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I think that dental school is of similar rigor

At my institution the dental students take a couple of the first year classes with us, except we are graded pass/fail while they get letter grades on a curve. Plus they have a bunch of tooth sculpting classes I don't envy. At least up to this point (halfway through MS1), the dentists might have us beat.
 
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At my institution the dental students take a couple of the first year classes with us, except we are graded pass/fail while they get letter grades on a curve. Plus they have a bunch of tooth sculpting classes I don't envy. At least up to this point (halfway through MS1), the dentists might have us beat.

Yeah their school has elements of suckage that we don't deal with but it gets easier for them while for us it gets harder. Also their boards are now pass/fail. Finally, they start making bank right away without having to toil for another 4 years or so
 
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When you meet new people they often ask, "so what do you do?" I've stopped telling people I meet that I study medicine. Most people are cool but every now and then you get someone who then proceeds to try and one up you by telling you all the things they've accomplished or how medicine is so much easier than getting a PhD in some art/social science field. It's kinda ridiculous.

Next time someone I've met asks me so what do you do... I'm going to say I'm medical assistant or that I work in HR.

Ugh now I don't even want to go out with these people anymore.

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Yeah their school has elements of suckage that we don't deal with but it gets easier for them while for us it gets harder. Also their boards are now pass/fail. Finally, they start making bank right away without having to toil for another 4 years or so

The $$ is pretty good...or something. I feel underpaid
 
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Yea it's really weird to see how intimidated people are by med students/doctors. Then again, most of the population barely got out of HS. Also nurses, pharmacist, dentist, all like to pretend their degree is as rigorous as getting an MD but they know better.
My dental friends take the same basic science courses. Physiology is Physiology. They do have tooth lab work. They also know that they're almost done and can immediately start working independently if they want to.

None of them are jealous of physicians. If anything they laugh at the amount of schooling and training, and how we bent over to support Obamacare.
 
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My dental friends take the same basic science courses. Physiology is Physiology. They do have tooth lab work. They also know that they're almost done and can immediately start working independently if they want to.

None of them are jealous of physicians. If anything they laugh at the amount of schooling and training, and how we bent over to support Obamacare.

Highly doubt the bolded. Physician still make more money, most dentist will top out around 200k, most don't make that much. Most physicians are 200k plus, in any moderate specialty EM, Anes, rads you can easily make 300-500k. If dentist want to make anywhere near that money the have to do a residency too. Then there is the fact a lot of people don't even see dentist as real doctors.
 
Oh yeah, and given the historical trend of blue, red, blue, red, the next president will probably be republican and dismantle the ACA accordingly. I am definitely not republican, and I think Obama is 10 times the president Bush was, but politicians have no business trying to "fix" healthcare they don't know a damn thing about it. I'm honestly glad for the red- blue trend, it keeps things in balance, because there is a such thing as too liberal ( socialist state where handouts are rampant), and too conservative ( the rich mercilessly beat down the poor and uneducated).
 
Highly doubt the bolded. Physician still make more money, most dentist will top out around 200k, most don't make that much. Most physicians are 200k plus, in any moderate specialty EM, Anes, rads you can easily make 300-500k. If dentist want to make anywhere near that money the have to do a residency too. Then there is the fact a lot of people don't even see dentist as real doctors.

I know a lot of doctors who are somewhat envious of dentists, not the other way around. It's a good lifestyle, instant gratification of fixing teeth and making patients better, and much less training. 150-200k is awesome for 4 yrs of post-college training. It's dominated by private practice (which most enjoy for the autonomy), whereas autonomy in medicine is being eaten up by hospitals and insurance companies run by CEOs making $30mil. Lots of specializations through short residencies which increases pay. You've got the option of pursuing surgery through OMFS residency, which is 6 yrs (same as ortho or ent+fellowship and shorter than plastics+fellowship). You can take home 500k as a partner in a oral surgery practice. Not sure why I didn't seriously consider dentistry as a career...
 
