Future of Anesthesiologists

[deleted162650]

It was a pretty good offer, which is why I looked into it. She has 20 or so friends in that range or higher. Not a lot of PAs up there, but there are some. Most start ~100, with experienced positions of 120-150 being more standard. Kind of like all the guys on here making 7 figures I guess.


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[Mman]

I'm in a micra state where pain and suffering is capped at $250000. Still we have had some awards >$10mil. Usually involves a child or young adult who requires a lifetime of care because of a medical mishap or a permanently disabling injury to a healthy working adult who can demonstrate sizeable economic damages.

those are exceedingly rare in the grand scheme of med mal cases. The vast majority of $$$ awards are for pain and suffering. When those are capped the cost of med mal insurance decreases.

 

[Psai]

Funny.
My wife was offered a job as a PA in that town making 300. Of course I'm a good husband so called the area group and checked into it.
They (a contact working there) were not sure why I laughed and then was silent after hearing that offer.
Corresponds to the other thread asking about if it is appropriate to find out compensation before flying somewhere.


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There has to be a catch

 

[doctalaughs]

What field?

Yeah, not really believable unless it's a terrible area where they cant get anyone for some reason. Because why wouldn't they just offer 25 percent more and get a doc.


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[deleted171991]

Yeah, not really believable unless it's a terrible area where they cant get anyone for some reason. Because why wouldn't they just offer 25 percent more and get a doc.


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Because 25% here 25% there add up, at least into a nice bonus for the management.

 

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[pjl]

Because 25% here 25% there add up, at least into a nice bonus for the management.

Or because the docs there make a LOT more. You guys are forgetting that in many specialties running a PA mill is equivalent to the CRNA mills of old in anesthesia.


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[doctalaughs]

Or because the docs there make a LOT more. You guys are forgetting that in many specialties running a PA mill is equivalent to the CRNA mills of old in anesthesia.


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I suppose, but even if the docs are making a million a year why would they pay a PA 300k if the average PA is getting 130k and they can train one up pretty quickly. Unlike highly specialized docs (or even CRNAs to a lesser extent) PAs are sort of interchangeable. Which gets back to maybe an area they can't find anyone.... supply and demand.


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[DrCommonSense]

I think we will see an averaging out of all physicians who are non-specialists settle in the $250k range for full time employment. These salaries are not much different than starting salaries for employed hospitalists and primary care physicians. True specialists who attract patients to an institution, such as surgeons, cardiologists, and oncologists will command more money even as they drift toward employed models as well.

I am not convinced that the anesthesia fellowships will bring you more money in the future. Maybe in the short term a cardiac anesthesiologist might command a higher salary, but I don't think that will last. The better reason to do a fellowship is you like it and it gives you more options.

Correct, most specialties will be forced into employed positions whereby they make about 30% over a PCP salary taking FAR HIGHER risk.

Don't even know at that point it would be worth better to avoid Primary Care at that point.

 

[DrCommonSense]

I'm in a micra state where pain and suffering is capped at $250000. Still we have had some awards >$10mil. Usually involves a child or young adult who requires a lifetime of care because of a medical mishap or a permanently disabling injury to a healthy working adult who can demonstrate sizeable economic damages.

Correct, there is zero cap on an "injured" patient. 10M+ lawsuits are becoming very common actually as per the article I listed before.

 

[bashwell]

Correct, most specialties will be forced into employed positions whereby they make about 30% over a PCP salary taking FAR HIGHER risk.

Don't even know at that point it would be worth better to avoid Primary Care at that point.

Maybe PCP is the way to go if someone likes the work? Not dependent on hospital systems, lower risk, lower stress, etc. Not doing too bad financially. For example "How much do family doctors actually earn? Right after residency?" $250-$275K base salary + productivity bonus for reasonable work-life balance doesn't seem uncommon according to that thread.

 

[DrCommonSense]

Maybe PCP is the way to go if someone likes the work? Not dependent on hospital systems, lower risk, lower stress, etc. Not doing too bad financially. For example "How much do family doctors actually earn? Right after residency?" $250-$275K base salary + productivity bonus for reasonable work-life balance doesn't seem uncommon according to that thread.

Might have to go back to be a PCP or just do the MBA thing. Or even do some low risk specialty like Palliative Care because most of the salaries will be "normalized" around 20% over PCP levels except for MAYBE top level surgical fields.

Even at a 50K premium, Anesthesia isn't worth doing due to risk of the significant assets.