I have no chance of getting into med school. What are my options?

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wizzed101 said:
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PS: stay safe for me.
 
confusedstudentdoctor1018 said:
I graduated from a 4 year university in NY with a very low gpa. 2.4 overall, and 2.11 bio. I am so mad at myself for what has happened over the past 4 years. Sex, drugs, partying, drinking = 2.4 and 2.11. I also got pregnant twice because of these habits which has affected my studying. I never got a shadowing position or any job because of my low gpa. MCATS 490.

My 2.4 and 2.11 were because I retook many classes over. But I was so obsessed with guys and other things that I got really distracted. I actually had a 1.9 before and was put on probation at my school.

I feel like a total loser because my ex-bf is a nurse and my ex-best friend is a nurse (going to grad school soon). I was a total bitch to both of them because I had this egotistical view that doctors are better than nurses. However, they ended up somewhere and are happy. Should I become a nurse? Give up? Go back to school.

ALSO, my parents have no idea of the mess I'm in because I've been photoshopping my test scores and screenshots for the past 4 years. I feel so horrible. I owe about 50,000 in loans. My dad is paying it all off for me. But he probably wont once he finds out I almost failed out of college.

Please help....

PS I got rejected from MANY Caribbean med schools. There is no chance for that either.
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Do people like this even exist?
 
Crayola227 said:
this is ridiculous and so obviously a troll
and even if not, they could read enough on here to figure out their options going forward
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It's so strange that people would write such detailed narratives to ****post on a pre-professional forum
 
Sadly, I don't think this was a troll post. I've known too many people like OP to call troll.
 
Gryffindor20 said:
Sadly, I don't think this was a troll post. I've known too many people like OP to call troll.
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I think dismissing OP as troll is seriously unfair and unwarranted. It seems recently, SDNers developed a bad habit of trollhunting despite having narrow and limited knowledge on what constitutes trolling.

OP's situation is a serious and honest one even though the crimes she committed were bad. She had the courage to disclose her personal events on a public forum and was just asking for advice. And she gets brutally dismissed as a troll because her situation is unrealistic according to SDN standards!

I honestly believe that SDNers should ignore the thread if they find it to be offensive rather than accusing people of trolls and trying to trollhunt. Let the moderators do the trollhunting, because that's part of their job.
 
Lawper said:
I think dismissing OP as troll is seriously unfair and unwarranted. It seems recently, SDNers developed a bad habit of trollhunting despite having narrow and limited knowledge on what constitutes trolling.

OP's situation is a serious and honest one even though the crimes she committed were bad. She had the courage to disclose her personal events on a public forum and was just asking for advice. And she gets brutally dismissed as a troll because her situation is unrealistic according to SDN standards!

I honestly believe that SDNers should ignore the thread if they find it to be offensive rather than accusing people of trolls and trying to trollhunt. Let the moderators do the trollhunting, because that's part of their job.
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I'm not sure if that was directed at me or not, but if you read my post closely you'll see that that was my point. I don't believe OP was trolling. People make stupid choices in real life.
 
Gryffindor20 said:
I'm not sure if that was directed at me or not, but if you read my post closely you'll see that that was my point. I don't believe OP was trolling. People make stupid choices in real life.
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I was agreeing with you 😛 just presented a stronger criticism of the overall negative sentiment in this thread.
 
Have you considered going a post bac program. There are several programs out there that will allow you do go into there post bac program before entering into there med school. Rest assured just because you made some mistakes doesn't mean that your dream is out of the window. Not saying that it's going to be easy, but it is possible.

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Lawper said:
I think dismissing OP as troll is seriously unfair and unwarranted. It seems recently, SDNers developed a bad habit of trollhunting despite having narrow and limited knowledge on what constitutes trolling.

OP's situation is a serious and honest one even though the crimes she committed were bad. She had the courage to disclose her personal events on a public forum and was just asking for advice. And she gets brutally dismissed as a troll because her situation is unrealistic according to SDN standards!

