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Well I finally figured out what people were talking about yesterday and the posting early what not. I am still not sure why people saw that as suspicious though. When I was reading it I just saw people voting for how long they wanted the cycle to be? At least I think I figured it out.

People weren't talking about voting for time as being suspicious, it was after dy said the day 1 was starting and roles were going out but before dy said that if you didn't get a PM you were vanillager. I think some people took that as if you were posting, you must've already gotten a role PM. Since dy hadnt said no pm = vanillager yet.
 
As far as I'm aware a player can be given a protector role and can select a person each(?) night cycle to protect so that if the wolves were to try to kill them it wouldn't work. I don't know if protectors can ever protect others during the day cycle preventing them from being lynched even if they are the lynch leader though. I also don't know if that role would be included in this particular game.
Lynch protection is unusual and probably not in this game.
 
A protector probably not in this game or lynch protection? I would think no to lynch protection but a protector maybe a basic role?

I meant that lynch protection is probably not on this game. It's more of a superfluous game mechanic.

Standard night protection is probably a role. I'd be surprised if we have a seer and no protector.
 
So what are thoughts on me giving seer results out on the thread? Wildzoo should be around soon to take over for me, but I am not sure if by doing that, I am going to end up having players i seered targeted for kill/conversion. But if I don't post it on the thread and am killed, I have no way of getting results out without pming. What are people's thoughts?
 
So what are thoughts on me giving seer results out on the thread? Wildzoo should be around soon to take over for me, but I am not sure if by doing that, I am going to end up having players i seered targeted for kill/conversion. But if I don't post it on the thread and am killed, I have no way of getting results out without pming. What are people's thoughts?

Keep it to yourself unless it's a wolf. Like you said, you'd only be giving the wolves conversion or kill targets. We don't need to know confirmed villagers - that helps narrow down the suspects, but not substantially, and it's not worth it at this point.
 
So what are thoughts on me giving seer results out on the thread? Wildzoo should be around soon to take over for me, but I am not sure if by doing that, I am going to end up having players i seered targeted for kill/conversion. But if I don't post it on the thread and am killed, I have no way of getting results out without pming. What are people's thoughts?


Did I miss something? How is this happening?
 
Either because STL is just nice like that or he's busy irl. Probably the latter. 😉
 
So what are thoughts on me giving seer results out on the thread? Wildzoo should be around soon to take over for me, but I am not sure if by doing that, I am going to end up having players i seered targeted for kill/conversion. But if I don't post it on the thread and am killed, I have no way of getting results out without pming. What are people's thoughts?

Keep it to yourself unless the protector gets deaded. Then post since you're going to die the next night.

Assuming you're telling the truth and not pulling a wolfy stunt to begin with, that is.
 
I don't think there's really any question why the wolves didn't kill STL. It's obviously one of two reasons:

1) They assumed there is a protector and the protector would (obviously, assuming they are paying attention) protect STL. Thus, wasted kill attempt.

-or-

2) STL is a wolf.

I'm not ready to lynch him, but I'm not even close to ready to commit to believing he's a villager seer. This could have been a long play from him all along. He's easily clever enough for it.
 
I'm torn on an initial lynch vote. I hate to vote early and dampen down discussion, but I also work from noon to midnight tomorrow.

For now, going off yesterday's suspicion:

lynch Devastating
 
I don't think there's really any question why the wolves didn't kill STL. It's obviously one of two reasons:

1) They assumed there is a protector and the protector would (obviously, assuming they are paying attention) protect STL. Thus, wasted kill attempt.

-or-

2) STL is a wolf.

I'm not ready to lynch him, but I'm not even close to ready to commit to believing he's a villager seer. This could have been a long play from him all along. He's easily clever enough for it.
Yeah, like I said yesterday, he is waiting for the real seer to seer him and out that he is fos and thus put a target on their back, or to throw a legit person under the bus, or is actually the affiliation seer.
 
So, if we have an actual affiliation or role seer, I don't know how you play this right now. Clearly you don't have anyone you really trust unless you clear them as well, you might want to go back to page 1 or 2 and like someone you trust's page if you want to communicate that STL is a wolf...
 
