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McMD said:
when in all actuality they have one of the lowest mcat averages around and their gpa average is only mediocre. They want to be an ivy league school so bad that they first accept applicants from schools like Vanderbilt, Harvard, etc. Then they get to the Florida residents. Personally, I think it's bull****. 😡
I actually have to disagree with these points (and believe me, I'm not trying to compliment UF). Their average MCAT is about 31.5, which is higher than a lot of state schools nationwide and I think their avg GPA is a 3.8, which is very high. My experience has been that they actually prefer students who went to UF or other in-state schools, perhaps because in general their GPAs are a bit better than at top schools. Not to take anything away from anyone who went to these schools because a 4.0 is hard to get no matter where you go (and obviously, looking at their high avg MCAT, all the students they admit are highly intelligent and capable), but typically the GPAs do tend to be a bit higher. and I think UF likes to have a high GPA average so they take more of their own students. but this has just what I've heard from a few other people, so it could all be hearsay
 
McMD said:
Ok, first of all I hate UF with a passion. Secondly, here's a story that may piss some of you applicants with great stats off. I have a friend who is a first year now, who made a 24 on the MCAT and had an average gpa. He decided to "show his face" around campus, so he made an appointment to tour the school one day that interviews were being held. He then called for months until he got an interview, then was put on the alternate list. He called the school every week until he was finally accepted in June. Take what you want from this story, but I do not feel that UF is the greatest school. They think that they are up there with Johns Hopkins and that's why they have "pre-interview hold, post-interview hold," etc, when in all actuality they have one of the lowest mcat averages around and their gpa average is only mediocre. They want to be an ivy league school so bad that they first accept applicants from schools like Vanderbilt, Harvard, etc. Then they get to the Florida residents. Personally, I think it's bull****. 😡


Actually, most of these students from schools like vandy, Duke, Cornell are nothing but Florida residents that went out of state for undergrad.

And if Mr. Burns is anything to go by, I wouldn't say that they picked all students from top schools first, cuz she went to DUKE and still hasn't heard anything.

However, I do agree that UF is trying to toughen standards because of hopes to become more top tier.

however, take into account that a lot of the top applicants accepted into any med school will often get multiple acceptances and may choose a higher ranked school.

I'm sure if UF and USF and any med school had it their way, the people who they accepted first would be the ones to make up the class, not any of the waitlist applicants.

However, keep in mind that there are times when up to 50% if not more of the originally accepted group drops an acceptance at one school and goes to another school, causing there to be people with the more mediocre stats to get a chance to get in.

If I was an adcom, I'd want the most deserving person, meaning the one with the highest scores and best ECs combined to get in first, and then I'd interview the people who are more mediocre too. However, if I was at a state school, as an adcom member, I'd be naive to believe that the majority of the applicants would stay at my school if they got scholarship offers, better research opportunities, etc from another school.

Just my 2 cents.
 
McMD said:
Ok, first of all I hate UF with a passion. Secondly, here's a story that may piss some of you applicants with great stats off. I have a friend who is a first year now, who made a 24 on the MCAT and had an average gpa. He decided to "show his face" around campus, so he made an appointment to tour the school one day that interviews were being held. He then called for months until he got an interview, then was put on the alternate list. He called the school every week until he was finally accepted in June. Take what you want from this story, but I do not feel that UF is the greatest school. They think that they are up there with Johns Hopkins and that's why they have "pre-interview hold, post-interview hold," etc, when in all actuality they have one of the lowest mcat averages around and their gpa average is only mediocre. They want to be an ivy league school so bad that they first accept applicants from schools like Vanderbilt, Harvard, etc. Then they get to the Florida residents. Personally, I think it's bull****. 😡
What I take from this story is that your friend who is a first year now was rewarded for his perseverance. I admire him for that; it doesn't "piss me off." And second of all, chill the f*** out. I don't know what the heck is wrong with everyone on SDN these days, but I'm really getting sick of reading posts like this that bash one school or another for their application procedures. If you don't think UF is the right school for you, that's fine. That doesn't mean it's a horrible school or that your friend didn't deserve to get accepted there. If I were that guy and I read your post, you'd be an ex-friend of mine pretty d*** quickly. 👎
 
BTW, just to make a few clarifications.........


