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[BobLoblaw78]

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This flailing around is not a good look on you.

Visc usually has much better reads and about multiple people. Either she is having a very tough time or is wolf

 

[BobLoblaw78]

rereading today, what are your thoughts on AM and Cubs?

AM still in POE but creeping out.

Cubs never sounded bad to me, just more like normal Cubs. And that is with me being cautious about possible pocketing attempt.

 

[BobLoblaw78]

Is this a bastard game that just goes on for infinity?

It is a joke. But hard to think of this joke if you are wolf and know it isn’t a bastard game

Null moreso means invalid or empty, not neutral. Have to side with Midwife on this one. The terminology conundrums you create are endless.

Willing to offend on inconsequential point

Why did neither Chaos or Mel self prez out of a tie? I know Mel said made some inside joke about seeing if he could get yeeted D1 or something or other but I havent seen a real explain from either.

Maybe shade but sounds more like confused

Correct. I am #2 wolf read just 'cause at the moment. Only thing he said was I voted him without "Conviction."

And risk a double (likely game ending) death? Hmm

In any case,

VOTE CHAOS
(emphasis added for conviction)

So then what is your read on Cubs?

Asking reads on self is inviting a sheep wagon to start on you when people have sus about you

If we are to believe this is a basics game, we shouldnt be overly dwelling on PRs anyway, just as we shouldnt be overly dwelling on Bobs conversion drivel.

Willing to offend

This flailing around is not a good look on you.

Etc

I just don’t see anything that would put him in my bottom 3. And I actually think he leans more village. He normally has this tone to me. Nonthreatened, casual, jokey village.

 

[BobLoblaw78]

I have her under slight village.

Her questioning is reminding me of last game and I Iiked her vote for Chaos.

I’m not liking some of the reasoning. These explanations seem less like am

It's not retaliation. I voted him first.

I don't like the nonexistence questioning of any of his wolfreads (outside of me) and his continued marking of people as vt.

More explanation than I am used to seeing from her

this is AM quote w/o box:
“My angleshooting fingers are twitching.”

Bob- this is where she starts seeming more village to me. She seems genuinely irritated about wolf help

It's one thing to not worry, but a mod intentionally favoring things towards the wolves is egregious.

It's this one.

Yeah. She isn’t happy with mods helping wolves

Because it is a form of outside information. It's assuming the mod would break impartialness if wolves are in grave danger.

Etc. Even I was thinking, heck, let the game go on if D1. But she def disagree

I'm not sure. It seems inconsistent with his earlier statement of "vt > PR" though.

I think she is caught up in chaos back and forth for awhile.

Remember last game when you when making a big deal out of how Pippy not self-prezzing?

Valid point

1. Why are you questioning nobody but me?
2. Why does anything outside of affiliation matter?

It's not what she posted, but rather, the amount. She's lowposting.

What about Genny? She gave a reason but def low for her as well. Funny - I am not pushing ppl lurking this game but AM is. That is usually reversed.

This would be a better rebuttal if actually true. Noting the dodge again though.

Tunnel. I think

The real one is. Not the one capitalism wants you to taste though.

Interesting. Lol

AM def feels diff for start of game. Started slow. But now, so many that it is hard to iso. Explanations are more and different than usual to me.

Her posts today seems way more like AM. And seemingly genuine seething over possible wolf help pushes her toward village.

The whole thing with chaos was more v/v to me. I think it is spilled over from previous game.

 

[BobLoblaw78]

AM I feel like you're the type of person to make a cheese board, but have it only be different brands of American Cheese


I feel like Vis has talked a lot about like game logic and not a lot about the things actually going on, but maybe thats just me.

not a fan of the naked votes on me, neither genny or dubz gave any reasons, dubz jumped on after AM said she would be ok with some pressure on me, and is the only one to have a reason so far.

this is really, really concerning to me. I get its a weird D2 bc no one has died, but NONE of the wagons feel ok? the wagons at this point were:
cubs () -
Cray (2) - bobs, MKG
Chaos (1) - AM
AM (1) - chaos
Bobs (1) - Cray
Vissy (1) - Mels
MKG (2) - WZ, genny
WZ (1) - cubs

7/10 people playing are on the board and none of them look good??


her posts have actually contributed very little, plus the naked votes. Like IMO her village play is almost more chaotic than this? or at least it was during Bioshock.

Good points on visc. Still firmly in POE.

I actually thing Genny is usually more chaotic and jokey. Likely to offend and be sussed. The fact she isn’t is starting to really concern me

 

[BobLoblaw78]

Not that there’s any other specific wagon I want, I just don’t feel strongly about anyone. I feel like there are wolf and village points for everyone, and everyone I’ve had suspicions about has had responses that made me feel better about them. No flips is confusing for me.

