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A dude writes in to share the rough experiences he had in his time in combat. Folks commiserate with the challenges he's facing now that he's gotten home. But you have to slide in yet another insult in your little grudge against Galo? Low class, man.

Oh lighten up! I did address the post by OnceND. My intention was not solely to swipe at Galo, but I will take the opportunity, especially when he's trying to juxtapose his definition of hell with that of an infantryman's. You have to admit the comparison is silly.

good post AFM4. good advice.
 
Oh lighten up! I did address the post by OnceND. My intention was not solely to swipe at Galo, but I will take the opportunity, especially when he's trying to juxtapose his definition of hell with that of an infantryman's. You have to admit the comparison is silly.


That's the whole point, dude. As you said in your previous post, Galo was talking about his personal hell. How can you have the gall to say what or what isn't one person's worst life experience.

I understand your comments based on your time on the Line side of things when people express their misgivings about the military, but stick to what you can actually back up. When you start calling people out on things that you have no business with, you lose what credibility you might have had.
 
I understand your comments based on your time on the Line side of things when people express their misgivings about the military, but stick to what you can actually back up. When you start calling people out on things that you have no business with, you lose what credibility you might have had.
Back when I was deciding on whether or not to take HPSP, the Military Med forum was a great resource. You had folks that would say that the military med environment was a terrible place to practice medicine, then folks would counter that they were crazy, and that it's actually not such a bad gig.

Back and forth. Sometimes it got heated. You'd expect it to, because folks are talking about what they're passionate about.

But let's not let it get childish. At the end of the day, this forum is made up of folks who are either doctors, training to be doctors, or trying to be training to be doctors. It's also made up of folks who have practiced medicine in the military or considering practicing medicine in the military. Heated discussions are great, but the "tee-hee, you're a *****, wink-wink" sort of crap should be left to pre-allo. Leave the personal online grudge matches for the 19 year olds. We're adults here for crissake.
 
My intention was not solely to swipe at Galo, but I will take the opportunity, especially when he's trying to juxtapose his definition of hell with that of an infantryman's.
The fact that you're even talking about taking swipes at people as being part of your intention when you post, rather than just having discussions, sort of prove my point. There's just no need for it, dude... Leave that to the young 'uns...
 
Hey! I live in New Jersey (Exit 89 on Parkway). Would you be the person to contact me if I had requested more information through the website or whatever? Just curious. :]

The OP hasn't posted since like April. Waiting for information via the website won't get you anywhere, best bet is to contact your nearest general recruiter and ask them to get you in touch with Health Accessions recruiting. If you really want more information though you need look no further than this board.
 
Thank you for your service. The way I'm reading your post, it sounds like you are in the process of applying for med school, is this correct? If so, your commitment to continued service is admirable, but is there a reason that you have to make this particular commitment right now?

You will find many many many fulfilling opportunities to help people in your medical career, especially in medical school and residency training. Committing to the military now is assuming you will feel the same way about things seven or more years from now when you are a fully trained physician. You may find that you have dealt with some of those skeletons by then and now have a somewhat different plan for your life then you did half a decade ago, but now you still have your military commitment.

There are many ways to serve and serve with our soldiers without signing away a good deal of your own personal freedom. For instance, you could specialize in ortho or rehab medicine and commit your practice to serving injured veterans. This would not require signing a service contract and you could still make a great positive impact in many servicemen and women's lives.

Anyway, something to think about.


It is something to think about indeed. I have been accepted to an MD program and I have given it a lot of thought. This is where I stand. I have no issue with giving away any of my personal freedoms, or the money and benefits that go with a other forms of practice. For me the Army has been a good thing. I was a H.S flunk out with a 1.9 GPA and got in a lot of trouble. It wasnt until I got out that it all changed for me. I was only accepted into a college because I was a veteran. Things were never on the plate for me to pick and choose. Now I have that opportunity and it feels pretty good. Where I was at in the Army if there was something that I didnt like and it caused me stress, I changed it. I think that I can do that as a medical officer as well if that is the route that I should choose. I do value your opinion though, as well as Galo's and the others.

