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You have 4.5 IIs (off topic: what is a 1/2 II?), and it's just mid-August. You don't need a support thread. Your stats are more than enough to get you into med school - just work on killing those interviews! Good luck! 🙂
Lol I am well aware I am doing well so far. However, there is a high stats thread (LM >75) and there is a low GPA high MCAT thread. There is no “Meh, but probably still good” thread.

Also, half an interview is a 12 minute phone conversation with a third party company that tells western Michigan whether you have a good personality or not.
 
@MemeLord

Haha I was about to say...this is so incredibly specific :dead:
It is like being too poor to afford health insurance but too wealthy to qualify for state insurance. This is the "gap coverage" thread lol.

In reality, this statistical group is in somewhat of a limbo chances-wise among the high stats applicants. It sounds really neurotic but here is my explanation for stress from being in this group:

65-83% chance of acceptance is good. It is really good. However, it isn't like....SUPER good. Hear me out, I know this is going to sound like I am too neurotic, but hear me out.

For high stats applicants, where there is only a 5-11% chance of rejection, that small amount can almost certainly be explained by either poor school lists or poor interview skills. A high stats applicant that gets rejected everywhere can almost certainly know that it was because of lacking in skills, not the inherent randomness of the cycle.

A mid/low-stats applicant has a 45-100% chance of rejection. These applicants inherently know that they are more likely to get rejected everywhere than not. They know it will be an uphill battle to get in and that getting rejected everywhere is a combination of poor school lists, insufficent stats, insufficient application, inherent randomness. They have room to improve. They can do better next cycle simply by retaking the MCAT or what have you.

mid GPA with High MCAT is limbo. We cannot do better simply by retaking the MCAT. Our GPA is not bad enough to justify a postbacc or an SMP. 17-35% chance of rejection is pretty low comparatively, but it is not a low enough rejection rate to be in our control. The best school list and the best interview skills cannot mitigate all of the rejections. So it is not as simple as 'getting rejected because of a lack of skills' or 'getting rejected by something we can improve.' The mid-ground application limbo folks don't know why we get rejected (all else equal) and the unknown is scary.
 
It is like being too poor to afford health insurance but too wealthy to qualify for state insurance. This is the "gap coverage" thread lol.

In reality, this statistical group is in somewhat of a limbo chances-wise among the high stats applicants. It sounds really neurotic but here is my explanation for stress from being in this group:

65-83% chance of acceptance is good. It is really good. However, it isn't like....SUPER good. Hear me out, I know this is going to sound like I am too neurotic, but hear me out.

For high stats applicants, where there is only a 5-11% chance of rejection, that small amount can almost certainly be explained by either poor school lists or poor interview skills. A high stats applicant that gets rejected everywhere can almost certainly know that it was because of lacking in skills, not the inherent randomness of the cycle.

A mid/low-stats applicant has a 45-100% chance of rejection. These applicants inherently know that they are more likely to get rejected everywhere than not. They know it will be an uphill battle to get in and that getting rejected everywhere is a combination of poor school lists, insufficent stats, insufficient application, inherent randomness. They have room to improve. They can do better next cycle simply by retaking the MCAT or what have you.

mid GPA with High MCAT is limbo. We cannot do better simply by retaking the MCAT. Our GPA is not bad enough to justify a postbacc or an SMP. 17-35% chance of rejection is pretty low comparatively, but it is not a low enough rejection rate to be in our control. The best school list and the best interview skills cannot mitigate all of the rejections. So it is not as simple as 'getting rejected because of a lack of skills' or 'getting rejected by something we can improve.' The mid-ground application limbo folks don't know why we get rejected (all else equal) and the unknown is scary.
Like...we are not really good at judging our own competitiveness. At least low stats knows they aren’t competitive and high stats know they are.
 
Raptor can start that one
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I HAVE BEEN SUMMONED
 
Get your high stats raptor ass outta here /s

Show support for the lesser fortunate, friend.
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But no, hey you guys have done amazingly so far 🙂 congrats to you and @EmbryonalCarcinoma. Don't count yourself out bc of low stats, I have a feeling y'all ECs are more than making up for a non "ultra high 4.0 gpa"
 
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But no, hey you guys have done amazingly so far 🙂 congrats to you and @EmbryonalCarcinoma. Don't count yourself out bc of low stats, I have a feeling y'all ECs are more than making up for a non "ultra high 4.0 gpa"
Sorry kind off topic, but
Bro... 22 II... did you like cure cancer or something?
 