I honestly believe that SDNers should ignore the thread if they find it to be offensive rather than accusing people of trolls and trying to trollhunt. Let the moderators do the trollhunting, because that's part of their job.
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Right, it was super courageous of her to "publicly" post on an anonymous forum..

It actually is our job to point out trolls. That's why there's a "report" button. It alerts the mods that someone is tainting the forum with drivel. And commenting that someone is a troll, in addition to reporting the post, helps prevent other SDNers from wasting hours giving genuine advice to people who very well might not deserve it.

If we weren't a little bit brutal every now and then, people like OP would spend years pursuing a dead-end path. It's better to be honest with people like her, even if it seems kind of cruel. She'll thank us when she doesn't waste her time and money on repeatedly failed application cycles.
 
Look into going to the UK or another country like Australia. The US and Canada are out for you though. If you are serious about med school there is always a way to make it work. Look at your options

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walloobi said:
Right, it was super courageous of her to "publicly" post on an anonymous forum..

It actually is our job to point out trolls. That's why there's a "report" button. It alerts the mods that someone is tainting the forum with drivel. And commenting that someone is a troll, in addition to reporting the post, helps prevent other SDNers from wasting hours giving genuine advice to people who very well might not deserve it.

If we weren't a little bit brutal every now and then, people like OP would spend years pursuing a dead-end path. It's better to be honest with people like her, even if it seems kind of cruel. She'll thank us when she doesn't waste her time and money on repeatedly failed application cycles.
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I really don't think she's a troll. Blunt advice is all fine but baselessly accusing someone for trolling just because they posted something completely unheard of by the SDN community is unnecessary.

And there is nothing wrong in taking such posts seriously and responding honestly. The lurkers who share similar situations with OP but are afraid to post because of the negativity will benefit from the blunt and sincere advice. If the thread is offensive, ignore it. If it's really bad and flammable, report it.

Leave the trollhunting to the mods, since they know what constitutes trolling and are fairly good in routing out and eliminating hidden trolls (i.e. members who we thought were normal but were actually just trolls or banned users).
 
Lawper said:
I really don't think she's a troll. Blunt advice is all fine but baselessly accusing someone for trolling just because they posted something completely unheard of by the SDN community is unnecessary.

And there is nothing wrong in taking such posts seriously and responding honestly. The lurkers who share similar situations with OP but are afraid to post because of the negativity will benefit from the blunt and sincere advice. If the thread is offensive, ignore it. If it's really bad and flammable, report it.

Leave the trollhunting to the mods, since they know what constitutes trolling and are fairly good in routing out and eliminating hidden trolls (i.e. members who we thought were normal but were actually just trolls or banned users).
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I don't think she's a troll either. Never claimed that she was. Just saying that people have the right to warn others that they might be wasting their advice on a troll, if they believe that's the case.
 
This will probably sound cliche AF, but nothing is impossible. First of all, don't listen to all these uptight pre-meds. Not everyone's path to medical school starts with a 3.5+ gpa, 510+ MCAT. Yes, you screwed up badly, and right now and even for the next few years you probably don't stand a chance for getting into med school, and that's the harsh truth, but if you can do some serious reflecting, get a job, face the hurdle of letting your family know whats up and get some help from them financially, and REALLY turn your life around, you could get into at least a carribbean school. IF you can afford it, you could consider going to a community college and aim for a 4.0 gpa while doing a patient-centered job and other extracurricular activities that demonstrate your dedication and skills. A post-bacc is a good option as well. If you have the patience and are willing to spend 5+ years trying to re-establish yourself and get into med school one day, you could even get your RN and be a nurse for a while, spend 1+ years studying your ass off for the MCAT and aim for a score in the 90th+percentile, find people who believe in you and can write you strong LORs, write a stellar personal statement discussing how you overcame setbacks, etc, then pursue med school from there. I'm not an expert, so don't take my word for it, but if you have the resources, money, and intense motivation to really change your life, I believe you can end up being a physician one day if you really want it. Even after everything you've gone through, it seems like you still aren't ready to give up on your dream of becoming a pediatrician, which is a good start in and of itself.
 
