Florida Schools Application Thread (2008) part 2

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D-Bone said:
If I'm correct, NO ONE HAS BEEN WAITLISTED AT UF YET. They do not compile a waitlist until now, which is when the interview season is officially over. I interviewed last Friday and was just place in Hold category. We were told (and per some documentation they gave us) that they now go through all the hold applicants and compile an official waitlist. They will also accept some more people right away as they put this official waitlist together.

So those who are currently on hold will likely hear something very soon. Good luck!
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No, I know some students who have been waitlisted for a couple months now.
 
wally47 said:
No, I know some students who have been waitlisted for a couple months now.
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I'm going on what I've been told by the admissions director. Is it possible the people you know mistook HOLD as WAITLIST? Really doesn't matter...we can agree to disagree (San Diego...whale's vagina).
 
mikedc813 said:
Tomorrow (March 20) is Match Day for all US medical schools and the list of where graduating students will be going should be sometime soon. It's always entertaining to take a look at match lists to see what fields and which schools that medical graduates are going to for residency. If I can get my hands on an electronic copy of USF's match list to send out I will let you know.
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Hey mike, :luck: with the match!
 
thoffen said:
Hey mike, :luck: with the match!
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Luck to his classmates. He already matched into rad onco at USF. The rad onc programs have an early match apparently.

LOL

2 of my friends at Miami find out tomorrow. Good luck to them. 🙂
 
D-Bone said:
I'm going on what I've been told by the admissions director. Is it possible the people you know mistook HOLD as WAITLIST? Really doesn't matter...we can agree to disagree (San Diego...whale's vagina).
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My Bad... Just asked my friends again and they said they were on hold.
 
deuist said:
I think you've hit upon every reason in this post. UF's admissions procedures are great pain precisely because they try to interview all of the Ivy League applicants they can, while leaving everyone else behind. The Ivy League students then get accepted elsewhere and UF has to scramble to fill its class with the average Joes it shunned all along.
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Couldn't agree more. I can't tell you how many of us are waiting to hear back from our own school, especially when it's been since SEPTEMBER/OCTOBER!
 
gujuDoc said:
Luck to his classmates. He already matched into rad onco at USF. The rad onc programs have an early match apparently.

LOL

2 of my friends at Miami find out tomorrow. Good luck to them. 🙂
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Rad onc isn't early match. Moffitt happened to go outside of the match this year since it is a new program. That means that they offered me a position directly without officially ranking me through the match. The other position will be someone from Case Western. All other rad onc programs except the NCI went through the match this year. Moffitt will be a participant in the match from here on out.
 
SillyMeMD said:
Alright guys! Here's USF's Match List:

http://health.usf.edu/nocms/publicaffairs/now/matchlist2008.pdf

Congrats to all the 4th years 👍
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You beat me to it. 😉. I was just about to post the match list.

Also for those you interested, they had a bit of a video from match day on the main page to USF health: http://health.usf.edu/medicine

From what I can see we had 3 people match into Rad onco including our fav. person Mike! 😀

This is the first time I've seen that at USF from what I've seen in past match lists. About 15 in EM. there were also a few in ortho, rads, and 1 in derm. so lot of people getting into competitive fields. That's impressive though probably also a matter of career choice.
 
Could someone please explain to me once and for all what a preliminary year is? Is it a bad thing? After taking a look at USF's match list, I get the impression it is. Take neurology for example. Some students matched into neurology while some matched into a prelim year/neurology. Is it kinda like a trial run to make sure you've got what it takes before a residency program actually accepts you? If I'm completely off base here, set me straight!
 
Congratulations on the matches! I think that's great that so many of the USF students are staying at USF for their residencies. It must mean that they are happy at USF.
 
A prelim position is usually either in surgery or medicine. All a prelim program is is a 1 yr position required before several more advanced programs to provide a general foundation of knowledge. Rad onc, derm, radiology, neuro, anesthesia all require this 1 yr be done prior to starting your real residency. A prelim program is neither good nor bad - it's just a requirement. You apply separately for prelim programs. However, some advanced programs like rad onc include the prelim yr so you won't see a separate prelim yr listed. If the advanced program includes the preliminary year it's called a categorical program. (I know, it's confusing.)
 
Pretty good given the small class size if you ask me!