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But no, hey you guys have done amazingly so far 🙂 congrats to you and @EmbryonalCarcinoma. Don't count yourself out bc of low stats, I have a feeling y'all ECs are more than making up for a non "ultra high 4.0 gpa"
Embryo, peanutbuttah, and I are probably the three most vocal and most successful on SDN this cycle in this stats range, but we have ECs, URM, LGBT, PhDs, Military yadda yadda going for us...and even those are hard to judge. The vast majority in this group are in a limbo mindset.
 
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But no, hey you guys have done amazingly so far 🙂 congrats to you and @EmbryonalCarcinoma. Don't count yourself out bc of low stats, I have a feeling y'all ECs are more than making up for a non "ultra high 4.0 gpa"

Well, wasnt EC's uGPA quite a while ago since he has his phd? Also, a 3.8+ gGPA if i remember the old flair correctly. I feel like they have to nullify his uGPA for being so long ago lol

memorizing these flairs without even using anki look at me go

edit: except memelords lmfao it changes like 4x a day
 
except memelords lmfao it changes like 4x a day
Gist:
3.66/3.97.521 cGPA/sGPA/MCAT
Army, Medical lab tech, have a wife and daughter, no research focus but lots of research/posters/presentations, mental health volunteering, yadda yadda

Now you are all caught up.
 
I wish it worked that way, but I do feel like I should get some credit for reteaching myself everything I learned about 10 years ago (and didn’t do too hot the first time around grade-wise) for the MCAT. Oh, and doing so after getting chemotherapy that supposedly causes cognitive impairments. 😉

Holy **** man you've lived a life. 12+ showing for a reason
 
Lol I am well aware I am doing well so far. However, there is a high stats thread (LM >75) and there is a low GPA high MCAT thread. There is no “Meh, but probably still good” thread.

Also, half an interview is a 12 minute phone conversation with a third party company that tells western Michigan whether you have a good personality or not.
Because no such thread is needed.

As you have made sure the whole board knows, you have 4 interviews, 3 of which are at top schools. Even if this thread was necessary (which, again: no), it would not be necessary for you.
 
Because no such thread is needed.

As you have made sure the whole board knows, you have 4 interviews, 3 of which are at top schools. Even if this thread was necessary (which, again: no), it would not be necessary for you.
You're too neurotic.

If you think you're going to run into issues while already having 4 IIs and a military background you should take a break from here because total immersion or something along those lines is skewing your perspective.
A real discordance thread should be gpa<3.4; MCAT>517.
It isn't for me. I am well aware that I will probably be fine. But there have been two others popping up like "In this range, no II." Those are the people I wanna see. I like knowing that there are other people in this range.
 
Sorry kind off topic, but
Bro... 22 II... did you like cure cancer or something?
Embryo, peanutbuttah, and I are probably the three most vocal and most successful on SDN this cycle in this stats range, but we have ECs, URM, LGBT, PhDs, Military yadda yadda going for us...and even those are hard to judge. The vast majority in this group are in a limbo mindset.
Lol no, but in a cancer lab!

But yeah @MemeLord it sucks that anything below a 3.8 is considered even mid tier for some on this forum. Just shows how stressful this cycle can be even for applicants that I would see as competitive with a gpa range that is "mid tier".
 
And it really is specifically for "on this forum." Like I said, I know I will probably be good. But hop on over to the WAMC and anyone with less than a 3.7, regardless of MCAT score, is scared ****less. I made this with the intent of reprieve, to calm the neurosis, even for the people who others may view as "just being neurotic."
I agree. It's crazy, a 3.6 is mainly As on average with some Bs. And yet that can be seen as "not good enough". But I guess at schools like Harvard they can be picky like that. But I feel like a 3.6 *should* be good enough for other schools. Hell even I got stressed out thinking I lacked amazing ECs when I compared myself to others on here.
 
And it really is specifically for "on this forum." Like I said, I know I will probably be good. But hop on over to the WAMC and anyone with less than a 3.7, regardless of MCAT score, is scared ****less. I made this with the intent of reprieve, to calm the neurosis, even for the people who others may view as "just being neurotic."
I dunno, I feel like when a very successful applicant that falls in this category makes this thread and also tags other incredibly successful applicants that fall into this category, that wouldn't really help calm neurosis for those in this category who are not as successful.