I like it. There's enough to filter through each day cycle having that break of no posts and not having to even think about checking the thread is really nice.

I love having the thread locked at night-time, for what my player opinion is worth.

I mean, on the one hand, yes, 36hrs is more than ample time, and yes, it mimics real life mafia/ww night time, but I think one is a lazy excuse and given the length of time and the no onus to post 10x, it won't be an insufferable amount of posts, and sometimes the discussion can be really good regarding lynch results and how to interpret them, which might be lost in 12hrs of waiting
 
I dunno how basic an assassin is either, and no, seer is the most important role, followed by protector
Not basic enough. Idk how bare bones we are but I feel.....protector-seer (typical: role name), then tier 2: tracker, +/- affiliation seer, item maker, assassin

Blocker falls into tier 1 or 2, either wolf or village. Then you complicate rolls from there
 
Can a player be converted if they are being protected? Was reading back on the previous day's posts by STL and wondering.

Does protector-seer = one role? I thought they were two separate things but I guess it could be called something weird like that.

And I guess that means we would have up to "tier 2" roles since we have claimed "alliance seer" if he's telling the truth.
 
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Too many words making too many long paragraphs. My ADD can't handle it.

I do know who probably doesn't even break a sweat with a post minimum though. *cough* @thedrjojo *cough*

Sad I'm missing out!
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Too many words making too many long paragraphs. My ADD can't handle it.

I do know who probably doesn't even break a sweat with a post minimum though. *cough* @thedrjojo *cough*

Sad I'm missing out!
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It was actually hard. My posts are usually more fluff, and I was busy, hence my random ass times of posting
 
If they were going to kill for that reason wouldn't they have first killed STL? Unless they believed he might be protected for the night or I guess that they might get someone with a more dangerous to wolves role...
The wolves probable want to find and kill the protector before going after STL.

As far as I'm aware a player can be given a protector role and can select a person each(?) night cycle to protect so that if the wolves were to try to kill them it wouldn't work. I don't know if protectors can ever protect others during the day cycle preventing them from being lynched even if they are the lynch leader though. I also don't know if that role would be included in this particular game.
I've played games where protecting was for a full night/day cycle and other times people had lynch protection roles, but I don't feel that would be in a basics game. Some roles also have lynch avoidance, again not something I suspect we'll see here.

I don't think there's really any question why the wolves didn't kill STL. It's obviously one of two reasons:

1) They assumed there is a protector and the protector would (obviously, assuming they are paying attention) protect STL. Thus, wasted kill attempt.

-or-

2) STL is a wolf.

I'm not ready to lynch him, but I'm not even close to ready to commit to believing he's a villager seer. This could have been a long play from him all along. He's easily clever enough for it.
I think #2 would be super risky as I suspect seer is one of the roles out there and the real seer would hopefully be able to find a way to push for his lynch.

Can a player be converted if they are being protected? Was reading back on the previous day's posts by STL and wondering.

Does protector-seer = one role? I thought they were two separate things but I guess it could be called something weird like that.

And I guess that means we would have up to "tier 2" roles since we have claimed "alliance seer" if he's telling the truth.
Mods generally have an order that actions take place in, so if protection comes before conversion than maybe it would protect from conversion, if it comes after, then it definitely would not. I'm leaning towards there being no converts in this game though. That's just my opinion though.

Protector and seer should be two separate roles in just about every game, but especially a basics game.
 
To me the Sandy kill looks like the wolves were trying to kill off someone who was generating discussion and perhaps hoping to find someone else that had an ability. I think Sandy was one of the earliest to get to the 10 post minimum and not everyone even reached the minimum.
 
So what are thoughts on me giving seer results out on the thread? Wildzoo should be around soon to take over for me, but I am not sure if by doing that, I am going to end up having players i seered targeted for kill/conversion. But if I don't post it on the thread and am killed, I have no way of getting results out without pming. What are people's thoughts?

Lets what if a few scenarios:

1. The wolves get lucky and kill the protector. You information dump and then you die.

Ultimately, everything end up on the thread anyway. If it is just affiliation info, then there is no risk to the protector even if you find them.