Anesthesiology: 2
Dermatology: 1
Emergency Medicine: 4
Family Medicine: 10
General Surgery: 3
Internal Medicine: 10
Ob/Gyn: 11
Ophthamology: 1
Orthopaedic Surgery: 3
Pathology: 1
Pediatrics: 4
Physical Medicine and Rehab: 1
Plastic Surgery: 1
Psychiatry: 3
Radiology: 2
 
Here are the tabled results that I have so far:



.....................................FSU.....UF.....USF
Anesthesiology...................2........6.......4
Dermatology......................1........2........1
Emergency Medicine............4........6......15
Family Medicine.................10........7........6
Internal Medicine...............11.......14.....25
Med/Peds.........................0........2........0
Neurological Surgery...........0........1........0
Neurology.........................0........2........7
Obstetrics & Gynecology.....11.......7........4
Ophthalmology...................1........4........1
Orthopaedic Surgery...........3........1........4
Otolaryngology..................0........1........1
Pathology.........................1........2........3
Pediatrics.........................4........17.....15
Physical Medicine...............0........1........2
Plastic Surgery..................1........0........1
Psychiatry........................3........5........6
Radiation Oncology............0........2........3
Radiology-Diagnostic..........2........13......7
Surgery, General...............3........8........9
Urology...........................0........4........0
Vascular Surgery...............0........0........1

I will add the UM results once they are released. The Boca matches are listed below.
 
I am assuming that the first USF column is really FSU?
 
Some great unofficial stats from yesterday's match at Miami:

9(!) in Optho
4 in Urology
3 in Ortho
1 in Integrated Plastics
4-5 in Dermatology
around 15-20 in Anesthesia
1 in Rad Onc
 
DwyaneWade said:
Some great unofficial stats from yesterday's match at Miami:

9(!) in Optho
4 in Urology
3 in Ortho
1 in Integrated Plastics
4-5 in Dermatology
around 15-20 in Anesthesia
1 in Rad Onc
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Very impressive. I wonder where these folks ended up.
 
DwyaneWade said:
Some great unofficial stats from yesterday's match at Miami:

9(!) in Optho
4 in Urology
3 in Ortho
1 in Integrated Plastics
4-5 in Dermatology
around 15-20 in Anesthesia
1 in Rad Onc
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Is this fro the main campus, boca campus, or a combo of both?
 
Has anybody heard from USF about their waitlist status lately? The last update I received was 2 months ago. Just wondering if this is the case with anybody else. Thanks!
 
gujuDoc said:
Is this fro the main campus, boca campus, or a combo of both?
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There is no distinction and you will not see one when the match list comes out, since these students are all from the days when FAU was a part of UM. Personally, I don't know how many of those are from Boca.

Mike, I don't know where everyone matched since I left in the middle. Here is what I heard:

rad onc: Kaiser La
plastics: UCSF
derm: 3 at UM
optho: 1 at UM, the rest scattered
ortho: 1 at UM
urology: 1 at baylor, 2 at penn
 
DwyaneWade said:
There is no distinction and you will not see one when the match list comes out, since these students are all from the days when FAU was a part of UM. Personally, I don't know how many of those are from Boca.

Mike, I don't know where everyone matched since I left in the middle. Here is what I heard:

rad onc: Kaiser La
plastics: UCSF
derm: 3 at UM
optho: 1 at UM, the rest scattered
ortho: 1 at UM
urology: 1 at baylor, 2 at penn
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Thanks.
 
NewAndImproved said:
Could someone please explain to me once and for all what a preliminary year is? Is it a bad thing? After taking a look at USF's match list, I get the impression it is. Take neurology for example. Some students matched into neurology while some matched into a prelim year/neurology. Is it kinda like a trial run to make sure you've got what it takes before a residency program actually accepts you? If I'm completely off base here, set me straight!
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Neurology, Radiology, EM, and some other fields have a couple of different models out there. Some programs start the PGY1 year, others require a prelim year first and begin as PGY2. Either way, the total amount of training time will be the same. There is no correlation to the strength of a program and the requirement of a prelim year.

So, any time you see a double listing for a person (meaning prelim year then rads or neuro, etc), that means the person did indeed successfully match. I'm saying the same thing as Mike in a slightly different way because the issue is a bit confusing.
 