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Highly doubt the bolded. Physician still make more money, most dentist will top out around 200k, most don't make that much. Most physicians are 200k plus, in any moderate specialty EM, Anes, rads you can easily make 300-500k. If dentist want to make anywhere near that money the have to do a residency too. Then there is the fact a lot of people don't even see dentist as real doctors.

Money isn't everything, and many physicians are envious of the lifestyle.

The people who don't view dentists as "real doctors" are probably the same people who think less of DOs.
 
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Highly doubt the bolded. Physician still make more money, most dentist will top out around 200k, most don't make that much. Most physicians are 200k plus, in any moderate specialty EM, Anes, rads you can easily make 300-500k. If dentist want to make anywhere near that money the have to do a residency too. Then there is the fact a lot of people don't even see dentist as real doctors.
Oh boy!
 
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Oh yeah, and given the historical trend of blue, red, blue, red, the next president will probably be republican and dismantle the ACA accordingly. I am definitely not republican, and I think Obama is 10 times the president Bush was, but politicians have no business trying to "fix" healthcare they don't know a damn thing about it. I'm honestly glad for the red- blue trend, it keeps things in balance, because there is a such thing as too liberal ( socialist state where handouts are rampant), and too conservative ( the rich mercilessly beat down the poor and uneducated).

Wanna name any statistical category where Obama is 10 times the president of Bush?
 
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Oh yeah, and given the historical trend of blue, red, blue, red, the next president will probably be republican and dismantle the ACA accordingly. I am definitely not republican, and I think Obama is 10 times the president Bush was, but politicians have no business trying to "fix" healthcare they don't know a damn thing about it. I'm honestly glad for the red- blue trend, it keeps things in balance, because there is a such thing as too liberal ( socialist state where handouts are rampant), and too conservative ( the rich mercilessly beat down the poor and uneducated).
Most people don't want to vote for democrats, but when you look at the other side, you say to yourself these people are even crazier...
 
Highly doubt the bolded. Physician still make more money, most dentist will top out around 200k, most don't make that much. Most physicians are 200k plus, in any moderate specialty EM, Anes, rads you can easily make 300-500k. If dentist want to make anywhere near that money the have to do a residency too. Then there is the fact a lot of people don't even see dentist as real doctors.


I will gladly take the "I'm not a real doctor" stereotype, along with my lifestyle and job security, over having had to drop out of med school bc I couldn't handle the end of life stuff. More power to you guys, but I don't feel envious nor do I expect any envy.
 
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No president should be compared to Bush...

Oh okay. That really contributes to discussion.

Whether or not you like Bush, Obama has been by far the worse between the two.
 
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Obama is the worst, and @EMDO2018 you really need to stop waving your victim card around. It's getting old. Stop derailing threads with it.
As much as I hate both parties, but anyone who thinks they can bring democracy in some medieval place in the middle east have an empty skull...
 
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Oh okay. That really contributes to discussion.

Whether or not you like Bush, Obama has been by far the worse between the two.

So, do you also think the sky is green??
 
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The people who don't view dentists as "real doctors" are probably the same people who think less of DOs.
I think just about everyone considers a dentist to be a dentist, and a medical doctor to be a medical doctor. I don't understand this desire to conflate the two. I've got great respect for dentists, and would certainly advise my kids to consider it.
 
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I think just about everyone considers a dentist to be a dentist, and a medical doctor to be a medical doctor. I don't understand this desire to conflate the two. I've got great respect for dentists, and would certainly advise my kids to consider it.

I'm not disagreeing with you. I pretty much just compared two ignorant situations.

I always address my dentist as "Doctor" and have immense respect for the field...cause I can't handle teeth and breath.
 
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You must love a national debt that has increased almost as much as racial tensions.
Not to mention an anemic economy and a middle east overrun by ISIS. Although I do appreciate that we at least haven't invaded any additional countries recently. Bush might have been a good president if not for the disastrous Iraq invasion.
 
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I feel awkward saying I'm in medical school just because I don't think I'm that special compared to someone else.
 
