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You guys suck, the sky is falling, and look at my truck. I just took 10 minutes out of my life to read the strangest thread in the history of SDN. It started with roid rage and ended with an adventure outdoors round table. Just struck me as very bizarre.
You guys suck, the sky is falling, and look at my truck. I just took 10 minutes out of my life to read the strangest thread in the history of SDN. It started with roid rage and ended with an adventure outdoors round table. Just struck me as very bizarre.
I'm just busting your balls. You add a lot of clinical experience here. Just had to laugh at a thread called "YOU SUCK!!!!!"
Frankly, it was one of the more enjoyable threads in a while. Too bad it was closed so early,
Narcotized said:Where it was going was pickup trucks and wilderness survival. It was so far gone into that that closing the thread seemed a bit after the fact.
Where it was going was pickup trucks and wilderness survival.
...Anyone's free to start a thread iN any funky bold faced font they like about trucks, the wilderness, watches, whiskey, politics, or dressing up like Kenny from South Park.
Re: censorship
The thread in question was not closed on one person's whim.
Keep in mind that the SDN anesthesia forum does not exist in a vacuum. Though we've long been afforded the freedom to run things in a more laissez faire manner, we are still subject to the site-wide terms of use. Although Arch, I, and cchoukal are the three anesthesia mods, there are other mods and admins with an interest in this forum.
Anyone's free to start a thread iN any funky bold faced font they like about trucks, the wilderness, watches, whiskey, politics, or dressing up like Kenny from South Park.
What one is not free to do is throw old-timer weight around and make blatant attempts to intimidate new users (eg "First and only warning to a dude with TWENTY FOUR posts"). If one reason for closing the thread had to be highlighted, that's it.
Unfortunately yes, it was a bit after the fact. Efforts to avoid knee-jerk moderating mean sometimes we get behind the curve as we consider what to do, or whether we should do anything at all. We were behind the curve on that thread.
They say players win games, coaches lose games, and referees ruin games. I don't know if there's an internet forum corollary to that, but moderators are certainly more akin to referees ...
So we do our best to stay out of the way, but not let things get out of hand.
Executive summary - anyone can be as off-topic or entertaining as they want, but no one person owns this place, the TOS are always there in the background, so don't be a twit and your threads won't be closed. 😉
Btw Pgg, I'm far from a
Twit,
as you
so eloquently
put it.
you are
Stifling
Learning?
Jet, not that it matters, but I like you. I'm glad you're here to contribute.
No, really.
But do me two favors.
1) Take a step back, and look at what you wrote to the med student of 25 posts, and tell me with a straight face that you weren't being a twit.
2) Search the forum and count the number of closed threads (that weren't CRNA trollfests / spam) in the last year, and then get back to me about this horrible censorship problem that's so teeth-gnash-worthy.
There's a sticky from Lee at the top of this forum. TOS 2 & 9 are VERY loosely enforced here, but we can't and won't ignore them completely.
There is PLENTY of room to argue, debate, and gripe about virtually ANY topic related or un-related to anesthesia.
Seriously? Put down the bong.
What exactly were you attempting to teach in the closed thread?
Pssst, Jet ...
Don't look now, but we're arguing. And the thread is still open. 😀
Not that I want to continue this argument or add fuel to the fire but I just wanted to contribute one final point. As a medical student, we look up to attendings as leaders in positions we one day hope to reach. I understand that JPP has been around this forum more than I have, has more experience than I will have for a long time, and is a more valuable member to the forum than I am.
Regardless, that is not an excuse to threaten people on a forum and to call someone gay for not knowing what the U is. Really? That behavior is unacceptable from anyone, let alone a professional physician. I may not be in a position to say/do much but that's how I feel regardless of if I get no support in that belief. This forum should be a place to learn and build a career, not a place to be harassed and told "you guys suck".
Not that I want to continue this argument or add fuel to the fire but I just wanted to contribute one final point. As a medical student, we look up to attendings as leaders in positions we one day hope to reach. I understand that JPP has been around this forum more than I have, has more experience than I will have for a long time, and is a more valuable member to the forum than I am.
Regardless, that is not an excuse to threaten people on a forum and to call someone gay for not knowing what the U is. Really? That behavior is unacceptable from anyone, let alone a professional physician. I may not be in a position to say/do much but that's how I feel regardless of if I get no support in that belief. This forum should be a place to learn and build a career, not a place to be harassed and told "you guys suck".
you gotta grow some thicker skin kiddo, if you want to be a successful private practice doctor. grow up. this isn't a political conference where everybody uses perfectly PC quotes and sound bites. this is real life. and when you go to a hospital in wherever, you're going to work with a doctor that calls something "gay" or whatever. Are you going to act like a twerp and make an issue out of it? Or are you going to just do your job and realize he uses that word to mean one thing and you use it to mean another??Not that I want to continue this argument or add fuel to the fire but I just wanted to contribute one final point. As a medical student, we look up to attendings as leaders in positions we one day hope to reach. I understand that JPP has been around this forum more than I have, has more experience than I will have for a long time, and is a more valuable member to the forum than I am.
Regardless, that is not an excuse to threaten people on a forum and to call someone gay for not knowing what the U is. Really? That behavior is unacceptable from anyone, let alone a professional physician. I may not be in a position to say/do much but that's how I feel regardless of if I get no support in that belief. This forum should be a place to learn and build a career, not a place to be harassed and told "you guys suck".
grow up. this isn't a political conference where everybody uses perfectly PC quotes and sound bites. this is real life.