Thanks for the perspective and I will take it into consideration
 
It is something to think about indeed. I have been accepted to an MD program and I have given it a lot of thought. This is where I stand. I have no issue with giving away any of my personal freedoms, or the money and benefits that go with a other forms of practice. For me the Army has been a good thing. I was a H.S flunk out with a 1.9 GPA and got in a lot of trouble. It wasnt until I got out that it all changed for me. I was only accepted into a college because I was a veteran. Things were never on the plate for me to pick and choose. Now I have that opportunity and it feels pretty good. Where I was at in the Army if there was something that I didnt like and it caused me stress, I changed it. I think that I can do that as a medical officer as well if that is the route that I should choose. I do value your opinion though, as well as Galo's and the others.

Thanks for the perspective and I will take it into consideration

As a navy flight surgeon (probably easy to guess from the name) who joined based on his father's HPSP experience and the recruiter's promise of good practice environment and, of course, the money, I have to say I regret my decision. Some of the reasons are on this thread already, and all of them are on the forum somewhere. I deployed with the USMC to Iraq, but work at an MTF stateside. My biggest complaint, far more important to me than the lack of choice in residency, is that no one who I don't know personally cares about my satisfaction with my job. Because of that every little thing that could give me job satisfaction (outside of taking good care of active duty Sailors, Marines and Air National Guardsmen ) goes the wrong way. I'm comfortable with finishing my GMO tour out and going to civilian residency. I appreciated the opportunity to take a break from the high-stress and long hours of medical school, internship and residency.

That being said, MilMed is not out there to support the physician in any way. The next two people in my chain of command are nurses (RN's), and don't really have a handle on what it means for a FS/GMO to work with minimal support, they just want me to create more RVU's (look it up, you'll be surprised to find a civilian billing term to be the basis of your annual evaluation, especially since WE DON'T CHARGE FOR OUR SERVICES).
I enjoyed my Marines, but I found out I was going 1 month after the command had identified that I was to go. They could have told me sooner, but didn't bother. They weren't being sneaky, they just didn't care enough to pass the news down. As it was, I barely had time to finish up my business (AHLTA notes, anyone) and take a week off before heading to the not-so-local USMC Base I spent 4 months at (seeing their sick call so the unit FS could show up late and work on transferring commands before the deployment) before deploying to Iraq.
It turns out Iraq was better than my current location, because I could order all the supplies I needed for my clinic. I could order whatever I wanted, no questions asked. Here I can't get a knee immobilizer without writing a prescription and placing a referral so a patient can pick one up on the economy. Sucks if the member is an E-3 living in the barracks without a car.
I got an email this week offering free training in how to do a "Root Cause Analysis." Why? Because in Navy Medicine West, it has been mandated that MTF's will do at least 2 in-depth Root Cause Analyses per quarter, whether needed or not. That kind of bureaucratic thinking pervades MilMed, at least the Navy side, and makes each day worse than it needs to be.
More than enough for now, but those are things you're recruiter will never tell you, but at least he cares about you more than your detailer 🙂
 
I have done some serious thinking and have decided that the active MilMed wont be the best choice for me. It is pretty disheartening after hear the views of NavyFilghtDoc. Anyone have any thoughts on MilMed through the National Guard? I am just curious because I really do need some money to go to school. My NG state says they will put me on active duty for special work (ADSW) for 3 years as an 0-1E while im in medical school and pay my tuition with a 25,000 bonus annually after graduation for the 1 weekend a month thing (My neighbor is the State Adjudent General too, he confirmed). it seems like a good alternative to the issues that others have experienced in the active component.

All views would be appreciated!

Thanks for the help all.
 
I'm trying to decide how to feel right now. I feel a bit bad about disheartening someone, but there's this small, dark place in my soul where I hear a little victory parade.😕
 
I have done some serious thinking and have decided that the active MilMed wont be the best choice for me. It is pretty disheartening after hear the views of NavyFilghtDoc. Anyone have any thoughts on MilMed through the National Guard? I am just curious because I really do need some money to go to school. My NG state says they will put me on active duty for special work (ADSW) for 3 years as an 0-1E while im in medical school and pay my tuition with a 25,000 bonus annually after graduation for the 1 weekend a month thing (My neighbor is the State Adjudent General too, he confirmed). it seems like a good alternative to the issues that others have experienced in the active component.