I find this to be true when I village sometimes. But I find this to be even more true when I wolf bc I know who is village and who is wolf.

 

[BobLoblaw78]

Contigency yeet visc

(or any other wagon that will actually not end in tie! Jk)

 

[Chaostrodon]

Has the day started yet

 

[Viscernable]

Visc usually has much better reads and about multiple people. Either she is having a very tough time or is wolf

That’s not how I wolf. I’d just make something up to justify firmer “reads”

 

[Melchizedek]

For the love of....

Can we consolidate?

Visc is still my number 1 vote today

I'd vote AM because the AM/Chaos thing is distracting and we need one or the other to stop tunneling and start evaluating other people. AM weirds me out between the two, especially after pushing genny to break the tie but herself choosing to remain on a vote that was going nowhere.

Bob has been voting but not making pushes on his wolf reads, could vote here but not feeling strong enough about it.

WZ I'd vote for lack of wolf hunting, but also some paranoia there.

 

[cubsrule4e]

I swear if no one dies im going vote null.

 

[cubsrule4e]

For the love of....

Can we consolidate?

Visc is still my number 1 vote today

I'd vote AM because the AM/Chaos thing is distracting and we need one or the other to stop tunneling and start evaluating other people. AM weirds me out between the two, especially after pushing genny to break the tie but herself choosing to remain on a vote that was going nowhere.

Bob has been voting but not making pushes on his wolf reads, could vote here but not feeling strong enough about it.

WZ I'd vote for lack of wolf hunting, but also some paranoia there.

And a lot of "thats not how I wolf" defenses going around from the people in question. Agree the chaos/AM thing has started to look more and more v/v just as it was with me and chaos in CYO. Bob still solid village read for me. I need to go back and look at genny's contributions from when she finally came on. I'll probably stick with a WZ vote.

 

[Lawpy]

night closed

 

[Chaostrodon]

And a lot of "thats not how I wolf" defenses going around from the people in question. Agree the chaos/AM thing has started to look more and more v/v just as it was with me and chaos in CYO. Bob still solid village read for me. I need to go back and look at genny's contributions from when she finally came on. I'll probably stick with a WZ vote.

"me and chaos" in CYO wasnt v/v

 

[Animal Midwife]

What about Genny? She gave a reason but def low for her as well. Funny - I am not pushing ppl lurking this game but AM is. That is usually reversed.

Don't have a read on her. It's why I spent hours try to understand why she was in Chaos's village reads.

Regarding the lurking, you clearly haven't played with me enough.

 

[Chaostrodon]

Current priority list for me:

AM/Mkg > Cubs/Visc/Cray > Genny/Mel/Dubz > Bob

My omgus lenses arent allowing me to remove AM from that corner , but I realize it could possibly be v/v so I would probably vote Mkg today.

Cubs seems a little better wrt to reads so he goes up to neutral.
Cray's d2 seems worse and much more lackluster compared to her d1 so she goes all the way down to neutral.
Dubz tone sounds alright so she moves up by a bit

 

[Animal Midwife]

For the love of....

Can we consolidate?

Visc is still my number 1 vote today

I'd vote AM because the AM/Chaos thing is distracting and we need one or the other to stop tunneling and start evaluating other people. AM weirds me out between the two, especially after pushing genny to break the tie but herself choosing to remain on a vote that was going nowhere.

Bob has been voting but not making pushes on his wolf reads, could vote here but not feeling strong enough about it.

WZ I'd vote for lack of wolf hunting, but also some paranoia there.

Mel, what do you mean? Vis had just as many votes as Chaos did. Was that vote going nowhere too?

 

[cubsrule4e]

"me and chaos" in CYO wasnt v/v

I guess youre right. I wasnt on a wolf team, so i guess the recall took a minute. Point I was making is it seems like last game you lurked way more, this game youre back tunneling someone like you did with me in CYO.

 

[Chaostrodon]

Something I noticed about Mel , he seems a bit different compared to the few games Ive played with him.
Somehow he sounds more ...collaborative?

I do not put much stock in pmeta , but I wonder if it means something

 

[Chaostrodon]

It is a joke. But hard to think of this joke if you are wolf and know it isn’t a bastard game

Lol , I wrote similar **** last game

 

[Lawpy]

N2

Lawpy woke up in eager anticipation of finally being able to eat a donut... but sadly was not able to do so. Lawpy remains sad and disappointed for not being able to eat donuts, and the donuts are gradually frustrated and tensed for not being able to be eaten. The Dunkin Donuts workers watch the situation disapprovingly, wondering when Lawpy will be able to finally eat a donut or whether he's condemned from eating donuts... forever? 😢

No one was eaten.​

D3 starts now. Yeet closes tonight 10 PM EST (8/15)

Players

1. @Animal Midwife
2. @Melchizedek
3. @Viscernable
4. @BobLoblaw78
5. @Crayola227
6. @genny
7. @WildZoo
8. @mkg323
98. @cubsrule4e
100. @Chaostrodon

Dead
Lawpy's appetite

 

[genny]

yeet lawpy

donuts live happily ever after.