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Kevin47 said:
Look into going to the UK or another country like Australia. The US and Canada are out for you though. If you are serious about med school there is always a way to make it work. Look at your options

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But should there always be a way? The med school admissions process is supposed to weed out people who likely won't hack it in med school. Yes, it isn't perfect, so sometimes good applicants get rejected while some who aren't up for it get in. But generally, if your stats are so bad that you don't stand a chance, maybe that's telling you something.
 
Matthew9Thirtyfive said:
But should there always be a way? The med school admissions process is supposed to weed out people who likely won't hack it in med school. Yes, it isn't perfect, so sometimes good applicants get rejected while some who aren't up for it get in. But generally, if your stats are so bad that you don't stand a chance, maybe that's telling you something.
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So. You are saying you would give up after one try? That tells me medicine is not for you and you are not dedicated to that path. The selection process based on gpa and extracurriculars is ancient and not very good at weeding out the candidates. The smart ones will go through but they are not always good doctors.

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trc1946 said:
Have you considered going a post bac program. There are several programs out there that will allow you do go into there post bac program before entering into there med school. Rest assured just because you made some mistakes doesn't mean that your dream is out of the window. Not saying that it's going to be easy, but it is possible.

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Would take more than a post-bac. Completely redo her undergrad more like it.
I agree with you that its not going to be easy and maybe on the "possible" part.
But she's fallen too far for a post-bac. It'll take at least another 3-4 years of intensive courses + work + maturing.
Saying that the medical field in general is out of the question for her is pretty realistic.
 
Kevin47 said:
So. You are saying you would give up after one try? That tells me medicine is not for you and you are not dedicated to that path. The selection process based on gpa and extracurriculars is ancient and not very good at weeding out the candidates. The smart ones will go through but they are not always good doctors.

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This wasn't one try Kevin. This was 4 years, $50,000 dollars, and 2 pregnancies as well as drugs, alcohol, and a high chance of low self-esteem/ depression/family issues. We are giving her realistic options based on what she is asking that she can put into effect immediately, not 4, 5, 10 years down the line.

I do not believe the selection process is ancient. It may be a tad bit biased towards favoring high grades but it does that for a reason- is the applicant ready to take on a medical school course load and do well? Do not assume the "smart ones" who make it through turn out to be grumpy "bad doctors". Some individuals really do have it all.
 
Weirdy said:
This wasn't one try Kevin. This was 4 years, $50,000 dollars, and 2 pregnancies as well as drugs, alcohol, and a high chance of low self-esteem/ depression/family issues. We are giving her realistic options based on what she is asking that she can put into effect immediately, not 4, 5, 10 years down the line.

I do not believe the selection process is ancient. It may be a tad bit biased towards favoring high grades but it does that for a reason- is the applicant ready to take on a medical school course load and do well? Do not assume the "smart ones" who make it through turn out to be grumpy "bad doctors". Some individuals really do have it all.
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Didn't say all the smart ones are bad. Not sure how it works in the US but here in Canada it is pretty much a joy ride once you are in. I also missed the back story a bit. But I still say if it is something you want, and I mean hell - bent nothing will stop you, want then give it a shot. Otherwise take time off, get a job, mature and consider the options.

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ChymeofPassion said:
I wont sugarcoat it, Honestly at a 2.4 and 2.11, and 490 mcat, you no longer have a chance for an MD. You can do grade replacement for DO, but that's a lot of money you'd have to invest, and your 490 on MCAT will ruin you if schools average the MCAT (as most do). Any healthcare profession (nurses included) values responsibility and intelligence. Over four years you haven't done much to exemplify either. Better find a great plan B that doesn't rely much on GPA.
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This isn't really feasible with OP's stats and GPA. She'd basically have to retake 3-4 years of college to salvage that and then kill the MCAT. Something tells me that's not happening anytime soon.

trc1946 said:
Have you considered going a post bac program. There are several programs out there that will allow you do go into there post bac program before entering into there med school. Rest assured just because you made some mistakes doesn't mean that your dream is out of the window. Not saying that it's going to be easy, but it is possible.
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I can guarantee that exactly ZERO of those programs would accept OP. I applied to several of them a few years ago, and most wouldn't even look at an applicant with stats like hers. Her dream may not be out the window if she's willing to apply in 10-15 years after doing a lot of growing up, getting another degree/retaking pre-reqs down the road, and showing that she is truly a different person than she is now. Anything short of that and her dream is very much "out of the window".