DwyaneWade said:
around 15-20 in Anesthesia
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I don't know why anesthesiology keeps getting touted as a competitive specialty. I was just looking over the numbers for this year's Match and noticed that 1,104 U.S. seniors applied for 1,364 spots in anesthesiology nationwide. Of the seniors, 1,070 matched (97%), and 36 residency spots were left unfilled---enough places for all applicants to wind up somewhere.

Further, I looked at the applicants' data from last year. The average STEP I score was 220, the vast majority of seniors were not AOA, and almost half had no publications. Anesthesiology is only mildly competitive like emergency medicine.
 
deuist said:
Here are the tabled results that I have so far:



.....................................FSU.....UF.....USF
Anesthesiology...................2........6.......4
Dermatology......................1........2........1
Emergency Medicine............4........6......15
Family Medicine.................10........7........6
Internal Medicine...............11.......14.....25
Med/Peds.........................0........2........0
Neurological Surgery...........0........1........0
Neurology.........................0........2........7
Obstetrics & Gynecology.....11.......7........4
Ophthalmology...................1........4........1
Orthopaedic Surgery...........3........1........4
Otolaryngology..................0........1........1
Pathology.........................1........2........3
Pediatrics.........................4........17.....15
Physical Medicine...............0........1........2
Plastic Surgery..................1........0........1
Psychiatry........................3........5........6
Radiation Oncology............0........2........3
Radiology-Diagnostic..........2........13......7
Surgery, General...............3........8........9
Urology...........................0........4........0
Vascular Surgery...............0........0........1

I will add the UM results once they are released. The Boca matches are listed below.
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Deuist, could you do a favor, could you put in parenthesis the % of that schools entrances per specialty? This way it will reflect a little bit of the size difference between schools.

As well, not to know UF, but I am sort of surprised at the turnout for UF matches. No plastics, 1 ortho surgery, and no vascular surgery. To be fair they did have a neurosurgeon, 4 urologists, tons of radiology, etc. Now, of course this information doesn't reflect what people wanted and received or not received. Everyone in the UF list could be really happy with their matches while perhaps the other schools have more disappointment. But, my question is do the matches matter? Do they make a school more competitive and perhaps higher ranked when they have per Se, many more surgery matches than any other school?

Anyway, thanks deuist, you're work as always is invaluable. Can you tell me where an electrophysiologist would fit in for residency?

DEUIST FOR MAYOR!!!
 
axlaxl1 said:
Deuist, could you do a favor, could you put in parenthesis the % of that schools entrances per specialty? This way it will reflect a little bit of the size difference between schools.

As well, not to know UF, but I am sort of surprised at the turnout for UF matches. No plastics, 1 ortho surgery, and no vascular surgery. To be fair they did have a neurosurgeon, 4 urologists, tons of radiology, etc. Now, of course this information doesn't reflect what people wanted and received or not received. Everyone in the UF list could be really happy with their matches while perhaps the other schools have more disappointment. But, my question is do the matches matter? Do they make a school more competitive and perhaps higher ranked when they have per Se, many more surgery matches than any other school?

Anyway, thanks deuist, you're work as always is invaluable. Can you tell me where an electrophysiologist would fit in for residency?

DEUIST FOR MAYOR!!!
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1) Vascular surgery recently became it's own residency. Previously you had to go through general surgery and do a vascular fellowship. In a vascular surgery program, you just go straight through vascular with maybe a year in general to start out with. You can still go through gen surg and do a fellowship, however. I think there are only 6 vascular programs in the country, with USF starting one in 2008. So it's not surprising more people didn't go into vascular.

2) Match lists are interesting to look at to see what fields people are going into from each school, but realize there are many many many factors that determine the schools that people rank high and the fields that people go into. There are always people who could have match at Harvard or Yale in a competitive specialty who need to stay close to home due to personal/family reasons or maybe they just didn't like Harvard that much. I know someone who ranked USF #1 in their field over Harvard because they just liked USF better. The point is that people don't always choose to rank the most competitive programs high (just like when applying to med school).