Uhhhhhhh....
YEP.
You got me.
And
YOU'RE RIGHT.
That's big, man.
I wanna protect the ability of this forum to accommodate
DIFFERENCE OF OPINION
WITHOUT CENSORSHIP
Arch recently censored a thread that should not have been censored.
And you, PGG, are
like you are reading some kinda cue card outta some kinda socialistic realm..
I encourage you budding private practice attendings to
look the other way from the
NURSE ADMINISTRATOR TYPE THINKING
that's being shown here and
DO LESS.
STEVE JOBS WORE JEANS TO PRESS RELEASES.
Think about that the next time you wanna act like a nurse
STUPIDVISOR
here.
So, do you support, then, some of my "controversial" posts? My difference of opinion on certain taboo matters? Do you stand out against my censorship? (I'm still on probation man..) Some of your buddies would indeed have me banned for LIFE for the issues I've discussed and the videos I've posted. How about you Jet? Or is it a one way street?
I've been around long enough to remember a TON of great posts and exchanges on this forum. I'm partial to certain posters, and they have my bias, admitedly (JPP is one of them. Again, I admit that). So, Jet, this is not an attack but rather a few simple questions.
It absolutely was a strange thread. Very schizophrenic. But as a participant it was strangely refreshing.... Before censorship.
Aggressive moderation will occur thereafter with the goal of guiding the forum to operate with the same TOS policies as the rest of SDN.
Jet, I think it's a little hypocritical to complain about the damage to the "learning environment" while at the same time calling people derogatory names and creating an intimidating atmosphere. Granted, nothing gets me randier than being bullied and called homophobic slurs, but that's only when it's my wife's turn to be on top (which, yes, is every night... 🙁), but it doesn't work for everybody.
Yea I agree with the censorship post.
Arch came in and squashed it...btw Arch that was pretty judgmental, offering your opinion on my little tidbit (which WAS funny btw)! Lighten up EZ E!!
Yeah Arch.
Your opinion of "this thread is going nowhere so closing..."
Whatever dude.
It was harmless, entertaining, and sparked some interest.
Why are you censoring controversy?
Like Plank previously said,
Are you and your bow-tie-wearing moderators so concerned with being
PC
that you are
Stifling
Learning?
Man how I deplore academics....
The ones "In Charge" at our teaching institutions are
PREDICTABLY
inferior
to private practice physicians.....not all, but most.
They are there, making 300k
for a reason.
You "moderators"
are
"leading"
this forum
into the same trap.
The thread wasn't censored, it was moderated. This may seem like a trivial matter of semantics to you but I can assure you that there is a significant difference.
Let me quote the guy who started this whole thing called SDN:
Check out Sticky#4
Multiple complaints were received from multiple users. No action was taken until area mods and other staff discussed the issue in detail. I do not act in unilateral fashion in this forum unless it is something obvious (nurses trolling, etc.)
Despite the aforementioned sticky and quote from Lee, this forum is among the most lightly moderated forum on the entire website.
Despite accusations otherwise, threads are rarely closed and even if they are bad ones they are allowed to run their course. The forum does a great job of self-regulating.
Off topic threads are welcomed and never shut down.
In some of the forums area mods edit posts and censor certain material and this is well within their rights. Normally this is only done with inappropriate and/or objectionable material. This is not a democracy, it is a website run by volunteers who have chosen to adopt certain rules of forum decorum. Myself and the other mods in this forum as well as the users want a more lightly moderated forum (within reason).
About the only time I ever truly censor/edit threads is when personally identifiable information has been posted about members of the forum (which has happened on more than one occasion).
Moderation is not a science. Nobody is going to agree with everything all of the time.
Ok ok ok
Give me some lee way.
I've spoken with Lee on the phone at times in past about this and that, so don't throw the
Lee
thing around like you're
Paris Hilton.
<snip>
Are you feeling uncomfortable, emailing your nearest 24 year old moderator on what to do?[/B]
Lol
It is hard to even formulate a logical reply to this post.
One thread in recent memory has been closed.
Stop the hate dude.
I encourage you budding private practice attendings to
look the other way from the
NURSE ADMINISTRATOR TYPE THINKING
that's being shown here and
DO LESS.
STEVE JOBS WORE JEANS TO PRESS RELEASES.
Think about that the next time you wanna act like a nurse
STUPIDVISOR
here.
I might have missed it too, why is David on probation?
I hope my question does not violate the TOS or irritates some mod though.
I actually love this thread! 😀
Sorry that you see it this way slim. Moderation isn't always cut and dry. Many users find you very judgmental BTW.
No one here remotely thinks or acts like a nurse administrator although I can't say the same thing for your friends over at the CRNA forum that you have frequented in the past.
Despite the fact that I've razzed Jet for overusing bold and huge fonts, I have to agree with him on this one. I think a forum like this is best if left to run a little bit wild, within reason. Who wants a forum where you have to walk on egg shells with every post. An anonymous forum such as this is best if it has somewhat of a "wild west" feel to it. In fact, I've put my heart and sould into some pretty lengthy posts and people just lurk, lurk, lurk and then post 2 line garbage. Otherwise, such a forum becomes pointless if it's no different that typical, shallow, overly censored, politically correct, generally meaningless daily conversation. Now that being said, the thread was slapped down for no reason other than possibly being as boring as the past posts Jet was talking about.
I'm pro MD supervision, anti militant CRNA. If you're in doubt puh lease review my posts over there, and maybe you'll see a pattern consistent with my opinion on this forum.