Cornell vs. Penn

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I am an out of state applicant without a state school who has been accepted to both Cornell and Penn. I was wondering if some of you could tell me what you perceive to be strengths and weaknesses of each program. I am interested in becoming an equine vet but am not sure what particular specialty I would like to pursue. Any info and advice would be greatly appreciated.Thanks.

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They're both great schools and have strong equine programs. It boils down to whether or not you want problem based learning (Cornell) or a more traditional teaching method (Penn), whether you want to live in the country or a city, how much it will cost for both schools, etc etc etc. I would just go and visit and see if you click in one place or another.
 
where shall i start?

come to penn.

i'm re-writing this so many times trying not to sound elitist. i toured cornell, and the girl givign the tour was equine, and one of the first things out of her mouth was that she's glad she didn't get into penn because cornell is so much better because of their 'new buildings.' come off it. we're proud of our 19th century lecture hall, and plan on keeping it. i'll try not to knock cornell 😉

in my book, cornell's positives are thus:
well-respected name. must be doing something right.
farrier on the faculty staff. that's awesome.

negatives:
tour. students were not friendly, and we weren't allowed to see the hospital.
PBL. i'd rather learn all the facts then apply it, not apply it while learning it. completely individual preference, though.
ithaca.
weather.
caseload is lower than penn's.
no interviews.

penn's positives:
location. city: lots of crazy city cases come in at all hours. not to mention culture/life outside of vet school. country: HEART of amazing horse country.
NEW BOLTON CENTER. nuff said.
instruction. doctors leading their fields (dev bio, equine orthopaedics, feline kidney transplant) teach, even during first and second years.
student body. 49% of the class is from outside of PA, drastically increasing the variety of people you meet here. i can't speak highly enough of my classmates. lots of fun, really laid back, no competition whatsoever, brilliant.

penn's negatives:
west philly. i'd rather be in the country where i could walk around at night and see stars.
some would say the 45 min drive on I-95 to NBC; not a biggie, the location is well worth the drive.

in all seriousness, you met the people here, no? were they not amazing? you may know some amazing people at cornell, but i can near guarantee that you're not going to get the variety, interesting-ness, and all around high quality of human beings at a school that bases acceptance on numbers without ever meeting their acceptees.

obviously, i'm a little biased, and i can't speak highly enough of penn. honestly though, after my tour at cornell in the fall, and before i knew i had been rejected, i knew i wouldn't end up there. *if* it would have been the only school i had been accepted to, i would have declined and applied elsewhere again the next year; it was that disappointing. if you are already familiar with the school, and like it, then obviously disregard my opinion on that. go where you're happy. so long as it's penn. 😉

sorry that was so long. i'm rather adamant about penn vs. cornell. please PM me if i can help out any more. oh! and if you can get in touch with any penn students, i'm sure most of them would be happy to have a prospective student stay with them for a weekend to get a taste of philly. come try it out 🙂. ok, enough smileys, i'm done.
 
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if you are already familiar with the school, and like it, then obviously disregard my opinion on that.

cupolovet is a cornell student right now. so am i. that being said, i wouldn't have gone to cornell, because i know the faculty already, know the research, have seen the school, and know i could be happier elsewhere. plus, i'm kinda bored of ithaca after four years. but that's me ... i also wouldn't go to penn because its too urban for me, so there you go (i know penn is a great school, and i applied because i thought i would like it. i just didn't really.)

however, cupolovet, we've already PMed about this. if you want to meet up for coffee or something to bounce ideas, let me know. good luck!
 
Penn
I have nothing but good things to say about penn - I've been volunteering in ES for 1.5 years, adore the people there, great education, everyone's happy, etc. That said... I really don't like the split campus thing.

Here's what I think about it: If you want to be a small animal clinician, then GREAT! Penn will give you the best of the best as far as your education goes, with a hospital that, while somewhat elderly, really feels like a hospital (4 stories, very busy, etc). If you want to be a large animal clinican, EXCELLENT! NBC is incredibly situated in the country, the whole facility is devoted to large animal medicine, its very specialized and extremely high quality. If, however, like me, you want to specialize in subjects which encompass both large and small animals - like public health, like comparative pathology, etc - I think having the two together, to mutually reinforce and inform each other, is really valuable. The 45 minute drive, while easy, enforces a kind of artificial divide between large/small which I don't particularly like. As far as that goes - of course, you will get an excellent education at Penn even if you want to do a mixed animal track! It will just take a little more initiative on your part to integrate large and small into a cohesive whole.

If you want to be an equine specialist and nothing else, and no other considerations matter - go to Penn. 'nuff said. incredible equine work. I mean, Cornell's no slouch, so we're comparing two excellent schools with subtle differences, but still... Penn rules for horses.

If you want small animal emergency, go to Penn! Or, go to Cornell, then do your residency at Penn. Or, go to Penn, then residency at Penn! Their emergency and critical care team are unmatched, in part simply because of sheer high volume of cases. You have to have a good stomach, though - some really horrific things go through those doors.


Cornell
I went to Cornell's info session, and I really liked it. I feel like sometimes on SDN Cornell gets bashed a bit, and I don't know why! I think their curriculum is incredibly well thought out. The first block is the heavist PBL, but is basically PBL in the mornings and supportive lectures and labs throughout the day. Also, that block goes through OCTOBER only, and then you're taking more traditional classes until PBL starts back up again. PBL is a big thing at Cornell, but it's not totally overwhelming. They have it all integrated so that every class, lab, etc, is part of single class, and all the curricula are synchronized, so that you really learn a subject from every angle - both problem solving and facts. I think their PBL system, while not for everyone, is not as extreme as people make it out to be - in fact, I think that for me, it's a huge plus. Less lectures, more direct engagement = less bored zoning out!

I had a great student give my tour, and I was really impressed with their clinical facilities and with the student's general air of peace and happiness! She was very knowledgeable and confident. The students I met were perhaps a little preppier than I might have liked, but basically seemed intelligent and happy.

If you're interested in large animal, NOT equine, Cornell might be stronger. While penn is in heart of equine, Cornell is in heart of dairy. Their prowess about cow health is unmatched and renowned around the country. They were so excited about cows that I got excited about cows!

I got the impression that because the class is slightly smaller than Penn's, and because of the PBL system, there's a huge emphasis on teaching and interaction with professors. There's perhaps more personal attention than at Penn. I can see the rabid PennWees going crazy... this might be totally wrong, its just a supposition!

Bottom Line: go visit, see which you like, can't go wrong with either one!
 
Great thread. I'd love to expand the conversation beyond the equine field. How do people think the schools compare in the following areas:

-wildlife medicine
-public health (not only food production based)
-research
-neurology
-poultry medicine

??

One thought is that it seems at both schools, there isn't a lot of in hospital time until the end of 3rd year (unless you specifically seek it out.) Therefore, I wonder how much it matters for a veterinary student (as opposed to an intern or resident) whether the campuses are split, caseloads, etc.
 
Great thread. I'd love to expand the conversation beyond the equine field. How do people think the schools compare in the following areas:
-poultry medicine

Not nearly enough at Penn, but I don't know how many Cornell has to compare.

Core Courses
VMED608 :: Introduction to Poultry Medicine

Elective Courses
VCSN641 :: Advanced Poultry Medicine

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apparently if you're interested in poultry, minnesota is the place to be.
 
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