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BestDoctorEver said:
Many people wrongly equate physicians with money and intelligence...
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I can't think of many other professions in which basically everyone comfortably makes >$150k and is at least of above average intelligence...

Yadster101 said:
real talk...isnt dental school about the same difficulty as med school?
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I sure hope not.. it doesn't make sense for dental students to learn a lot of the stuff we learn.
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seminoma said:
I can't think of many other professions in which basically everyone comfortably makes >$150k and is at least of above average intelligence...
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Are we talking about book smarts here when we refer to intelligence? I know some really ****ing stupid physicians. I've even dated some of them.
 
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fancymylotus said:
Are we talking about book smarts here when we refer to intelligence? I know some really ****ing stupid physicians. I've even dated some of them.
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Well obviously if they were dating you.


Kidding.

Idk, I don't think a distinction needs to be made between intelligence and book smarts for this discussion. In general you need to be reasonably intelligent to get through med school and then not be getting sued constantly for being an idiot and making bad medical decisions.

Edit: Granted I do wonder about a few of my classmates.
 
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seminoma said:
Well obviously if they were dating you.


Kidding.

Idk, I don't think a distinction needs to be made between intelligence and book smarts for this discussion. In general you need to be reasonably intelligent to get through med school and then not be getting sued constantly for being an idiot and making bad medical decisions.

Edit: Granted I do wonder about a few of my classmates.
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Ha, I guess I set myself up for that one, didn't i?

And yeah, I've met a slew of physicians and med students that I seriously wonder about. I'm sure they did well on paper and all but JFC what trainwrecks they were...
 
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fancymylotus said:
Ha, I guess I set myself up for that one, didn't i?

And yeah, I've met a slew of physicians and med students that I seriously wonder about. I'm sure they did well on paper and all but JFC what trainwrecks they were...
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I'd like to think the annual batch of new MDs is more intelligent than the previous batch, but with all this new emphasis on humanism, feelings, etc in med school applications, I'm not sure that's going to be the case 5-6 years from now. Not that you can't be super smart and also very personable, but those handful of super smart people with no interpersonal skills are going to have a much harder time in the future.
 
seminoma said:
I'd like to think the annual batch of new MDs is more intelligent than the previous batch, but with all this new emphasis on humanism, feelings, etc in med school applications, I'm not sure that's going to be the case 5-6 years from now. Not that you can't be super smart and also very personable, but those handful of super smart people with no interpersonal skills are going to have a much harder time in the future.
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Pfffffft
Speak for yourself
I'm super smart AND super personable! And super awesome too.


jk
 
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fancymylotus said:
Are we talking about book smarts here when we refer to intelligence? I know some really ****ing stupid physicians. I've even dated some of them.
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Just from personal experience, I can say that while I know all my classmates are intelligent (strictly academically), many of them come off as complete imbeciles. I don't know if that's social ******ation (forgive my political incorrectness ;)) or lack of common knowledge. What I'm saying is if I didn't know them or saw them in class or talked to them about academic subjects, I'd honestly think the majority of my med school peers are *****s.
 
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drdang92 said:
It is. My cousin is currently attending a dental school where the first 2 years of didactic courses are with the medical students. PLUS they have lab every day which he often claims is more stressful than his actual science classes.
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Taking the same classes doesn't mean the expectations are the same or the examinations
 
Yadster101 said:
real talk...isnt dental school about the same difficulty as med school?
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In my school, medical students who fail their first semester remediate and repeat those classes with the dental students the next semester and take the dental student tests. They say the dental classes cover the same information as the medical classes, but the tests are way easier. They then have to repeat the classes again the following fall with the new MS1s.
 
seminoma said:
I have several facebook friends who are doing non-med graduate programs at a medical school and their facebook education says "studying medicine at SOM". I don't understand why someone would want to misrepresent themself like that. I mean if I'm in med tech school and I tell all my friends/family that I'm in "med school", won't I ultimately be pretty embarrassed 5 years from now when I'm at a family event and someone introduces me as "this is my niece/nephew the doctor".. and then I have to explain that I'm a med tech and not a doctor? I also don't get why people can't just be proud of what they are doing. I get absolutely no satisfaction out of telling people or letting people know that I'm a med student. Like I said before, if someone asks "what do you do?" I say "I'm still in school". Sometimes if they ask "school for what?" I'll say "I'm in med school", but if I know they aren't familiar with med school or other healthcare programs I tell them "Nothing in particular, I'm still weighing my options". And that's not really a lie because med school is a fairly non-specific program when you consider all the different med specialties, academics/non-academic, etc.
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Maybe the SOM is offering the graduate program. A PhD in Neurobiology from Harvard Medical School deserves to put that on their resume.
 