Kevin47 said:
Didn't say all the smart ones are bad. Not sure how it works in the US but here in Canada it is pretty much a joy ride once you are in. I also missed the back story a bit. But I still say if it is something you want, and I mean hell - bent nothing will stop you, want then give it a shot. Otherwise take time off, get a job, mature and consider the options.
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HAHAHAHAHAHA. What? Med school and residency is a joy ride? Idk who you've talked to, but they either went to med school 20+ years ago, are absolutely brilliant, or are the worst med students I could imagine. Either that or med school and residency in Canada is a joke, which I somehow doubt.
 
Stagg737 said:
This isn't really feasible with OP's stats and GPA. She'd basically have to retake 3-4 years of college to salvage that and then kill the MCAT. Something tells me that's not happening anytime soon.



I can guarantee that exactly ZERO of those programs would accept OP. I applied to several of them a few years ago, and most wouldn't even look at an applicant with stats like hers. Her dream may not be out the window if she's willing to apply in 10-15 years after doing a lot of growing up, getting another degree/retaking pre-reqs down the road, and showing that she is truly a different person than she is now. Anything short of that and her dream is very much "out of the window".



HAHAHAHAHAHA. What? Med school and residency is a joy ride? Idk who you've talked to, but they either went to med school 20+ years ago, are absolutely brilliant, or are the worst med students I could imagine. Either that or med school and residency in Canada is a joke, which I somehow doubt.
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Okay. At Western university, one of the better schools here, a good chuck of the classes are based on a pass/fail system. Some pof the classes you need a 20% final grade to move forward. And this was said from an md directly. At the hospital I worked in there were man cases of malpractice. In Toronto a few years ago there was a huge case of malpractice where a patient died because of being left on the operating table. For residency, acreage scores and a recommendation from a doctor is enough to get you in a hospital. You still have to work hard in residency and getting one through the proper means is tough. But with a contact it is super easy.

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J Senpai said:
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You can have your meme. I'll keep my class. Thank you.

BTW, the guy in pic is obviously making a mockery of such classic article of clothing.
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Are you laughing now?

I think so too.
 
Wow, okay, this thread has gone to the dogs. OP, in all seriousness, you need to do six things:

1. Take a year to get a job, any job, and learn to work hard, and reflect on your reasons for pursuing a career in medicine. You need to live independently from your parents, because it'll help you grow up a little.

2. If you are still dead set on becoming a physician, then try to enroll in a community college and take a full load of hard science courses to prove that your previous grades were due to laziness and not a low IQ.

3. Print out your original post from this thread and hang it on your bedroom wall so that you will see it every day and remember not to do more stupid stuff.

4. If, at the end of a year of coursework, you have aced everything, start studying for the MCAT. Refer to other threads on SDN to determine an MCAT study plan.

5. Take the MCAT. Do NOT take it until you are pretty darn sure you can kill it (>512).

6. Apply to medical school, if that's what you want. Apply DO and MD. Only apply to MD schools that look kindly on reinvention. I would wait at least four years from now to apply. You had four years of bad behavior/choices in college. Now, you need to offset it with four years of great behavior.

That's my opinion. It won't work if you don't decide to just buckle down and do what you need to do.
 
OP, Medical School is, without a doubt out of the cards. Your next best move is to marry a doctor.
 
