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I believe about 6-9 matched, don't know the # of applicants though...
California Northstate Accreditation Discussion
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I believe about 6-9 matched, don't know the # of applicants though...
So, this thread counts for just one shot or two?
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Meh, ghostwriting? Half a shot at best if you ask me.
Five shots. You'll be sober by the time you finish reading it.
never mind about the accreditation and bad reputation, but the fact that they dont teach you or provide summary notes like slides is ridiculous!! i dont know about you but i wouldnt want to pay that amount of money to only to be taught by fellow students. wow, if the professors dont teach and dont give notes, what the hell are they good for?
And what do you think they did before computers/printers? lol
Probably were taught by the professor, not fellow students.
Not too long ago when I was in undergrad there was no such thing as power point slides. Professors would stand infront of class and write notes on a chalkboard or overhead projector...we were expected to go to class and take our own notes.
i dont mind taking my own notes. what troubles me is the idea of having students put into groups of six and having to teach one another. i am assuming because the curriculum is TBL they expect you to come to class knowing everything from what you read the night before?
Not familar with that type of curriculum...but it seems stupid. I guess it is one way to approach things when you can't find enough faculty.
It's becoming very common in medical and pharmacy schools. Also known as "problem based learning" or "competency based learning" or other names. It's not a Cal Northstate thing. It's a trendy thing. It still requires the same amount (or more) faculty, by the way.
I was referring to the PP slides smartie.
Team based learning is pretty popular as A4D points out.
I find, however, that I learn more by self study than I do from a lot of professors. Some are better than others.
I think TBL becomes an issue when there are a lot of people on the team that are sub par. although I think in some ways it can mirror real life...we don't get to pick our colleagues most of the time. If you're working on a team, those skills could be invaluable.
Our labs were TBL... I hated it as a student. But I digress. They actually require MORE faculty than standard lecture format. I helped teach one last fall as a resident. Each lab session required four faculty (at minimum). It's not a way to cut costs, for sure.
I think I would hate it too. When it comes to schoolwork, I'm a loner. I've heard pros and cons. Higher cost is definitely a con.
It wouldn't seem that TBL would require more faculty. Thanks for sharing with us. Good to know!
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We divided our class (about 100 students) into four sections of 6 (or so) groups each. Each large group had a facilitator, so it took four faculty to teach the class. Examinations were labor intensive too. 12 to 15 faculty to hear and grade all the presentations/oral exams.
I don't know how implementing TBL/PBL/whatever across the curriculum would influence faculty levels overall, but I doubt it saves tons of money. Unless they really are just throwing students in a room without appropriate faculty facilitation!
Hey, I'm just providing a service.
You, luck, You're, myself, Exactly, beyond repair, lol, accredited
I cringe like a little baby every time I read your posts. The pharmacy profession will be truly damned if you got accepted into another school, based on the way you utilize English and behave in the forums. You need to fix the way you write English. Stop writing and acting like a 12 year old.
"We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit." -Aristotle
If you ever want to improve your writing competency you must do it repeatedly. Your approach of just turning it on and off isn't going to make you any better. I'm not trying to be mean, just trying to help.
Going through the WASC accreditation notes (I've had quite a bit of wine tonight...so I'm slower than usual, haha), looks like they addressed the Brazill issue and alleged interference by CNCP administration:
So cool, I can now publicly cite an official report to back up an assertion my source made.
WASC Initial Accreditation Team Report said:
So cool, I can now publicly cite an official report to back up an assertion my source made.
I think we've found your achilles' heel?
Indeed I am. It's flippin hot and muggy down here...humans were not meant to live in Florida in the summer.
All of the different factions (new schools and old schools, public schools and private schools) are getting along well...so far.
Most of the folks here have no idea about CNU, and are quite surprised to hear of ACPE's decision.
I'm really bummed I missed it.
🙁
Oh well. Hot and muggy isn't good for my hair, anyway 😀
I'm definitely going next year. We should meet up for coffee 😀
looooooooooooooooooooooool
Leave PrettyCat alone....she's just special. Keep up with whatever you are doing honey; you are the no. 1 in my book. LOL to you PrettyCat. LOL means lots of love. loooooooooooooooooool to you kitten 😉
Seriously? Making another profile to make it look like someone actually condones your crappy English? Yet another reason I will cringe if you actually get into pharmacy school....
She got into Northstate...but I'm still on the fence about considering it a real pharmacy school.
Making assumptions and cannot spot out sarcasm.... you, sir, are a fail. LOL. I have said it before, she is special so just ignore her.
I'm a Chicago State grad which was about a month ago unaccredited. The moment they found out they sent an informal email to us to let us know the good news...
My ex girlfriend went to California North State for an interview amongst a few... but definitely happy she chose to go to University of Washington instead (albeit an easy pick from a prestige/financial perspective)
Seems a little sketchy though, that's amazing news to faculty/staff so not sure why they would want to hold it, somethings going on. I have a buddy that goes to Cal-North State, my heart goes out to them if the news is bad.
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Goddamn it cycloketocaine and JamesL1585, do I have to whip out my lecture on the definitions of unaccredited, candidate accredited, and fully accredited?
#$^#&^#@
A4M is right, I should just keep that document open for copy/pasting purposes. Hmph!