 

[Chaostrodon]

Vote Mkg

 

[Viscernable]

Yeet mkg

I originally didn’t like the vote because some of the reasoning I was seeing looked sus but I feel better about many of the people pushing her now

 

[Melchizedek]

Mel, what do you mean? Vis had just as many votes as Chaos did. Was that vote going nowhere too?

You're solo-tunneling Chaos. After D1, other people have chimed in and said he's probably village. Even Visc's vote D1 for Chaos was an RVS vote that she stuck to (sketch points to Visc for that). So yes. The chaos vote was going nowhere.

Whereas Visc seems to be on multiple people's radars and somehow isn't actually picking up votes. Different situation which feels like unnatural resistance.

 

[Animal Midwife]

yeet lawpy

donuts live happily ever after.

Do you have updated thoughts from yesterday?

 

[Animal Midwife]

Yeet mkg

I originally didn’t like the vote because some of the reasoning I was seeing looked sus but I feel better about many of the people pushing her now

Did you change your mind on dubz?

 

[mkg323]

Spoiler: LAWPY WAT R U DOIN

 

[Viscernable]

Did you change your mind on dubz?

She’s not a village read but I like what I saw from rereading her posts. Certainly doesn’t feel like she’s orchestrating any grand powerwolfing schemes so far.

 

[Animal Midwife]

You're solo-tunneling Chaos. After D1, other people have chimed in and said he's probably village. Even Visc's vote D1 for Chaos was an RVS vote that she stuck to (sketch points to Visc for that). So yes. The chaos vote was going nowhere.

Whereas Visc seems to be on multiple people's radars and somehow isn't actually picking up votes. Different situation which feels like unnatural resistance.

He just feels weird to me. idk it's difficult for me to yeet Vis.

 

[Lawpy]

D3 Gentle Doughnut Tally (version 3.1)

vissy (1) - bobs
MKG (2) - chaos, vissy

3/10 voting

Yeet close in ~11 hours

 

[Melchizedek]

He just feels weird to me. idk it's difficult for me to yeet Vis.

acknowledged. But you being on a lone vote on someone who the thread doesn't even want to consider, is not helping village. Especially now when we are 3 days in and don't have a flip.

We need to consolidate and you're not helping, so I expect you to get over your chaos feels and vote with some better analysis today. There's more than one wolf and there's time to re-evaluate Chaos once we get some flips.

 

[Animal Midwife]

acknowledged. But you being on a lone vote on someone who the thread doesn't even want to consider, is not helping village. Especially now when we are 3 days in and don't have a flip.

We need to consolidate and you're not helping, so I expect you to get over your chaos feels and vote with some better analysis today. There's more than one wolf and there's time to re-evaluate Chaos once we get some flips.

I'm still interested in mkg, but I'd also like a readslists from @Crayola227 .

 

[Melchizedek]

He just feels weird to me. idk it's difficult for me to yeet Vis.

Also explain this to me, just imagine for a second that Chaos is village. You said you didn't want to vote there because Visc voted for Chaos D1. What other reason do you have for not wanting to vote Visc?

You've done this multiple times where you've cleared someone for something minor and they've turned out to be wolf. You're wrong again.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Also explain this to me, just imagine for a second that Chaos is village. You said you didn't want to vote there because Visc voted for Chaos D1. What other reason do you have for not wanting to vote Visc?

You've done this multiple times where you've cleared someone for something minor and they've turned out to be wolf. You're wrong again.

Vis has been misyeeted early on multiple times in the past and I don't feel comfortable voting her unless I'm certain.

 

[WildZoo]

I quit

 

[WildZoo]

Yeet mkg

I originally didn’t like the vote because some of the reasoning I was seeing looked sus but I feel better about many of the people pushing her now

So I'm not in your village leans but you feel good enough about me to vote for the person I was on yesterday?

 

[BobLoblaw78]

And a lot of "thats not how I wolf" defenses going around from the people in question. Agree the chaos/AM thing has started to look more and more v/v just as it was with me and chaos in CYO. Bob still solid village read for me. I need to go back and look at genny's contributions from when she finally came on. I'll probably stick with a WZ vote.

I’m glad you put this (not how I wolf) bc visc said this and it def made me reconsider her. It is a pretty easy deflection.

Don't have a read on her. It's why I spent hours try to understand why she was in Chaos's village reads.

Regarding the lurking, you clearly haven't played with me enough.