Lmfao @and 99 others you were the 3rd name in the "likes" and I finally see what your username is meant to be lol. I got baited.
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a very successful applicant
*internally acknowledges that he is comparatively very successful versus the average applicant and even those with similar stats but still externally compares self to people who are doing better (****ing 22 II @u_raptor? Learn to say no! Lol congrats...but like...share...) and the existential dread sets in even though I still recognize that I am doing well and am genuinely not stressed and acting stressed on SDN is my stress outlet*
 
*internally acknowledges that he is comparatively very successful versus the average applicant and even those with similar stats but still externally compares self to people who are doing better (****ing 22 II @u_raptor? Learn to say no! Lol congrats...but like...share...) and the existential dread sets in even though I still recognize that I am doing well and am genuinely not stressed and acting stressed on SDN is my stress outlet*

And here I am comparing myself to those that got II's from Perelman or Harvard. And hey you have one from Pitt and I am here with nada there 😳

All in all to say we will always compare ourselves to someone we might see as more successful, but ironically we might be that to each other :laugh: Just gotta be thankful for the victories we got!
 
*internally acknowledges that he is comparatively very successful versus the average applicant and even those with similar stats but still externally compares self to people who are doing better (****ing 22 II @u_raptor? Learn to say no! Lol congrats...but like...share...) and the existential dread sets in even though I still recognize that I am doing well and am genuinely not stressed and acting stressed on SDN is my stress outlet*
And here I am comparing myself to those that got II's from Perelman or Harvard. And hey you have one from Pitt and I am here with nada there 😳

All in all to say we will always compare ourselves to someone we might see as more successful, but ironically we might be that to each other :laugh: Just gotta be thankful for the victories we got!
The grass is always greener. As a reapplicant, I am so so so proud of myself for where I'm at in this cycle right now vs where I was last time I applied. And I feel relatively secure. But even despite that, on account of the fact that I'm human, it is literally impossible for me not to yearn when I see others' wild success. That's not to say that I dislike when people post their impressive stats/IIs/acceptances; on the contrary, I think that one of the biggest virtues of SDN is celebrating the small and large victories in a community that completely understands what other applicants are going through. But likewise, since this is SUCH an unbelievably grueling and emotionally draining process, it also lends itself to people unnecessarily comparing themselves to others. In reality, there is no good reason at all to do so, but at the same time, it's foolish to think that one can completely control those feelings. And that's why I generally dislike threads like these. I don't dislike support threads, I think those are great. But not how this one was executed.
 
The grass is always greener. As a reapplicant, I am so so so proud of myself for where I'm at in this cycle right now vs where I was last time I applied. And I feel relatively secure. But even despite that, on account of the fact that I'm human, it is literally impossible for me not to yearn when I see others' wild success. That's not to say that I dislike when people post their impressive stats/IIs/acceptances; on the contrary, I think that one of the biggest virtues of SDN is celebrating the small and large victories in a community that completely understands what other applicants are going through. But likewise, since this is SUCH an unbelievably grueling and emotionally draining process, it also lends itself to people unnecessarily comparing themselves to others. In reality, there is no good reason at all to do so, but at the same time, it's foolish to think that one can completely control those feelings. And that's why I generally dislike threads like these. I don't dislike support threads, I think those are great. But not how this one was executed.

As someone with a disparate GPA/MCAT (in the reverse direction), I think a thread for ppl with excellent GPA but only an above avg MCAT would actually be helpful as im curious to see how that pans out. I have no doubt the high GPA, SUPER high MCAT people will be alright 🙂
 
As someone with a disparate GPA/MCAT (in the reverse direction), I think a thread for ppl with excellent GPA but only an above avg MCAT would actually be helpful as im curious to see how that pans out. I have no doubt the high GPA, SUPER high MCAT people will be alright 🙂
Outside of SDN, is 3.5-3.69 considered high? Just based on the MCAT/GPA grid I think of this GPA range as comparable to a 508-512 MCAT. Obvi high MCAT > high GPA, but is my understanding incorrect?
 