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Oh yeah, and given the historical trend of blue, red, blue, red, the next president will probably be republican and dismantle the ACA accordingly. I am definitely not republican, and I think Obama is 10 times the president Bush was, but politicians have no business trying to "fix" healthcare they don't know a damn thing about it. I'm honestly glad for the red- blue trend, it keeps things in balance, because there is a such thing as too liberal ( socialist state where handouts are rampant), and too conservative ( the rich mercilessly beat down the poor and uneducated).
Try and elaborate on that. Bush was a good president, not great, but good. Obama, however, is a disgrace to this country and if our founding fathers saw that he was the president (in your response refrain from making this point racial) they would roll over in their graves. He has destroyed this country, the economy, and ruined its great reputation.

Now, back to watching the Super Bowl.
 
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When you meet new people they often ask, "so what do you do?" I've stopped telling people I meet that I study medicine. Most people are cool but every now and then you get someone who then proceeds to try and one up you by telling you all the things they've accomplished or how medicine is so much easier than getting a PhD in some art/social science field. It's kinda ridiculous.

Next time someone I've met asks me so what do you do... I'm going to say I'm medical assistant or that I work in HR.

Ugh now I don't even want to go out with these people anymore.

/rant

I just say I'm still in school. If they ask what for, then I tell them, but otherwise I don't mention it. There's no reason to lie and say I'm anything other than what I am.

So many people in my class (and I'm sure this is true everywhere) are so quick to refer to themselves as "medical student" as if it's some crowning achievement. It annoys me, but I'm obviously in the minority. Might as well go on a mini rant here. Another thing that drives me crazy is when people preface their questions (in lecture) with stuff like:

"As medical students..."
"As future physicians..."
"As a student physician..."

Money isn't everything, and many physicians are envious of the lifestyle.

The people who don't view dentists as "real doctors" are probably the same people who think less of DOs.

In many circles "real doctor" means "medical doctor". As such, dentists, PhDs, DNPs, PharmDs, etc are not "real doctors". Furthermore, if dentists are "real doctors", then so are PhDs, DNPs, PharmDs, etc by virtue of their doctorate degree.

I tend to agree that all the other doctorate degrees are not "real doctors" primarily because when I use the word "doctor" I am talking about a physician.. If I'm talking about a dentist I say "dentist". Saying all those other professions aren't "real doctors" is not meant to denigrate them.. it's just that the colloquial use of doctor implies physician/medical doctor.

I'm glad there are people out there who want to be dentists. I would never want to root around in someone's mouth just to make a living, just like I'm sure those dentists wouldn't want to deal with the problems unique to medical practice.
 
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Obama current approval rating ~50%

Bush approval rating when he left office~22%, I guess even half of his own party hated him.
 
Obama current approval rating ~50%

Bush approval rating when he left office~22%, I guess even half of his own party hated him.
Lincoln had a 14% approval rating during his presidency, I'm sure you agree he was a good president.

Reagan, also one of our greatest presidents, once had a 35% approval rating.

Approval ratings don't reflect how well a president is doing. They show what a certain group of people, often politically skewed, think.

Besides if people were dumb enough to elect NObama twice, I'm not surprised they are still that stupid.
 
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Try and elaborate on that. Bush was a good president, not great, but good. Obama, however, is a disgrace to this country and if our founding fathers saw that he was the president (in your response refrain from making this point racial) they would roll over in their graves. He has destroyed this country, the economy, and ruined its great reputation.

Now, back to watching the Super Bowl.

Our founding fathers would've owned Obama and his lovely wife and children. So there's that.

The way the Right makes love to pornographically distorted images of long dead land speculators who didn't want each other ruling the rest of them has always amused me.
 
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Really? You're lucky then. A lot of the people I meet assume I'm going to be some sort of assistant, or they try to one-up me.

Another common thing for me is people think I go to the MD school an hour away, even though the DO school I go to is local, has been around several years longer, and is 4x the size.
I have had people ask if I am going to be a nurse. I'll just say no, I'm becoming a physician and hopefully a surgeon.

And the MD-DO thing sounds pretty fair homie, I wouldn't sweat it. Many people don't understand what a DO is, even if there is a DO school nearby(there is one near me so I know it happens).
 
