantness is useful at times. I'd be willing to consider someone else with the suggestion that STL is seered if that ability is out there.
 
I know it is early but do you have any other suspicions?

I can see why people are voting STL but I also agree that his idiot savantness is useful at times. I'd be willing to consider someone else with the suggestion that STL is seered if that ability is out there.
See, I've never liked/been a fan of his idiot savantness and when he gets something right people remember it but all the other times he's wrong it's just not remembered. But I typically don't hold grudges. I just really was triggered by his post.

Wasn't expecting to lead to a Bandwagon, and I'm not the only veteran to agree with it.

But be suspicious of me, I'm ok with that.

His nonchalantness is also unnerving... In a game like this, one in the lead needs to really fight for their lives.
 
Now that you mention it, it reminds me of the Pokémon game where Rojo was shifting suspicion to STL early on and they were both wolves...
Eh, look back on every game I'm with him and I kinda do that. It's my thing. I even commented in the wolf thread that it would be suspicious if I didn't do that...
 
Trying to update my spreadsheet has made me realize that I can't read most people. So far, all of my tagged suspicious posts have been from newer players, and there's really nothing in them that couldn't be explained by inexperience.

So far, what's caught my attention are what strike me as unusual responses - RM's joking lynch of PBC for starting a bandwagon, AlphaBeta's vehement response at getting lynched, Sandstorm for wanting to lynch the new player just for being new and unknown (aren't you new too?)

What I've noticed, in this and other games, is that I tend to pick out aggression in newer players but let it slide for older veterans - DocE, STL, LIS, DVMD, and others I'm sure I've forgotten to mention (give me a break, it's late, I'm not looking at the roster right now, exclusion is no marker of disrespect). Maybe it's because I don't know the "newer" players' styles as well, but I feel like I've consistently seen veterans playing a little differently. Think of Mad Jack's reputation for saying/doing anything to avoid getting lynched, or DocE sometimes (to me) acting like a perpetual chaos character in conversation.

I guess, I peg newer players at the beginning of the game for talking too strongly, while (in other games, not enough time to do so here yet) I target older players for fading back later in the game (I think I remember seeing DVMD do this in SOV's Real Life WW a couple of years ago; Lupin may have done something similar in Incredibles WW before seering results came back, just before the prison break).

Do you all think this is a real play style difference? Either way, what's your advice for getting rid of the blind spots in my wolfdar? Until then, I'll do my best, but this exercise has made me realize how badly I need this remedial WW training.
 
See, I've never liked/been a fan of his idiot savantness and when he gets something right people remember it but all the other times he's wrong it's just not remembered. But I typically don't hold grudges. I just really was triggered by his post.

Wasn't expecting to lead to a Bandwagon, and I'm not the only veteran to agree with it.

But be suspicious of me, I'm ok with that.

His nonchalantness is also unnerving... In a game like this, one in the lead needs to really fight for their lives.

His nonchalance is getting me too. Others are bringing up very valid points about having role abilities not necessarily being wolfy etc., but my concern is that he seems either unconcerned about being lynched or as if he doesn't expect anything to come of being lynched. I understand maybe making some missteps with tone when posting, but once heat starts to come on you most players will jump to clarify their tone pretty quickly. While he gave explanations for it, he also continued to make more comments that had the same type of problems in them, which makes me wonder what the heck is going on.

Of course, he's also a veteran player and I think we all expect better of him than to get lynched for not talking correctly. It just feels strange to me.
 
I do NOT have a good feeling about this....

About what?

STL a veteran. Plz ho.
From where I'm sitting, he is. You are too.

Also, to everyone, please don't turn this into a noobs vs vets flame war. I just realized how my post could come off, and that really wasn't my intent. I guess, any advice from my second question?




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Eh, look back on every game I'm with him and I kinda do that. It's my thing. I even commented in the wolf thread that it would be suspicious if I didn't do that...
Can verify. If Rojo didn't vote me day 1, I would be suspicious of him.