#$^#&^#@
A4M is right, I should just keep that document open for copy/pasting purposes. Hmph!
Didn't I tell you that you should put it in your sig? I am almost certain I have. 😉
LoL I guess it's been awhile since I've been posting on here, but jeez, when did people start becoming politically correct on SDN!? Missed the memo. But yes, sorry! "They didn't have full accreditation and were there for candidate status... which doesn't matter because they're still not fully accredited by ACPE lol.
haha don't worry i'm just messin' around, A4M knows how frustrated I get about semantics.
Well, I'm not sure how "political correctness" is involved here...
But it's not a little error. There is a HUGE difference between "non-accredited" or "unaccredited" and Candidate Status Accreditation. Graduates of Candidate Status schools have all the rights and privileges of graduates from accredited schools, like being able to take the NAPLEX and get a license and practice pharmacy. Graduates from non-accredited schools have none of that.
I know you just misspoke (mis-typed) but I get where confetti is coming from here. People are really bad about tossing around misinformation. 🙂
No, I agree, it's one of the first things I thought about while reading it.
The ACPE Board June meeting minutes are posted:
https://www.acpe-accredit.org/news/default.asp
The official decision on CNU is found on page 2.
For those who don't want any new schools opening, there is some good news on page 3.
https://www.acpe-accredit.org/news/default.asp
The official decision on CNU is found on page 2.
For those who don't want any new schools opening, there is some good news on page 3.
Nothing new from an SDN perspective, but here's this week's Sacramento Business Journal:
http://www.bizjournals.com/sacramen...lawsuit-alleges-colleges-financial-probs.html
also
http://www.bizjournals.com/sacramen...-challenges-for-pharmacy-college.html?ana=twt
The article is "premium content" and I won't post it verbatim here for obvious reasons. Please click through and subscribe to read, you get 4 free articles but I think it's like WSJ.
http://www.bizjournals.com/sacramen...lawsuit-alleges-colleges-financial-probs.html
also
http://www.bizjournals.com/sacramen...-challenges-for-pharmacy-college.html?ana=twt
The article is "premium content" and I won't post it verbatim here for obvious reasons. Please click through and subscribe to read, you get 4 free articles but I think it's like WSJ.
Screen shot of the front page:
That sucks so hard. I just found this out today.
Just went to the CNCP website to see if the changed their information about accreditation. See below the legal speak that they posted, from this statement the BOP can at anytime tell the students from a candidate school to go pound sand we decided that we are not going to let you take the board. See if that is how you read it? So the 3rd and 4th years may not be protected! And if you do a steller job we will think about Full Accreditation but if you look at us cross-eyed pull out the "Exit Plan".
"With respect to clarification of the meaning of Candidate accreditation status, graduates of a program so designed would, in the opinion of ACPE, have the same rights and privileges of those graduates from a fully accredited program. The Candidate accreditation status denotes a developmental program that is expected to mature in accord with stated plans within a defined time period. It should be underscored, however, that decisions concerning eligibility for licensure by examination or reciprocity reside with the respective state boards of pharmacy in accordance with their state statutes and administrative rules. Should Candidate accreditation status be awarded to a program, ACPE would, however, make its position known and make recommendations consistent with that position."
"The Doctor of Pharmacy program of the California Northstate was awarded continued Candidate accreditation status during the June 20-24, 2012, meeting of the ACPE Board of Directors based upon an on-site evaluation March 27-29, 2012, and discussion with University and College officials. If the program continues to develop as planned, full accreditation of the Doctor of Pharmacy program will be considered by the Board at the June 2013 Board of Directors meeting."
"With respect to clarification of the meaning of Candidate accreditation status, graduates of a program so designed would, in the opinion of ACPE, have the same rights and privileges of those graduates from a fully accredited program. The Candidate accreditation status denotes a developmental program that is expected to mature in accord with stated plans within a defined time period. It should be underscored, however, that decisions concerning eligibility for licensure by examination or reciprocity reside with the respective state boards of pharmacy in accordance with their state statutes and administrative rules. Should Candidate accreditation status be awarded to a program, ACPE would, however, make its position known and make recommendations consistent with that position."
"The Doctor of Pharmacy program of the California Northstate was awarded continued Candidate accreditation status during the June 20-24, 2012, meeting of the ACPE Board of Directors based upon an on-site evaluation March 27-29, 2012, and discussion with University and College officials. If the program continues to develop as planned, full accreditation of the Doctor of Pharmacy program will be considered by the Board at the June 2013 Board of Directors meeting."
I am disappoint...
Interesting. This means you may graduate from a school with candidate status but the California board of pharmacy may not recognize it and you are not allow to take the licensure examinations.
go to another school
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What if a student graduates, gets licensed, and afterwards the school loses accreditation? Do all of its graduated pharmacists lose their licenses?
This goes for all pharmacy schools..
No, once you are licensed then you are licensed.
You would remain licensed. Closest example we have would be the merger of MUSC with the Univ. of SC to form SCCP. The school as it was (MUSC) technically ceased to exist and the successor school had to apply for accreditation de novo. So, in a way, MUSC "ceased" to be accredited.
can you work though if the school is in candidate status?
a license is a license is a license is a license is a license