Darth Doc said:
In my school, medical students who fail their first semester remediate and repeat those classes with the dental students the next semester and take the dental student tests. They say the dental classes cover the same information as the medical classes, but the tests are way easier. They then have to repeat the classes again the following fall with the new MS1s.
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wait so they have to retake the class twice
 
PL198 said:
wait so they have to retake the class twice
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Yup. If you fail the semester. If you fail only one of the two main courses, you just retake that one course over the summer.
 
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fancymylotus said:
ie- I donated money to a charity they were fundraising for, the website where you donate has an option to make your name "anonymous" so no one knows who donated what, and he assumed I was the highest donor(I was) but with no confirmation of that, at a fundraising event no less, loudly told anyone who would listen that "it must be nice to do nothing and make so much money like her!"

that's the kind of stuff that bugs me. and another reason I don't tell anyone what I do anymore
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This is the kind of stuff doctors/dentists/etc should stand up for themselves about otherwise people will continue to do it. If they want to embarass you in public, double down and embarrass them back.

My response would be, "Excuse me? You realize I gave up almost the entirety of my twenties to be in the position I am in. To insinuate that I did not and do not work hard cheapens my sacrifice. You should be ashamed of yourself and perhaps you should have worked harder."
 
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Darth Doc said:
In my school, medical students who fail their first semester remediate and repeat those classes with the dental students the next semester and take the dental student tests. They say the dental classes cover the same information as the medical classes, but the tests are way easier. They then have to repeat the classes again the following fall with the new MS1s.
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That sounds absolutely awful. Do they end up having to pay med school tuition for all three semesters? Can they opt out of taking the dental student classes and just wait until next fall to start up with the new M1s?

thepoopologist said:
Maybe the SOM is offering the graduate program. A PhD in Neurobiology from Harvard Medical School deserves to put that on their resume.
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You're exactly right that the SOM is offering the grad program (not doctoral program, in the case of my fb friends), but see below.

Psai said:
And that's not "studying medicine"
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The even better ones are when they completed a MPH or something (as a non-med student, but still through the SOM) and then update their fb to "Graduated from SOM".
 
ZuluHotel said:
Not sure it's entirely wrongly... it is a distribution so sure there are some stupid docs (like this bozo) and some docs who aren't reimbursed well. There is a wide range of overlap with other professions. But for the most part, physicians do pretty well on the distribution of intelligence and wealth. Doctors and surgeons top the list of average wages (BLS) and IQ (fig, pdf) across occupations.
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I won't buy that med students and physicians IQ in general is 2 stdv above average than the general population...
 
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Psai said:
Sounds like you haven't met much of the general population
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:rolleyes:Probably! But 2 stdv is extremely high... I would agree that most of my classmates are 1 stdv above average. Then again, I am at a low tier school... Things might be different at the top 20.
 
Instatewaiter said:
This is the kind of stuff doctors/dentists/etc should stand up for themselves about otherwise people will continue to do it. If they want to embarass you in public, double down and embarrass them back.

My response would be, "Excuse me? You realize I gave up almost the entirety of my twenties to be in the position I am in. To insinuate that I did not and do not work hard cheapens my sacrifice. You should be ashamed of yourself and perhaps you should have worked harder."
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I would pay money to see this kind of smackdown!
 
Instatewaiter said:
This is the kind of stuff doctors/dentists/etc should stand up for themselves about otherwise people will continue to do it. If they want to embarass you in public, double down and embarrass them back.

My response would be, "Excuse me? You realize I gave up almost the entirety of my twenties to be in the position I am in. To insinuate that I did not and do not work hard cheapens my sacrifice. You should be ashamed of yourself and perhaps you should have worked harder."
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I would have (verbally) ripped him to shreds, because you know, all of us New York girls are bitches at baseline, but given that we were at a charity event, I was trying really hard to be civil ><
 
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BestDoctorEver said:
:rolleyes:Probably! But 2 stdv is extremely high... I would agree that most of my classmates are 1 stdv above average. Then again, I am at a low tier school... Things might be different at the top 20.
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I agree 2 std dev above average would be really high. The standard deviation for the IQ scale is 15, though I can see how you might assume it was 10 from the lines on that graph. That study puts the median IQ for MDs at ~120 which is 1.33 std dev above average.
 
ZuluHotel said:
I agree 2 std dev above average would be really high. The standard deviation for the IQ scale is 15, though I can see how you might assume it was 10 from the lines on that graph. That study puts the median IQ for MDs at ~120 which is 1.33 std dev above average.
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It's really only 120 for physicians? Honestly I'm surprised it isn't higher than that...
 
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Stagg737 said:
It's really only 120 for physicians? Honestly I'm surprised it isn't higher than that...
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Yeah I guess IQ of 120 doesn't sound that high but it is the 91st percentile. There's close to a million practicing physicians in the US so they can't all be geniuses. Medicine seems to attract more of the "solidly intelligent, hard working, and generally colors-within-the-lines" type people than the "mega IQ true genius" types anyway.
 
Mad Jack said:
But mine is. That isn't an opinion, it's just a fact.
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Fact.

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Me: I'm going to be a psychiatrist.