I find it strange OP hasn't returned since 8/5. But as I posted before she has way more issues than bad grades and a very low MCAT. She has severe ethical and character issues. She needs to get help for herself before she can even think about anything else. She also needs to stop lying, get a job and grow up. Med School is not a right. It is the reward after years of hard work. To encourage her to continue taking courses and studying for the MCAT is giving false hope. She has to work for this and I don't believe she wants to do that. I think she wants a quick fix so she doesn't have to tell her parents she has been lying and Photoshopping her grades(among other things) for four years. I understand reinvention and that some people really do deserve a second chance but I'm not sure this is the person that this applies to. I agree I don't think OP is a troll. She's just a spoiled little girl who gets bailed out of situations and gets pretty much what she wants all of the time.


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Kevin47 said:
So. You are saying you would give up after one try? That tells me medicine is not for you and you are not dedicated to that path. The selection process based on gpa and extracurriculars is ancient and not very good at weeding out the candidates. The smart ones will go through but they are not always good doctors.

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Read more carefully. I said that if your stats are so abysmal that you essentially stand no chance of being admitted (eg, the OP's 2.11), then you should probably view that as an indication that you wouldn't be able to handle med school. If you truly think that you've grown and are a different person, then I guess go for grade replacement and DO. But it will be several years of GPA repair, and sometimes the maturity/ability just isn't there. Nothing wrong with that.

I think people tend to want something and go at it all in even if it doesn't play to their strengths. Why would you waste your life battling to do something you may be marginally mediocre at when there are other things you are perfectly suited for?

Also, you have to be able to handle med school to be a good doctor. If you can't handle the pre-reqs, you may have a great bedside manner, but you probably still shouldn't be a doctor.
 
candbgirl said:
I find it strange OP hasn't returned since 8/5. But as I posted before she has way more issues than bad grades and a very low MCAT. She has severe ethical and character issues. She needs to get help for herself before she can even think about anything else. She also needs to stop lying, get a job and grow up. Med School is not a right. It is the reward after years of hard work. To encourage her to continue taking courses and studying for the MCAT is giving false hope. She has to work for this and I don't believe she wants to do that. I think she wants a quick fix so she doesn't have to tell her parents she has been lying and Photoshopping her grades(among other things) for four years. I understand reinvention and that some people really do deserve a second chance but I'm not sure this is the person that this applies to. I agree I don't think OP is a troll. She's just a spoiled little girl who gets bailed out of situations and gets pretty much what she wants all of the time.


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You are most certainly correct. Med school is not a right. It is a hard-earned privilege, and right now OP has not earned the privilege. I have family members like OP, people who have been given everything on a silver platter and are therefore clueless as to how things are earned. They seem to be of the Disney mindset that if you wish for something hard enough, your dreams will come true. I like to remind my younger sibling that it's only if you work for something hard enough that your dreams can come true.

But people can change, and people can learn. OP needs to pick herself up by her bootstraps, come clean with her parents, and take whatever consequences are doled out. She needs to stop relying on her parent's resources and instead go out, get a job slinging burgers or washing dishes, and support herself while she figures out what to do with her life.
 
Gryffindor20 said:
Wow, okay, this thread has gone to the dogs. OP, in all seriousness, you need to do six things:

1. Take a year to get a job, any job, and learn to work hard, and reflect on your reasons for pursuing a career in medicine. You need to live independently from your parents, because it'll help you grow up a little.

2. If you are still dead set on becoming a physician, then try to enroll in a community college and take a full load of hard science courses to prove that your previous grades were due to laziness and not a low IQ.

3. Print out your original post from this thread and hang it on your bedroom wall so that you will see it every day and remember not to do more stupid stuff.

4. If, at the end of a year of coursework, you have aced everything, start studying for the MCAT. Refer to other threads on SDN to determine an MCAT study plan.

5. Take the MCAT. Do NOT take it until you are pretty darn sure you can kill it (>512).

6. Apply to medical school, if that's what you want. Apply DO and MD. Only apply to MD schools that look kindly on reinvention. I would wait at least four years from now to apply. You had four years of bad behavior/choices in college. Now, you need to offset it with four years of great behavior.