All views would be appreciated!

Thanks for the help all.

Loans and scholarships.

I'm very serious, spend an afternoon looking around online, then call the VA and ask around for scholarships for veterans attending medical school or advanced education in general. You may find a significant pool of cash waiting for someone to apply for it, and you wouldn't owe anyone anything afterwards.

After that, taking out a boatload of loans sounds like a terrifying prospect, but really it isn't. Here's the thing - I had a 3-yr HPSP, so I still paid for one year of med school as well as some smaller loans to pay for what the stipend didn't cover. It's been two years since I graduated, and I haven't had to make one payment yet - I consolidated everything into one package at 3.5% interest, except most of it hasn't actually accumulated interest since it's been in the 6-month grace period, then internship forbearance, then active duty military deferment. And even if it were accumulating interest, it's basically tracking along at the rate of inflation.

Bottom line, student loans tend to be the best ones out there. I know that it's a significant mental hurdle to get past the big numbers, but look into it.

And one other thing - if I could send myself a small piece of advice when I was looking at the costs of medical school, it would be to go and spend a few bucks and an afternoon with a good financial planner. Seriously. Go find one. Bring a list of your current debts, expenses, a spreadsheet of likely med school costs and some of the likely loan data. Map things out for 5-10 years in the future. So many people (including doctors) go their entire lives without a financial game plan, make mistakes and lose money that they didn't have to and waste a lot of time being frustrated over financial terms they don't quite understand. Don't let this happen to you. Go do this - just having a plan takes a ton of pressure off yourself.

Good luck.
 
I'm trying to decide how to feel right now. I feel a bit bad about disheartening someone, but there's this small, dark place in my soul where I hear a little victory parade.😕


Ahh, its nothing to worry about. I still have the honor of my enlisted service as an infantryman. Nothing can take that honor away from me.

And thanks for the great advice AF! I'm going to go do that as soon as I get my issues in order and find where this VA money is hiding!

You all have been a great help.....
 
I was told that when friends sign up and get into the HPSP based on referring them I would get $2,000 per person. Is this true?
 
I was told that when friends sign up and get into the HPSP based on referring them I would get $2,000 per person. Is this true?
Found this in an old e-mail.

Docupak., Inc. has been authorized by the Navy to hire current participants in the above programs to work as private contractors as Recruiting Assistants (RA). If you wish to participate in the RAP, you must complete an application for Docupak, Inc. at https://navyrap.com. For additional information please contact Docupak,Inc. at [email protected] or call 1-866-535-7631. Recruiting Assistants must be participants in HPSP, FAP, NCP or NADDS.
 
I am in the army and the army one is armyrap.com if no one figured it out.
Looking over the FAQ the following was listed
"Officer nominations are not eligible for payment under ARMY RAP." So does that mean getting other medical students to join for the HPSP doesn't qualify? I would think so because they will be officers.
Also found this "Can commissioned Officers and Warrant Officers be RAs?
No."
Are Reserve enlisted Soldiers in the Army National Guard (ARNG)
or the Army Reserves (USAR) allowed to participate in ARMY
RAP?
"No, Reserve enlisted Status Soldiers are not allowed to
participate as ARMY RAP Recruiting Assistants."
So I don't think this program works because I am an officer, my fellow med students would also be officers, and in school my status is reserve? So I guess triple strikes for this plan.
But it does look like if you were enlisted and active duty and got other people to join as enlisted then you could make some extra dough.
Any additional insight or corrections to my thoughts if I am wrong are welcomed to enlighten the crowd.
 
I'm in the process of trying to make a decision and wanted to get some input on it from others. I've been accepted to both the Army and AF HPSPs and am trying to figure out which is the better route. I'm currently interested in going into gen surgery. (Of course this may change over the course of my med school career.) It seems like the AF is moving more towards a superclinic model with little to no in-patient care. So with its move to more primary based care, do you guys think that I will get better training/work expereince in an Army setting than in the AF?
 