I'm not saying everything is solely based on stats. And actually a good friend of mine got a 26 on his MCAT but maintained a 4.0 all through undergrad, well actually 3.99 but close enough to 4.0. Anyhow, he's an MS I now and still at the very very top of his class. Other friends of mine scored maybe one point higher then him and are also doing extremely well.

I think a person's ability to succeed in med school, or undergrad for that matter is based on their work ethic and ability to do what they need to until they get it down.

MCAT is one standard, but while there are some cases where a bad mcat is a product of someone not really knowing their stuff, there are cases where it is just a product of not having had a good day on test day or other factors affecting the MCAT score.

I have friends in med school struggling right now because they aren't keeping up with the work, and then I have other friends who have been dead on serious and done what they need to do with the maturity it takes and have gotten at the top of the class.

You are your own fate is what it boils down to. Even if the waitlisted applicants weren't a school's first choice of student body make up, they were people they felt would be able to make a good addition to the class otherwise wouldn't have interviewed much less waitlisted them. They may have just flat out rejected them.

I was just trying ot give some realistic perspective above, but not trying to say one person is better then the other just because they have good scores. Hope that clarifies some stuff.
 
gujuDoc said:
I was just trying ot give some realistic perspective above, but not trying to say one person is better then the other just because they have good scores. Hope that clarifies some stuff.
However, I think it's pretty well established that the better-looking you are, the better a person you are. Perhaps this is why I never heard from UF...

But I agree with you completely, guju, you are always so helpful. You know, they should make like a little guju doll that has all these inspirational sayings when you tug on a cord, like "Come on, you can do it! Go get 'em, Tiger!", "Your MCAT score doesn't define you...YOU define you!", and "Show that exam who's boss!" I'd buy one and take it to school with me.

I really need to stop drinking caffeine before bedtime...
 
Burnsie,

Are you sure its not Alcohol that you've been drinking????????????? :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
 
MrBurns10 said:
However, I think it's pretty well established that the better-looking you are, the better a person you are. Perhaps this is why I never heard from UF...

Natural blondes are considered URMs at UF. That's how I got in.
 
gujuDoc said:
Burnsie,

Are you sure its not Alcohol that you've been drinking????????????? :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Haha trust me, when I drink alcohol it gets MUCH worse than posting strange things on SDN. or much better, depending on how you look at it
 
unfrozencaveman said:
Natural blondes are considered URMs at UF. That's how I got in.
You're probably underrepresented in all of medicine, considering the harsh stereotypes your people have had to endure over the years. Way to overcome, man.

Guju doll says "You go girl! Go show society who's boss!'
 
Hey guys... we are falling to the bottom of 4th page. What's up with that?
 
For lack of a better topic...

I saw Munich last night. It was a really good movie, and I thought Spielberg did an excellent job with all aspects of the film. Other movies to see: Brokeback Mountain, Glory Road, Unfrozencaveman Does Miami, and Annapolis. You guys seen any good movies lately?
 
For those of you who got into Miami - did you hear back by email when Dr. Hinkley said you would? He told my group we'd hear either yesterday evening or this morning - and I haven't gotten an email or status page change yet. I'm impatient!
 
MrBurns10 said:
You're probably underrepresented in all of medicine, considering the harsh stereotypes your people have had to endure over the years. Way to overcome, man.

Guju doll says "You go girl! Go show society who's boss!'


Yes Unfrozen,

I am pretty sure you'll be the first cavewoman in the modern era, unless they find another preserved caveman waiting to be brought back to life again so that you can produce little caveboys and cavegirls. :meanie: :meanie:
 
Hey, do any of you know when they started interviewing OOS applicants, and when they are done interviewing, period. I'm OOS and after awhile of going without a complete confirmation, I emailed them and Dr. Hinkley said my file will go to admissions within the next week. But I am under the impression that being OOS, such a late review is normal.

Guju where are you applying/interviewing? I remember talking to you about the MCAT awhile ago, are you trying to go to USF?
 
Hey, do any of you know when they started interviewing OOS applicants, and when they are done interviewing, period. I'm OOS and after awhile of going without a complete confirmation, I emailed them and Dr. Hinkley said my file will go to admissions within the next week. But I am under the impression that being OOS, such a late review is normal.

Guju where are you applying/interviewing? I remember talking to you about the MCAT awhile ago, are you trying to go to USF?
 
Hey unfrozen, ran into this guy today. He asked for your number

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So I emailed Dr. Hinkley and I didnt get a response back? Does he respond to everyone..should I call and speak with him...what do you guys think??
 