That's my opinion. It won't work if you don't decide to just buckle down and do what you need to do.
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Are OP's GPA/sGPA really salvageable for MD schools? She has a sub-2.5 GPA from 4 years of coursework despite retakes. It would probably take a fresh degree + many extra courses on top of that to bump the GPA to be around 3.5. Or maybe get a 3.3 and do an SMP (which is another hurdle). Either way, it's practically unrealistic to apply MD even for schools that look on reinvention. DO is really the best route.

I agree with the rest, especially with #1. OP seriously needs a major overhaul in her character.
 
candbgirl said:
I find it strange OP hasn't returned since 8/5. But as I posted before she has way more issues than bad grades and a very low MCAT. She has severe ethical and character issues. She needs to get help for herself before she can even think about anything else. She also needs to stop lying, get a job and grow up. Med School is not a right. It is the reward after years of hard work. To encourage her to continue taking courses and studying for the MCAT is giving false hope. She has to work for this and I don't believe she wants to do that. I think she wants a quick fix so she doesn't have to tell her parents she has been lying and Photoshopping her grades(among other things) for four years. I understand reinvention and that some people really do deserve a second chance but I'm not sure this is the person that this applies to. I agree I don't think OP is a troll. She's just a spoiled little girl who gets bailed out of situations and gets pretty much what she wants all of the time.


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Spoiled little girls have a very special place in my chambers.
 
Lawper said:
Are OP's GPA/sGPA really salvageable for MD schools? She has a sub-2.5 GPA from 4 years of coursework despite retakes. It would probably take a fresh degree + many extra courses on top of that to bump the GPA to be around 3.5. Or maybe get a 3.3 and do an SMP (which is another hurdle). Either way, it's practically unrealistic to apply MD even for schools that look on reinvention. DO is really the best route.

I agree with the rest, especially with #1. OP seriously needs a major overhaul in her character.
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I agree. Even with significant reinvention (>4 years), OP is going to have an uphill battle. That's why I said to apply DO and MD if that time comes. The suggestion to also apply MD was my internal optimist peeking its head out.
 
@Lawper Don't protect the site. The site profits off the concept that it's a medium provider for users who have sincere questions in order to get sincere answers. If the medium isn't quality controlled and minimum measures aren't taken by this site to prevent trolling then individuals calling out troll threads are pointing out the red flags on a site where red flags are meant to be addressed so the applicant can deal with them successfully.

Whether it's vBulletin, Xenforo, or some other site I find it hard to believe that there is a more complicated procedure than using: AdminCP > Settings > Options > User Banning Options. Either that or utilizing a black list containing common free proxy sites and then supplementing that list with banned user IP addresses. The only reason not to do it is because is because restricting the site will reduce whatever profit the site makes from open exposure in the case of endorsements or Google Ad Sense revenue.
 
Gryffindor20 said:
I agree. Even with significant reinvention (>4 years), OP is going to have an uphill battle. That's why I said to apply DO and MD if that time comes. The suggestion to also apply MD was my internal optimist peeking its head out.
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OP could also lay-low in Texas for 10 years and then take advantage of the fresh-start program - realistically though they wouldn't be a physician for upwards of 18 years from now - tall order to put ones life on hold for that long - thats 18 years of income and fulfillment from some other pursuit.
 
Sardinia said:
@Lawper Don't protect the site. The site profits off the concept that it's a medium provider for users who have sincere questions in order to get sincere answers. If the medium isn't quality controlled and minimum measures aren't taken by this site to prevent trolling then individuals calling out troll threads are pointing out the red flags on a site where red flags are meant to be addressed so the applicant can deal with them successfully.

Whether it's vBulletin, Xenforo, or some other site I find it hard to believe that there is a more complicated procedure than using: AdminCP > Settings > Options > User Banning Options. Either that or utilizing a black list containing common free proxy sites and then supplementing that list with banned user IP addresses. The only reason not to do it is because is because restricting the site will reduce whatever profit the site makes from open exposure in the case of endorsements or Google Ad Sense revenue.
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I think preallo is heavily moderated as it is: it has 10 moderators, which is far more than any other forums in SDN. So quality control is maintained pretty well. Of course this is also due to the fact that preallo receives the most traffic (and thus the largest supply of trolls) that seems to be overwhelming, but trolls and spammers are promptly eliminated.