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Our founding fathers would've owned Obama and his lovely wife and children. So there's that.

The way the Right makes love to pornographically distorted images of long dead land speculators who didn't want each other ruling the rest of them has always amused me.
I specifically said don't bring up the issue of Obama's race as that defeats the purpose of my point. If you think Obama is a good president then I don't know what to say. I dare you to try and prove Obama is a good president, hell, just try to prove he's better than Bush. I'm just saying, you won't.
 
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I specifically said don't bring up the issue of Obama's race as that defeats the purpose of my point. If you think Obama is a good president then I don't know what to say. I dare you to try and prove Obama is a good president, hell, just try to prove he's better than Bush. I'm just saying, you won't.

I'm not into politics, but Obama makes a March Madness bracket.. I don't think Bush did that. So Obama > Bush imo.
 
I specifically said don't bring up the issue of Obama's race as that defeats the purpose of my point. If you think Obama is a good president then I don't know what to say. I dare you to try and prove Obama is a good president, hell, just try to prove he's better than Bush. I'm just saying, you won't.

I don't even know what being a good president means. Not blowing us all up. Keeping this fake economy going forward on credit so we don't have to live like peasants, until we do, when other governments stop buying our debt. Seems like most manage to do that. They answer to various post-industrial complexes and keep things moving along.

I never got excited about Obama, much to the consternation and wariness of my largely African American constituency at the time. I arrived in DC during the honeymoon of Obama's soaring election rhetoric. I don't think Bush, really was that different from Obama. It's pretty hard to see any change in course from Reagan forward.

So no, I don't understand what the hell you're talking about. You and all the other cheer leaders picking a side and a TV channel to rally your team. It's all bull**** to me.
 
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I don't even know what being a good president means. Not blowing us all up. Keeping this fake economy going forward on credit so we don't have to live like peasants, until we do, when other governments stop buying our debt. Seems like most manage to do that. They answer to various post-industrial complexes and keep things moving along.

I never got excited about Obama, much to the consternation and wariness of my largely African American constituency at the time. I arrived in DC during the honeymoon of Obama's soaring election rhetoric. I don't think Bush, really was that different from Obama. It's pretty hard to see any change in course from Reagan forward.

So no, I don't understand what the hell you're talking about. You and all the other cheer leaders picking a side and a TV channel to rally your team. It's all bull**** to me.
It's not about cheerleading and picking a side, it's about giving a damn about your country. This is the greatest country in the world, but we have a buch of communists and idiots trying to destroy it. We watch ISIS decapitate all its prisoners, Russia try to recreate the Soviet Union, Hamas try to wipe Israel off the face of the Earth. And while all that is happening, we have a compulsive liar in the White House who sits on his pansy-ass.

People don't have pride in this country anymore. All you here is anti-American and anti-capitalist propaganda on the news. People piss on conservatives and traditionalists and people who believe in God. So instead of becoming a hippie and joining the liberal bandwagon, I decide to give a crap about my country. So it's not about picking sides and rallying for a party, it's about caring about yourself, others and your country.
 
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It's not about cheerleading and picking a side, it's about giving a damn about your country. This is the greatest country in the world, but we have a buch of communists and idiots trying to destroy it. We watch ISIS decapitate all its prisoners, Russia try to recreate the Soviet Union, Hamas try to wipe Israel off the face of the Earth. And while all that is happening, we have a compulsive liar in the White House who sits on his pansy-ass.

People don't have pride in this country anymore. All you here is anti-American and anti-capitalist propaganda on the news. People piss on conservatives and traditionalists and people who believe in God. So instead of becoming a hippie and joining the liberal bandwagon, I decide to give a crap about my country. So it's not about picking sides and rallying for a party, it's about caring about yourself, others and your country.


You've been brain washed son.
 
Not to mention an anemic economy and a middle east overrun by ISIS. Although I do appreciate that we at least haven't invaded any additional countries recently. Bush might have been a good president if not for the disastrous Iraq invasion.
Do you think ISIS would be there in we left Saddam Hussein alone? Like I said I hate both parties are ****ty, but I like to approach these issue analytically since I voted for (2012) and against (2008) Obama... The national debt is high because we had a recession, two wars, tax cuts, new department such as Homeland Security (what the heck is that)... Anyway, both parties are suck on deficit.
 