The grass is always greener. As a reapplicant, I am so so so proud of myself for where I'm at in this cycle right now vs where I was last time I applied. And I feel relatively secure. But even despite that, on account of the fact that I'm human, it is literally impossible for me not to yearn when I see others' wild success. That's not to say that I dislike when people post their impressive stats/IIs/acceptances; on the contrary, I think that one of the biggest virtues of SDN is celebrating the small and large victories in a community that completely understands what other applicants are going through. But likewise, since this is SUCH an unbelievably grueling and emotionally draining process, it also lends itself to people unnecessarily comparing themselves to others. In reality, there is no good reason at all to do so, but at the same time, it's foolish to think that one can completely control those feelings. And that's why I generally dislike threads like these. I don't dislike support threads, I think those are great. But not how this one was executed.
I can dig that. You are correct. I will lock this thread and create a new one. How would you like to see it improved?
 
As someone with a disparate GPA/MCAT (in the reverse direction), I think a thread for ppl with excellent GPA but only an above avg MCAT would actually be helpful as im curious to see how that pans out. I have no doubt the high GPA, SUPER high MCAT people will be alright 🙂
Yes, also in this same boat. But I feel like a high MCAT yields much better chances than high GPA. so I agree the inverse would be more suited for me as well, but I also try to remind myself that even if such a thread existed, it would change absolutely nothing for my chances and ultimately just lead to more stress. That's how I operate. It may not affect you as much and that's cool. But like I said, we're all only human.
 
I can dig that. You are correct. I will lock this thread and create a new one. How would you like to see it improved?
Lol stop I wasn't trying to overthrow you. Don't acknowledge my post as reasonable, you're making me feel bad.

I'm just saying, IF a demand for such a thread existed, I'm sure someone who was actually in that boat would have made it.
 
I'm sure someone who was actually in that boat would have made it.
I am in that boat. Or at least, I thought I was. I recognize that I underestimated the effects my elevated sGPA and military background would have on my success. But up until July hit, I completely thought I would be just *meh* with 3 or so II across the entire cycle. So I know what it is like to be in this boat. And across the school specific forums I see these applicants who still feel in this boat. Just wanted a place for people to come and vent.
 
I am in that boat. Or at least, I thought I was. I recognize that I underestimated the effects my elevated sGPA and military background would have on my success. But up until July hit, I completely thought I would be just *meh* with 3 or so II across the entire cycle. So I know what it is like to be in this boat. And across the school specific forums I see these applicants who still feel in this boat. Just wanted a place for people to come and vent.
Lol I'm sorry but no you are not in that boat and you never were. You say up until july hit but july is literally the earliest time possible to receive interviews. And you received like one of the first interviews of the season from UChicago of all places. You were never in a situation where it was reasonable to doubt your chances.

When I say "in that boat" I mean people who are anxious about their chances while seeing others with interviews flooding in from top schools as early as july and august. Again, that was not the case for you and you can't reasonably say you know what it is like to be in that situation.

I am not trying to be confrontational but as someone who HAS been in that situation for an extremely prolonged amount of time, I do need to address the illegitimacy of what you're saying. It's like telling someone who is suffering through a meth addiction, "I totally understand what you're going through, I can't start my mornings without a cup of coffee!" Of course, med school admissions is not as high stakes as a substance abuse, but it is still a bit tone deaf to suggest that you totally understand what it is like.
 
When I say "in that boat" I mean people who are anxious about their chances while seeing others with interviews flooding in from top schools as early as july and august. Again, that was not the case for you and you can't reasonably say you know what it is like to be in that situation.
I thought I was in this boat. Not by watching people in the same application cycle as me fail, but by reading the tail ends of the school specific threads, of the waitlist support threads, and so on from the 18-19 cycle where I saw many applicants with similar stats who had 3 Interviews and 3 WL or no interviews or countless rejections all with my same stats. I followed a few particular people with similar stats to mine for the entire 18-19 application cycle and saw this in all of them. I did see that my MCAT is good enough for the highest of schools, but my GPA was <25% or <10% at all of them. I may not have actually been in that boat, but I definitely thought I would be.
 
Lol I'm sorry but no you are not in that boat and you never were. You say up until july hit but july is literally the earliest time possible to receive interviews. And you received like one of the first interviews of the season from UChicago of all places. You were never in a situation where it was reasonable to doubt your chances.