Them: Nevermind.
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:rofl:

BestDoctorEver said:
I won't buy that med students and physicians IQ in general is 2 stdv above average than the general population...
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I do. Seriously have you met the general population?

Honestly I really hate telling people I'm a medical student, not because I'm ashamed of myself or anything, but the followup questions suck, I tend to just say "I'm going to school to be a doctor" and try to leave it at that. And it drives me up the wall when people misrepresent themselves - mr. tp has an aunt (I refuse to claim her, we aren't on speaking terms) who is a rad tech that calls herself a radiologist. NOPE
 
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I definitely don't think dentistry puts me at the upper echelon of society or anywhere near as prestigious as medicine. But if someone ask me what I do, I just say that I'm in grad school. You guys have it pretty good in terms getting interrogated by other people. At least you guys don't have to deal with, "Oh...dental school...could you not get into medical school?" or "Oh, I heard you guys have the highest suicide rate!" or "I hate my dentist." On second thought, I don't think anyone is intimidated by dental students. For the most part, we're really not that smart; just hard-working.
Yadster101 said:
real talk...isnt dental school about the same difficulty as med school?
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No you guys study a lot harder than us. Your tests are harder. You take more tests. Your tests cover much greater detail and require problem solving whereas we just regurgitate for the exam. But we have a bunch of practical competencies that we have to stress about. While you guys are studying all weekend, some of us buy $40 worth of fake simulation teeth and practice on them for 10 hours/day. An extra 2 degrees of taper with a bur could fail us on a practical. A difference of 0.2 mm could also fail us or give us an ideal preparation. All of my exams at my school are no harder than what it was in college but I just have less time in the day to study.
 
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Dental school is of similar rigor but different. It's the only "doctorate" that I consider to be legitimate. We might study harder in medical school but we definitely aren't ready for practice when we finish school
 
We are talking about once they are in... Numbers mean nothing to me over a certain point; they change over time and depend heavily on race. Not to mention prestige - if pod was a medical specialty via residency after the MD/DO degree I bet you it would be just like any other surgical specialty competition wise.

I am talking about actual education here. I would say I put pod, dent, and med education close together - all hard but obviously different. The pods I have worked with in the past have all been at the intelligence and work ethic levels of med students and docs I know.
 
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Another thing happened at a grocery store yesterday while I was wearing my class t-shirt..

Cashier: oh, you're in medical school? I have a nephew who is in medical school; he's going to be a chiropractor

Me: I'm not in witch doctor school, I'm in real doctor school.
 
acceptmeplease said:
Another thing happened at a grocery store yesterday while I was wearing my class t-shirt..

Cashier: oh, you're in medical school? I have a nephew who is in medical school; he's going to be a chiropractor

Me: I'm not in witch doctor school, I'm in real doctor school.
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Don't do that man, that just looks bad
 
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Psai said:
Don't do that man, that just looks bad
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A local chiropractor has a radio segment where he claims that patients do not need medicine for GERD or hiatal hernia because he can cure both with one stomach massage. He specifically said GI specialists are just making money off of nexium.

I definitely don't feel bad about saying it.
 
acceptmeplease said:
Another thing happened at a grocery store yesterday while I was wearing my class t-shirt..

Cashier: oh, you're in medical school? I have a nephew who is in medical school; he's going to be a chiropractor

Me: I'm not in witch doctor school, I'm in real doctor school.
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That is why I don't wear my class t-shirt anymore... I wore it once thinking some people would have no idea what 'MD 2018' means and I still had a few who asked me where I am attending med school; others asked me what that means...
 
acceptmeplease said:
A local chiropractor has a radio segment where he claims that patients do not need medicine for GERD or hiatal hernia because he can cure both with one stomach massage. He specifically said GI specialists are just making money off of nexium.

I definitely don't feel bad about saying it.
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I once heard from a chiro patient of mine that they needed to put themselves into a trance state in order to let their kidneys metabolize the septocaine I was going to use...

then again I have another chiro pt who is ridiculously hot and fun to chat with, so I guess the looney tune one is balanced out by the hot one?
 
If I could afford it I would eat dozens of oysters in one sitting. Like maybe a hundred or more.
 
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Nasrudin said:
If I could afford it I would eat dozens of oysters in one sitting. Like maybe a hundred or more.
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Fish- (bleecker and jones)
Mermaid Inn-(87 and Amsterdam)

sometimes I go by myself and inhale like 30$ worth of dollar oysters while chatting with the bartenders
 
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Psai said:
Well you are at a do school
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Say what you will, but the pods are some of the coolest people here. Doesn't hurt either that most of the podiatrists back in my home town were pulling in ~300k a year working M-F 9-5. Not a bad way to make a living.
 
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kirbymiester said:
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? There's a difference between raining on someone's parade by telling them that their relative isn't something to be proud of and telling someone that taking the same classes as some dos doesn't make them equivalent to mds
 
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