I emailed Dr. Hinkley, and asked about how long is someone typically under evaluation and if he has any idea if I will be offered and interview or not. He simply said "the evaluation process is lengthy and to keep in touch".... 😕
 
foodlover said:
For those of you who got into Miami - did you hear back by email when Dr. Hinkley said you would? He told my group we'd hear either yesterday evening or this morning - and I haven't gotten an email or status page change yet. I'm impatient!

I heard back via email this morning - 7:30 AM or something like that.
 
NikkiFSU said:
Hey, do any of you know when they started interviewing OOS applicants, and when they are done interviewing, period. I'm OOS and after awhile of going without a complete confirmation, I emailed them and Dr. Hinkley said my file will go to admissions within the next week. But I am under the impression that being OOS, such a late review is normal.

Guju where are you applying/interviewing? I remember talking to you about the MCAT awhile ago, are you trying to go to USF?

I'm OOS and interviewed beginning of December. I was complete mid Sept.
 
Nikkifsu,

I'm going to try to do the new Special Masters program at USF and then try to get into their medical school if not wherever else will take me. 😛

In other words, I'm trying to do a masters first and then apply.
 
I think my response was about a week later than what he said it would be...maybe it was a few days, I don't remember, I just know it wasn't the day he said it would be. So don't worry and Good Luck!
 
He said the adcoms will see my file next week so that must be the next time they are meeting, so the "lengthy evaluation process" shouldn't be THAT bad, as if we were waiting another month from now to even get looked at. How hard is it to get an interview if you are OOS....like what are your guys' stats? I'm thinking they are going to tell me HELL NO with the residency strike against me...
 
foodlover said:
For those of you who got into Miami - did you hear back by email when Dr. Hinkley said you would? He told my group we'd hear either yesterday evening or this morning - and I haven't gotten an email or status page change yet. I'm impatient!

Hi--I interviewed back in the fall and it took an additional two weeks for our files to be reviewed due to the committee being back-logged from Hurricane Wilma. (Luckily, a friend of mine who attends ran into Dr. Hinkley the day before I was "supposed" to find out, and Dr. Hinkley told him about the delay, so luckily I wasn't left hanging!!!). But when I did find out, it did occur on the right day of the week (wed night).
 
Cheer up! They can be really tough on OOS residents, but just keep your hopes up! I'm in-state res. so I have no idea how it works! If you have "affiliations" with Florida you probably have a better chance than if you didn't though. (just my guess)

Good Luck though!
 
gujuDoc said:
Actually, most of these students from schools like vandy, Duke, Cornell are nothing but Florida residents that went out of state for undergrad.

Agreed... all of the Ivy leaguers at UF (at least in my class) were FL residents who went away for undergrad. I doubt that has changed much considering the funding UF gets from the state for taking FL residents.
 
McMD, why did you delete/edit your posts?

Originally Posted by McMD
Ok, first of all I hate UF with a passion.....They think that they are
up there with Johns Hopkins and that's why they have "pre-interview
hold, post-interview hold," etc, when in all actuality they have one
of the lowest mcat averages around and their gpa average is only
mediocre.
They want to be an ivy league school so bad that they first
accept applicants from schools like Vanderbilt, Harvard, etc. Then
they get to the Florida residents. Personally, I think it's bull****.

😱 Oh no! You found out UF's secret! We've pwn3d the USMLE by starting with low mcat and mediocre gpa. 😱

Your post is a bunch of boldfaced lies held together by vitriol. Before you start trashing a school, please get your facts straight. Open some med school guides and compare the numbers. Otherwise, please don't make meritless accusations.

UF is a public state school. It gives overwhelming preference to Florida residents and to claim otherwise is ridiculous. I believe guju addressed this superbly. Maybe what you meant to say is, "Then they get to the FSU students."

Btw, MrBurns, I love your sig. Is it original? Pure genius.
 
cayberr said:
Btw, MrBurns, I love your sig. Is it original? Pure genius.
I wish I could take credit, but alas, I'm not nearly that creative. Not to turn this into a political thread (please no), but my friends and I are all adamant Bush-haters (well that's a strong word...how about Bush-severely dislikers?) so they always send me these type things. I can PM you some other ones I have if you want. I would post them, but I don't want to offend anyone. Well, except Bush.