Look at these stuff objectively... Don't look at it as a republican or democrat.

Considering I am neither, I have no problem doing that.

I'm not a cheerleader for Bush. I'm just waiting for that genius to back up his statement and he can't.
 
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Highly doubt the bolded. Physician still make more money, most dentist will top out around 200k, most don't make that much. Most physicians are 200k plus, in any moderate specialty EM, Anes, rads you can easily make 300-500k. If dentist want to make anywhere near that money the have to do a residency too. Then there is the fact a lot of people don't even see dentist as real doctors.
Dentists could care less if u think they are "real doctors". They're laughing all the way to the bank.

Dental residencies are 1-2 years. Big deal. They dont work the hours of med residents.

Ask your avg. Primary care doc if they would take the job security, lifestyle, $/hr. worked that a general dentist has.
 
Oh yeah, and given the historical trend of blue, red, blue, red, the next president will probably be republican and dismantle the ACA accordingly. I am definitely not republican, and I think Obama is 10 times the president Bush was, but politicians have no business trying to "fix" healthcare they don't know a damn thing about it. I'm honestly glad for the red- blue trend, it keeps things in balance, because there is a such thing as too liberal ( socialist state where handouts are rampant), and too conservative ( the rich mercilessly beat down the poor and uneducated).
Once entitlement programs are passed, they are almost never rescinded. I also don't believe a Republican will get the Presidency in 2016. It will be Hillary Clinton.
 
It's not about cheerleading and picking a side, it's about giving a damn about your country. This is the greatest country in the world, but we have a buch of communists and idiots trying to destroy it. We watch ISIS decapitate all its prisoners, Russia try to recreate the Soviet Union, Hamas try to wipe Israel off the face of the Earth. And while all that is happening, we have a compulsive liar in the White House who sits on his pansy-ass.

People don't have pride in this country anymore. All you here is anti-American and anti-capitalist propaganda on the news. People piss on conservatives and traditionalists and people who believe in God. So instead of becoming a hippie and joining the liberal bandwagon, I decide to give a crap about my country. So it's not about picking sides and rallying for a party, it's about caring about yourself, others and your country.

I'm a citizen of the city states that can indulge my bohemian tastes. The only politics that interest me are local ones.

The right, culturally speaking, is more accurate about how to deal with Islamists and fascistic religious regimes. And also about understanding the threat of Putin's Russia. But they're completely baths!t about how to do things or what's important. They're not interested in how the Israeli Kidon operates. They'd rather see the fireworks of American military technology and cinematic supremacy. It's good business too. And let's face it. That's pretty much one of the only businesses we still, for now, dominate--death machinery.

I care about others. Even the ones you don't--the freaks, the gays, transgendered, the godless, the sinners, etc. But you're right anyone who pisses on them can have mine in their faces.

I'll agree to join forces with you if it ever comes to Islamofascist rule. Which...yeah right....not in this bible thumping republic. That's Western Europe's problem. Until then we'll just have to agree to love completely separate countries like we do now.
 
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Do you think ISIS would be there in we left Saddam Hussein alone? Like I said I hate both parties are ****ty, but I like to approach these issue analytically since I voted for (2012) and against (2008) Obama... The national debt is high because we had a recession, two wars, tax cuts, new department such as Homeland Security (what the heck is that)... Anyway, both parties are suck on deficit.
It's funny that people take a critique of a president as an automatic endorsement of his predecessor. I absolutely believe that President Bush was as bad or worse than President Obama, and I'm a pretty staunch Republican. However, that's not going to stop my criticism of Obama's failures. Yes, ISIS wouldn't likely exist if Saddam Hussein was still in power. Who knows what the hell else would be going on in that country, however. The guy was basically a modern reincarnation of Joseph Stalin; his existence was an affront to humanity. Perhaps we should have just dropped a few cruise missiles on his head and called it a day. In any case, the decision to invade Iraq was the largest American foreign policy disaster since perhaps Vietnam, and we'll be paying for it for some time. Perhaps even Bush himself would agree with that.