I'm in the process of trying to make a decision and wanted to get some input on it from others. I've been accepted to both the Army and AF HPSPs and am trying to figure out which is the better route. I'm currently interested in going into gen surgery. (Of course this may change over the course of my med school career.) It seems like the AF is moving more towards a superclinic model with little to no in-patient care. So with its move to more primary based care, do you guys think that I will get better training/work expereince in an Army setting than in the AF?

I think you answered your own question.
 
I'm in the process of trying to make a decision and wanted to get some input on it from others. I've been accepted to both the Army and AF HPSPs and am trying to figure out which is the better route. I'm currently interested in going into gen surgery. (Of course this may change over the course of my med school career.) It seems like the AF is moving more towards a superclinic model with little to no in-patient care. So with its move to more primary based care, do you guys think that I will get better training/work expereince in an Army setting than in the AF?

In regard to training, Army has demonstrated a much greater comitment to GME then AF. However, the flip side is that in AF you're much more likely to get a deferrment to do a civilian residency. So if that is something you're interested in, take that into account.

Just as important as residency though is what you'll be doing afterward. Skill atrophy is a concern in the military, and it appears to be significant for some AF gen surgeons that post on this board. Look up some of mitch connie's posts for more info.
 
There is a lot going on here it seems. So I figured I would give my perspective too, why not.

I joined the Army right out of high school in 2000. I Decided I was going to figured out my direction there. I served in the Special Operations Command and jumped into Iraq, and four combat deployments later, I found my direction in life. It was not until I had some intimate experiences with the loss of close friends that I decided to be a doctor. I can state that (as the question was asked if I ever killed anyone in my interview) the loss one experiences in combat is the same regardless of what side of the weapon you are on, part of you still dies inside, at least it was for me.

So in regards to where I will end up, (and in relation to this thread) I feel the need to at least be in the military so that I can recalibrate myself and my past that seems to bear the weight of my agony. It is a personal issue for me to change the the personal mission that I had, helping and not killing. I never "drank the conservative Kool-Aide" that we were ever fighting for freedom, I more or less "rocked the proverbial boat."

In all really, make the decision what fits you all. For me, I have skeletons in my memory that I need to keep at bay through service, even though service created those skeletons in the first place. But more importantly, make an informed decision......its your duty

3-75 Ranger out.......

The things they carried, Ranger, the things they carried.
 
I have a question for the Army Docs that's really just for my own information and my friends who are doing the HPSP.

Quick background: served as an Infantry Officer which included a stint in Afghanistan as a Scout PL and then S5 (BN CMO Officer). I really enjoyed my time on active duty, even the parts that sucked had merit.

What would prevent me from ever going back into uniform again was the way I (and my friends) were/was treated while on the IRR. Without perpetuating a whine-fest, I did (and still do) find it absurd that soldiers who served honorably in combat would be forced back into combat, while a large % of the Army has never deployed.

So, how does the IRR work for military physicians? I've heard too many conflicting things to know what's what.
 
I have a question for the Army Docs that's really just for my own information and my friends who are doing the HPSP.

Quick background: served as an Infantry Officer which included a stint in Afghanistan as a Scout PL and then S5 (BN CMO Officer). I really enjoyed my time on active duty, even the parts that sucked had merit.

What would prevent me from ever going back into uniform again was the way I (and my friends) were/was treated while on the IRR. Without perpetuating a whine-fest, I did (and still do) find it absurd that soldiers who served honorably in combat would be forced back into combat, while a large % of the Army has never deployed.

So, how does the IRR work for military physicians? I've heard too many conflicting things to know what's what.
I'm not aware of any involuntary IRR physician recalls.
 
I'm not aware of any involuntary IRR physician recalls.

How does the IRR apply to HPSP Med Students? I've heard that your residency counts towards your eight year obligation. I've also heard it doesn't.
 
How does the IRR apply to HPSP Med Students? I've heard that your residency counts towards your eight year obligation. I've also heard it doesn't.