Okay about lurking. I thought it was you that was telling me lurking was NAI. But good. Bc Genny always sticks out as more active then what she is doing.

Current priority list for me:

AM/Mkg > Cubs/Visc/Cray > Genny/Mel/Dubz > Bob

My omgus lenses arent allowing me to remove AM from that corner , but I realize it could possibly be v/v so I would probably vote Mkg today.

Cubs seems a little better wrt to reads so he goes up to neutral.
Cray's d2 seems worse and much more lackluster compared to her d1 so she goes all the way down to neutral.
Dubz tone sounds alright so she moves up by a bit

I agree with dubz. She hasn’t felt as wolfy to me as others. Doesn’t seem to be as pressured as I would expect if Wolfpack.

MKG doesn’t have much to go on but has been doing better with input.
My bottom four is Cray, then visc, Genny, AM

 

[Animal Midwife]

Okay about lurking. I thought it was you that was telling me lurking was NAI. But good. Bc Genny always sticks out as more active then what she is doing.

No, I never said that. Zeroposting is NAI. Lurking depends on who's doing it and the context.

I agree with dubz. She hasn’t felt as wolfy to me as others. Doesn’t seem to be as pressured as I would expect if Wolfpack.

MKG doesn’t have much to go on but has been doing better with input.
My bottom four is Cray, then visc, Genny, AM

What about mkg are you liking?

 

[Lawpy]

Not the okays!!! 🙁

 

[WildZoo]

Vis has been misyeeted early on multiple times in the past and I don't feel comfortable voting her unless I'm certain.

Which games were those? I don't recall it happening recently but my memory only goes back like 2 games these days.

 

[BobLoblaw78]

Yeet mkg

I originally didn’t like the vote because some of the reasoning I was seeing looked sus but I feel better about many of the people pushing her now

It feels more like this is an early prez vote to get someone else’s wagon going. And seems like bad logic with little to support it

She’s not a village read but I like what I saw from rereading her posts. Certainly doesn’t feel like she’s orchestrating any grand powerwolfing schemes so far.

So does MKG feel like she is orchestrating grand powerwolfing schemes??

 

[BobLoblaw78]

No, I never said that. Zeroposting is NAI. Lurking depends on who's doing it and the context.

What about mkg are you liking?

Just feels. I will take a closer look. But I def don’t like the lack of activity

 

[Animal Midwife]

Which games were those? I don't recall it happening recently but my memory only goes back like 2 games these days.

Breadsticks, Bioshock, England, and Wizards.

 

[BobLoblaw78]

ok but where's the 😛 ? Dubz you're freakin me out here

On dubz early

ok just playing the devils advocate here but if the wolves did target someone last night and the target is still alive, they already know that person is most likely not the protector/jailer (if that was the role that prevented the kill). so the pool is already narrowed for the wolves. My biggest concern is giving too much info about the role itself that prevented the kill. lets keep the wolves guessing about so they're always looking over their shoulder for a jailer/protector.

Village logic

So far I actually feel ok about him, he reminds me more of how he played in RvB than in Madagascar

Agrees with me somewhat on Cubs

Sorry I’ve been MIA. The vote on cray is interesting, I think she hasn’t been rocking the boat as much as she usually does.

I agree with this

Yeet cray
Let’s see what happens

Could’ve stayed on dubz for misyeet if she was wolf (assuming dubz isn’t)

Don’t feel great about genny, dubz, and now also cray. TBD on chaos, vissy. I can give more once I get to my laptop and I’m still alive

Somewhat similar bottom group as me. And agrees with cray and visc who I have as two most wolfy and not a lot of support. So, if she agrees on two and I’m right on one then it would make her unlikely wolf

On the downside she was supposed to get back to laptop and add more. But really hasn’t added much.

 

[Melchizedek]

Vote Visc

Though, I'll vote AM if thats where we want to consolidate.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Vote Visc

Though, I'll vote AM if thats where we want to consolidate.

I'm confused how you're misreading me this hard.

 

[cubsrule4e]

Vote Visc

Though, I'll vote AM if thats where we want to consolidate.

If we are going to come to a consensus I dont mind going here. Hasnt been my top priority but never was in my village leans. I also felt it strange she called me out last night, then when i responded back, she ISO'd me to figure out where my dubz vote came from, and used that logic to follow me onto that vote, knowing you were also considering dubz... like it was a possible wagon she could get going to deflect from her. The showing up an hour late for close was weird but I dont know that its necessarily AI. A village!Vis flip would further embolden me for a Dubbie vote.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Yeet mkg

 

[mkg323]

Really really not a fan of vis here. I feel like she’s hopping on me as an easy yeet since other people are sus of me. Haven’t seen anything from cray though so my thoughts on her haven’t changed. So for now,
Yeet cray