2. The wolves do have a conversion. You get converted and give them everything. Villagers get nothing due to the PM restriction.

This possibility concerns me more. They may get a day or two extra utility out of you before you are finally lynched too.

3. We kill you now and play the game the way it was meant to be played.

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Your information is useless if it doesn't get out and in pretty much all scenarios it helps the wolves regardless. Something to think about anyway.
 
I'm torn on an initial lynch vote. I hate to vote early and dampen down discussion, but I also work from noon to midnight tomorrow.

For now, going off yesterday's suspicion:

lynch Devastating
Why would voting early reduce discussion? If anything, voting early gives the accused more time to defend themselves from getting lynched (should they feel the need to), so wouldn't it increase discussion? The only bad part I can see is if someone puts an early vote and refuses to change out of it (just because they feel the need to have a vote down), but that doesn't sound like what you were referring to.

With that being said, lynch teep per my feelings yesterday. And I'm very open to discussing this or other candidates 🙂
 
2. The wolves do have a conversion. You get converted and give them everything. Villagers get nothing due to the PM restriction.

This possibility concerns me more. They may get a day or two extra utility out of you before you are finally lynched too.

This concerns me too. I understand that even if STL clears someone, conversion could change that. So I don't understand the problem with just posting affiliation results. Wouldn't that narrow down the pool of lynch candidates? The wolves already know who the villagers are, so I don't see how it helps them to have STL post that someone is a villager. It helps villagers not lynch one of our own for one day at least.
 
This concerns me too. I understand that even if STL clears someone, conversion could change that. So I don't understand the problem with just posting affiliation results. Wouldn't that narrow down the pool of lynch candidates? The wolves already know who the villagers are, so I don't see how it helps them to have STL post that someone is a villager. It helps villagers not lynch one of our own for one day at least.

One way or the other STL is going to die. The wolves don't have to do it, because we will. Outing people as cleared is just going to give the wolves targets for conversion. Really it comes down to hoping STL randomly picks a wolf within the next day or two.
 
This concerns me too. I understand that even if STL clears someone, conversion could change that. So I don't understand the problem with just posting affiliation results. Wouldn't that narrow down the pool of lynch candidates? The wolves already know who the villagers are, so I don't see how it helps them to have STL post that someone is a villager. It helps villagers not lynch one of our own for one day at least.
Yes, the wolves know who the villagers are. But outing a "confirmed" (I use this term lightly since we don't know if STL is truly a villager seer) villager puts a target on their back and we're back to square one after they're wolf-killed. Wolves want to avoid getting lynched and lynch villagers instead. If we know one person is not a wolf, then that is one less person that might be lynched and it becomes slightly more likely a wolf will be lynched instead. May not make a huge difference now but it gets more and more significant as the numbers dwindle down. Also makes the person a good candidate for conversion since we trust them.
 
I think whether or not STL should reveal depends upon if we think conversion is in this game or not. Having only played recent SDN versions of WW I'm not actually sure if conversion is a WW staple or not.
 
Right now, I think it's jojo. The comment he posted saying "if you seered me, you can signal me" seems in genuine to me. The odds that someone picked him out of all these people, after only one technical day, is really low. But the comment makes it seem like he has nothing to hide. He has a better chance of making people believe he's not a wolf than having been seen. I also think if STL is a seer, and has been told not to reveal anyone unless they were a wolf, then he would know for sure that he was safe and that it was a good gamble to take.

Let me know if I'm doing this wrong

Lynch drjojo
 
Conversion or not I still think it's best he keeps it to himself until the protector is gone.

I guess I don't particularly agree with that.

If there are no conversions I don't see why you shouldn't out the info. STL said he was an affiliation seer so all we would get is wolf or not wolf. The general belief seems to be that abilities are scarce, so odds are he picked a vanillager anyways. Having that person cleared means one less person to waste a lynch on and making the wolves waste a kill if they want to get rid of them. If STL turns out to be a wolf, we can analyze the list. It just seems that doing a post protector death list reveal would make it too easy to pick dead people and use them as evidence.
 