Your standard HPSP contract is an 8-year contract; 4 years active (for a four-year scholarship), and 4 years IRR. If you do an active duty residency, then those years spent active as a resident eat into your IRR time owed. If your time in residency, plus active duty pay back is greater than or equal to 8 years, you owe no further IRR.
 
Your standard HPSP contract is an 8-year contract; 4 years active (for a four-year scholarship), and 4 years IRR. If you do an active duty residency, then those years spent active as a resident eat into your IRR time owed. If your time in residency, plus active duty pay back is greater than or equal to 8 years, you owe no further IRR.

Thanks.

I am fairly certain that simply accepting a commission incurs an eight year obligation of some sort, regardless of the source of the commission.

So if you do a civilian residency, you still *technically* owe IRR time?

Not that it's really relevant to the people here, I am just curious.

At any rate, the IRR is much better now under Gates. Under Rumsfeld, it was a disaster.
 
Thanks.

I am fairly certain that simply accepting a commission incurs an eight year obligation of some sort, regardless of the source of the commission.

So if you do a civilian residency, you still *technically* owe IRR time?

Not that it's really relevant to the people here, I am just curious.

Your understanding is correct and it sure as hell is relevant to those of us who did a civilian residency, are now getting out, and have a 4 year IRR commitment. We probably won't be called back, but you never know.
 
Your understanding is correct and it sure as hell is relevant to those of us who did a civilian residency, are now getting out, and have a 4 year IRR commitment. We probably won't be called back, but you never know.

If you get out and do a civilian residency, that time counts as IRR time. So many of us will finish IRR just as they finish residency or soon thereafter.
 
Your understanding is correct and it sure as hell is relevant to those of us who did a civilian residency, are now getting out, and have a 4 year IRR commitment. We probably won't be called back, but you never know.


Probably won't be, but IRR will be among the first to go if there is a medical draft in the future.
 
Your understanding is correct and it sure as hell is relevant to those of us who did a civilian residency, are now getting out, and have a 4 year IRR commitment. We probably won't be called back, but you never know.

Yeah, that was the assumption I made when I signed up in 1997. I believe the words they used were "The IRR exists in case World War III breaks out.". The more pertinent issue is, as long as you are on the hook, they can do whatever they want.

I actually have personal experience with this as I was involuntarily mobilized right before my finals in my second semester of Med School. I requested, and was granted, an exemption. However, the that was more out of consideration to the fact that the deployment would extend me almost a year past my mandatory service obligation (8 year obligation) than the fact that I was in Medical School and that was, as I understand it, due to a lawsuit that was filed by persons who were recalled via the IRR past their 8 year obligation.

The good news is that the IRR has become much more reasonable and fair under Gates. Under Rumsfeld it was a total disaster. Also, as has been pointed out, I don't think physicians are being recalled and if they were it would be as physicians and not to be re classed into some sort of micky mouse civil affairs unit (which is what has happened to most other involuntary mobilized service members).

At any rate, I didn't mean to thread jack. I was just curious if my peers in the HPSP program were being given straight answers.
 
I guess you may be the best person to give me information. Let me preface this my letting you know that I am a 7 year active duty Army vet, so please dispense with the bull***t. I was lied to by my first recruiter, so don't do it to me. I also had several army buddies who had been recruiters, and they told me their modus operandi, so I am not that gullible. I appreciate the fact that you are an NCO, as I was, and that you are army, which is the best branch, as far as I am concerned. So those are two points in your favor.

I am currently in California in my fourth year of a pathology residency, and I have been selected for the hematopathology fellowship here, as well. I was considering reentering the military, but I have a substantial amount of student loan debt. In order for me to consider the military as a viable option, I need to know how much money I would get up front for loan repayment, what rank I would be able at upon reentry, and how much I would get paid per year with a breakdown of base salary, each bonus amount, and other allowances.
 
Greetings all! Like the title says Im a Amedd recruiter and mostly recruit HPSP. I joined this forum to answer questions and gain insight into military medicine and military docs. I am currently stationed in New Jersey and cover most of NJ.(UMDNJ, Rutgers, Seton Hall). Look forward to chatting with all of you!