Gee, I hope I'm not being monitored right now...better submit this from my annoying coworker's computer/IP address.
 
cayberr said:
Maybe what you meant to say is, "Then they get to the FSU students."

I am not sure what the post you are responding to is about, or what it was in reaction to, but I'd love to know where you get off telling another SDNer not to judge a school they "know nothing about" and here you are doing exactly that. And I bet it is because you consider UF to be the "Harvard of the South" or whatever. I came to Fla OOS from NY for college, so obviously I was not about to go to U Tampa or something. But I had never heard about UF being good or anything and as far as I knew back then, UM and FSU were the only schools worth going to as a NY resident going far from home.

Then I heard about UF and all of their arrogant cockiness. I heard all about how UF's matriculants have an avg SAT a few points higher than those @ FSU, and apparently b/c at that time, they were trimming down their class size (thus being more selective). Yet people @ UF would make it out like it was Harvard, and FSU was a community college. It was pretty funny but I was so happy at FSU and could not ask for a more friendly and incredibly fun school to study at.

In the past 4 years, I've met quite a few people who attend UF and they are quite disappointed in the way people act and the personality of the school. I bring them out partying with me and they cannot believe that literally NOBODY tries to belittle you, stare you down, start a fight @ every party. They told me the people at UF (not everyone, but the VAST MAJORITY) are rich spoiled brats from South Fla and they act like it too. A few girls I know don't have many girls as friends because they are apparently so snotty and stuck up and straight lame that anyone who isn't like that just can't get along with most of the people there. I found that to be pretty sad and am so grateful I went to a school with a really laid-back, outgoing, fun, friendly, down-to-earth student body. I'm glad I didn't know about UF when I was applying because I probably would have gone there under the hyped up impression of its program and been stuck rotting in the farms of gainesville until I got the hell out and transferred.

OH and by the way your classes are basically the same as ours, including the course codes and everything, with meaningless fancy names. For example, our prokaryotic biology class is also MCB4403, which you school's undergrad names it "fundamental genetics of microorganisms" or some other weird name. Then I saw that it was the same textbook we had.....saw my friend's notes and tests....it was no harder or different. If UF students are getting some southern IVY LEAGUE education, so are FSU's. A lot of my classmates were older since I took all AP's and they are MS1's at Duke (full ride), USC, Columbia (full ride), Vanderbilt, Texas, etc. Sure there are people at other schools, I don't know what everyone did but but obviously the TOP SCHOOLS aren't getting to FSU students last, so who gives a **** if UF is?

Lastly even the interviewers are snotty apparently, my BF's sister interviewed @ their dental program as a back up and they were SO RUDE I couldn't believe it when I heard it. But she could care less when she got interviews from every school she applied to and her 3.95/21 DAT is too good to settle for a program that greets you with pure unprofessionalism.
 
NikkiFSU said:
I am not sure what the post you are responding to is about, or what it was in reaction to, but I'd love to know where you get off telling another SDNer not to judge a school they "know nothing about" and here you are doing exactly that.

No, I think you're overreacting and reading too much into a simple sentence. If you read the original post, McMD listed schools that she thinks UF accepts before accepting Florida residents, which is simply untrue. I suggested her school to make her argument parallel: accepts school, school, before this school rather than accepts school, school, before this state. Get it? It wasn't a FSU dig.

Then I heard about UF and all of their arrogant cockiness. I heard all about how UF's matriculants have an avg SAT a few points higher than those @ FSU, and apparently b/c at that time, they were trimming down their class size (thus being more selective). Yet people @ UF would make it out like it was Harvard, and FSU was a community college.

100 points is not a few. I wouldn't have addressed this if unsubstantiated stats wasn't an issue in the previous post. Btw, I wouldn't be so negative about community colleges. I think they provide a great service by offering an education to people who either don't have the opportunity or can't afford the costs of going away to college. An AA from a community college also enables one to transfer to any state school of their choice. Sounds good to me.

Sure there are people at other schools, I don't know what everyone did but but obviously the TOP SCHOOLS aren't getting to FSU students last, so who gives a **** if UF is?

I never said that or suggested it. I have no idea what adcom does. Reread my explanation from above. Besides, it would be shortsighted for an adcom to accept/reject any applicant based upon their alma mater rather than individual merits. I wouldn't want to attend a school that does such a thing.