When I say "in that boat" I mean people who are anxious about their chances while seeing others with interviews flooding in from top schools as early as july and august. Again, that was not the case for you and you can't reasonably say you know what it is like to be in that situation.

I am not trying to be confrontational but as someone who HAS been in that situation for an extremely prolonged amount of time, I do need to address the illegitimacy of what you're saying. It's like telling someone who is suffering through a meth addiction, "I totally understand what you're going through, I can't start my mornings without a cup of coffee!" Of course, med school admissions is not as high stakes as a substance abuse, but it is still a bit tone deaf to suggest that you totally understand what it is like.
Being that you have gone through this process and had those feelings, how would you recommend students reading this who may feel they are in that boat but probably won’t be mitigated their fear (other than get off SDN)?
 
Being that you have gone through this process and had those feelings, how would you recommend students reading this who may feel they are in that boat but probably won’t be mitigated their fear (other than get off SDN)?
I wouldn't even suggest that they get off SDN. SDN has been my greatest source of relief during this cycle. It is important to really accept that it is a loooong process. Everyone says that but it is hard to internalize it when people post their crazy stats and double digit IIs in their sigs and its only august. It's only natural to be like "where mine at???"

It's a mental game. But the most important thing is to not link your success with others. Especially not if your source of comparison is SDN where there is super high selection bias.
 
i wish I knew the point of this thread...my brain can't stop trying to apply turnaround times from people's II notification and app completion date to try and estimate when I should be receiving a rejection.

why are we all here? to brag? to document our tribulations? I don't want to buy into the culture of toxic showmanship but self-promotion is definitely essential in today's results-driven society. i also realized alcohol makes lunch fun during this part of the app cycle
 
i wish I knew the point of this thread...my brain can't stop trying to apply turnaround times from people's II notification and app completion date to try and estimate when I should be receiving a rejection.

why are we all here? to brag? to document our tribulations? I don't want to buy into the culture of toxic showmanship but self-promotion is definitely essential in today's results-driven society. i also realized alcohol makes lunch fun during this part of the app cycle


Ideally, the forum would be a mixture of practical advice stemming from what people have experienced along with a supportive community. I think the reality is people are scared and not going to medical school for the right reason. If you talk constantly about your interviews and background when it is higher than others it is reassuring. The thought of "I have all of this so I'll get one of the spots this year" is basically just comfort for themselves. People who are quick to put others down mentally put themselves above others. " The process is innately competitive and will create this atmosphere.

I noticed throughout college and on these sites, premeds are excited to trash other majors. I often see the business majors being described as being easy because they didn't need to take Ochem. Yet those graduates are now attempting to create their own career without a centralized application process and literal tomes on how to apply successfully. I don't view the business route as easy and I actually think this entire process we have is one of the most "safe and easy" routes you can take (assuming you are driven enough to run it well). People who feel the need to rank their profession or major higher than others need to reevaluate why they are doing it in the first place.

Unfortunately, I mostly see examples of shakey justifications for entering medicine surrounded by experts in the application process, not medicine. I see threads of people who are asking how to answer "why medicine" the year they are applying. People ask what hobbies, activities, and classes they should do to have the best chance. The answers are always cookie-cutter responses of the standard. Suggestions aren't made to give an opportunity for personal growth, just to pad a resume. The traits needed to become a physician are not exclusive to physicians. They are found in a multitude of endeavors and
this atmosphere has such a competitive game-like outlook that these ECs are ignored because "my friend got into Harvard and they scribed so scribing is the best thing you could do."

The reason I'm ranting currently is that I care and I've seen this before. The military is notorious for pushing out the best due to toxic environments. I even noticed it at the "prestigious" units I was selected to serve with. They were free from things like shaving and unnessecary formations, yet still lost members due to parallels I see within the premedical community. It bothers me that the freshman I TA'd were so anxious because of these communities that they weren't taking this step of their life to grow as a person, just frantically accomplishing every they read to online. They constantly had episodes of self-doubt that arose from those who needed to put them down as a form of reassurance. The most caring and intelligent people I knew left the premedical path and I honestly feel that medicine lost out of a lot of value from their decision to leave. Those who are left are often those who adopt the culture seen on many of these forums.

why are we all here? to brag?

So I don't think most are here to brag, maybe some form of reassurance. However, I know that the vast majority are not here to support the true goal of medicine.
 
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