Honestly, I am not sure what you expect me to do at this point. If I had a role, I would probably hold out until the last possible moment to reveal. If I didn't, I am the victim of a first day lynch and I am not going to be able to get out of it. Either way you probably won't get much from me tonight other than what I have said
 
Trying to update my spreadsheet has made me realize that I can't read most people. So far, all of my tagged suspicious posts have been from newer players, and there's really nothing in them that couldn't be explained by inexperience.

So far, what's caught my attention are what strike me as unusual responses - RM's joking lynch of PBC for starting a bandwagon, AlphaBeta's vehement response at getting lynched, Sandstorm for wanting to lynch the new player just for being new and unknown (aren't you new too?)

What I've noticed, in this and other games, is that I tend to pick out aggression in newer players but let it slide for older veterans - DocE, STL, LIS, DVMD, and others I'm sure I've forgotten to mention (give me a break, it's late, I'm not looking at the roster right now, exclusion is no marker of disrespect). Maybe it's because I don't know the "newer" players' styles as well, but I feel like I've consistently seen veterans playing a little differently. Think of Mad Jack's reputation for saying/doing anything to avoid getting lynched, or DocE sometimes (to me) acting like a perpetual chaos character in conversation.

I guess, I peg newer players at the beginning of the game for talking too strongly, while (in other games, not enough time to do so here yet) I target older players for fading back later in the game (I think I remember seeing DVMD do this in SOV's Real Life WW a couple of years ago; Lupin may have done something similar in Incredibles WW before seering results came back, just before the prison break).

Do you all think this is a real play style difference? Either way, what's your advice for getting rid of the blind spots in my wolfdar? Until then, I'll do my best, but this exercise has made me realize how badly I need this remedial WW training.
I think there are two categories of unusual responses: unusual because they draw too much attention to something or unusual because they're drawing too much attention away from something else. I think the question is usually whether you can think of a good reason other than wolfiness for the player to be drawing everyone else's attention in other directions.

I definitely think being unfamiliar with someone's playing style can be a hindrance for WW games. While posting frequency is usually very influenced by playing style, that's nor really an issue for this game, and thusly players are required to focus much more on content/tone/wording/people someone is talking to on thread, and these types of things tend to be more nuanced from player to player I guess.

In some ways, having a known playing style can be a hindrance. People may not immediately trust things MJ or DocE share on thread even if it's true and they haven't acted suspicious all game because those players have (intentionally or not) cultivated a playing style that says that this information is not always to be trusted and other players remember that from game to game. Newer players tend to be bigger unknowns and can definitely use this to their advantage, but many of them fall into common new player pitfalls that make them easy to suss out despite not knowing their playing style well. These types of nooby pitfalls are exactly why I think people need to be paying close attention to playing styles now, while baby wolves don't have access to guidance and instruction from more experienced players telling them how to avoid outing themselves.
 
Fair point. After searching "STL" in posts by you they were mostly "lynch stl because it's what I do" :laugh:
Even when a wolf, try to lie as little as possible. My vote for stl should be viewed as neither villager or wolf at face value. My gay wolfdar will help you determine my wolf vs villager status.
 
I think there are two categories of unusual responses: unusual because they draw too much attention to something or unusual because they're drawing too much attention away from something else. I think the question is usually whether you can think of a good reason other than wolfiness for the player to be drawing everyone else's attention in other directions.

I definitely think being unfamiliar with someone's playing style can be a hindrance for WW games. While posting frequency is usually very influenced by playing style, that's nor really an issue for this game, and thusly players are required to focus much more on content/tone/wording/people someone is talking to on thread, and these types of things tend to be more nuanced from player to player I guess.

In some ways, having a known playing style can be a hindrance. People may not immediately trust things MJ or DocE share on thread even if it's true and they haven't acted suspicious all game because those players have (intentionally or not) cultivated a playing style that says that this information is not always to be trusted and other players remember that from game to game. Newer players tend to be bigger unknowns and can definitely use this to their advantage, but many of them fall into common new player pitfalls that make them easy to suss out despite not knowing their playing style well. These types of nooby pitfalls are exactly why I think people need to be paying close attention to playing styles now, while baby wolves don't have access to guidance and instruction from more experienced players telling them how to avoid outing themselves.
Wow, for a noob this is actually super insightful and fairly spot on.
 
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