3) A school's match list is little more than a reflection of the individual interests of that year's class. The number of people matching into a certain field will change from year to year at the same school. It's not necessarily good or bad that there are more people doing surgery at school X compared to Y and Z. Furthermore, I think a school's curriculum has an effect on what people end up going into - USF has a huge number of EM matches in large part because we have a 3rd year EM rotation that is consistently voted as the best 3rd year clerkship.

4) I think that it does say something that a school consistently has graduates going into the most competitive fields, especially if you are a pre-med looking to do something competitive. It lets you know that others have gone through the steps to be competitive and that the school has hopefully given a lot of great support and advice to help that person match. Due to the number of positions in addition to other factors I'd say the MOST difficult programs to match into are radiation oncology (148 positions), dermatology (227 positions), plastic surgery (92 positions), and otolaryngology (276 positions). Compare this to internal medicine which had 4,889 available categorical positions this year. Check out data on this year's match: http://www.nrmp.org/data/advancedatatables2008.pdf.

5) Here is a detailed breakdown of last year's match (2007). It has A LOT of great info broken down by specialty such as what percent was AOA, had research, etc. http://www.nrmp.org/data/chartingoutcomes2007.pdf
 
Great website about match data👍, and I agree with your comments too. There is something to say about how many match into ROAD specialties, however there are so many factors that go into this process that no honest person could conclude that his or her chances of going into a ROAD specialty will be greatly increased. Just think about all of the highly ranked applicants who decide ROAD isn't the route for them.🙄 (substitute ROAD for anything competitive)
 
What about electrophysiology? What field does that fall under, if one wanted to follow that "road?"
 
axlaxl1 said:
What about electrophysiology? What field does that fall under, if one wanted to follow that "road?"
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Electrophysiology is a cardiology fellowship. You would do internal medicine, then cardiology, then electrophys.
 
mikedc813 said:
Electrophysiology is a cardiology fellowship. You would do internal medicine, then cardiology, then electrophys.
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Cool, thanks. That isn't that competative. AWESOME!
 
axlaxl1 said:
Cool, thanks. That isn't that competative. AWESOME!
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Medicine residencies may be a dime a dozen, but cardiology fellowships certainly are not. You must be a strong applicant because cardiology is a competitive fellowship. There's a BIG difference compared to applying for internal medicine. I'm sure electrophys isn't easy to get into either...
 
mikedc813 said:
Medicine residencies may be a dime a dozen, but cardiology fellowships certainly are not. You must be a strong applicant because cardiology is a competitive fellowship. There's a BIG difference compared to applying for internal medicine. I'm sure electrophys isn't easy to get into either...
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I can understand that but I am sure it is easier than the more popular ones i.e. like derm or radiology. It may be difficult or competitive residency but I think the lack of popularity makes it a little more ascertainable. Would you agree?

Guess I gotta pull out DA GUNS:boom:! UH-OH
 
axlaxl1 said:
I can understand that but I am sure it is easier than the more popular ones i.e. like derm or radiology. It may be difficult or competitive residency but I think the lack of popularity makes it a little more ascertainable. Would you agree?

Guess I gotta pull out DA GUNS:boom:! UH-OH
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You can't compare derm to cardiology. You have a totally different group of applicants in each case. I am neither going into Medicine or Cards so I can't really speak from experience, but the point I am making is not to underestimate the difficulty of getting the fellowship of your dreams even though it's not like applying to derm. Some people don't get the fellowship at all and others may end up in a part of the country or at a program that they don't like. I wish you luck, however. Just work hard and you'll get where you need to be. Cardiology and electrophysiology are a ways off for you.
 
The Match list does indeed play a role in ranking. The U.S. News & World Report's primary care ranking is based upon the number of seniors who enter the primary care specialties. Also, for the reasons that you alluded to, pre-meds will see a match list that contains four students going into derm or neurosurg and will conclude that one school is better than another---even though specialty choice is an individual decision. Just look at Miami. We don't have an emergency medicine residency program and our EM rotation isn't until 4th year. Yet somehow, we manage to have 8-10 people match into EM each year.