SSG Clevenger

I guess you may be the best person to give me information. Let me preface this my letting you know that I am a 7 year active duty Army vet, so please dispense with the bull***t. I was lied to by my first recruiter, so don't do it to me. I also had several army buddies who had been recruiters, and they told me their modus operandi, so I am not that gullible. I appreciate the fact that you are an NCO, as I was, and that you are army, which is the best branch, as far as I am concerned. So those are two points in your favor.

I am currently in California in my fourth year of a pathology residency, and I have been selected for the hematopathology fellowship here, as well. I was considering reentering the military, but I have a substantial amount of student loan debt. In order for me to consider the military as a viable option, I need to know how much money I would get up front for loan repayment, what rank I would be able at upon reentry, and how much I would get paid per year with a breakdown of base salary, each bonus amount, and other allowances.
 
I guess you may be the best person to give me information. Let me preface this my letting you know that I am a 7 year active duty Army vet, so please dispense with the bull***t. I was lied to by my first recruiter, so don't do it to me. I also had several army buddies who had been recruiters, and they told me their modus operandi, so I am not that gullible. I appreciate the fact that you are an NCO, as I was, and that you are army, which is the best branch, as far as I am concerned. So those are two points in your favor.

I am currently in California in my fourth year of a pathology residency, and I have been selected for the hematopathology fellowship here, as well. I was considering reentering the military, but I have a substantial amount of student loan debt. In order for me to consider the military as a viable option, I need to know how much money I would get up front for loan repayment, what rank I would be able at upon reentry, and how much I would get paid per year with a breakdown of base salary, each bonus amount, and other allowances.

The good SSG was run out of the building long ago. I doubt he will be responding to your questions...
 
I guess you may be the best person to give me information. Let me preface this my letting you know that I am a 7 year active duty Army vet, so please dispense with the bull***t. I was lied to by my first recruiter, so don't do it to me. I also had several army buddies who had been recruiters, and they told me their modus operandi, so I am not that gullible. I appreciate the fact that you are an NCO, as I was, and that you are army, which is the best branch, as far as I am concerned. So those are two points in your favor.

I am currently in California in my fourth year of a pathology residency, and I have been selected for the hematopathology fellowship here, as well. I was considering reentering the military, but I have a substantial amount of student loan debt. In order for me to consider the military as a viable option, I need to know how much money I would get up front for loan repayment, what rank I would be able at upon reentry, and how much I would get paid per year with a breakdown of base salary, each bonus amount, and other allowances.

Really, the first question you have to ask a recruiter is do they want you?

Pathology has not been a critical specialty and with the demise of AFIP, there has been shrinkage in the number of AD Pathologists.

Assuming they do want you, you could be offered the Heath Professions Loan Repayment Program. This would offer between $40-45K per year of loan repayment for up to 4 years. The money is paid directly to the lending institutions and taxes are taken out prior to payment. Essentially it means about $30K goes towards loans and the rest to taxes. If the balance is less than $40K, they do not give you the whole amount and pay off the loan, so this program will NEVER completely cover loans. Payback for HPLRP is year for year.

If you join and do not take HPLRP, you could opt for a Multi-year Special Pay contract.
2 year MSP - $13K/year
3 year MSP - $20K/year
4 year MSP - $30K/year

For being an Army Pathologist you would also get:

Incentive special pay - $20K/year
Additional special pay - $15K/year
Variable special pay (<5 years post med school) - $416.66/month ($5K/year)
Board Certification pay (<10 years post med school) $209/month ($2500/year)
Base Pay - O3E over 6years - $4948.80/month
Basic Allowance for Subsistance - $223.04/month
Basic Allowance for Housing - depends on duty station
 
Really, the first question you have to ask a recruiter is do they want you?

Pathology has not been a critical specialty and with the demise of AFIP, there has been shrinkage in the number of AD Pathologists.

Assuming they do want you, you could be offered the Heath Professions Loan Repayment Program. This would offer between $40-45K per year of loan repayment for up to 4 years. The money is paid directly to the lending institutions and taxes are taken out prior to payment. Essentially it means about $30K goes towards loans and the rest to taxes. If the balance is less than $40K, they do not give you the whole amount and pay off the loan, so this program will NEVER completely cover loans. Payback for HPLRP is year for year.