I don't know about the deeper forum mechanics and IP monitoring involved, but I don't think these measures will reduce forum traffic and reducing profits, simply because the advice and guides gathered over the years are what makes the forums popular.

However, I think it's better to still give honest, blunt, serious advice to abnormal situations, like the one presented in this thread so that other members can benefit. Trollhunting doesn't steer members away from responding, and members can decide for themselves whether they should respond without having someone else speak for them.
 
Kevin47 said:
Okay. At Western university, one of the better schools here, a good chuck of the classes are based on a pass/fail system. Some pof the classes you need a 20% final grade to move forward. And this was said from an md directly. At the hospital I worked in there were man cases of malpractice. In Toronto a few years ago there was a huge case of malpractice where a patient died because of being left on the operating table. For residency, acreage scores and a recommendation from a doctor is enough to get you in a hospital. You still have to work hard in residency and getting one through the proper means is tough. But with a contact it is super easy.

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I can see why you said that now.

Its a bit different in the U.S. in terms of completing after you get in. While med schools are still somewhat invested in you after you matriculate, a lot of the work you put in is directly correlated to where you'll end up after you graduate.

I can't say that influence does not go a long way in USMD schools but from your stories, it seems much more difficult to pass and do well at a USMD. Not trying to knock Canadian schools, just agreeing with you that they really are much more different than I know.
 
Kevin47 said:
Okay. At Western university, one of the better schools here, a good chuck of the classes are based on a pass/fail system. Some pof the classes you need a 20% final grade to move forward. And this was said from an md directly. At the hospital I worked in there were man cases of malpractice. In Toronto a few years ago there was a huge case of malpractice where a patient died because of being left on the operating table. For residency, acreage scores and a recommendation from a doctor is enough to get you in a hospital. You still have to work hard in residency and getting one through the proper means is tough. But with a contact it is super easy.
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After reading the bolded I honestly can't take anything else you say seriously. Unless you want to site that fact, there's no way any school would consider 20% a "pass". If an MD told you that, then either you misunderstood or he's talking out his ass. To the underlined, the same holds true in the U.S., but that doesn't mean you'll get into the field you want or into a decent program. The same can be said about contacts anywhere though. If you know the right people you can be pretty mediocre and still get to where you want to go. Fortunately, at the residency level that's not true 99% of the time and you still have to be a decent candidate to get into a strong program even with that contact. You're acting like knowing someone can get you whatever you want and that this occurs frequently in Canada. I'd be willing to be it's far less common than you think, and if it is common then Canada has a far more corrupt medical system than I would have ever expected.

Lawper said:
Are OP's GPA/sGPA really salvageable for MD schools? She has a sub-2.5 GPA from 4 years of coursework despite retakes. It would probably take a fresh degree + many extra courses on top of that to bump the GPA to be around 3.5. Or maybe get a 3.3 and do an SMP (which is another hurdle). Either way, it's practically unrealistic to apply MD even for schools that look on reinvention. DO is really the best route.

I agree with the rest, especially with #1. OP seriously needs a major overhaul in her character.
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I'll re-emphasize this because too many people are still acting like OP actually has a chance at getting into med school. Her best option is to forget med school for the next 10-12 years, grow up, and do something productive with her life. She'd essentially have to re-take college to have enough grade-replacement to have a decent GPA, and every med school would question why she spent 7-8 years getting a bachelor's/post-bacc degree. In other words, she wouldn't get in even with the grade replacement.

OP needs to move on and find some other way to live a fulfilling life. If she still has a burning passion to be a pediatrician in a decade, then she can go back to school and start from scratch. Any further effort to get into med school at this point though would be a waste of her time and her parents' money.
 
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