As a person that was in the middle east at the time, I can tell you that ISIS's success and even existence is a direct result of American foreign policy decisions. Namely, we both chose to leave Iraq with zero American military support, and allowed the civil war in Syria to fester (and even supported it!). It was the equivalent of sticking an immunocompromised patient in the same room as a guy with Ebola.

Also, tax cuts don't cause deficits. Spending more than you're taking in causes deficits. Since the media is largely controlled by democrat-sympathizers, we've largely decided to stop talking about the national debt. This is a massive mistake. Our spending on debt interest alone is now the second largest single expense in the US federal budget, and that's with record-low interest rates! If we don't start putting the debt on a downward trend sometime in the near future, we're going to face very tough times ahead.

Probably the only way to actually solve the budget crisis is to pass a balanced budget amendment, with an exception for times of recession or declared war. Politicians simply think too short term. The debt isn't Obama's problem, because he won't be around when it becomes a crisis. Yet, he'll enjoy the GDP and popularity boosts that the lavish spending provides.
 
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"This is the greatest country in the world." If a king has to keep saying he is king, that actually calls his claim into question rather than supporting it.

"We watch ISIS decapitate all its prisoners." And we watch an American murder women and children in movies then award that murderer with a holiday in his honor. This literally made me so sad that I just gave up and laughed. How much more twisted could you make a story? Don't get me wrong, ISIS are a bunch of scumbags who believe in magic and violently forcing their will on others, but that is what they share in common with the US government (and every other government) and those who support it.

"Russia try to recreate the Soviet Union" Has nothing to do with the US. The domino-effect has been demonstrated as false. 1 more or less 'red' state makes little difference.

"Hamas try to wipe Israel off the face of the Earth." Has nothing to do with the US.

"And while all that is happening, we have a compulsive liar in the White House who sits on his pansy-ass." True, but unchanged for the last 200 years. Bullies are always cowards at heart.

"People don't have pride in this country anymore." I think plenty of people have pride in the citizenry of the country. They're just tired of the state. Aren't you?

"All you here is anti-American and anti-capitalist propaganda on the news." The anti-capitalist thing, yes. That's because a lot of the younger generation are growing up to 'fight for the 99%' or whatever BS fad is going on. As far as anti-American, are you kidding? We literally have propaganda thrown at us 24/7 on the news.
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(not to say the BBC is any less of a propaganda machine)

"People piss on conservatives and traditionalists and people who believe in God." This is hilarious to watch from the window. You're both pissing on each other and complaining about being pissed on. Honestly, I think you and your opponents both deserve it.

"it's not about picking sides and rallying for a party" Okay, Mr. RJGOP. It definitely sounds like you won't follow either party blindly. You sound like the topics you care about are uniquely your own, as are the positions on them that you've come to via lots of critical thinking. You don't seem like every Republican over the age of 40 I've ever met. Totally not about parties. You've got me there! Point taken!


Watching people look to the D's, R's, or whatever letter to fight for scraps is pathetic. It's like watching a kid between two bullies who are passing his lunch money back and forth above his head. 'Just jump a little higher and we'll give you free college, expanded military, social reform of your particular preference, retirement plans, you name it! ... Come on! Jump!!' Some day you'll realize that it was already gone the moment you voted for them.

They're going to keep taking your money, selling your children off via debt, give you 0 in return, and there's nothing you or I can do about it. You will never get back what was taken from you. If you spend any more of your time thinking about those bullies, they're effectively just taking that from you, too. All you can keep is your pride. You have as much in common with Republicans in the house/senate as a gazelle does with a lion.

So what do you do when you're that kid? Have some pride, give them the finger, and walk away.
 
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Once entitlement programs are passed, they are almost never rescinded. I also don't believe a Republican will get the Presidency in 2016. It will be Hillary Clinton.


Hey derm, you don't have to pretend to e a girl btw, I told everybody you were coming back yesterday.
 
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