If you join and do not take HPLRP, you could opt for a Multi-year Special Pay contract.
2 year MSP - $13K/year
3 year MSP - $20K/year
4 year MSP - $30K/year

For being an Army Pathologist you would also get:

Incentive special pay - $20K/year
Additional special pay - $15K/year
Variable special pay (<5 years post med school) - $416.66/month ($5K/year)
Board Certification pay (<10 years post med school) $209/month ($2500/year)
Base Pay - O3E over 6years - $4948.80/month
Basic Allowance for Subsistance - $223.04/month
Basic Allowance for Housing - depends on duty station

Thanks for the info. I can't seem to get a straight answer from the recruiters. I've spoken to two, and all they did was try to BS me. The first one was in med school, and she tried to get me to do the HPSP program saying that if I didn't get a military pathology residency (at the time I didn't realize that many years they are not filled, although this year they were), that I could definitely get a civilian one. She mentioned nothing about having to get a waiver to defer my obligation. When I asked her about it, she said that they always grant these waivers, but I know better than that. If they need you somewhere else, then that's where you'll go. The military's primary concern is the military, not the individual. Then I spoke to one here in California, who also gave me the run around, and then continued to stalk me when I gave up talking to him.

On to another point, you would actually be surprised at how integral pathology is to a hospital. If a hospital has a surgical unit has to have a pathology department. Virtually all tissues excised, even if it is benign or for a repair, are sent to pathology for examination. We run the labs...ALL the labs. We examine biopsies (some that are common are GI, skin, and even GYN). We examine all the PAP smears for the female servicemembers. There aren't very many diagnoses that doesn't have a pathologist somewhere in the background who had a hand in it. I also worked with one of the pathologists from Madigan Army Medical Center in WA, and he said that in past years they have needed more applicants for the residency than were being filled. Additionally, I am going to be a subspecialist (hematopathologist), and currently there is even an opening for one of those at Madigan. This position has remained unfilled for years because of a lack of one available in the military. So, while pathology is not one of the "critical" wartime specialties, they do need them.

By the way, I would have 5 years of post graduate education and be triple boarded (anatomic pathology, clinical pathology, and hematopathology).

Anyhoo, since my loans are way over 30k/year, this whole thing might be a moot point. I still may not be able to afford going into the military. But we just had an attending from our department who was 1 year out of training get 80,000 for loan repayment from the Navy. That's why I thought that it might be doable. I guess he might have gotten 40k for 2 years of service, or something.
 
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By the way, I would have 5 years of post graduate education and be triple boarded (anatomic pathology, clinical pathology, and hematopathology).

You really need to do your homework by talking to the pathology specialty leaders of the respective branches to see if the military recognizes your areas of subspecialty. The military might classify you as a "pathologist" and you might find yourself relegated to general pathology where your subspecialty skills would be underutilized. This happens all the time. For example, a child psychiatrist is used to treat adults or a surgical subspecialist is used as a general surgeon.
 
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You really need to do your homework by talking to the pathology specialty leaders of the respective branches to see if the military recognizes your areas of subspecialty. The military might classify you as a "pathologist" and you might find yourself relegated to general pathology where your subspecialty skills would be underutilized. This happens all the time. For example, a child psychiatrist is used to treat adults or a surgical subspecialist is used as a general surgeon.

Thanks and good advice which I will look into. That is something that I would like to avoid. I don't mind doing general path, as nowadays, most hospitals require a hematopathologist to do some (supposedly to be more versatile, but they really just want you to cover call), but I would want my primary focus to be heme. That's what I love to do. The rest is just OK.
 
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Hi, my question is: I am currently on Active Duty and I would like to know what do I need to do to apply for the HPSP. What are the requirements for elegibility?

The recruiter hasn't posted on here since he made this thread. I would call your local AMEDD recruiter. If you don't know who that is, call your local recruiter and ask for the AMEDD recruiter.
 
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Quick answer, yes.
 
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You'll notice that SSFT hasn't posted in almost two years.

At current tempo, Guard docs can be called up for 90 days boots-in-sand every two years.
 
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