It just seems that doing a post protector death list reveal would make it too easy to pick dead people and use them as evidence.
I'm not sure I understand what you mean by that. If STL is a wolf, he knows who's villager and who's not. He wouldn't need to pick dead people as evidence.

I'm now on the side of STL not revealing info unless a villager he seered has a strong likelihood of getting lynched or if he finds a wolf. Even if conversions aren't a problem, the wolves would probably focus their attention on killing seered villagers to keep uncertainty high. Additionally, if there's public uncertainty about alignments, it leaves an opportunity for wolves to push a lynch on the seered villager. Once STL speaks up, we can analyze the bandwagon just like a normal lynch vote, with the benefit that the seered villager stays alive for that day.

Basically, by STL not revealing right now, the villagers have more options for how to find wolves.
 
Yes, the wolves know who the villagers are. But outing a "confirmed" (I use this term lightly since we don't know if STL is truly a villager seer) villager puts a target on their back and we're back to square one after they're wolf-killed. Wolves want to avoid getting lynched and lynch villagers instead. If we know one person is not a wolf, then that is one less person that might be lynched and it becomes slightly more likely a wolf will be lynched instead. May not make a huge difference now but it gets more and more significant as the numbers dwindle down. Also makes the person a good candidate for conversion since we trust them.
Ok, thanks for explaining this. It didn't occur to me that cleared villagers would become targets for wolves. I guess I was thinking that all villagers are targets for wolves. Just because someone is cleared, I didn't think it would make them a kill target because leaving them alive can turn them into villager lynch targets as conversion suspects.
 
I guess I don't particularly agree with that.

If there are no conversions I don't see why you shouldn't out the info. STL said he was an affiliation seer so all we would get is wolf or not wolf. The general belief seems to be that abilities are scarce, so odds are he picked a vanillager anyways. Having that person cleared means one less person to waste a lynch on and making the wolves waste a kill if they want to get rid of them. If STL turns out to be a wolf, we can analyze the list. It just seems that doing a post protector death list reveal would make it too easy to pick dead people and use them as evidence.

Why would you consider this as the wolves wasting a kill? Isn't their goal to kill all the villagers no matter if they've been cleared or not?
 
I think #2 would be super risky as I suspect seer is one of the roles out there and the real seer would hopefully be able to find a way to push for his lynch.
I think everyone is floating the idea that STL is a wolf claiming seer because he did that once in a speed game. Risky, but if you can do it it will pay off. If STL is a wolf, an actual seer may be reticent to claim that on thread out of fear of being killed the next night by wolves or having a target painted on their back for the rest of the game (which is what STL has basically done to himself here).

This concerns me too. I understand that even if STL clears someone, conversion could change that. So I don't understand the problem with just posting affiliation results. Wouldn't that narrow down the pool of lynch candidates? The wolves already know who the villagers are, so I don't see how it helps them to have STL post that someone is a villager. It helps villagers not lynch one of our own for one day at least.
The question is always how reliable the information is. I'm always a bit reticent to trust seering info because it always has a chance of being unreliable, causing people to permanently trust someone who could later be converted, or be outright false if the seer themselves is converted but they are still operating under their seer claim.

As for protecting, I feel that traditionally it would protect from night kills, but not necessarily protect from conversions.
 
Why would you consider this as the wolves wasting a kill? Isn't their goal to kill all the villagers no matter if they've been cleared or not?
Yes, but the strategic wolf will be hunting for villagers with role abilities, as they are generally more dangerous to wolves and more likely to figure out who wolves are.
 
I'm not sure I understand what you mean by that. If STL is a wolf, he knows who's villager and who's not. He wouldn't need to pick dead people as evidence.

It just seems to me like it would be easier to fabricate some list down the road than to have names as we go.

Why would you consider this as the wolves wasting a kill? Isn't their goal to kill all the villagers no matter if they've been cleared or not?

Because they would be getting rid of someone we could trust. If we think they are trust worthy, we wouldn't lynch them. Uncertainty overall benefits wolves.

The whole point being my thoughts are moot if conversions are present. I guess people are assuming that they are?
 
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