Someone else already mentioned the electrophysiology route. I'll just echo what he said about cardiology being an immensely competitive subspecialty. Each year, only 75% of applicants match into cards---and those are the people who thought they were competitive enough to enter the field after three years of residency.
 
deuist said:
The Match list does indeed play a role in ranking. The U.S. News & World Report's primary care ranking is based upon the number of seniors who enter the primary care specialties.
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This is true, so I stand corrected. On the other hand, the USN&W list that most people look at is the one based on research.
 
deuist said:
I don't know why anesthesiology keeps getting touted as a competitive specialty. I was just looking over the numbers for this year's Match and noticed that 1,104 U.S. seniors applied for 1,364 spots in anesthesiology nationwide. Of the seniors, 1,070 matched (97%), and 36 residency spots were left unfilled---enough places for all applicants to wind up somewhere.

Further, I looked at the applicants' data from last year. The average STEP I score was 220, the vast majority of seniors were not AOA, and almost half had no publications. Anesthesiology is only mildly competitive like emergency medicine.
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I had the same perceptions about anesthesiology until recently. I am surprised by the match data that shows such a high match rate.
 
axlaxl1 said:
Deuist, could you do a favor, could you put in parenthesis the % of that schools entrances per specialty? This way it will reflect a little bit of the size difference between schools.

As well, not to know UF, but I am sort of surprised at the turnout for UF matches. No plastics, 1 ortho surgery, and no vascular surgery. To be fair they did have a neurosurgeon, 4 urologists, tons of radiology, etc. Now, of course this information doesn't reflect what people wanted and received or not received. Everyone in the UF list could be really happy with their matches while perhaps the other schools have more disappointment. But, my question is do the matches matter? Do they make a school more competitive and perhaps higher ranked when they have per Se, many more surgery matches than any other school?

Anyway, thanks deuist, you're work as always is invaluable. Can you tell me where an electrophysiologist would fit in for residency?

DEUIST FOR MAYOR!!!
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Yea im here with you about UF...i was surprised too...no offense to them but I even remember them sorta bragging about their match list...not only was there a lack of certain specialties but also not that many "impressive" places...in comparison I felt that UMiami's match blew UF out of the water...just amazing
 
deuist said:
The Match list does indeed play a role in ranking. The U.S. News & World Report's primary care ranking is based upon the number of seniors who enter the primary care specialties. Also, for the reasons that you alluded to, pre-meds will see a match list that contains four students going into derm or neurosurg and will conclude that one school is better than another---even though specialty choice is an individual decision. Just look at Miami. We don't have an emergency medicine residency program and our EM rotation isn't until 4th year. Yet somehow, we manage to have 8-10 people match into EM each year.
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If USNews rankings used match results, what would be most important, the competitiveness of match specialty (Derm, plastics) or difficulty of specific program (Harvard, NYU, etc..)? Say that X school has more matches into competitive residencies than school Y. But school Y has matches like IM but they are into competitive programs like Yale New Haven Hospital or Stanford Med center.
 
ufgrad00 said:
If USNews rankings used match results, what would be most important, the competitiveness of match specialty (Derm, plastics) or difficulty of specific program (Harvard, NYU, etc..)? Say that X school has more matches into competitive residencies than school Y. But school Y has matches like IM but they are into competitive programs like Yale New Haven Hospital or Stanford Med center.
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I don't think that's a question that can be answered. There's no way to objectively measure something like that - you're comparing apples and oranges. Getting into radiation oncology/derm/etc is difficult PERIOD, no matter the specific residency program. I think there were zero unfilled derm positions this year and only unfilled 1 rad onc position (the NRMP data is incorrect by saying 4 due to some programs pulling out of the match). I'm sure many people who successfully matched into something competitive could not match into one of the top tier medicine programs. Heck I didn't get offered an interview for the MGH preliminary Medicine program.

The best way to evaluate a school's match list is to just get a general idea of what fields graduates are going to and the general caliber of residency program. Don't think just because someone matched at Harvard for derm coming out of a certain med school, you'll be able to do so too. That person likely could have matched there if he/she went somewhere else for med school. Comparing the match lists this year and during past years among the FL schools, I think the take home message is go to the school you like the best because you can match extremely well anywhere.

As an aside, something I have been wondering for a while is how FSU supports its students who want to do something competitive (not primary care). I met a rad onc applicant from FSU on the interview trail and he basically said FSU did not support his decision to apply to radiation oncology and did not accommodate him so that he could do the extra things he needed to make himself a competitive application. He was essentially on his own. Has anyone else from FSU had similar experiences?
 
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