UF/FSU/any school isn't for everyone. Go to the one that fits you academically and socially, irrespective of numbers and rankings. Nikki, it's great that you enjoyed your undergrad experience and I hope that med school will treat you just as well.
 
MrBurns10 said:
Gee, I hope I'm not being monitored right now...better submit this from my annoying coworker's computer/IP address.

Haha...whenever I'm on the phone with my SO, he always says, "You did again. What did you have to say that for? Now you're definitely being monitored." That free speech, I just can't get enough. No, no that's not right... to protect it we must not have it all. Gotta keep it safe.

PM the other ones over, I would be delighted to read them.
 
These are 2003 stats...sorry a litte old, but it was when I started looking at the stats...didn't bother buying the new edition EACH year it came out.

I did not post this to start an argument, I feel very strongly against UF and I'm sorry to offend anyone.

But you asked for stats:
UF MCAT average: 27.00
UM MCAT average: 29.20
USF MCAT average: 30.10
FSU is not listed for 2003 (too early, sorry)

These are actually taken from the "Complete Book of Medical Schools" by Princeton Review. Like I said, I feel very strongly against UF and I didn't mean to offend everyone, but what I posted was real, not something I made up.
 
Hey I got an interview at USF in Nov. So far They told me that I am at the bottom of their wait list. I don't know if other schools "rank" their wait lists or not, but would anyone happen to know if their is still hope even at the bottom; If so what should I do?? thanks
 
medguy83 said:
Hey I got an interview at USF in Nov. So far They told me that I am at the bottom of their wait list. I don't know if other schools "rank" their wait lists or not, but would anyone happen to know if their is still hope even at the bottom; If so what should I do?? thanks

A friend's bf was waitlisted at USF last year (middle of waiting list, and interviewed in feb/march). He got in off of the waiting list in May/June. I'm not sure how many people got in after him, but May/June is still pretty early for them to be at the middle of the waiting list. REL could probably answer this question better.
 
McMD said:
These are 2003 stats...sorry a litte old, but it was when I started looking at the stats...didn't bother buying the new edition EACH year it came out.

I did not post this to start an argument, I feel very strongly against UF and I'm sorry to offend anyone.

But you asked for stats:
UF MCAT average: 27.00
UM MCAT average: 29.20
USF MCAT average: 30.10
FSU is not listed for 2003 (too early, sorry)

These are actually taken from the "Complete Book of Medical Schools" by Princeton Review. Like I said, I feel very strongly against UF and I didn't mean to offend everyone, but what I posted was real, not something I made up.

I would be seriously surprised if that is true now. I am sure there is lag time between the collection and actual publication of those stats. Last I had heard (a year ago), UF had an avg MCAT of ~31.5 for the accepted class. Find out for yourself here: http://www.med.ufl.edu/oea/admiss/
 
medgator said:
I would be seriously surprised if that is true now. I am sure there is lag time between the collection and actual publication of those stats. Last I had heard (a year ago), UF had an avg MCAT of ~31.5 for the accepted class. Find out yourself here: http://www.med.ufl.edu/oea/admiss/


Yeah, first off UF's MCAT average for accepted students is around 32, NOW. And I just wanted to add that I hate FSU (for non-academic, personal reasons, haha).
 
rtmcad2319 said:
Yeah, first off UF's MCAT average for accepted students is around 32, NOW. And I just wanted to add that I hate FSU (for non-academic, personal reasons, haha).
So, where are you leaning right now in terms of med school? You have a lot of good choices. What about you, Hurricane95?
 
rtmcad2319 said:
Yeah, first off UF's MCAT average for accepted students is around 32, NOW. And I just wanted to add that I hate FSU (for non-academic, personal reasons, haha).

I hate UF and FSU because neither of them are the Miami Hurricanes

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(That's supposed to be a U)
 
McMD said:
These are 2003 stats...sorry a litte old, but it was when I started looking at the stats...didn't bother buying the new edition EACH year it came out.

I did not post this to start an argument, I feel very strongly against UF and I'm sorry to offend anyone.

But you asked for stats:
UF MCAT average: 27.00
UM MCAT average: 29.20
USF MCAT average: 30.10
FSU is not listed for 2003 (too early, sorry)

These are actually taken from the "Complete Book of Medical Schools" by Princeton Review. Like I said, I feel very strongly against UF and I didn't mean to offend everyone, but what I posted was real, not something I made up.


First off, as addressed above........

Those are 2003 stats, NOT CURRENT STATS. Do you even know how much a year makes a difference in averages??????????? Lets take a NY school for an example. The school NYU, used to have an average of 31 MCAT, but now they are close to 33-35 somewhere in their MCAT avg. So a year makes a big difference. People are starting to do better on the MCAT, although who's to know what happens with the new changes to the test. So this means the avg's are going up.

Oh and as pointed out earlier, the most current stats about UF was about 32 for their MCAT avg. USF was about 29-30 somewhere, as was the case with Miami. FSU has an average of 25 with about 8-9 in each subsection because they are a relatively new medical school and so had people with slightly lower averages. As they go along, I'm sure they'll be moving up in their averages to about 29 or 30 too.
 
McMD,

I also wanted to point out to you that Princeton Review is not the best source for information on MCAT and GPA averages since a lot of their information does NOT CORRELATE with official information given by schools from the AAMC. A better resource to invest in or see if a premed advisor or medical school or school library has is the MSAR. It is FAR MORE accurate and gives a ton of information besides just giving the stats. It even gives the percentage of people doing certain types of activities and from certain backgrounds etc.
 
Endee said:
I hate UF and FSU because neither of them are the Miami Hurricanes

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(That's supposed to be a U)

Go Canes!!!
 
RunnerMD said:
Go Canes!!!

Holla!

I expect to see picture of all of you future Hurricanes decked out in Green and Orange body paint with big foam Canes #1 hands!
 
Endee said:
Holla!

I expect to see picture of all of you future Hurricanes decked out in Green and Orange body paint with big foam Canes #1 hands!


You wanna hear something???????

So I have this friend who's an MS I at UMiami now. Anyhow, this particular friend was an undergrad at USF, and is a die hard BULLS fan because of his undergrad here. He was superly involved in everything here. Anyhow, when UMiami and USF played each other in the fall, for football, he sat on the USF side and decked him in green and good paint. His new Miami friends were making fun of him for supporting our losing USF team. I'm not big into sports, so it don't make a difference to me.
 
gujuDoc said:
You wanna hear something???????

So I have this friend who's an MS I at UMiami now. Anyhow, this particular friend was an undergrad at USF, and is a die hard BULLS fan because of his undergrad here. He was superly involved in everything here. Anyhow, when UMiami and USF played each other in the fall, for football, he sat on the USF side and decked him in green and good paint. His new Miami friends were making fun of him for supporting our losing USF team. I'm not big into sports, so it don't make a difference to me.

I go to UCF and when football is in season, you see alot of school spirit in terms of clothing the students are wearing (especially after this past season.) Once football season ends, though, everyone goes back to wearing their respective Miami/UF/FSU stuff. As for me, I just always wear the UM shirt, even during football season.
 
gujuDoc said:
You wanna hear something???????
Anyhow, when UMiami and USF played each other in the fall, for football, he sat on the USF side and decked him in green and good paint. His new Miami friends were making fun of him for supporting our losing USF team.

That's a true fan, have to support your team even when they're down. I was rooting for you guys after you killed Louisville. Crazy game! UF sucked but it looks like a good recruiting class so hopefully we'll be better next year.
 
cayberr said:
That's a true fan, have to support your team even when they're down.
Having been a Bucs fan since birth, I know exactly how this feels. I'm a huge football fan and I think it would have been fun to go to a football school (I was always a Noles fan)...too bad my crappy high school football team could probably beat my awful undergrad's team. Oh well, there's always basketball 😀

I have never, and will never again, use that smiley face. However, it felt appropriate and I'm on very little sleep, so it seemed okay at the time. I'm sure I'll regret this later.
 
In an effort to bump the thread from the depths of page 3...

Alright kids, for those who want to do an unofficial second look weekend at UM (if there is no official one...speaking of which, when will we know if there is one? anyone want to ask Dr. H again?), when would you all want to do it?
 
Hurricane95 is leaning towards UM (we've been friends for ~16 years, so that entitles me to speak on his behalf lol jk Hurricane). Yea Location / Happiness is a big factor for me, and "Board scores" this and that are irrelevant to me, since i will successful regardless of where I go.

"As a teen, Chuck Norris had sex with every nun in a convent tucked away in the hills of Tuscany. Nine months later the nuns gave birth to the 1972 Miami Dolphins, the only undefeated and untied team in professional football history."
 
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